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Previous Tours => 2013 Privateering World Tour => Topic started by: shangri la 1 on May 05, 2013, 07:51:40 AM
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PRIVATEERING TOUR 2013 [C 08]
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Location:- http://www.zagrebarena.hr/
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TICKETS:- http://www.eventim.rs/en/tickets/mark-knopfler-zagreb-arena-428711/performance.html?L
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30 songs now played on this tour
SET LIST ZAGREB
Different from last Concert in RED
01 what it is
02 corned beef city
03 privateering
04 father and son
05 hillfarmers blues
06 kingdom of gold
07 I used to could
08 Romeo & juliet
09 gator blood
10 prairie wedding
11 postcards from Paraguay
12 marbletown
13 speedway at nazareth
14 telegraph road
15 brothers in arms
16 so far away
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Lets see if Telegraph is the next one in line...
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29 different songs have been played, and I'm here waiting for the last one surprise. Maybe it will be revealed tonight?
Wishes
Allen
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Apparently "True love will never fade" and "Prairie wedding" are waiting to be played, as someone heard that ongs being played on soundchecks in Milano...
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Apparently "True love will never fade" and "Prairie wedding" are waiting to be played, as someone heard that ongs being played on soundchecks in Milano...
So were 'Silvertown Blues' and 'Portobello Belle' in 2001 ;)
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Pyroman ;D ;D ;D ;D
(I remembered this song yesterday night with the famous celebration of Orthodox Easter at the beautiful island of Chios. It is called rocketwar! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aDQnBd4A5Q&feature=youtube_gdata_player .It was spectacular and it was the first time I saw it . )
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Apparently "True love will never fade" and "Prairie wedding" are waiting to be played, as someone heard that ongs being played on soundchecks in Milano...
Then we will make it 31. Oh, no, the PE teacher taught me maths. :smack
Wishes
Allen
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What time the show starts ? We will have again the wonderful live setlist ? :clap
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20.00 start
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20.00 start
Thank you !
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Apparently "True love will never fade" and "Prairie wedding" are waiting to be played, as someone heard that ongs being played on soundchecks in Milano...
PW is a nice song. I don't know about "TLWNF" never my favorite.
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Pyroman ;D ;D ;D ;D
(I remembered this song yesterday night with the famous celebration of Orthodox Easter at the beautiful island of Chios. It is called rocketwar! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aDQnBd4A5Q&feature=youtube_gdata_player .It was spectacular and it was the first time I saw it . )
Love Pyroman !!!!! Really awesome Live !!!
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Pyroman ;D ;D ;D ;D
(I remembered this song yesterday night with the famous celebration of Orthodox Easter at the beautiful island of Chios. It is called rocketwar! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aDQnBd4A5Q&feature=youtube_gdata_player .It was spectacular and it was the first time I saw it . )
Love Pyroman !!!!! Really awesome Live !!!
I have just seen a video were Glen throws the bass from a distance ;D ;D ;D
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Too bad. Than we will just have to wait. :'(
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20.00 start
MESZ or UTC? :smack
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Concert is almost over now i think..... What wil it be ??? ??? ???
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No SOS again I suppose...
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No SOS again I suppose...
:'(
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9minute sonny, and a 20mins marbletown please he he
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9minute sonny, and a 20mins marbletown please he he
If you want banned you're going the right way about it! ;)
I think Sultans will be back tonight. No Sultans 2 nights running would start to be very worrying.
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9minute sonny, and a 20mins marbletown please he he
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Prairie was played not SOS again
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Prairie was played not SOS again
What?!? :o
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Prairie was played not SOS again
You must be joking :)
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I am serious...Dont have the whole set...but this is from a friend who was there..
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Prairie was played not SOS again
What about SAN ?
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Prairie was played not SOS again
What about SAN ?
No idea for the moment
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I am serious...Dont have the whole set...but this is from a friend who was there..
Oh no... :-\
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Speedway was played...no more info for the moment
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Speedway was played...no more info for the moment
Speedway has probably been the best live song of recent tours imo. A must.
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Speedway was played...no more info for the moment
Speedway has probably been the best live song of recent tours imo. A must.
Hope TR was there, otherwise I'll go and suicide...
I am ennoyed by this SOS/SAN removal, the core DS subset (SoS, RAJ, TR, BIA, and maybe SFA) should remained untouched... they are the sacred milestones... and SAN has come to this status... well same with HFB, WII, MT, Crows for me :)
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That Sultans is missing..and now for the second day in a row...is seriously making me depressed! :disbelief Will they bring it back, and if so; only now and then? :-\
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My feeling is that he will not skip SOS, SAN, BIA regularly or forever...Also TR if he would do that
Just a feeling... ::)
But its strange SOS was missing in all countries of ex-Jugoslavia... :o :o :o
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Speedway was played...no more info for the moment
Speedway has probably been the best live song of recent tours imo. A must.
Hope TR was there, otherwise I'll go and suicide...
I am ennoyed by this SOS/SAN removal, the core DS subset (SoS, RAJ, TR, BIA, and maybe SFA) should remained untouched... they are the sacred milestones... and SAN has come to this status... well same with HFB, WII, MT, Crows for me :)
I must say that I agree all the way here :thumbsup
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My feeling is that he will not skip SOS, SAN, BIA regularly or forever...Also TR if he would do that
Just a feeling... ::)
I so hope that you`re right :-\
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But its strange SOS was missing in all countries of ex-Jugoslavia... :o :o :o
I must say that crossed my mind too... :think
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..But its strange SOS was missing in all countries of ex-Jugoslavia... :o :o :o
yes, we're not talking about Les Boys :lol
(I'm joking, of course)
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Trying to get more info...
Played - Prairie Wedding, SAN, Kingdom of Gold, Gator Blood
Not played SOS, Sony Liston, Tupelo, Haul Away and Yon...
The others are the same as Ljubljana
Sorry I cant write the whole set, but I dont know the song numbers to get it in order.. ???
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Trying to get more info...
Played - Prairie Wedding, SAN
Not played SOS, Sony Liston, Tupelo, Haul Away and Yon...
TR ??
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Trying to get more info...
Played - Prairie Wedding, SAN
Not played SOS, Sony Liston, Tupelo, Haul Away and Yon...
TR ??
Think that ones safe..unfortunately I think Marble is safe too...
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Played - Prairie Wedding, SAN, Kingdom of Gold, Gator Blood
Not played SOS, Sony Liston, Tupelo, Haul Away and Yon...
The others are the same as Ljubljana
Sorry I can't write the whole set, because I dont know the song numbers to get it in order.. ??? :hmm
TR is played I think...
