A Mark In Time
Previous Tours => 2013 Privateering World Tour => Topic started by: mishalgunner on April 10, 2013, 10:23:08 PM
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Hey Guys
Travelling to London to see the shows at RAH - quite excited.
I'm going over 2 nights, and my friends have been kind enough to get me the following seats:
First Time
Stall O - Seats 109 and 100 the literal last seats (I'm scared they'll be behind the stage)
Second Time
Stall M2 Seats 90-92
The advantage is both nights are first row seats, but I've never been to RAH - just seen theatremonkey and the like -
Any ideas on whether I should be happy or sad with these seats? Can't wait!
I got tickets
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I've been there only once, but after all I know and have heard, there are hardly any bad places in the RAH, apart from the middle and last rows in the arena itself. Stall seats are all ok, I don't think with O and M you are behind the stage.
Enjoy your time at the Albert!
LE
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O and M in the stalls are both great seats. I've sat in both myself in the past - they have swivel seats and a great view, probably better than my arena seats this year (my first time in the arena).
The only ones behind the stage are the chorus sections which I have sat in once. An unusual perspective looking over Guys shoulder all night but although not too bad to experience once I wouldn't really want to do it again unless it was all that was left. It was surprising how often Mark turned around though!
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Actually there are some seats in the stalls where you are quite behind the band...
The stalls that are more close to the stage have a lateral view to the musicians, actually in that part you see the back of MK more than MK himself, and in some of them you see the back of Guy too...
(http://s2.subirimagenes.com/privadas/previo/thump_2047947stalls.jpg)
Use your imagination and draw a line from the stage to the stalls... There are many seats at the stalls that are behind the stage line, and all that stalls have a lateral or back view of the musicians.
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Just a question for you guys that know the RAH . I have seats at the Arena A 3 row , 12,13 are they good? Should I feel lucky ? :think
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Just a question for you guys that know the RAH . I have seats at the Arena A 3 row , 12,13 are they good? Should I feel lucky ? :think
Look very good on the plan I have. :thumbsup
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In the arena you are lucky if you have the firsts rows or your seat is at the edges, as the seat in front of you is not exactly in front of you, so you have a good view. In the firsts rows in the middle even you have some heads in front of you, the view is good, but if you are in the middle or at the end of that seats, you will have many heads and a bad view like this
http://www.flickr.com/photos/atmilinko/5750331577/in/set-72157626662119809# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/atmilinko/5750331577/in/set-72157626662119809#)
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Here is a link to the seating plan of the RAH:
http://www.google.nl/imgres?imgurl=http://www.royalalberthall.com/uploadedImages/Plan_Your_Visit/assets/sp_gallery%281%29.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.royalalberthall.com/visit/seating-plan/default.aspx&h=455&w=568&sz=44&tbnid=XQoPngroiNjRpM:&tbnh=91&tbnw=113&zoom=1&usg=__yT9fYR5zMe6xFySHFBNPC0WW3Bk=&docid=3rMcs6A_OAVbOM&sa=X&ei=NKtmUd2aFcrX0QX_3oDQAQ&ved=0CDwQ9QEwAA&dur=788
The second picture is clear! :lol
Mishalgunner and CarrionSpy, I see that you both have nice seats! LOL
Fieneke
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Here's a question then: if MK.com pre-sale want's to promote priority seating and have the best seats then why does it offer the arena section at all when most of them have a restricted/poor view? Surely it should offer seats in the stalls sections that are nearest the stage O, M, G and H - these are great seats.
I'm beginning to regret ordering through MK.com yet again because on the first night I'm a number of rows back and I could have had a stalls seat easily, where I've been before, knowing what the view was like. :smack
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@ dmg - I believe the seats I have on the first night are the ones you will have on the second night - Arena F, Row 3, seats 27, 28! :)
I would have chosen stalls seats, but I wanted to be able to get to the stage quickly for the encores with other fans I know! ;)
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@ dmg - I believe the seats I have on the first night are the ones you will have on the second night - Arena F, Row 3, seats 27, 28! :)
I would have chosen stalls seats, but I wanted to be able to get to the stage quickly for the encores with other fans I know! ;)
My reasoning for choosing arena seats this time too! Keep the seat warm! ;)
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Thanks guys!!
