A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Almost Straits => Topic started by: Jarle on May 04, 2013, 05:17:01 PM
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I see that The Straits' webpage is under construction now, and Allan wrote this message on Facebook yesterday:
Lot's happening with The Straits; all will be revealed soon! AC
What do you think? Will they release an album?
http://www.thestraits.com/
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Straits - For Nothing
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Straits - Faking Movies?
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Gold over Love? :-X
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Not interested, really as simple as that..
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Gold over Love? :-X
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Nice one :thumbsup
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Not interested, really as simple as that..
I'm not interested either, but I like their communique version
This is what I'd like hearing in
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Not interested, really as simple as that..
If I had an euro per every person that said something like that and after see them changed his mind automatically, I
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jbaent, it is not some negative feeling or something, it is simply not mark. i cannot be bothered. too much stuff going on already.
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Maybe they will split up.
LE
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jbaent, it is not some negative feeling or something, it is simply not mark. i cannot be bothered. too much stuff going on already.
Well, Dire Straits were MK group, and without MK it can
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i don't care about the dire straits feeling.
it is over, i am a knopfler man, always was. simple.
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DS without MK is not DS, in my opinion it doesn't even come close
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Yes, that was the same that some of that people said, even some considered that actual MK musicians are the best, after watching The Straits, they changed their mind and would swap some of the Straits members for the MK ones.
I understand that many other people won
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Without Mark, they mean nothing to me, pure and simple!
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Saw the Straits last year around the corner. I really loved it! It's nice they exist as an extra. But anything substitute in any means, no.
Absolutely great performance of DS songs
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I just consider The Straits as a collateral thing around DS, as John Illsley, David Knopfler etc etc, its like an expanded universe in musical terms.
That is well described.
LE
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A comment on Guy's forum:
Last night I've gone to see the concert of
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The exemption that confirm the rule ;D
(literal translation of a spanish expression that means that one negative opinion confirms all the positive ones :lol)
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On The Straits Facebook page:
Performing with Dire Straits accounted for quite a significant portion of my career. I had been working with Mark Knopfler on some film soundtracks and albums he
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Anyone can do anything, but... I hate those posters with DIRE STRAITS written with huge font. I hate those wristbands. I hate REAL Dire Straits photos in 'photography' section on official site. Who cares? It's like I'll post a photo of Earth and write 'This is my photo with Mark Knopfler, now GO TO MY CONCERT!'. I can go on and on.
C'mon, people. If they'd have a non DS related name, if lead singer mimicry was not so obvious and plain, if where was no all this pathetic statements like Alan's (There was a topic on it, lazy to find). If, if, if, if, if, if. So I really angry about The Straits.
In other hand, check out Beatles' tribute band 'Fab Four'. It's really cool. The best tribute-band ever, not the guys who pretend they a Beatls (sic) or something like that. Paul McCartney himself liked this band and was on their concert. It's just matter of promotion, statements and feeling, and for me feeling and atmosphere is very bad. I'll not argue with that, sorry to any real fans.
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Guy relatively clearly explains that - as I have assumed above - it is Mark who obviously doesn
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Foma's post got me thinking (yes, that's what the noise is ;)) regarding The Beatles' tribute band and their name of The Fab Four. Now that is a great name and I think that is important because that name of The Straits has caused a bit of a stir from the very start. I know their marketing has been, shall we say less than great, but had they called themselves maybe Money For Nothing, Brothers In Arms or something similar (I think we already have Brothers In Band) then we would have warmed toward them a little better.
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I never cared for any tribute band. The man who writes it, sings it, and plays his notes, I want to transform his creation into my heart/mind/body. So that is a very personal interpretation. I like to listen to HIM and HIS fingers on HiS guitars, and the songs are what HE creates. Why anyone else should try to re-play them in front of an audience, is over me. I know of course songs are free and music is about interpretation, and I respect that people want to play stuff they admire, but I would never pay anything to go to someone who is not the original. Same goes for any other tribute band, party band, top 40 band etc...
Dire Straits was always Mark (for me), the band members had to do what he wants, that was clear. I hardly listen to Dire Straits stuff.
I know about the discussions, Alan Clark's (arguable) influence on Mark's music and the different opinions, but just wanted to contribute here my personal one.
LE
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I never cared for any tribute band. The man who writes it, sings it, and plays his notes, I want to transform his creation into my heart/mind/body. So that is a very personal interpretation. I like to listen to HIM and HIS fingers on HiS guitars, and the songs are what HE creates. Why anyone else should try to re-play them in front of an audience, is over me. I know of course songs are free and music is about interpretation, and I respect that people want to play stuff they admire, but I would never pay anything to go to someone who is not the original. Same goes for any other tribute band, party band, top 40 band etc...
Dire Straits was always Mark (for me), the band members had to do what he wants, that was clear. I hardly listen to Dire Straits stuff.
I know about the discussions, Alan Clark's (arguable) influence on Mark's music and the different opinions, but just wanted to contribute here my personal one.
LE
Exactly! :thumbsup
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The only acceptable solution would have been Mark to go back with some DS reunion from time to time. Dire Straits had jut become too huge to just say one day : it's forever over. Now many people miss them and the happen what happen when the main man refuse to answer the need.
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The only acceptable solution would have been Mark to go back with some DS reunion from time to time. Dire Strait had jut become too huge to just say one day : it's forever over. Now many people miss them and the happen what happen when the main man refuse to answer the need.