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Trying to get more info...
Played - Prairie Wedding, SAN
Not played SOS, Sony Liston, Tupelo, Haul Away and Yon...
TR ??
Think that ones safe..unfortunately I think Marble is safe too...
Marbletown is a gem... I don't understand you and dmg on that one...
Seems the only one we (almost) all agree is Sony... :)
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Trying to get more info...
Played - Prairie Wedding, SAN
Not played SOS, Sony Liston, Tupelo, Haul Away and Yon...
TR ??
Think that ones safe..unfortunately I think Marble is safe too...
I Always thought Sultans was safe :-\
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Modifyed my post above while you posted ;D ;D ;D
TR was played
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Trying to get more info...
Played - Prairie Wedding, SAN
Not played SOS, Sony Liston, Tupelo, Haul Away and Yon...
TR ??
Think that ones safe..unfortunately I think Marble is safe too...
Marbletown is a gem... I don't understand you and dmg on that one...
Seems the only one we (almost) all agree is Sony... :)
He he, last time I checked I could count to one Sonny fan in here.. :)
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Trying to get more info...
Played - Prairie Wedding, SAN
Not played SOS, Sony Liston, Tupelo, Haul Away and Yon...
TR ??
Think that ones safe..unfortunately I think Marble is safe too...
I Always thought Sultans was safe :-\
Same here..worried about this.. :disbelief
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Here's the setlist: http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/mark-knopfler/2013/arena-zagreb-croatia-73d80675.html
Complete as I guess...
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Here's the setlist: http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/mark-knopfler/2013/arena-zagreb-croatia-73d80675.html
Complete as I guess...
:thumbsup :clap However, let me edit my response from yesterday...this is definitely the worst setlist so far :-\
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Here's the setlist: http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/mark-knopfler/2013/arena-zagreb-croatia-73d80675.html
Complete as I guess...
:thumbsup :clap However, let me edit my response from yesterday...this is definitely the worst setlist so far :-\
Why ? At least san is here
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Thank you Zeta...Now is complete:
1.What It Is
2.Corned Beef City
3.Privateering
4.Father and Son
5.Hill Farmer's Blues
6.Kingdom of Gold
7.I Used to Could
8.Romeo and Juliet
9.Gator Blood
10.Prairie Wedding
11.Postcards from Paraguay
12.Marbletown
13.Speedway at Nazareth
14.Telegraph Road
Encore:
15.Brothers in Arms
16.So Far Away
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01 what it is
02 corned beef city
03 privateering
04 father and son
05 hillfarmers blues
06 kingdom of gold
07 I used to could
08 Romeo & juliet
09 gator blood
10 prairie wedding
11 postcards from Paraguay
12 marbletown
13 speedway at nazareth
14 telegraph road
15 brothers in arms
16 so far away
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Here's the setlist: http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/mark-knopfler/2013/arena-zagreb-croatia-73d80675.html
Complete as I guess...
:thumbsup :clap However, let me edit my response from yesterday...this is definitely the worst setlist so far :-\
Why ? At least san is here
Dont know if it is the worst...but it is very interesting! ;D ::) ::)
Great one Ingrid!
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Haha during posting another one :D
I like it
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Here's the setlist: http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/mark-knopfler/2013/arena-zagreb-croatia-73d80675.html
Complete as I guess...
:thumbsup :clap However, let me edit my response from yesterday...this is definitely the worst setlist so far :-\
Why ? At least san is here
That is true, but for me bringing in SAN cannot compensate for missing SoS, HA, YTC..and to replace them; PW and GB :disbelief
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Haha during posting another one :D
I like it
One minute difference...hahaha ;D
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Here's the setlist: http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/mark-knopfler/2013/arena-zagreb-croatia-73d80675.html
Complete as I guess...
:thumbsup :clap However, let me edit my response from yesterday...this is definitely the worst setlist so far :-\
Why ? At least san is here
That is true, but for me bringing in SAN cannot compensate for missing SoS, HA, YTC..and to replace them; PW and GB :disbelief
ONLY ToL can compensate for SoS..but then again Tunnel can compensate for anything! ;D
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Here's the setlist: http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/mark-knopfler/2013/arena-zagreb-croatia-73d80675.html
Complete as I guess...
:thumbsup :clap However, let me edit my response from yesterday...this is definitely the worst setlist so far :-\
I don't think it's that bad. It's hard to understand why SOS is removed. That's a big big mistake. It's also sad that YTC is missing. But if these songs were played, it would be a pretty good set. Speedway were played, which is very important.
I like PW, so i'm glad that the song was played.
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TOL would be the very one surprise...Not a feeling about TOL ;D ;D ;D
But who knows? Whatever would happen now...as the sets are changing like that... ;D ;D ;D
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since sonny wasnt there:((, thank goodness he had marbletown and gator blood in :))
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except for Sos not played this ain't half that bad. and really, can do without SoS every now and then. no, pls let us not restart that discussion. i fully understand!
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Crows instead of IUTC and Sultans as a closer instead of SFA......... :think 8)
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except for Sos not played this ain't half that bad. and really, can do without SoS every now and then. no, pls let us not restart that discussion. i fully understand!
Oh, you got us going now Pottel! ;) Every now and then has been...two times as every now and then is enough :P
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except for Sos not played this ain't half that bad. and really, can do without SoS every now and then. no, pls let us not restart that discussion. i fully understand!
I can also do without SOS now and then, as long it's not in Scandinavia :lol
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except for Sos not played this ain't half that bad. and really, can do without SoS every now and then. no, pls let us not restart that discussion. i fully understand!
I can also do without SOS now and then, as long it's not in Scandinavia :lol
Hehe ;D
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Nobody mentioned Postcards and KOG yet!
Great he played these!! And PW, i like that one, too.
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Hope to hear Postcards and Gator Blood at one of my shows...
the longer Intro of Postcards with the band introduction is really cool...
Also Sonny Liston has such a killer guitar these days that it is a real treat to hear live hopefully...
If they asked me, I would prefer Yon Two Crows to Kingdom of Gold, but otherwise I can live with this set extremely well! Gone are the days of always the same...
Imagine being on a show, not knowing what's next! Even after Romeo you don't know! How great is that? Nearly Mr. Bob-feeling... :)
LE
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I think it's not a bad setlist - lots of good songs, just need SOS back, especially on some of my concerts! ::) ;D
LE - Ironically, Mr Bob is taking a leaf out of MK's old book these days! ;)
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Would be nice if Mark and the Band still not just change the setlist after the first 5-6 songs.