What amazing responses - I'm feeling alot better now, because the drips of info you get on the net just make one more nervous.
I've been a Mark devotee since I heard "Sailing..." when I was 15, and he's been my favorite musician since then. I'm turning 30 in May, so thought the best way to celebrate would be to take my wife (hostage), go to London (my favorite city) and watch the best musician.
I'm confirmed for 2 nights, but like a maniac, I'm thinking of a third night. I hope he varies the playlist - what do you guys think?
First Time
Stall O - Seats 109 and 100 the literal last seats (I'm scared they'll be behind the stage)
Second Time
Stall M2 Seats 90-92
So my seats look good - here's to hoping and praying! There's no place to see Mark like the RAH I suppose...
So do you guys think he'll mix it up, or go straight missionary?
Thanks!!!!!!
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He won't change the set list at the RAH. Maybe he has one song in the set (after Sultans, before Marbletown) that he changes. The set list will be pretty static from the very first show on, I fear. I cannot believe he makes all these show available from show one on and really gives us the opportunity to collect a lot of different songs.
So the question will be, like i 2010: Will it be Monteleone or Get Lucky? Or none of them? Will it be Cleaning My Gun or Why Aye Man? And that's it.
Sorry if this is not the answer you want to hear. ::) But I guess that's the way it is with Mark. You have to be aware of it when going to his shows. You
will never have such thing as spontaneity or surprises. But you will get a very high level of musicianship throughout the complete tour from him and his band. That's not too bad either.
LE
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@Love Expresso
Fair enough, and thanks for the long response :-)
It makes sense, and at the end of the day, I'm going for the high level of musicianship as you said!
I've never been to see him live before, so I'm extremely excited - How long does he usually play for, and does he do a mix of songs from his albums, or is it more biased towards his newest album at the time?
Thanks...
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About 2 hours concert. Some DS and from soloalbums As well
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About 2 hours concert. Some DS and from soloalbums As well
Loto numbers, please!! ;D
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Would it be fair to assume that once the tour starts, the setlist will be more or less (+/- a song) the same, including RAH?
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Would it be fair to assume that once the tour starts, the setlist will be more or less (+/- a song) the same, including RAH?
Very fair !
There won't be 6 different setlists because of 6 shows. Six times the same +/- 1 song. ;D
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Would it be fair to assume that once the tour starts, the setlist will be more or less (+/- a song) the same, including RAH?
MK has played the RAH many times during 4, 5 or 6 dates, and the setlist has been the same always, maybe in one or two concerts he change just one song, or if he has any guest as in 2008 that Joe Brown played with him, it can have two different songs due the special guest, but normally, it will be the same set.
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I had hoped, following his tours with Mr Bob, that a bit of Mr Bob might rub off on MK and that MK might vary the playlist a bit. We shall see.
As it happens, it seems to have worked the other way round. On Mr Bob's latest tour, playlist variation has been more limited than for many years. It may be because there's a new guitarist in the band and he's working his way in, however.
Surely MK knows that a lot of you folk will be attending several RAH shows. He will play what he wants to play (and that's the way it should be) but changing a few songs each night would be a nice acknowledgment of his solid fan base.
I was only reading this week of a musician (not the headliner) complaining about an old tour he was on - about having to play the same songs in the same way, night after night. It's all well and good getting it just right on the night but the lack of genuine spontaneity must surely become a drag. The predictability of it must be deadening.
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I had hoped, following his tours with Mr Bob, that a bit of Mr Bob might rub off on MK and that MK might vary the playlist a bit. We shall see.
As it happens, it seems to have worked the other way round. On Mr Bob's latest tour, playlist variation has been more limited than for many years. It may be because there's a new guitarist in the band and he's working his way in, however.
Yes, it's quite ironic that Bob seems to be emulating MK in that respect, butI can see that Bob could be giving Duke some time to become accustomed to Bob's songs. However, MK was pretty well thrown in at the deep end, with barely any time to rehearse, or even to know which songs were to be played, hours before the concert. To me, he still sounds a lot better than Duke does on, for instance, "Beyond Here Lies Nothing", "Things Have Changed", "Tangled" and "Blind Willie". On the Amherst recording I thought Duke's renditions were very dull in comparison to Mark's.
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I tend to agree twm and think that the early concerts of the OES tour were a good compromise for MK in terms of set versus performance.