I am sorry, but you must be kidding?! You say all these bizarre happenings are MKs own fault because he refused DS reunion?? I would really re-consider that. If you mean that serious, no words for it...
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To me, the sad thing about it is, that MK and JI are (don't want to say were) quite close friends....
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To me, the sad thing about it is, that MK and JI are (don't want to say were) quite close friends....
That's how I feel too, especially after seeing how close they seemed on Guitar Stories.
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No, guys please don't go down that road. We should not question the ethics, practices or actions of anybody, supposing of how somebody else might be feeling. What if MK was alright with it? And to be perfectly honest, the fact that he has not Openly opposed might mean something more than being civil or keeping face. They are musicians that have devoted almost 20 years (their best) of their lives playing these songs. I bet some of them had small luck with their personal recordings, but due to the plethora of music there is out there, and not the quality. (OK, most of them are not as good as MK's) But they have to earn a living and since there is an audience I see no reason. And I tend to believe that they are good as jbeant says.
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To me, the sad thing about it is, that MK and JI are (don't want to say were) quite close friends....
The fact that you are forgetting its that its not the first time that John Illsley play with this "legends" band, nor the second, nor the third, or even more... Dont you remember some concerts in Italy, with John, Alan Clark, Chris White, Jack Sonni, Phil Palmer and sometimes Mel Collins and Danny Cummings?
That concerts were the origin of Alan Clark's idea to form The Straits, and were announced as Dire Straits Legends, in fact Alan said that in one of those concerts they were announced just as Dire Straits, and they were worried about the audience getting mad when discovering the promoters had lied in the promotion of that concert, as the frontman of all that concerts was Marco Caviglia.
After John had played that bunch of Legends concerts, he made the MK Guitar Stories.
So, if it wasnt a problem before, what had changed? If nobody was so indignated before, why now? Why so much noise now, and so much posts to Guy's forum, as searching for a "fight" between MK and John?
I dont understand it.
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The only acceptable solution would have been Mark to go back with some DS reunion from time to time. Dire Strait had jut become too huge to just say one day : it's forever over. Now many people miss them and the happen what happen when the main man refuse to answer the need.
I am sorry, but you must be kidding?! You say all these bizarre happenings are MKs own fault because he refused DS reunion?? I would really re-consider that. If you mean that serious, no words for it...
I would not use the term "fault". For the rest it is all Mark's choice and he can't ignore that he left many Dire Straits fans on the middle of the road.
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The only acceptable solution would have been Mark to go back with some DS reunion from time to time. Dire Strait had jut become too huge to just say one day : it's forever over. Now many people miss them and the happen what happen when the main man refuse to answer the need.
I am sorry, but you must be kidding?! You say all these bizarre happenings are MKs own fault because he refused DS reunion?? I would really re-consider that. If you mean that serious, no words for it...
I would not use the term "fault". For the rest it is all Mark's choice and he can't ignore that he left many Dire Straits fans on the middle of the road.
I kinda agree with that. Its clear that there is an audience for it.
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There's an audience for The Beatles too, doesn't mean McCartney and Starr have to do anything about it.
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There's an audience for The Beatles too, doesn't mean McCartney and Starr have to do anything about it.
They dont have to, they could to.
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They're not going to, neither is MK.
The people who want MK to reform DS are nuts. He is one of the few acts of his era who not only releases credible new marerial but tours with it too.
Just about all of his peers do the greatest hits circuit.
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A few words in support of the previous speaker, by your leave.
The main difference is that Mark is still fertile and he may have children of his own.
Whereas those who continue their activity as an ersatz for DS and others of that ilk are totally sterile in a determinate sense of this word.
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They're not going to, neither is MK.
The people who want MK to reform DS are nuts. He is one of the few acts of his era who not only releases credible new marerial but tours with it too.
Just about all of his peers do the greatest hits circuit.
Mark is a great artist, and often (I've recently become aware), these sorts confound their 'fans' by constantly creating and not living in the past, much to many peoples dismay (even my own!)
Dylan is another great example, he's been confounding his 'audience' ever since he cut a record deal... folk, time to move on - electric blues admired by 'growing up Beatle fans', no thanks I'm dropping out... - Self Portrait, an inspired way to lose fans - Blood On The Tracks / Desire, the old fans go nuts with a return to 'form', but does he build on that? No, he doesn't care, he found Jesus and records 3 records about his life.... need I go on?
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They're not going to, neither is MK.
The people who want MK to reform DS are nuts. He is one of the few acts of his era who not only releases credible new marerial but tours with it too.
Just about all of his peers do the greatest hits circuit.
Calling nuts people that just like to hear again the music they love :think
Well I should have been completly nuts these 4 nights of 2002.
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They're not going to, neither is MK.
The people who want MK to reform DS are nuts. He is one of the few acts of his era who not only releases credible new marerial but tours with it too.
Just about all of his peers do the greatest hits circuit.
Calling nuts people that just like to hear again the music they love :think
Well I should have been completly nuts these 4 nights of 2002.
2002 was a different thing entirely, because MK was there in the band too!
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"Mark is a great artist, and often (I've recently become aware), these sorts confound their 'fans' by constantly creating and not living in the past, much to many peoples dismay (even my own!)"
Fletch - Do you really mean that you want Mark to live in the past and not create, or have I read it wrongly? ???
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They're not going to, neither is MK.