But in general, i'm happy with the changing setlists.
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From Richards diary...
" From the band's point of view it was the best show of the tour so far, no technical problems, great playing, fresh set."
Not promising for Sultans future..or ???
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Here's the setlist: http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/mark-knopfler/2013/arena-zagreb-croatia-73d80675.html
Complete as I guess...
:thumbsup :clap However, let me edit my response from yesterday...this is definitely the worst setlist so far :-\
Why ? At least san is here
That is true, but for me bringing in SAN cannot compensate for missing SoS, HA, YTC..and to replace them; PW and GB :disbelief
ONLY ToL can compensate for SoS..but then again Tunnel can compensate for anything! ;D
+10.
Actually if TOL was played, even if it was the one and only song played in the set, this would still be the best set list of the past 21 years for me :)
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Here's the setlist: http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/mark-knopfler/2013/arena-zagreb-croatia-73d80675.html
Complete as I guess...
:thumbsup :clap However, let me edit my response from yesterday...this is definitely the worst setlist so far :-\
Why ? At least san is here
That is true, but for me bringing in SAN cannot compensate for missing SoS, HA, YTC..and to replace them; PW and GB :disbelief
ONLY ToL can compensate for SoS..but then again Tunnel can compensate for anything! ;D
+10.
Actually if TOL was played, even if it was the one and only song played in the set, this would still be the best set list of the past 21 years for me :)
+ 1.000.000 :D
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Here's the setlist: http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/mark-knopfler/2013/arena-zagreb-croatia-73d80675.html
Complete as I guess...
:thumbsup :clap However, let me edit my response from yesterday...this is definitely the worst setlist so far :-\
Why ? At least san is here
That is true, but for me bringing in SAN cannot compensate for missing SoS, HA, YTC..and to replace them; PW and GB :disbelief
ONLY ToL can compensate for SoS..but then again Tunnel can compensate for anything! ;D
+10.
Actually if TOL was played, even if it was the one and only song played in the set, this would still be the best set list of the past 21 years for me :)
+ 1.000.000 :D
Hum, after 21 years, without luck despite having attended two shows in '92, if I am not in the house that night I would kill myself!
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I like the songs from the new album in the set but again i must say, no Sultans makes me very :'( I really can't see why ge dropped that song and if he does dan replace the song for another "big one". Not for Sonny!!!
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I like the songs from the new album in the set but again i must say, no Sultans makes me very :'( I really can't see why ge dropped that song and if he does dan replace the song for another "big one". Not for Sonny!!!
Totally agree...tha lack of Sultans make me loose my focus at work! :disbelief If its gone tomorrow as well I dunno what to think... :think
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From a totally selfish point of view, Sultans being out is not a problem to me. I
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From a totally selfish point of view, Sultans being out is not a problem to me. I
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I'm curious what MK will do with the Sultans in places like Antwerp, Amsterdam, Berlin, London and Paris.
Netherlands is the first country after the UK where DS had a big hit with that song.
I can not believe he will not play it there..... Places like Anwerp and so on are also big venues who are (almost) sold out for let us say 15/20.000 people.
With this in mind will he also drop Sultans??? Perhaps i'm totaly wrong here with my reasons.... What do you think?? :think
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The only only person who knows about it won't answer.
Now almost everything is possible in dropping the undroppable ones...
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From a totally selfish point of view, Sultans being out is not a problem to me. I
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Someone said Bruce Springsteen plays 200 songs during his tours, does he play Born To Run or Born in the USA at every concert.
I've never seen the Boss live and if I went to one of his concert I'd like to hear his classics (the 2 mentioned before, The River, Hungry heart, Lucky town, Human touch, Streets of Philadelphia and so on). With 200 songs played, I guess only one or two classics get played, no ? (though I'm not sure because his concerts are very long, sometimes almost 4 hours....)
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As far as I know, regular fans can encounter a Springsteen-concert without hits like The River, Hungry Heart, Born to Run, Born in the USA etc, but I still feel that Sultans is a major milestone in MKs career, dunno if Springsteen had any such defining hits that created his career..?
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I just woke up after long night drive. I'm on the phone so got no finger skills to contact admins to properly update setlist on main topic post, and I can't remember fully correct order of the songs anyway, but for those who are interested (until admins edit it properly), here is what I got in memory;
1: What it is
2: CBC
3: Privat.
4: FAS+HF'Blues
5: Kingdom OG
6: I used TC
7: R&J
8: Gator B
9: Postcards
10: P Wedd.
11: MarbleT
12: S@N
13: Tel R. (With lightning "glitch")
Enc
BiA
So far (awfull song to end, no proper goodbye cheering moment).
If I'm countered this right, did we being cutted by -1 song in overall?
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From a totally selfish point of view, Sultans being out is not a problem to me. I
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MK ended DS 20 years ago for going smaller and less known again.
Does he want to blow it up again?
Does he want to please former DS fans who - after 20 years - finally noticed it's him?
I doubt it...
That's why I never understood why he kept playing all these songs.
Great, but DS...
:)
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But why refer to the "DS songs" because it was then advertised as a band but solely composed and written by Mark?
Some his solo works are nearly 20 years old now, and yes the DS era songs are even older.
It doesn't make much difference between the DS days and the solo era to me, there are just song that I'd like to hear and some I would not, like WOL and Liston being at the top of my list.
If Mark would perform "It Never rains" (not a DS hit) or "Silvertown Blues" I would be hugely delighted in both case, or for more recent one, "So Far From The Clyde" is THE song I am hoping for.
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Someone said Bruce Springsteen plays 200 songs during his tours, does he play Born To Run or Born in the USA at every concert.
I've never seen the Boss live and if I went to one of his concert I'd like to hear his classics (the 2 mentioned before, The River, Hungry heart, Lucky town, Human touch, Streets of Philadelphia and so on). With 200 songs played, I guess only one or two classics get played, no ? (though I'm not sure because his concerts are very long, sometimes almost 4 hours....)
The thing about Springsteen is that he, as you say, plays for 3,5-4 hours. That means 30-35 songs on one show, and there is always several hits, although the setlist might be completely different from the night before. I guess there is just so many well known songs to pick from, and some songs are of course played more often than others. Dancing in the Dark and Born to Run for instance. These are Springsteen's answer to hits like Sultans of Swing and Money for Nothing, I suppose... However, Springsteen also always pick out more of those songs the fans want to hear, B-sides, etc., and with 30-35 songs every night there is no way you will be dissapointed. I think that a song like Sultans of Swing never should be left out. It was DS' first single, and he has played it live every night since. I think it is the song that defines his guitar sound, and I am really having trouble with understanding why he decides to leave it now - when he plays it better than he has done for the last ten years. It is a mystery, but then again - Mark can be quite mysterious...