The set was varied, we got some great rare tracks played and now we crave bootlegs from this period. However, in the 2nd European leg the set was mostly the same night after night. This led to perfect performances too, which is no doubt why the OTN album was recorded then and not early on.
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Apologies for one more RAH seating question. Since this is my first time there, which are better seats - Arena B, Row 17 (middle of row) or Stalls M.2.91-92? Rushing the stage for encores is not meaningful for me as we don't do this is the US so that is not a factor (probably couldn't get out to rush anyway since the Arena seats are in the middle of the row). Since this is our first RAH concert, I want it to be a good experience for us. However, looking at the back of someone's head the entire concert sounds grim to me so I am leaning toward the Stalls seats. Am I right?
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what would happen if those in the arena decide to stand for the whole show.
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what would happen if those in the arena decide to stand for the whole show.
I would love that ;-) It doesn't happen, people go standing at the encores. Same as earlier years
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what would happen if those in the arena decide to stand for the whole show.
The security will go and make seat everyone.
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what would happen if those in the arena decide to stand for the whole show.
No need for the people behind me to stand and spoil my view. ;)
mk.com presale already took care of providing me a poor view thanks to their terrible seat assignments. :thumbsdown
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Apologies for one more RAH seating question. Since this is my first time there, which are better seats - Arena B, Row 17 (middle of row) or Stalls M.2.91-92? Rushing the stage for encores is not meaningful for me as we don't do this is the US so that is not a factor (probably couldn't get out to rush anyway since the Arena seats are in the middle of the row). Since this is our first RAH concert, I want it to be a good experience for us. However, looking at the back of someone's head the entire concert sounds grim to me so I am leaning toward the Stalls seats. Am I right?
Apart the fact that that mean no running to the front at the end, Stall is preferable to Arena if not in the first 3 rows.
I did over 20 shows at the RAH and experieced circle (no more), 2d tiers box (beware front ones are horrible souding, middle of the house are ok), stalls (always ok, Arena B (not the best one and too far for the run) and A (holly grail to run front of stage at the end but otherwise risky for the view during the seated part if far than third row).
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Thanks everyone for your input. Stalls it is.
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Agreed
Thanks for everyones input!
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To Superval and twm's comment, if your SETLIST is as strong as bob's was in Amherst, I wouldn't want it changed.And yes I was not too convinced about duke's playing either, but he sounds like a keeper.
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Got to be honest this will be my first ever visit to the RAH after years of seeing MK and DS an the NEC Birmingham. Ordered my seats through MK.com as i have done previously and have to say i'm a little disappointed to be allocated Arena B Row 11. Wasn't honestly expecting front row seats but row 11 seems a little far back for a pre-sale ticket. Was lucky enough to be front row almost dead centre at the NEC on a previous tour when also booking tickets through pre-sale. Doesn't appear that the fan club pre-sale has done us any favours this year. I know i will still enjoy listening to MK in the RAH as opposed to many of the cavernous soulless venues i have seen him in previously,but just wish i was a little closer. :)
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Got to be honest this will be my first ever visit to the RAH after years of seeing MK and DS an the NEC Birmingham. Ordered my seats through MK.com as i have done previously and have to say i'm a little disappointed to be allocated Arena B Row 11. Wasn't honestly expecting front row seats but row 11 seems a little far back for a pre-sale ticket. Was lucky enough to be front row almost dead centre at the NEC on a previous tour when also booking tickets through pre-sale. Doesn't appear that the fan club pre-sale has done us any favours this year. I know i will still enjoy listening to MK in the RAH as opposed to many of the cavernous soulless venues i have seen him in previously,but just wish i was a little closer. :)
I must second that. Pre-sales are great for most fans, pre-sales are wonderful for ticket scalpers (why did mk.com raise the max ticket order to 8 tickets if not to please them ? :thumbsdown ). Pre-sales are a trap for the remaining 1 or 2 %.
In 5 years, I've never been assigned closer than a 4th row, no matter how fast I order.
I've come to the conclusion that there's something wrong with mk.com presales, especially for those who don't order multiple seats : sent back when needed... :clap
I think MK & PCM should reward our loyalty from time to time. :think
Listen, last Thursday we received our seat assignment for Zurich. I got 4th row, not bad but a bit disappointing for a late announced and expensive show.