The people who want MK to reform DS are nuts. He is one of the few acts of his era who not only releases credible new marerial but tours with it too.
Just about all of his peers do the greatest hits circuit.
Calling nuts people that just like to hear again the music they love :think
Well I should have been completly nuts these 4 nights of 2002.
2002 was a different thing entirely, because MK was there in the band too!
Because John was in the band and that you could hear the difference, the alchmey that made Dires Straits sounds like Dire Straits and no other one. Mark doesn't need John to play Why Aye Man he's using excelletn musicians but Why Aye Man or Baloney Again never sounded that good since.
It is like when your favourite restaurant is closing,
20 or 30 years after you may still have the taste of it your mouth. You can call this nostalgia, but once it is in you like every drug, even well buried, at one point or another it can be back to the surface stimulating your brain with a "it was fuckin' good isn't it?" syndroma.
This is the same reason why several century after Mozart or Chopin's death many people still goes to concert listening their music even played by "ersatz".
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Firstly, the 2002 concerts were organized by MK and he was happy to be in the band, but he is not happy about these other bands, according to Guy. Without Mark playing the songs, I am not interested.
Regarding Mozart, etc, it was so long ago that nobody is alive now to remember them playing their compositions, so we have only "ersatz" to enjoy! ;)
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I think the problem we have here is that Mark was DS. Where most other bands could operate without one of the other members DS could not and indeed the other members of the band (except John) were, for wand of a better word, interchangeable. Ironically, Mark Knopfler is John and Mike! :disbelief
I think it's also clear that the new direction his music has taken has cost him many fans and there is still a market for DS songs being played live. Now that Mark has dropped most of them from the set, especially Sultans - which was the song many average concert goers (not fans) actually only went to hear - many people won't even go at all now. MFN, BIA and SOS are perhaps the songs a concert goer would go for if they weren't really a fan so now they won't go to a Mark Knopfler concert but they'll go to a Straits one.
The more rock influenced and faster DS songs always make the atmosphere in the hall far better than the rather bland, sedate flute and whistle inspired stuff of recent albums that send half the hall to sleep. I don't think there's anything wrong with mixing it up a bit. Or what about a longer concert!!!
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Firstly, the 2002 concerts were organized by MK and he was happy to be in the band, but he is not happy about these other bands, according to Guy. Without Mark playing the songs, I am not interested.
Regarding Mozart, etc, it was so long ago that nobody is alive now to remember them playing their compositions, so we have only "ersatz" to enjoy! ;)
That only tells that the music he wrote is bigger than the man, and was is true for Mozart is true for Mark. The only difference is one is no more with us, the other is.
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"Mark is a great artist, and often (I've recently become aware), these sorts confound their 'fans' by constantly creating and not living in the past, much to many peoples dismay (even my own!)"
Fletch - Do you really mean that you want Mark to live in the past and not create, or have I read it wrongly? ???
You've read that not as I intended... it would delight me to hear a surprise golden oldie dug up, reworked occasionally, not just the regular chosen few TR, BIA, SFA, SOS...
I LOVE that Mark is a true artist, and refuses to 'please' a past era if it does not please him to do so.
That is all.
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Well during the last tour he had reworked "I Dug Up A Diamond" and I must admit that I do prefer the 2006 version.
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The more rock influenced and faster DS songs always make the atmosphere in the hall far better than the rather bland, sedate flute and whistle inspired stuff of recent albums that send half the hall to sleep.
Bland and sedate could never have described the John, Mike & John concert I attended on Friday. It was a very toe-tapping affair with many standing ovations and lasted for more than three hours! A member of the audience even did a few Irish jigs in front of the band! You'd have loved it, but then again.......... :think
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I was there, absolutely fabulous show.
And if you like DS songs only, you have to go to the tributebands
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The more rock influenced and faster DS songs always make the atmosphere in the hall far better than the rather bland, sedate flute and whistle inspired stuff of recent albums that send half the hall to sleep.
Bland and sedate could never have described the John, Mike & John concert I attended on Friday. It was a very toe-tapping affair with many standing ovations and lasted for more than three hours! A member of the audience even did a few Irish jigs in front of the band! You'd have loved it, but then again.......... :think
I think that's to do with expectations and different audience groups. The attendees at the show you refer to will be avid fans of this type of music and will therefore be very appreciative of it. However, a lot of people attending Knopfler concerts will not be so familiar with his newer albums and even if they are, may be expecting him to play the oldies at the concerts. This is why when the flutes and whistles come out a lot of the hall dozes off and they just seem to be waiting for the next song in the vain hope that it's one they'll recognise from the DS catalogue.
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The question is not to like only the DS songs, it would be much easier then.
On the contrary Mark tend to always play the same DS stuff until he drops it, whereas over the years he could have kept a rotating 30 % of the show revisiting DS songs, 30% rotating past solo stuff and 30% for new stuff.
And the remaining 10?
For the gratuity of course! ;D
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The question is not to like only the DS songs, it would be much easier then.
On the contrary Mark tend to always play the same DS stuff until he drops it, whereas over the years he could have kept a rotating 30 % of the show revisiting DS songs, 30% rotating past solo stuff and 30% for new stuff.
And the remaining 10?
For the gratuity of course! ;D
Remaining 10%? Why Sultans of course! Got to keep the punters happy. It's actually incredibly arrogant and selfish to play what you like and just not bother about what your paying fans want when you think about it.