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I think that the main problem is that SOS is played some nights and not at others.
Because in 2006 and 20011 it has never been performed and no discussion has erupted then.
So if dropped from the very first 2013 night it would have turned to be "another one gone" such as it happened in 2008 when MFN was left out.
The big question after all is not to leave SOS but what song to replace it. And to date the chosen ones are not of the calibre of SOS.
Just my 0.02
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I think that the main problem is that SOS is played some nights and not at others.
Because in 2006 and 20011 it has never been performed and no discussion has erupted then.
So if dropped from the very first 2013 night it would have turned to be "another one gone" such as it happened in 2008 when MFN was left out.
The big question after all is not to leave SOS but what song to replace it. And to date the chosen ones are not of the calibre of SOS.
Just my 0.02
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But why refer to the "DS songs" because it was then advertised as a band but solely composed and written by Mark?
I only make a difference because MK made it himself.
He wanted DS to be history.
He wanted the huge venues to be in the past.
He wanted to be touring with a small number of roadies to know personally...
That's why I wonder, and hey, just as the DS fans, I as an MK fan have a right, too, to be disappointed.
Disappointed to get DS instead if MK...!
Just kidding, but I really wish for an MK-solo-set only
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It will probably not mean diddly squat to anyone on here but I am going to post this last message of here section of the forum.
I'm utterly dismayed with some of the stuff written of late regarding the songs that MK has played. Let's be very clear, it is a personal choice what he wishes to bring to his live performance. His catalogue of songs is massive and rightly so.... he's been writing and recording songs for 35 years now.
All this nonsense of "I can't believe he's not played Sultans" is utterly bewildering to me..... so what? I say this from the view point of being a mega DS/Knopfler fan.... We have had the privilege over all the years to see a master at work, a master writing year in, year out remarkable songs of beauty. I'd love to hear Sultans when or if I get a chance to see him live but I'd Equally love to hear other songs that have been dropped of never performed before. Get real..... he is never going to please everyone, It's a rather beautiful predicament to be in from Knopfler's point of view.
Also on the subject of some people's comments regarding "mistakes" in sultans etc... again, get real.... he's human, long have the days gone where we didn't have access to youtube and other media sites to show every single nook and cranny of an artist's performance.... EVERYONE makes mistakes, always have, always will, WE JUST NEVER GOT THE CHANCE TO HEAR THEM... stop living in the past where we only had recordings of Alchemy, Basel etc and understand that we are privy these days to see every solitary bit..
Whilst on the subject of Sultans... Knopfler's performances this tour have been stella pretty much so far.... he's a demon on guitar and who else really does do the business like him any more, particularly near their mid sixties?
Anyway, Rant over.... enjoy what we hear and embrace what we have left with Knopfler.... Rock On
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Nice post. Didn't understand the first line though - I hope you will not leave the forum but only mean to stop posting here at this thread.
Not long ago (one week?) I found myself in the middle of some action that with maybe was caused by too much sun and too many new songs in a too short time played by Mark. I was angry for 30 minutes and after that - I learned: let them talk. If they feel better after it - it''s ok. This forum might be the right place for it. It is difficult to keep up with all these posts in the last days, and flying through hundreds of posts and reading all the same all the time is quite annoying maybe, but maybe it is part of the balance of the forum. I think that the key is MK's outstanding and exceptional long and active career. He really plays music since 1978, releasing albums, doing tours and stuff... So it is logical to me that over this immense timeframe, he appealed to lots of people from lots of countries with lots of different ages... and that's the secret.. this forum is a melting pot of very different people from all kind of places, from 17 (?) to 80 (?) ... so it is just normal that these world collide sometimes... Just don't feel the need to answer them, don't try to convert them, just let them talk. You will always find people that are on the same page with you for sure among these AMITERS who after all happen to be a pretty nice bunch of people all over all...
Reading 5 minutes the posts on ER might heal anyone from thinking that this place is tiring at times...
:)
LE
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It will probably not mean diddly squat to anyone on here but I am going to post this last message of here section of the forum.
I'm utterly dismayed with some of the stuff written of late regarding the songs that MK has played. Let's be very clear, it is a personal choice what he wishes to bring to his live performance. His catalogue of songs is massive and rightly so.... he's been writing and recording songs for 35 years now.
All this nonsense of "I can't believe he's not played Sultans" is utterly bewildering to me..... so what? I say this from the view point of being a mega DS/Knopfler fan.... We have had the privilege over all the years to see a master at work, a master writing year in, year out remarkable songs of beauty. I'd love to hear Sultans when or if I get a chance to see him live but I'd Equally love to hear other songs that have been dropped of never performed before. Get real..... he is never going to please everyone, It's a rather beautiful predicament to be in from Knopfler's point of view.
Also on the subject of some people's comments regarding "mistakes" in sultans etc... again, get real.... he's human, long have the days gone where we didn't have access to youtube and other media sites to show every single nook and cranny of an artist's performance.... EVERYONE makes mistakes, always have, always will, WE JUST NEVER GOT THE CHANCE TO HEAR THEM... stop living in the past where we only had recordings of Alchemy, Basel etc and understand that we are privy these days to see every solitary bit..
Whilst on the subject of Sultans... Knopfler's performances this tour have been stella pretty much so far.... he's a demon on guitar and who else really does do the business like him any more, particularly near their mid sixties?
Anyway, Rant over.... enjoy what we hear and embrace what we have left with Knopfler.... Rock On
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SOS in an historic, iconic song so it deserve a discussion here even if we disagree about it.
When comes the time you don't get pleasure going listen to Mark anymore then it is time to stop to going listening him. But it can be a very difficult decision to take or to admit you have to especially if you have been in love with its music for decade(s)...
But as long as you feel the need to speak about it, in good or in bad, it is that there is still passion for it.
And Mark is very lucky to still have enough fan to fill the room and allow him to tour every two years or so. If he had not been huge in a past life I would not bet he could get so many people to come to listen songs like True Love Will Never Fade...
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Reading 5 minutes the posts on ER might heal anyone from thinking that this place is tiring at times...
:)
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ER ?? ??
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Expecting Rain, Bob Dylan's fan forum... have no link at hand at the mo...
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OK thanks.
Not familiar, but no link needed ;)
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Someone said Bruce Springsteen plays 200 songs during his tours, does he play Born To Run or Born in the USA at every concert.