I mean I don't think the demand was so high since most people were set and they would think twice before adding an extra 140
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I'm very pleased with the pre-sales! For the 2010 tour I was allocated front row centre seats for four concerts and the same for this tour, plus one show, second row centre, so I'm very happy with MK.com. I must be very fast on the button! ;D
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I'm very pleased with the pre-sales! For the 2010 tour I was allocated front row centre seats for four concerts and the same for this tour, plus one show, second row centre, so I'm very happy with MK.com. I must be very fast on the button! ;D
I've come to the conclusion that one's "speed on the button" is irrelevant. I am always waiting, poised, clicking refresh at the point the tickets go on sale and I have seldom got a good seat. I'm pretty sure it's just down to luck (the seats are allocated later) and if it is, then I'm out of the running! ::)
At the very least they should be able to let you know what seat you will be sitting in before you buy. Now we have to take the chance because all the seats in the prime area are bought up by MK.com and we don't know what seats we're buying!
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I'm very pleased with the pre-sales! For the 2010 tour I was allocated front row centre seats for four concerts and the same for this tour, plus one show, second row centre, so I'm very happy with MK.com. I must be very fast on the button! ;D
You have magic fingers ! ;D As said most fans and many AMITers get great seats and there's no need to say I very happy for them and for you, especially this year. :wave
I've come to the conclusion that one's "speed on the button" is irrelevant. I am always waiting, poised, clicking refresh at the point the tickets go on sale and I have seldom got a good seat. I'm pretty sure it's just down to luck (the seats are allocated later) and if it is, then I'm out of the running! ::)
At the very least they should be able to let you know what seat you will be sitting in before you buy. Now we have to take the chance because all the seats in the prime area are bought up by MK.com and we don't know what seats we're buying!
Speed on the button is just a necessary but not sufficient condition. It's pretty obvious that they divide in at least two groups of priority (I have good reasons to think it could be linked to the number of seats oredered or your history).
If you're blacklisted there's nothing to do- Sometimes it will be ok, sometimes awful, never great.
It's like Champion's League quarter-final or semi-final draw, you think it's fair, but you only see what you want to see.
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It's pretty obvious that they divide in at least two groups of priority (I have good reasons to think it could be linked to the number of seats oredered or your history).
Actually, I am wondering about this myself.. I bought two tix for Carcassonne, and got 2nd row center (behind Val :).
For Zurich, I bought 1 ticket only, and got 4th row.
Originally, I thought I might get a better assignment with one seat, but now I believe that the seating arrangement logic does not favor single ticket purchasers. :(
Bummer!!
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I'm very pleased with the pre-sales! For the 2010 tour I was allocated front row centre seats for four concerts and the same for this tour, plus one show, second row centre, so I'm very happy with MK.com. I must be very fast on the button! ;D
You have magic fingers ! ;D As said most fans and many AMITers get great seats and there's no need to say I very happy for them and for you, especially this year. :wave
I've come to the conclusion that one's "speed on the button" is irrelevant. I am always waiting, poised, clicking refresh at the point the tickets go on sale and I have seldom got a good seat. I'm pretty sure it's just down to luck (the seats are allocated later) and if it is, then I'm out of the running! ::)
At the very least they should be able to let you know what seat you will be sitting in before you buy. Now we have to take the chance because all the seats in the prime area are bought up by MK.com and we don't know what seats we're buying!
Speed on the button is just a necessary but not sufficient condition. It's pretty obvious that they divide in at least two groups of priority (I have good reasons to think it could be linked to the number of seats oredered or your history).
If you're blacklisted there's nothing to do- Sometimes it will be ok, sometimes awful, never great.
It's like Champion's League quarter-final or semi-final draw, you think it's fair, but you only see what you want to see.
Well, if true that's just a sad state of affairs, isn't it? Speaking as someone who received seats in Row 17 at RAH, I guess I know where I stand in the MK pecking order. :'( My only alternative was to additionally buy decent tickets from another source if I wanted to enjoy the show. I wonder if Mark is personally aware of this selectiveness and if it would bother him if he knew.
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Row 17 sounds strange. Wasn't there a garantuee for pre-orders within the first 15 rows or something?