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"This is why when the flutes and whistles come out a lot of the hall dozes off and they just seem to be waiting for the next song in the vain hope that it's one they'll recognise from the DS catalogue."
Oh dear, you make going to an MK concert sound a very dismal, dreary experience! It's a wonder anyone attends at all! You and I were at the same two shows at the RAH last year and it seemed to me that the audience had a great time - I didn't notice too many people dozing off anyway! :)
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"This is why when the flutes and whistles come out a lot of the hall dozes off and they just seem to be waiting for the next song in the vain hope that it's one they'll recognise from the DS catalogue."
Oh dear, you make going to an MK concert sound a very dismal, dreary experience! It's a wonder anyone attends at all! You and I were at the same two shows at the RAH last year and it seemed to me that the audience had a great time - I didn't notice too many people dozing off anyway! :)
I set my alarm for 10 mins when your favourite song started and had forty winks! ;)
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"This is why when the flutes and whistles come out a lot of the hall dozes off and they just seem to be waiting for the next song in the vain hope that it's one they'll recognise from the DS catalogue."
Oh dear, you make going to an MK concert sound a very dismal, dreary experience! It's a wonder anyone attends at all! You and I were at the same two shows at the RAH last year and it seemed to me that the audience had a great time - I didn't notice too many people dozing off anyway! :)
I set my alarm for 10 mins when your favourite song started and had forty winks! ;)
Oh, is that what I thought was ringing in my ears! ;D
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Good thing about this straits stuff is that jackal wrote two messages on Guy's forum! Nice to see he is still alive and kicking and obviously still interested in MK and Guy, or at least reading his forum... :wave
LE
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Remaining 10%? Why Sultans of course! Got to keep the punters happy. It's actually incredibly arrogant and selfish to play what you like and just not bother about what your paying fans want when you think about it.
This is a way to see it.
BB King like say that he plays to make his audience happy. That's the "entertainer artist"point of view.
On the other side, the "honest artist" point of view, I play what I want to play, if you like come to listen, if you don't like it'd better you stay at home. More or less what he has done since he doesn't want to play the stadium size anymore.
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Remaining 10%? Why Sultans of course! Got to keep the punters happy. It's actually incredibly arrogant and selfish to play what you like and just not bother about what your paying fans want when you think about it.
This is a way to see it.
BB King like say that he plays to make his audience happy. That's the "entertainer artist"point of view.
On the other side, the "honest artist" point of view, I play what I want to play, if you like come to listen, if you don't like it'd better you stay at home. More or less what he has done since he doesn't want to play the stadium size anymore.
And that attitude isn't fair for those who prefer the previous style of music he used to churn out. It'd be different if his style hadn't changed so radically. As I said: arrogant and selfish.
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It is not about art, or anyway not art like we think of it. It has to do more with a person that can not be living in the past all his life. He is not in the oldies circuit, he has great new music every couple of years and he never denied his past, it is just that too many new songs are in the mix. I wish he could play 3-4 hours and play all the oldies and the new, but since this is not the case, I will go for the new songs. After all he has being allowing live recordings and you can hear all the great songs from the great eras, several hundreds of times.
You know it reminds me of some of my old aunties that still see me as a small kid and ask me about those days, games I played and the same old, like I have never grown up and have new interests. Like going to a gallery and seeing he same photos or paintings for the second and third time and wondering, where is the new staff, why is he still bothering us with the same old things, no matter how good they are.
Yes, I understand that this is a live experience and all the examples I use are not, but still you get the point. I hope! ;)
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I see the point and I certainly have enough old DS bootlegs anyway! However, I think he could mix it up a little in the set; I don't want a "greatest hits tour" kind of thing but would rather have some of the DS songs interspersed between the new in order to liven the show up a bit. Everybody happy! I think the shows are perhaps getting a little too "sleepy" in parts.
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talking about dozing offfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff..........
Good thing about this straits stuff is that jackal wrote two messages on Guy's forum! Nice to see he is still alive and kicking and obviously still interested in MK and Guy, or at least reading his forum... :wave
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yes he posts from time to time on Guy's forum, it's not the first time I see his name.
we talked briefly last year on soundcloud-mail
you can listen to his music :
https://soundcloud.com/tds-music-library (https://soundcloud.com/tds-music-library)
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"We play most of the songs that people are starved to hear, songs that mean so much to them," he said. "But when I put this band together, I had no intention of being a cover band. I view this as an extension, a continuation of Dire Straits." Alan Clark
http://www.marinij.com/rss/ci_25338726?source=rss
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"We play most of the songs that people are starved to hear, songs that mean so much to them," he said. "But when I put this band together, I had no intention of being a cover band. I view this as an extension, a continuation of Dire Straits." Alan Clark
http://www.marinij.com/rss/ci_25338726?source=rss
Their repertoire is finite though! ;)
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Obviously Alan views Dire Straits as his band. Personally, I don't agree with him!
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MK will still be writing wonderful songs and performing them, long after "The Straits" have bored people with the same old stuff! It's a dead-end job!
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MK will still be writing wonderful songs and performing them, long after "The Straits" have bored people with the same old stuff! It's a dead-end job!
Totally agree with you superval! And maybe there will come a reunion with MK, no one knows. As long as there are plans for touring and a new album I am much more excited about that!