I've never seen the Boss live and if I went to one of his concert I'd like to hear his classics (the 2 mentioned before, The River, Hungry heart, Lucky town, Human touch, Streets of Philadelphia and so on). With 200 songs played, I guess only one or two classics get played, no ? (though I'm not sure because his concerts are very long, sometimes almost 4 hours....)
The thing about Springsteen is that he, as you say, plays for 3,5-4 hours. That means 30-35 songs on one show, and there is always several hits, although the setlist might be completely different from the night before. I guess there is just so many well known songs to pick from, and some songs are of course played more often than others. Dancing in the Dark and Born to Run for instance. These are Springsteen's answer to hits like Sultans of Swing and Money for Nothing, I suppose... However, Springsteen also always pick out more of those songs the fans want to hear, B-sides, etc., and with 30-35 songs every night there is no way you will be dissapointed. I think that a song like Sultans of Swing never should be left out. It was DS' first single, and he has played it live every night since. I think it is the song that defines his guitar sound, and I am really having trouble with understanding why he decides to leave it now - when he plays it better than he has done for the last ten years. It is a mystery, but then again - Mark can be quite mysterious...
I saw Bruce in 93. I don't remember exactly all songs played.
At this time, there wasn't the "public-whish-ste-list" thing
I remember for sure :
born in the USA (introduced by the star spangled banner played in Hendrix style by Bruce himself)
the river
because the night
several acoustics tunes (from tom joad, and maybe from nebraska)
I don't remember (but it doesn't mean for sure they weren't played):
hungry heart
darkness
born to run
same year, I saw Santana, and I remember very well that he did NOT played Europa, and I was very disapointed.
I was in 1st row, with a huge fan (he met santana sevreal times), and he wasn't disapointed at all
a little bit the same thing we discuss here :
hadrcore fans don't really care for hits
occasionnal fans expect the usual hits
But, I do think that Sultans should be played every MK gig. Strange that he never dropped Romeo (not in 2006, not in 2011-2012), but he dropped sultans.
That means, that he thinks that Romeo is a more "iconic" song from his career, than sultans ?
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hahah yeah I meant this part of the forum as in the Privateering tour section :)
Anyway, I've made myself pretty clear and thanks to anyone who understands what my stance is :)
Keep Knopflering everyone
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I think that the main problem is that SOS is played some nights and not at others.
Because in 2006 and 20011 it has never been performed and no discussion has erupted then.
So if dropped from the very first 2013 night it would have turned to be "another one gone" such as it happened in 2008 when MFN was left out.
The big question after all is not to leave SOS but what song to replace it. And to date the chosen ones are not of the calibre of SOS.
Just my 0.02
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But, I do think that Sultans should be played every MK gig. Strange that he never dropped Romeo (not in 2006, not in 2011-2012), but he dropped sultans.
That means, that he thinks that Romeo is a more "iconic" song from his career, than sultans ?
Mark stated that R&J was his fave (DS) song.
I can only remember the NHB gigs to drop that one and otherwise keep some DS tunes in the setlist (Calling Elvis, Water Of Love & Why Worry).
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It will probably not mean diddly squat to anyone on here but I am going to post this last message of here section of the forum.
I'm utterly dismayed with some of the stuff written of late regarding the songs that MK has played. Let's be very clear, it is a personal choice what he wishes to bring to his live performance. His catalogue of songs is massive and rightly so.... he's been writing and recording songs for 35 years now.
All this nonsense of "I can't believe he's not played Sultans" is utterly bewildering to me..... so what? I say this from the view point of being a mega DS/Knopfler fan.... We have had the privilege over all the years to see a master at work, a master writing year in, year out remarkable songs of beauty. I'd love to hear Sultans when or if I get a chance to see him live but I'd Equally love to hear other songs that have been dropped of never performed before. Get real..... he is never going to please everyone, It's a rather beautiful predicament to be in from Knopfler's point of view.
Also on the subject of some people's comments regarding "mistakes" in sultans etc... again, get real.... he's human, long have the days gone where we didn't have access to youtube and other media sites to show every single nook and cranny of an artist's performance.... EVERYONE makes mistakes, always have, always will, WE JUST NEVER GOT THE CHANCE TO HEAR THEM... stop living in the past where we only had recordings of Alchemy, Basel etc and understand that we are privy these days to see every solitary bit..
Whilst on the subject of Sultans... Knopfler's performances this tour have been stella pretty much so far.... he's a demon on guitar and who else really does do the business like him any more, particularly near their mid sixties?
Anyway, Rant over.... enjoy what we hear and embrace what we have left with Knopfler.... Rock On
I've always read the forum, but never posted. But there has been much more debate this tour and I wanted to add my thoughts.
I always get to a few gigs each tour, I'm 29, so never watched Dire Straits in their day sadly :'(
In short, Sultans Of Swing has to be played. Fact. People that go to the gigs will ALL agree, the tracks that get the loudest cheers, the tracks which get the standing ovations, the tracks that 99% of the crowd enjoy the most and go to see, are the classic.
These are Sultans, Romeo, So Far Away, Brothers In Arms, Telegraph Road etc etc.
I would personally choose him to play more Dire Straits songs, I would personally prefer 80% DS 20% solo. These are the songs that made him famous, these are (80% wise) the best songs he ever produced. And I know I speak for 99% of the crowd that go to these gigs.... There would be meyhem if they started the waltz to Tunnel of Love. The crowd would burst. We all know this.
Sadly lots of Knopflers solo songs are poor. Many are slow. Many are boring. There are a few good ones, there are a few exceptional ones. Sadly though, even these are omitted from his live shows.
Knopfler is however class, in all ways. As a person, as a songwriter, as a guitarist, as a performer.
The band are world-class, but some of the songs they choose to play are not. It's a shame. Knopfler has so many amazing songs, it's a shame he doesn't play more of them. Confusing even.
Dropping Sultans for song for sonny liston, I'm sorry, this is not only the worst decision in music history, it's an insult to fans that PAY to go and watch these concerts. If it wasn't for the fans, knopfler and co couldn't and wouldn't tour. It's a decision they make before the show, and if one person can give a valid reason for Sultans not being played I'd like to hear it.
I'm sure most people that post here have been to a concert. You are living in denial if you don't see the reaction to the DS classics compared to the mostly dull solo songs.
I don't understand the decision of the band behind it, but it's an insult.
The band are amazing, and always a joy to watch. But jesus, they could be so much better and so much more enjoyable if they played the world class songs at their disposal instead of the 6/7 dull songs they seem to continue to play. I'm sure you won't all agree with my comments, but go to a concert, and tell me if what I'm saying is wrong.