I ordered one single RAH ticket and got the best seat in the house. So the theory about single ordering is not 100 % sure. My confirmation mail had the same minute as the start from the pre-order (so I remember start at 10:00h, my mail was from 10:00, and not 10:01 or something...). So I was pretty fast. Plus I had ordered several times before via MK.com. Now you can make up your own theories... ;D
LE
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Mrs twm also got the 17th row in the Arena for one of her RAH concerts and was not (and still is not) happy at all. The bonzos in Toronto seem to regard a seat in the 17th row at RAH as a "good" seat. It is not!
Given that, under their system, you have to turn up on the night to collect these tickets, options are limited. I suppose you can just give up on the tickets supplied by the bonzos and double your ticket costs by buying better tickets "elsewhere". I suspect few AMIT-ers will do that.
Does MK care about this? Discuss.
These days, I see no evidence that he does.
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Row 17 sounds strange. Wasn't there a garantuee for pre-orders within the first 15 rows or something?
I ordered one single RAH ticket and got the best seat in the house. So the theory about single ordering is not 100 % sure. My confirmation mail had the same minute as the start from the pre-order (so I remember start at 10:00h, my mail was from 10:00, and not 10:01 or something...). So I was pretty fast. Plus I had ordered several times before via MK.com. Now you can make up your own theories... ;D
LE
Let me tell you a story. In 2010, I ordered a single ticket for Montreux, confirmation email dated xx:00:49.
I was assigned row 4 seat 16. I've never felt comfortable with that assignment. It was the most expensive show of the tour, one of the last announced.
I don't think they sold ca. 70 tickets before my order.
By chance, a friend of mine also ordered much later than me and got an equivalent seat, then I knew ...
I emailed PCM and asked for a confirmation. They confirmed my seat...
When I picked up my ticket at the box office it was a dead centre row 1 (in fact 2nd row).
I have no idea what happened but for sure they lie and they play games.
That day I had a good surprise but I can't trust them anymore.
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mk.com sells 6-21 rows because they know they've set up a super efficient trap.
Who would buy that kind of seats in pre-sale without the hope of getting a closer seat ?
It makes no sense to oblige us to go to the black market.
I may be wrong but I believe they don't mail tickets not to encourage ticket scalping.
These people should wake up and see the real life
They want our money, nothing else.
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I know why they make MK.com people pick up their tickets on the night (to keep them out of the hands of tickets touts - or scalpers) but,yes, the result is a trap for fans of good standing.
1. You pay for the tickets blind, as you have no idea which tickets you're getting. In the normal course of events, I would never buy a ticket without knowing in advance where I would be sitting. A friend of mine, in the States, has just paid out what I regard as a small fortune for a Stones ticket but at least he knew exactly what seats he'll be getting at the time he paid for them. Not knowing what you're paying for is, in my view, tantamount to fraud.
2. MK.com maintains we're getting the "best" tickets, which is sometimes true but sometimes not - and they do not differentiate.
3. Moreover, we know that the system doesn't work fairly. You'd think it would be "first come, first served" but I have severe doubts about that.
4. You'd think that, if you're getting great seats one night, you'd get less good seats another night but I've seen people who appear to get great seats every night. That cannot be down to the luck of the draw.
4. I am not aware of any arrangement whereby, once the bonzos in Toronto eventually tell you which seats you'll be getting, you can refuse them and get a refund (preferably a full reefund but at least a refund less a small administration charge)
I accept that, in terms of seat allocation, you cannot please all the people all of the time but I find it difficult to believe that the system could not be operated in a more fan-friendly way. MK himself maintains a high moral stance on issues (such as his principled refusal to play Russia this year) but I wish he would take a similar stance on such matters as the treatment of his fans. It seems to me, as an outsider really, that PCM have a disregard for long-standing fans that does not serve MK well.
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The system can be done better but maybe its more expensive for PCM and MK.com...
Before the presales from the site, I recall that the presales were done by Ticketmaster directly, the official site provided us with a presale code that allows us to get to ticketmaster presale and wonder what... you were able to choose your seats as ticketmaster presented you a map with sections and seats, with different colours if that seats were available when you entered or were already in someone basket or already sold, so you can you choose the better seat as possible.
The bad thing with the actual system is that if you order 5 tickets, they allocate you where they have 5 consecutive tickets, its doesnt matter if you do it before or later, so sometimes you are allocated in better or worst position depending what you ordered.