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I saw The Straits last month in Bradford and i have to say they were brilliant, i left the show smiling after meeting Alan and Chris and were buzzing about the whole show for days. . . . I havent had that feeling after seeing a MK show since 1996.
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I saw The Straits last month in Bradford and i have to say they were brilliant, i left the show smiling after meeting Alan and Chris and were buzzing about the whole show for days. . . . I havent had that feeling after seeing a MK show since 1996.
I think it's the songs that really get people going in the audience and the atmosphere is what stays with you after the gig. Also if there is good energy from the stage, then that transfers to the audience. Recently, Mark's shows have been getting slower paced due to the new songs with less energy and with the inclusion of songs that some audience members won't even know then it's no surprise that there's little buzz from Mark's shows these days. How many songs these days really get you off your feet apart from TR?
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In my case, when I look at the left and saw Alan Clark playing those keyboards parts that were so important parts of the songs of my life... That was magic.
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Recently, Mark's shows have been getting slower paced due to the new songs with less energy and with the inclusion of songs that some audience members won't even know then it's no surprise that there's little buzz from Mark's shows these days.
You know, last summer I took my friend along with me to the gig. She's never seen MK before and had a faint idea of him and his music at all. We just had a rest there, where the concert took place.
She was highly elated over that show and liked everything in general, but namely Marbletown became a real revelation to her, she was just fascinated by the playing of guys. And it was by no means boring, quite the contrary, - superbly.
Such is the opinion of unbiased spectator.
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I saw The Straits last month in Bradford and i have to say they were brilliant, i left the show smiling after meeting Alan and Chris and were buzzing about the whole show for days. . . . I havent had that feeling after seeing a MK show since 1996.
And what does this (subjective) observation have to do with the devastating, even cruel, statements of Clark??
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Recently, Mark's shows have been getting slower paced due to the new songs with less energy and with the inclusion of songs that some audience members won't even know then it's no surprise that there's little buzz from Mark's shows these days.
You know, last summer I took my friend along with me to the gig. She's never seen MK before and had a faint idea of him and his music at all. We just had a rest there, where the concert took place.
She was highly elated over that show and liked everything in general, but namely Marbletown became a real revelation to her, she was just fascinated by the playing of guys. And it was by no means boring, quite the contrary, - superbly.
Such is the opinion of unbiased spectator.
I, also, took people to see some of MK's gigs, one in 2010 and the other in 2013. In both cases they had never seen an MK show before and both were blown away by the musicianship throughout, especially Marbletown.
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I saw The Straits last month in Bradford and i have to say they were brilliant, i left the show smiling after meeting Alan and Chris and were buzzing about the whole show for days. . . . I havent had that feeling after seeing a MK show since 1996.
And what does this (subjective) observation have to do with the devastating, even cruel, statements of Clark??
Just one of the reasons that I will never attend a Straits concert!
From the very first time I ever heard MK's voice and guitar, it meant everything to me, so if he's not there, it means nothing. It was always about MK!
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I'd say that Alan wanted to say that they had their role in the band too, not that MK wasnt important. Actually to play as The Straits, MK is not important at all as they are playing his songs with at least two musicians that used to play them, and even helped to create the arrangements of the MK songs.
And they can't be Dire Straits without MK.
Its a bit tricky comment by Alan, but I got it right from the first time.
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Thats your opinion, and I strongly disagree. You choose to be mad about him. I choose to enjoy this new chance that they give me as i never saw Dire Straits live, and thanks to MK, i will never see.
I enjoy what lasts of the band, one side I have the leader, guitar, singer and songwriter, and other side I have a band with two ex members keeping the legacy, that MK ignores (and its entitled to do it) alive and kicking. You are the one that chooses to be angry, i choose to enjoy them.
You choose to interpretate his words as an insult, i choose to go deeper instead and understand what he really means, instead of being angry about whatever it looks like an attack to MK.
I win.
But everybody is free to choose.
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Thats your opinion, and I strongly disagree. You choose to be mad about him. I choose to enjoy this new chance that they give me as i never saw Dire Straits live, and thanks to MK, i will never see.
I enjoy what lasts of the band, one side I have the leader, guitar, singer and songwriter, and other side I have a band with two ex members keeping the legacy, that MK ignores (and its entitled to do it) alive and kicking. You are the one that chooses to be angry, i choose to enjoy them.
You choose to interpretate his words as an insult, i choose to go deeper instead and understand what he really means, instead of being angry about whatever it looks like an attack to MK.
I win.
But everybody is free to choose.
I am sorry, for me thats not a matter of choose or interpretation, this is a matter of facts. Of course you are entitled to enjoy the straits, this is not my cup of tea; but about statements from Clark is no matter of choose or a matter of how to understand, it is so obvious, you must be kidding if you don
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Good for you.
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Good for you.
Why good for me? Also this strange category I don
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Why, oh God, why they made this solo Communique version? Where on Earth MK done something like that? Well, it's OK with one verse, but the whole song?! I even don't talk about the riff played so completely wrong. This band certainly not in the DS standards of perfection, and THAT is strange part when Clark saying 'All cover bands are bad'. C'mon Alan, make your cover band not so bad first, then talk!
I just can't listen a group where only keys and sax represented at wanted level. The only door that The Straits and Legends opened up for me it's -- man, you have to write your own material.