The bottom line - If Knopfler doesn't play sultans its a slap in the face to the paying public, the ones that allow him to tour, and allow him to have such an amazing lifestyle. I hope he knows deep down which his best songs are, I'm sure he does, when he hears the cheers and excitement well he plays them. Song For Sonny Liston - please, don't make me laugh.....
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One good valid reason : he's the artist.
We take it or we leave it.
But I'm pretty sure that despite dropping SOS there will be still a great amount of people to keep going to his shows.
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One good valid reason : he's the artist.
We take it or we leave it.
But I'm pretty sure that despite dropping SOS there will be still a great amount of people to keep going to his shows.
Why go against 99%?
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One good valid reason : he's the artist.
We take it or we leave it.
But I'm pretty sure that despite dropping SOS there will be still a great amount of people to keep going to his shows.
Why go against 99%?
He has chosen to be a free man and play what he likes not what "we" would like him to play.
He is not a "crowd pleaser" artist. And if the 1% remaining is enough to fill the room where he plays it's OK to him. Otherwise he would not have dissolved DS and would be "
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It will probably not mean diddly squat to anyone on here but I am going to post this last message of here section of the forum.
I'm utterly dismayed with some of the stuff written of late regarding the songs that MK has played. Let's be very clear, it is a personal choice what he wishes to bring to his live performance. His catalogue of songs is massive and rightly so.... he's been writing and recording songs for 35 years now.
All this nonsense of "I can't believe he's not played Sultans" is utterly bewildering to me..... so what? I say this from the view point of being a mega DS/Knopfler fan.... We have had the privilege over all the years to see a master at work, a master writing year in, year out remarkable songs of beauty. I'd love to hear Sultans when or if I get a chance to see him live but I'd Equally love to hear other songs that have been dropped of never performed before. Get real..... he is never going to please everyone, It's a rather beautiful predicament to be in from Knopfler's point of view.
Also on the subject of some people's comments regarding "mistakes" in sultans etc... again, get real.... he's human, long have the days gone where we didn't have access to youtube and other media sites to show every single nook and cranny of an artist's performance.... EVERYONE makes mistakes, always have, always will, WE JUST NEVER GOT THE CHANCE TO HEAR THEM... stop living in the past where we only had recordings of Alchemy, Basel etc and understand that we are privy these days to see every solitary bit..
Whilst on the subject of Sultans... Knopfler's performances this tour have been stella pretty much so far.... he's a demon on guitar and who else really does do the business like him any more, particularly near their mid sixties?
Anyway, Rant over.... enjoy what we hear and embrace what we have left with Knopfler.... Rock On
I've always read the forum, but never posted. But there has been much more debate this tour and I wanted to add my thoughts.
I always get to a few gigs each tour, I'm 29, so never watched Dire Straits in their day sadly :'(
In short, Sultans Of Swing has to be played. Fact. People that go to the gigs will ALL agree, the tracks that get the loudest cheers, the tracks which get the standing ovations, the tracks that 99% of the crowd enjoy the most and go to see, are the classic.
These are Sultans, Romeo, So Far Away, Brothers In Arms, Telegraph Road etc etc.
I would personally choose him to play more Dire Straits songs, I would personally prefer 80% DS 20% solo. These are the songs that made him famous, these are (80% wise) the best songs he ever produced. And I know I speak for 99% of the crowd that go to these gigs.... There would be meyhem if they started the waltz to Tunnel of Love. The crowd would burst. We all know this.
Sadly lots of Knopflers solo songs are poor. Many are slow. Many are boring. There are a few good ones, there are a few exceptional ones. Sadly though, even these are omitted from his live shows.
Knopfler is however class, in all ways. As a person, as a songwriter, as a guitarist, as a performer.
The band are world-class, but some of the songs they choose to play are not. It's a shame. Knopfler has so many amazing songs, it's a shame he doesn't play more of them. Confusing even.
Dropping Sultans for song for sonny liston, I'm sorry, this is not only the worst decision in music history, it's an insult to fans that PAY to go and watch these concerts. If it wasn't for the fans, knopfler and co couldn't and wouldn't tour. It's a decision they make before the show, and if one person can give a valid reason for Sultans not being played I'd like to hear it.
I'm sure most people that post here have been to a concert. You are living in denial if you don't see the reaction to the DS classics compared to the mostly dull solo songs.
I don't understand the decision of the band behind it, but it's an insult.
The band are amazing, and always a joy to watch. But jesus, they could be so much better and so much more enjoyable if they played the world class songs at their disposal instead of the 6/7 dull songs they seem to continue to play. I'm sure you won't all agree with my comments, but go to a concert, and tell me if what I'm saying is wrong.
The bottom line - If Knopfler doesn't play sultans its a slap in the face to the paying public, the ones that allow him to tour, and allow him to have such an amazing lifestyle. I hope he knows deep down which his best songs are, I'm sure he does, when he hears the cheers and excitement well he plays them. Song For Sonny Liston - please, don't make me laugh.....
Interesting and frank thoughts, I appreciate them :) And I must say, I am even younger than you, only 26, I was also never able to experience DS live, I think this is one main difference between us here in the forum, I have the feeling that the ones of you whose old enough to have followed MK through most of his career and in practice could have been able to hear f.ex Sultans live since 1978, is more "tired" of, doesnt care that much, and doesnt understand the reasoning for us fans who has not had the privilege to experience these classics over a couple of decades. For some of you its just complaints and rants. Just a thought tough, dont shoot me :) ;)
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Reading all this there is one thing that also really botters me. More frustrating.
How much i love the music of MK he realy has a hand of not playing the best songs of his albums in concert.
Now i am only talking about solo albums. In my opinion songs like Golden Heart, Silvertown Blues, We can get wild, In the Sky, So far from the Clyde, The Submariner, are truly beautifull. Some have been played( i believe only GH) have been played live but that is many many years ago.
Will the others who i think are the best songs of the albums and i think some of you will agree, will we ever have those songs on a concert..
I also was surprised and happy to read that 5.15 AM was played. That one was also on my list.
Dont get me wrong, again i love his music, will go to concerts but i often think he's not playing his most beautifull songs of his solo albums....
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Reading all this there is one thing that also really botters me. More frustrating.
How much i love the music of MK he realy has a hand of not playing the best songs of his albums in concert.
Now i am only talking about solo albums. In my opinion songs like Golden Heart, Silvertown Blues, We can get wild, In the Sky, So far from the Clyde, The Submariner, are truly beautifull. Some have been played( i believe only GH) have been played live but that is many many years ago.