An example, if the first row have 20 seats and already 16 of them has been assigned, if you ordered 5, you will be in row 2, and the other remaing seats in first row will be assigned to someone that wants 4, or two etc etc
I think that they might puzzle with the seats and petitions so sometimes one that has ordered before another could get worst seats depending on how his order fit in the puzzle.
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They should give us a choice whether we want the seats they have allocated or not or at least give us an indication that we are not going to be in the front 6 rows and then we can decide.
This is the second time i have used MK.com and the second time i feel shafted.
There are hundreds of seats for all the shows on getmein so whether the arena seats are scalped or not makes very little difference as so many of the other seats are being scalped anyway.
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I know why they make MK.com people pick up their tickets on the night (to keep them out of the hands of tickets touts - or scalpers) but,yes, the result is a trap for fans of good standing.
1. You pay for the tickets blind, as you have no idea which tickets you're getting. In the normal course of events, I would never buy a ticket without knowing in advance where I would be sitting. A friend of mine, in the States, has just paid out what I regard as a small fortune for a Stones ticket but at least he knew exactly what seats he'll be getting at the time he paid for them. Not knowing what you're paying for is, in my view, tantamount to fraud.
2. MK.com maintains we're getting the "best" tickets, which is sometimes true but sometimes not - and they do not differentiate.
3. Moreover, we know that the system doesn't work fairly. You'd think it would be "first come, first served" but I have severe doubts about that.
4. You'd think that, if you're getting great seats one night, you'd get less good seats another night but I've seen people who appear to get great seats every night. That cannot be down to the luck of the draw.
4. I am not aware of any arrangement whereby, once the bonzos in Toronto eventually tell you which seats you'll be getting, you can refuse them and get a refund (preferably a full reefund but at least a refund less a small administration charge)
I accept that, in terms of seat allocation, you cannot please all the people all of the time but I find it difficult to believe that the system could not be operated in a more fan-friendly way. MK himself maintains a high moral stance on issues (such as his principled refusal to play Russia this year) but I wish he would take a similar stance on such matters as the treatment of his fans. It seems to me, as an outsider really, that PCM have a disregard for long-standing fans that does not serve MK well.
I agree with what you say twm, but most especially with point number 1. :clap
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Now too many people are aware of that and Arena is a very limited seat capacity. And everybody wants the same seats.
Look how fast RAH show peresale have been sold out this time.
But without Mk.com I would never had the opportunity to get Arean A Row 1 ticket at face value in 2008 and 2010.
It is not perfect for everybody but so far I fear no better solution.
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MK has no regards for his fans anymore for the last few years. Guy once answered to a question about it "why should he?" and I am pretty sure when I read that, something broke in my relationship to him ... :think so to say... He OWES them his lifestlye and the big houses and the many cars and motorbikes and his studio, so yes, I really THINK when touring he should give them something back.. many other artists do... He says he wants to have fun on stage, his very own fun, alone, and when he and his band have fun, this fun will fly over to the fans and will give them a good night. That is ONE point of view.
I know there will be coming up all these stories about having him signed this and that from out of the car and so on, but when did he really do that the last time? The standards of his touring are getting higher and higher, plane, big cars, best hotels, stuff, so why is it more difficult than 20 years ago to let the Limo stop and sign some stuff that very true fans give him? If there was a guitar made with my name on it, and there would be standing someone in the rain with this guitar, I WOULD sign it - with a bad conscience....
But enough, not that I want to bash MK or something...
LE
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MK has no regards for his fans anymore for the last few years. Guy once answered to a question about it "why should he?" and I am pretty sure when I read that, something broke in my relationship to him ... :think so to say... He OWES them his lifestlye and the big houses and the many cars and motorbikes and his studio, so yes, I really THINK when touring he should give them something back.. many other artists do... He says he wants to have fun on stage, his very own fun, alone, and when he and his band have fun, this fun will fly over to the fans and will give them a good night. That is ONE point of view.
I know there will be coming up all these stories about having him signed this and that from out of the car and so on, but when did he really do that the last time? The standards of his touring are getting higher and higher, plane, big cars, best hotels, stuff, so why is it more difficult than 20 years ago to let the Limo stop and sign some stuff that very true fans give him? If there was a guitar made with my name on it, and there would be standing someone in the rain with this guitar, I WOULD sign it - with a bad conscience....