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You can't help but have empathy for Chris White when he says "it's tough out there" at about the 1:20 mark of this YouTube clip and then explains that with The Straits they are greeted enthusiastically every time.
http://youtu.be/w_eGBcd--HU
Empathy aside, however, as Val said (unless The Straits morph into their own thing) it is a dead-end road. Certainly these fine musicians can ply their talents as they like, but, for me, I see it as rather tragic that they feel a need to be attempting to rekindle DS's glory days. I think MK understands that the past is the past and conducts himself with a pioneering dignity that is true to himself. I know that MK's wishes and some of his fans wishes don't mesh, but he's the one who needs to do what is right for him.
My wish for The Straits, especially Chris who seems like a nice guy, is that they find their own way to success without riding on the talent of MK.
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I wonder what happened with the album they were recording with their own material - seems a long time ago since it was mentioned. :think
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I bet it will come. And it will be sold at their concerts. But as I've said, nowadays it is a tricky situation getting noticed even with brilliant songs. Let's hope they serve such.
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UPD It was here originally: http://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php/topic,2354.msg46644.html#msg46644
For me privately it was NOT sounded like a joke at all. If it was a joke, so it was the most ridiculous joke ever.
Too bad the video is gone.
Alan did some great job for Dire Straits and had become part of their signature sound (and 1000% more than GF for MK solo) but you can't pretend being a Dire Straits reincarnation without Mark - he was the nucleus of it with his characteristic singing and guitar playing.
And this is were Alan can be wrong when he starts to make comparison between The Straits and Dire Straits, if the topping is the same and you will get some similar taste for it, the rest of the cake is not Dire Straits.
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I wonder what happened with the album they were recording with their own material - seems a long time ago since it was mentioned. :think
As far as any new releases in the future, according to White, it's a possibility.
"We are putting some stuff down and we plan, when we have time, to get it on the Internet for people to hear if they like," he said. "We don't want to rush it. That would be wrong."
So, for now, the group is pleased with the tour and their performances.
"We work well together on stage," White said. "We are lucky to have this group of musicians together."
http://www.theledger.com/article/20140319/ENT/403195003/1001/business?Title=The-Straits
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I wonder what happened with the album they were recording with their own material - seems a long time ago since it was mentioned. :think
As far as any new releases in the future, according to White, it's a possibility.
"We are putting some stuff down and we plan, when we have time, to get it on the Internet for people to hear if they like," he said. "We don't want to rush it. That would be wrong."
So, for now, the group is pleased with the tour and their performances.
"We work well together on stage," White said. "We are lucky to have this group of musicians together."
http://www.theledger.com/article/20140319/ENT/403195003/1001/business?Title=The-Straits
Thank you! :)
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I suppose the main question for these guys would be: is there enough money in it for us to make our own album worthwhile? :disbelief
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I suppose the main question for these guys would be: is there enough money in it for us to make our own album worthwhile? :disbelief
Meanwhile they carry on down that dead-end road!
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I suppose the main question for these guys would be: is there enough money in it for us to make our own album worthwhile? :disbelief
Well, if they release own material under the current name, I am sure even the sensitivity threshold of MK will be exceeded and he will sue; If they change name, not much money to earn...
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We have to assume that "The Straits" is NOT "dIRE sTRAITS" so they can do what they want under THEIR name (even if I am not pleased by it).
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Sue? On what grounds? Come on guys and gals, don't mix imagined ethics with law. After all even if MK proceeds with it, these things take time, cost money, break relations, make people outside the fan circle wonder etc. I believe that the time spent on them is way too much if you don't care.
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Imagined ethics is what describe many posts the best way...
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Sue? On what grounds? ...
again from the other thread:
http://www.saratogian.com/arts-and-entertainment/20140311/the-straits-to-perform-at-the-palace-in-albany
I think some of you have no idea of what is intellectual property. Also Guy have mentioned often that in principle all tribute bands are illegal; anyway, they are accepted, but when it becomes as big as the straits with a clear commercial objective they are usually not (you can find many examples). And also they can of course not do what they want when they release something under the current name due to name co-incidance with dire straits; any lawyer will tell you.
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Mark Knopfler does not owns "The Straits" name and no legal authorities has stated that "The Straits" name being counterfeiting or misleading the Dire straits brand so from that point it's green for them.
It may be disturbing for the DS fan but The Straits can play the music they like as long long as they remain within the applicable laws (each country has his owns) you can't forbid them to play your music.
So even if The Straits would be doing it for the money they are musician and they also need to eat.
This is their job after all and it is all up to the public to attend or not their shows.
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Mark Knopfler does not owns "The Straits" name and no legal authorities has stated that "The Straits" name being counterfeiting or misleading the Dire straits brand so from that point it's green for them.
It may be disturbing for the DS fan but The Straits can play the music they like as long long as they remain within the applicable laws (each country has his owns) you can't forbid them to play your music.
So even if The Straits would be doing it for the money they are musician and they also need to eat.
This is their job after all and it is all up to the public to attend or not their shows.
:clap :clap :clap :clap
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Sue? On what grounds? ...
again from the other thread:
http://www.saratogian.com/arts-and-entertainment/20140311/the-straits-to-perform-at-the-palace-in-albany
I think some of you have no idea of what is intellectual property. Also Guy have mentioned often that in principle all tribute bands are illegal; anyway, they are accepted, but when it becomes as big as the straits with a clear commercial objective they are usually not (you can find many examples). And also they can of course not do what they want when they release something under the current name due to name co-incidance with dire straits; any lawyer will tell you.