Will the others who i think are the best songs of the albums and i think some of you will agree, will we ever have those songs on a concert..
I also was surprised and happy to read that 5.15 AM was played. That one was also on my list.
Dont get me wrong, again i love his music, will go to concerts but i often think he's not playing his most beautifull songs of his solo albums....
Yes, I agree because I also like the songs you mention above, but again it is highly subjective :) I would also love to hear f.ex Devil Baby, Im the fool, Darling Pretty, The Fizzy and The Still etc. Nevertheless, I think it is cool too express ones opinions even though we cant do sh** about what the great MK chooses to play. I mean what else could be discussed in a forum besides subjective opinions..would be highly uninteresting if you ask me :)
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In my opinion songs like Golden Heart, Silvertown Blues, We can get wild, In the Sky, So far from the Clyde, The Submariner, are truly beautifull. Some have been played( i believe only GH) have been played live but that is many many years ago.
Hell yeah! But talking about SOS, so sad that he pulled it out from the set, but if Mark "tired" of playing Sultans - he must choose another epic DS song. For my opinion it can be 'On Every Street', 'Your Latest Trick' or MFN (why not?!)
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In my opinion songs like Golden Heart, Silvertown Blues, We can get wild, In the Sky, So far from the Clyde, The Submariner, are truly beautifull. Some have been played( i believe only GH) have been played live but that is many many years ago.
Hell yeah! But talking about SOS, so sad that he pulled it out from the set, but if Mark "tired" of playing Sultans - he must choose another epic DS song. For my opinion it can be 'On Every Street', 'Your Latest Trick' or MFN (why not?!)
I think Guy also said recently that they are not tired of any of the songs they play, so lets hope this is not a permanent decision and that SOS is back tomorrow! :)
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i don't think guy would ever admit that they are tired about this or that as they are putting on a show that people have paid to see and it would indicate that they are not putting 100% into it-and they do put 100% into it although they could play a couple of more songs each night.
My take is that he see the DS songs as a monkey on his back and has played them only to fill halls and that there will be some audience recognition.
To me its totally strange that he didn't play songs from albums on the tour but plays them many tours later.Makes no sense.
On this tour the amount of changes is unprecidented and i think a response to what the people who buy his albums want.
If he was really interested in playing DS songs he would rotate them with other DS songs -something that is not happening.
So for me its all good.I am only going to one show at the RAH although i am trying to fit another one in and there will be a great sense of anticipation,much greater than previously.
So for me its all good.There are no songs that have to be played every night.Its a Priviteering tour not a DS tour.
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i don't think guy would ever admit that they are tired about this or that as they are putting on a show that people have paid to see and it would indicate that they are not putting 100% into it-and they do put 100% into it although they could play a couple of more songs each night.
That is probably true, that said, MK has not seemed tired of the old songs this tour, seems they have renewed energy and enthusiasm, thats why it is a bit strange to me
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I love reading and participating in the discussions here and to see different fans' points of view.
However, what bothers me - and I wrote it before - is the disrespect towards the artist all here pretend to be fans of.
If his songs are so dull and poor, then how come you think he has class in songwriting?
And if his concerts are so bad, then how come you think he has class in performing?
Just for the record:
He earned the big money long ago and he earned it in every way!
He can afford to do or not to do what he likes.
He doesn't tour for money any more.
He doesn't owe anybody anything.
The very least his fans.
(Someone wrote something similar recently about what attitude a fan can have... Don't remember who and where. Too many posts recently to follow...
Jbaent maybe? Anyway, it cheered me up very much.)
Last but not least: the "older" fans aren't necessarily tired of the old songs.
But they have maybe accompanied MK's development and appreciate his solo work as something not so dull...
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Well said, moat. I would be more than happy to attend even one of these concerts just to breathe the same air... no to mention all the highest level emotions that I always have whenever experiencing MK live. Can't do it this time.
By the way, moat, our signatures say it all! :)
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By the way, moat, our signatures say it all! :)
:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :)
Sorry you can't come over this tour :(
Would also have been nice to meet... ;)
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Last but not least: the "older" fans aren't necessarily tired of the old songs.
But they have maybe accompanied MK's development and appreciate his solo work as something not so dull...
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As you are setting this in context with my question/statement above; dont remember me saying anything about dull anywhere MOAT? That came from someone else in one of the threads just to make that clear..! I for one do not find it dull at all, I just never had the opportunity to experience DS and my quota of certain songs is therefore not filled up..easy as that. For the record I do not remember anyone expressing directly that MKs concerts are bad and that all his songs are dull and poor.. I think you take things a bit out of context and read too much into it here..
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dannr, it was a reply to knopfler83 with some generalization and my own point of view ;)
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dannr, it was a reply to knopfler83 with some generalization and my own point of view ;)
Aha, Im with you, dont want you to misunderstand me here ;)
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Mark plays what he likes, regardless if they are from the old days or not. There are no difference between a DS song or a solo song, he wrote them all, they are just song written at different time of his life. Over the years he still find joy to perform some and not some others.
The other thing is shorter is the show the more complicated is to establish a setlist (especially when some of the songs clock over the ten minutes long).
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(Someone wrote something similar recently about what attitude a fan can have... Don't remember who and where....
maybe this?
....there is people who by the mere fact of being a fan claims by the artist as if it was his right. the "job" of the fan is to give, not to ask. one becomes a fan not as a favor to the artist but to satisfy his own need. demanding has nothing to do with being a fan since the artist doesn't "owe" anything. certainly he can do something to please the fans but this is not his duty
.....the fan has the right to comment, to criticize, to complain ..... and then, to stop going to concerts, to stop buying albums,.....until to stop being a fan, without prior notice and without having to send a cancellation
of course it's just my way of looking at a fan and is not necessarily valid for all.
There are so many moments and so many activities of daily life that make us angry or that bring us bad mood. if we are able to keep out the music from all this, we gain ;)
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I fully agree with your quote from April 28, 2013, 09:18:29 AM.
But we have passion and we are wishfull to get some songs that says something to us.
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certainly a critical sense should not miss. but what makes me a little sad is that some of the comments seem to reveal a sort of acrimony that I would not expect to find on this forum. but maybe it's just an impression, or perhaps a different way of loving. On the other hand, I'm positive that we all share an underlying love for the music of Mark: otherwise why we would be writing here?
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Yes rudiger, I meant your post! :)
Very well said. Also your latest comment just above here :)
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certainly a critical sense should not miss. but what makes me a little sad is that some of the comments seem to reveal a sort of acrimony that I would not expect to find on this forum. but maybe it's just an impression, or perhaps a different way of loving. On the other hand, I'm positive that we all share an underlying love for the music of Mark: otherwise why we would be writing here?