But enough, not that I want to bash MK or something...
LE
Right, something has changed after 1996 or 2001.
But back to basis we pay to hear him to play some music, we have what we pay for. Have we other rights than that?
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You are right, of course not. But with SUCH a big catalogue and so many really great songs, it is just unbelievable to really hear him telling this Shakespeare Swing at Macbeth Story and then play... Done With Bonaparte or Romeo and Juliet... you get my point. The night at Boothbay seemed to be real fun. Something like that ("...another first") every night... why not say, this and this set list, but the last two songs vary and I will take some experiment, something I rarely or never play... (Lions! YEAH!) So every time the same sh... is just boring. Things got worse when I began to play seated shows.. That is an important factor, too me thinks..
LE
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Now too many people are aware of that and Arena is a very limited seat capacity. And everybody wants the same seats.
Look how fast RAH show peresale have been sold out this time.
Thats not entirily true...
I mean, the seating capacity is limted but this time the Royal Albert Hall divided all their sections between several sellers, MK.com had just some arena rows, and at least 6 different sellers, including the own RAH sold tickets, each seller had different tickets.
I tried all the sellers and I found that one of the sellers had already sold the stalls I was looking for, and I had to purchase in other different seller other stalls.
How I know this? I e-mailed the RAH and they told me exactly which sellers had tickets.
So, MK.com wasn
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Of course the music is worth any price but PCM and MK have no right to lie and spoil us.
Apart from the presale, and recording policy, and a few other things, what really sticks in my throat is the Privateering box set with the FULL downloadable concert...
I don't f***ing care if it's MK himself who decided to remove TR. It is a fraudulent advertising but it's their mentality.
Then I'm not surprised to see their presales are not reliable as well.
Of course when we order the only guarantee is a range of seats.
We know what we buy and we take a reasonable risk assuming the rule is first in, first served.
That's what they say but if you have the feeling it's not true, your only goal is to make them pay sooner or later. :think
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So MK.com is just one of several pre-sales or, at least, offers no better seats than are available from other sellers. The essential question, however, is this: do these other sellers let you know which seats you're getting at the time of purchase.
If the answer is "yes", then MK.com offer a lesser service than the other sellers - not a better service.
If MK.com presents their ticket service as something special when others offer the same or better, then it is, as I said before, "tantamount to fraud". It is certainly misrepresentation.
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To my known MK.com had still in 2010 the front arena seat allocation.
Of course the promoter can reserve some of the seats.
I remember that one night at the RAH obiviously the first row had not been sold to the usual MK fans. Because at the the time of running to the very front of stage after TR, the then still seated first row was quite old and did not understant that this running was sort of the tradition and angrily treated us like very bad behavers.
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To my known MK.com had still in 2010 the front arena seat allocation.
Of course the promoter can reserve some of the seats.
I remember that one night at the RAH obiviously the first row had not been sold to the usual MK fans. Because at the the time of running to the very front of stage after TR, the then still seated first row was quite old and did not understant that this running was sort of the tradition and angrily treated us like very bad behavers.
I remember one of the nights, the first rows were reserved for family and friends of the band. Maybe it was this one? :think
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So MK.com is just one of several pre-sales or, at least, offers no better seats than are available from other sellers. The essential question, however, is this: do these other sellers let you know which seats you're getting at the time of purchase.
If the answer is "yes", then MK.com offer a lesser service than the other sellers - not a better service.
If MK.com presents their ticket service as something special when others offer the same or better, then it is, as I said before, "tantamount to fraud". It is certainly misrepresentation.
Without any discussion MK.com offers the best seats in most venues, including RAH.
Front row, you can't beat that.
The issue is really the advertising and the seat assignment process.
If you announce a pre-sale for rows 1-21, the customer inevitably thinks the 21 rows are available, even more because it's a PRE-sale.
If there is a partial availability or any hidden seat assignment rule that may ruin your chances, they must elaborate.
The 4-6 week delay between order and seat assignment is really too suspicious.
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So MK.com is just one of several pre-sales or, at least, offers no better seats than are available from other sellers. The essential question, however, is this: do these other sellers let you know which seats you're getting at the time of purchase.