Actually the intellectual property is backed by a series of laws that are open to interpretation from a court, taking into account a great number of factors. As such, it is not safe to say a priory which part will win. Usually the time consuming and money demanding cases, benefit the party with more money, even if in the end he loses the case. Chris White is talking about this really. Restraining orders etc. As for the right to play the music live, if they pay the copyright holder the amount of money that the law describes and they do a serious job (in a mockery case they can deny him the right to play the songs) I don't think that there is an actual problem. Dire straits and The straits are two different things. I believe they won't be having problems with the name and their own material. If there was an issue with the name it would have appeared already, since now they play DS songs.
Anyway, in the big river of time and events we live in, do you really think that many people give the attention we do?
There is so much music out there, waiting to be heard. Listen to the late Jackie Leven' s CDs or John Martyn, Nick Drake, Marissa Nadler, Karen Dalton, Jo-Ann Kelly and so many others.
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Sue? On what grounds? ...
again from the other thread:
http://www.saratogian.com/arts-and-entertainment/20140311/the-straits-to-perform-at-the-palace-in-albany
I think some of you have no idea of what is intellectual property. Also Guy have mentioned often that in principle all tribute bands are illegal; anyway, they are accepted, but when it becomes as big as the straits with a clear commercial objective they are usually not (you can find many examples). And also they can of course not do what they want when they release something under the current name due to name co-incidance with dire straits; any lawyer will tell you.
Actually the intellectual property is backed by a series of laws that are open to interpretation from a court, taking into account a great number of factors. As such, it is not safe to say a priory which part will win. Usually the time consuming and money demanding cases, benefit the party with more money, even if in the end he loses the case. Chris White is talking about this really. Restraining orders etc. As for the right to play the music live, if they pay the copyright holder the amount of money that the law describes and they do a serious job (in a mockery case they can deny him the right to play the songs) I don't think that there is an actual problem. Dire straits and The straits are two different things. I believe they won't be having problems with the name and their own material. If there was an issue with the name it would have appeared already, since now they play DS songs.
Anyway, in the big river of time and events we live in, do you really think that many people give the attention we do?
There is so much music out there, waiting to be heard. Listen to the late Jackie Leven' s CDs or John Martyn, Nick Drake, Marissa Nadler, Karen Dalton, Jo-Ann Kelly and so many others.
I don
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@ds1984: About the name issue, I am 100% sure they will be sued, if they release new material under that name and at the same go on a commercial tour like this playing dire straits material. Don
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@ds1984: About the name issue, I am 100% sure they will be sued, if they release new material under that name and at the same go on a commercial tour like this playing dire straits material. Don
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Just found this, here: http://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php/topic,3583.0/topicseen.html
My guess is that MK is not happy by both stories (straits and legends) at all.
Guy Fletcher is confirming (8th March 2014 comment in his forum) : ''Mark certainly does NOT approve. It is ultimately up to the fans to decide as there's nothing that Mark or the management can do about such tribute acts. ''
not approve is a nice way to put it.
I am sure he is not happy at all.
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Saw this on Guy's forum this morning and I LOVE IT! Blows the various tribute bands out of the water! :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFUz1gSh9A0&feature=youtu.be
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!!! AMAZING! I like how they reduce the main riff, in something that actually suits their instruments.
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I dont like it. They simply play the same song but with bluegrass instruments. Even the own MK did it better with that 2001 delta blues intro, changing the song.
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I read that The Straits are opening with "where do you think you are going", i'd love to watch a video of it, as i expect that they play it like in 1981, with that wonderful keyboards part from Alan.
I think that any of you are attending one of the US shows, please if you can, do a video of it ;D
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I read that The Straits are opening with "where do you think you are going", i'd love to watch a video of it, as i expect that they play it like in 1981...
I assume they haven
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I read that The Straits are opening with "where do you think you are going", i'd love to watch a video of it, as i expect that they play it like in 1981...
I assume they haven
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I just stumbled upon that band:http:
www.illegaleagles.com/start.php
And man! What a title! I would go to their concert, but my friend just got confused with The Straits, he thought it's the real deal. Well, he's right because there is a HUGE DIRE STRAITS title and small notice adding "original members of a band". @#
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I assume they haven
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I assume they haven
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you didnt get the point, but if even fans confuse the straits with dire straits, thats odd...
ah sorry for my misunderstanding
I got the point, but too late it seems....
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I assume they haven
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Hi all;
No polemic just my feeling:
I just saw their gig in Minsk , my first feeling is that they bring some new fresh ideas ( they can be proud of that) and they are high class musicians ( Alan; Chris , Steve) . But it seems that Mark is more than a great guitarist/songwriter/.... ( and more!) ; there is , for me, a lack of fluidity and spontaneity , Steve is one of the best drummer but he sounds strange on DS songs, even Alan is less inspired than the DS days , Chris is still wonderful and he brings the best ( maybe the more essential in this band ), Mark was and is still a leader, he shares and transmits his sense of harmony , for me the essential tradeMARK over all the years.
Regards
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I assume they haven
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Now its time to start a campaign to collect money and sue them all...
:smack
Ps/ dire straits its a dead band that doesnt exists anymore so, yes, the straits are "an extension" or a continuation of it, as they are ex musicians of the original band.