And that is very much agreed. I just think we are a bunch of engaged fans, althoug we share a similar passion and love for MKs music, we also have our differences and we do express ourselves in different ways. The love is mutual. All in all, (as said before) what would this forum be if we cannot openly express our thoughts amongst fellow MKers :)
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certainly a critical sense should not miss. but what makes me a little sad is that some of the comments seem to reveal a sort of acrimony that I would not expect to find on this forum. but maybe it's just an impression, or perhaps a different way of loving. On the other hand, I'm positive that we all share an underlying love for the music of Mark: otherwise why we would be writing here?
And that is very much agreed. I just think we are a bunch of engaged fans, althoug we share a similar passion and love for MKs music, we also have our differences and we do express ourselves in different ways. The love is mutual. All in all, (as said before) what would this forum be if we cannot openly express our thoughts amongst fellow MKers :)
Very very well said !! :thumbsup :clap :clap :clap
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By the way, moat, our signatures say it all! :)
That
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Here is some comments from Croatian Music newspaper about the show in Zagreb. Becouse i am not so good in english, i translated with Google Translate, i hope it will be ok. But mostly they are criticized for some things.
I was on the this show and for me was perfect....two three anomalies occur at every concert.
http://www.muzika.hr/clanak/41563/vijesti/zagrebacki-koncert-marka-knopflera-najbolji-na-turneji-tvrdi-bend.aspx
Mark Knopfler held on 5 May in Zagreb Arena concert that polarized his fan base.
With reports written by visitors to the show, there are those who write internal band members themselves in the form of a diary from the tour. And the two most important men in Knopflerovom band instrumentalists Guy Fletcher (mostly for keyboards) and Richard Bennett (usually with a guitar), wrote that he looked concert in Zagreb, from their perspective.
Those who have watched Knopfler 2008th the Sports Dome will remember that in the orchestra were plastic chairs (Fletcher had not missed the joke on that account), and probably all were relieved when he saw that the white plastic chair in the Arena still missing.
From the house of sports remember the plastic chairs / photo: Tomislav Capan
Maybe the reason is slightly inferior and unimaginative gig was tired, because - as he says Guy Fletcher - the team that day flew from Prague, and the same day they were waiting for the return back. For a long time they spent at the sound check, but during the show may have noticed some difficulties. Author of this text spotted them at least a few: the sound of the piano, which in some areas as it did not belong to the same tonality, which was the band (We can draw a parallel with the "Jump" Van Halen), to beginner mistakes like that when he started playing Knopfler / sing, and they forgot to 'boost'.
If this is nitpicking, then everyone in the Arena who followed the stage had a question mark appears above his head when the whole band at the very beginning, "Telegraph Road" 'dove' in the dark.
Guy Fletcher explained that at one time in charge of counter lighting simply 'blew' (not a human error), and the band on stage is the most mind you have not heard. Headphones in my ears stopped following orders: Richard Bennett in one ear has heard high in the second bass. Problems of the same or similar type, he also was Knopfler.
In Zagreb, the best concert tour to that point / photo: Bozidar Bre
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Thanks for that bade25 - very interesting.
I found this last part most interesting indeed:
"Many will say in defense of omission "Sultans of Swing" to mention that this is still the tour promoting "privateering" and it is logical that plays songs from that album. When Knopfler promote the album "Kill To Get Crimson" with him in Zagreb played just two songs.
Songs from Dire Straits periods are not as measure of quality as a minimum correctness criterion that you need to expect at the concert when the ticket is written the name of Mark Knopfler. And that is what is absent here. Even not talking about songs that are not played, but the most bezvoljnoj interpretation of songs that he played.
Paul McCartney, for example, is much more aware of the heritage and (somewhat) responsibility towards the audience, so it will not happen to his concert, you hear the songs of The Beatles. And is not that the band had the same role as Knopfler of Dire Straits, and not that he is the second part of his career better or more important than the first. David Gilmour is also a nice example of correctness, and Sting.
At the end of the conjecture that the first concerts the band just a good opportunity for training and technicians to test equipment before the 'real' European appearances could be true."
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Thanks for that bade25 - very interesting.
I found this last part most interesting indeed:
"Many will say in defense of omission "Sultans of Swing" to mention that this is still the tour promoting "privateering" and it is logical that plays songs from that album. When Knopfler promote the album "Kill To Get Crimson" with him in Zagreb played just two songs.
Songs from Dire Straits periods are not as measure of quality as a minimum correctness criterion that you need to expect at the concert when the ticket is written the name of Mark Knopfler. And that is what is absent here. Even not talking about songs that are not played, but the most bezvoljnoj interpretation of songs that he played.
Paul McCartney, for example, is much more aware of the heritage and (somewhat) responsibility towards the audience, so it will not happen to his concert, you hear the songs of The Beatles. And is not that the band had the same role as Knopfler of Dire Straits, and not that he is the second part of his career better or more important than the first. David Gilmour is also a nice example of correctness, and Sting.
At the end of the conjecture that the first concerts the band just a good opportunity for training and technicians to test equipment before the 'real' European appearances could be true."
We can here now start another debate :D The argument is back , the argument is back ! :)
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Hm, I find quite interesting some attitudes of people who heard MK live more than tens of times saying "I got no problems to hear TR, SFSL, SFA a hundreds of times, but yes, I got something against those who complaining about not hearing SOS even it was a pure once in a lifetime chance for them".
I remember going back from last Zagreb gig in 2008 and all you could see was a happy crowd all around. This time (if skipping SOS is not a big deal) why did I hear a couple of not so quiet at all "UUUUUUUUUUU's" mass shouting after was clear that bend was not coming back after last encore? (it was clear in 08 also that gig is over, but all were happy + we're get a proper good bye ending song as GH) Why did I stumble upon two guys refusing to leave seats any playing SOS for their own souls (in pure meaning of that phrase), one by "drumming" on his knees and singing, and other "singing" guitar riffs "pa ram paaa" :D? Why you could hear a dozens of comments walking out through crowd, all negative? While in WC you could even hear people talking in bad mood from side cabinets also.
I also remember how the whole gig goes on fire after SOS, and never loose energy till end. Everyone sitting till SOS, after, nobody sits again even on slower songs like BiA. Does the gig without SOS have that sort of emotional climax? Don't think so.
Well, if for Mark is fine to having climax free concerts which ends up in bitter atmosphere, it's fine for me to. And if for other HC fans all those disappointed people are those who should not be there in the first place, fine too, but that is the reality of the situation.