If the answer is "yes", then MK.com offer a lesser service than the other sellers - not a better service.
If MK.com presents their ticket service as something special when others offer the same or better, then it is, as I said before, "tantamount to fraud". It is certainly misrepresentation.
Without any discussion MK.com offers the best seats in most venues, including RAH.
Front row, you can't beat that.
The issue is really the advertising and the seat assignment process.
If you announce a pre-sale for rows 1-21, the customer inevitably thinks the 21 rows are available, even more because it's a PRE-sale.
If there is a partial availability or any hidden seat assignment rule that may ruin your chances, they must elaborate.
The 4-6 week delay between order and seat assignment is really too suspicious.
Exactly, they dont sell the full 1-21 seats, only some of them. I rather have rows 1-10 but all the seats.
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Front row isn't always that great if you are along the very end of the row. Depending on the venue you may be better being 10-15 rows back. I had a loudspeaker in front of me all night at the SECC in 2010 and Lucca 2010 wasn't much better (both front row, at the end).
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Front row isn't always that great if you are along the very end of the row. Depending on the venue you may be better being 10-15 rows back. I had a loudspeaker in front of me all night at the SECC in 2010 and Lucca 2010 wasn't much better (both front row, at the end).
These Canadian guys think that end of row 21 (or row 10, 15,.. )Arena is one of the best seats of the venue.
I doubt they would understand any complaint about front row ;)
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Front row isn't always that great if you are along the very end of the row. Depending on the venue you may be better being 10-15 rows back. I had a loudspeaker in front of me all night at the SECC in 2010 and Lucca 2010 wasn't much better (both front row, at the end).
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These Canadian guys think that end of row 21 (or row 10, 15,.. )Arena is one of the best seats of the venue.
I doubt they would understand any complaint about front row ;)
Yeah. I even got a row from security on both nights for rushing the stage for the encores! :disbelief
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The issue is really the advertising and the seat assignment process.
Yes I had same problem with RW presale or with the Rolling Stones fan club.
But I am still not convinced that with a "picking" system I could have managed to get row one at RAH and elsewhere but it would be a great improvement to be able to see instantly what seat are allocated, and subsequently to be able to reject them (at your own risk...).
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The issue is really the advertising and the seat assignment process.
Yes I had same problem with RW presale or with the Rolling Stones fan club.
But I am still not convinced that with a "picking" system I could have managed to get row one at RAH and elsewhere but it would be a great improvement to be able to see instantly what seat are allocated, and subsequently to be able to reject them (at your own risk...).
You're absolutely right : forget row one without mk.com.
But if you're not one of the happy few, mk.com is just one of the worst ticket providers, if not the worst.
As of today I have 13 tickets for the tour and the poorest service is clearly mk.com :-[
Even for a General admission ticket, they don't give us a priority queue (according to our Toronto fellows).
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Could anyone advise when the MK.com presale tickets are available for pick-up? The confirmation email says "on the day of the show", and the box-office is open since 9 a.m., does that mean that I will be able to collect the ticket at 9 a.m? Does anybody know?
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You will get another confirmation/information mail from mk.com shortly before the show. There you will find all details to pick up the tickets. It's quite easy.
LE
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Thank you! I thought I'd get it, but it's important to know the opening time as earlier as possible, so I decided to ask here. Ok, will be waiting for the info...
The point is that I won't be able to attend the show on 28th of May, as I am leaving London at 10-46 from Victoria station. If I could collect the ticket from 9 to 10 a.m., it might be possible to sell it... Otherwise I will have it intact and it's pretty sad...
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What seats?
LE
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Arena F, row 7, seat 32
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Thanks!
I have my only London show on Monday but was thinking about doing another. So maybe I would be a candidate for you ticket if you are willing to sell it. I would be at the Hall whenever you wish.
I have to think about it, though. Haven't booked a flight yet but I am about to do it this week. One more day and one more show would be nice...
If you have any questions or suggestions or whatever, feel free to pm me! :wave
LE
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I hope actual collecting time will not be that late as for example in Lisbon 2010 (2 hours before the show)... I can change my departure time, but it cannot be later than 2-3 p.m.... Will try to ask mk.com now, probably they have any idea about the time already. Thanks for your attention LE, will keep you informed.
Update: MK.com people have just replied. They are expecting pick up time info confirmed within the week.