I hope you are capable to understand that an extension or continuation doesnt mean they are the same band, but something that came from the original. Arent you
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It would have been much more honest if the programme had shown us The Straits performing with their own sound, instead of that of the real DS. It was completely misleading and I agree with junkiedoll - this was unacceptable and Alan and Chris must have been aware of the video and also being described as "The Dire Straits".
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It would have been much more honest if the programme had shown us The Straits performing with their own sound, instead of that of the real DS. It was completely misleading and I agree with junkiedoll - this was unacceptable and Alan and Chris must have been aware of the video and also being described as "The Dire Straits".
I am sure that Alan and Chris only did the interview and probably they didnt watch the final video. Its 100% fault of the people from tv.
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This interview is really a shame; to be introduced like DS with Alchemy in background ! they re not and will be never DS
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This interview is really a shame; to be introduced like DS with Alchemy in background ! they re not and will be never DS
Some journalists are crap, thats for sure.
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I just had a brainwave, jbaent! You must be The Straits manager! Why didn't I think of that before! :think :smack
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I just had a brainwave, jbaent! You must be The Straits manager! Why didn't I think of that before! :think :smack
I thought that was PC? Have you noticed that Mark and TS never tour at the same time... :think
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I just had a brainwave, jbaent! You must be The Straits manager! Why didn't I think of that before! :think :smack
I thought that was PC? Have you noticed that Mark and TS never tour at the same time... :think
Are you serious? How do you come on such an idea? Of course not, their manager is Tom Cleary, as given on their webpage. And also they toured at the same time during the Privateering tour.
Don
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I just had a brainwave, jbaent! You must be The Straits manager! Why didn't I think of that before! :think :smack
I thought that was PC? Have you noticed that Mark and TS never tour at the same time... :think
Are you serious? How do you come on such an idea? Of course not, their manager is Tom Cleary, as given on their webpage. And also they toured at the same time during the Privateering tour.
Don
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I just had a brainwave, jbaent! You must be The Straits manager! Why didn't I think of that before! :think :smack
I thought that was PC? Have you noticed that Mark and TS never tour at the same time... :think
Are you serious? How do you come on such an idea? Of course not, their manager is Tom Cleary, as given on their webpage. And also they toured at the same time during the Privateering tour.
No. Only said in jest. :)
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I just had a brainwave, jbaent! You must be The Straits manager! Why didn't I think of that before! :think :smack
I thought that was PC? Have you noticed that Mark and TS never tour at the same time... :think
Are you serious? How do you come on such an idea? Of course not, their manager is Tom Cleary, as given on their webpage. And also they toured at the same time during the Privateering tour.
Don
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Just to clarify it. Every Mk's fart smell like roses and everything else smells like shit.
Isnt it?
I am tired of all this hate. I used to enjoy this forum before this turn into a persecution against everything that doesn't smell like Mk's farts.
I hope you really enjoy your hate. I find it disgusting.
Good bye. Friends know where to find me.
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Man, don't let it bring you down. They are just voicing their opinion. IMO, this is just a waste of time after the point where we all spoke our minds. No one is convincing no one. Everybody just weights his opinion more than the others. I refrained from writing many times, in order not to feed this series of monologues with more fuel. Do the same. No need to convince anybody. Have a good night and we will talk again tomorrow on another thread. :D
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I like the Straits, as I have said before. To call them a tribute band is demeaning - as is filing threads on the band under the title 'Almost Straits'. Alan clearly had a major input into constructing songs from the On Location tour onwards, so it's not well founded for people to suggest he's exploiting the history of Dire Straits and putting the band in the same camp as your down the road pub band with a walk of life backing track.
Just because MK has managed to claim the writing credits for every song doesn't necessarily mean he wrote each and every aspect of those songs.
So yes, the Straits as the band they are have every right to use that name, which after all is not Dire Straits. People with a shred of common sense will be able to tell they aren't going to see Dire Straits when they buy a ticket for a concert. And to return to the original title of this thread, i'm glad lots is happening with the Straits.
Just an opinion.
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jbaent, I'm so sorry if my post upset you, it wasn't my intention, only said to lighten the atmosphere, which plainly it did not. I apologise and hope you forgive me. :)
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Its not you Val. I appreciate your comment, some clever posts now and then is like rain in the desert.
Its the general stupidity of the thalibans that write in this and the rest of the Straits or Legends threads, like if they were entitled to judge morally something that MK doesn
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Its the general stupidity of the thalibans that write in this and the rest of the Straits or Legends threads, like if they were entitled to judge morally something that MK doesn
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To be honest I can see what Jbaent is meaning. This thread has been going on too long for no particular reason other than to have a cheap joke at The Straits' expense. It has escalated to the point where most of them are not funny and to someone who actually likes TS then I'm sure they may be offensive. But please don't leave us Jbaent. You're far to valuable to us, especially as you're an editor! ;)
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To be honest I can see what Jbaent is meaning. This thread has been going on too long for no particular reason other than to have a cheap joke at The Straits' expense. It has escalated to the point where most of them are not funny and to someone who actually likes TS then I'm sure they may be offensive. But please don't leave us Jbaent. You're far to valuable to us, especially as you're an editor! ;)
sorry, but thats - at least to my view - no reason to throw out notions like thalibans et al. (in particular when being an editor)
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I agree that this thread has reached a too high level of passioness.
Let's the pressure go out and calm the thing down.
jbaent has obviously been hurt and taking a rest may be the best option to be back with us when he will feel better.