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Title: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: H97 on July 16, 2013, 04:21:00 PM
In 2012 a list with all most all official versions of songs by Michael Jackson was published. I
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: ingridswing on July 16, 2013, 04:40:57 PM
Hi Hugo97,
Wow, great job. Haven't time to go through it now, but this is a real gem for our database  :clap
Thanks, keep up the good work
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: H97 on July 16, 2013, 09:39:40 PM
Hi Hugo97,
Wow, great job. Haven't time to go through it now, but this is a real gem for our database  :clap
Thanks, keep up the good work

Hi Ingrid! Thanks for your kind words :) I really appreciate it!

By the way: Tunnel Of Love has been updated ;)
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: H97 on July 17, 2013, 11:01:16 AM
Updates on Romeo And Juliet, Industrial Disease and Badges, Posters... :)
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Post by: Ar (aka Enlight) on July 17, 2013, 03:20:06 PM
Nice Job ,

I can tell because I have them myself that "Money for Nothing" and "So far Away" were also released as 12" vinyl versions ,
the B-side of "So far Away" contains the outro of "Why Worry" which was too long for the LP version :wave
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: dmg on July 17, 2013, 04:07:10 PM
YLT was released as a 7" single  in aid of Great Ormond Street hospital for sick children.  The song started with the sax part (missing the intro) so I'm unsure of the length.  On the B side were Irish Boy and The Road from the Cal soundtrack.  BTW, is this rare?  I have it in excellent condition.

I also have a special edition WOL in 7" that opens out into a double with a nice picture of the National inside.  Record 1:  WOL, b-side TYL (live, Alchemy version).  Record 2:  SOS, b-side Eastbound Train (live).  Reissue of first single.  Is this rare too?  Had these for years and this thread just persuaded me to rake them out!
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: El Macho on July 17, 2013, 04:39:14 PM
You can add "The Long Highway" from the Timothy white sessions !
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: stormbreaker on July 17, 2013, 04:57:03 PM
You need to listen this one (I don't know if I'm allowed to link you guys to YT): Dire Straits - Expresso Love [Live, The Final Oz, Australia, 1986]
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: ingridswing on July 17, 2013, 04:58:38 PM
Links to youtube are ok, feel free. When you type a message you see the youtube-button above your messagescreen
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: dmg on July 17, 2013, 05:02:06 PM
Links to youtube are ok, feel free. When you type a message you see the youtube-button above your messagescreen

I've been typing that out all the time!  What a numptie!  :smack
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: ingridswing on July 17, 2013, 05:08:23 PM
LOL DMG  ;D
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: El Macho on July 17, 2013, 06:50:32 PM
You also forgot the Knebworth album with the wonderful live version of Think I Love You Too Much and also Solid Rock and MFN !
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: Ar (aka Enlight) on July 17, 2013, 07:02:33 PM
You also forgot the Knebworth album with the wonderful live version of Think I Love You Too Much and also Solid Rock and MFN !


How a bout the official 1986-1988 princess trust release's, (2x Money for Nothing)

I guess Hugo97 mean  official releases under own management ?
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: stormbreaker on July 17, 2013, 08:50:32 PM
Rock'n Roll:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYzkJmBV3mo
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: Fletch on July 18, 2013, 04:15:16 AM
The Money for Nothing compilation says (on wiki) that it contains remixes of several songs. I check out 2nd hand shops all the time looking for a good condition CD..
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: H97 on July 18, 2013, 09:09:10 AM
Wow lot's of reply's haha. I'll try and answer as well as possible :)

MFN & SFA 12" Versions: I believe these are just the CD Versions, correct me if I'm wrong and there is a difference in mix.

Why Worry (Outro Part): It's listed :) The official name is "Instrumental Segment"

Your Latest Trick: You're sure it isn't the LP version? Would be a cool addition if not!

Two Young Lovers: Will be taken for the next update. Must be a remixed version with fade-in and fade-out. Thank!
Btw. I've got no idea if that single is rare, sorry :)

The Long Highway; I didin't post that one as it was from the What It Is single, but if it's a DS track, I'll list it. It's the demo version I guess?

Expresso Love (Final Oz): Never officialy released, great version though

I Think I Love You Too Much (Live Knebworth): From an official CD, used with permission from Dire Straits' record company, so it's official, thanks!

Money For Nothing & Solid Rock (Live Knebworth): Can't find a CD where that's from, do you have a link / picture?

Money For Nothing (2x Live Prince's Trust): What CD are they from? Do you have a link / picture?

Rock 'n Roll: That's a solo track, so not listed here :)

Money For Nothing (Compilation): All tracks that are different are listed :) I can think of Portobello Belle, WDYTYG?, Money For Nothing, Twisting By The Pool, Telegraph Road and Brothers In Arms right now :)


OFFICIAL RELEASE: under own management (studio / live / compilation) or when a CD notes "Mark Knopfler / Dire Straits appear(s) in courtesy of [record label]" or when it's a demo :)
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: dmg on July 18, 2013, 11:45:49 AM
Your Latest Trick on the Great Ormond Street release starts with the sax part missing the guitar intro. :thumbsup
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: boboDS on July 18, 2013, 02:05:48 PM
I think Brothers (the best version ever for me) from Mandela concert was officialy released also.
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: Ar (aka Enlight) on July 18, 2013, 02:18:58 PM

Money For Nothing (2x Live Prince's Trust): What CD are they from? Do you have a link / picture?

THE ROYAL CONCERT (princes trust )

http://www.muziekweb.nl/Link/JK50934



TELSTAR STAR2401
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: Ar (aka Enlight) on July 18, 2013, 02:21:41 PM
I think Brothers (the best version ever for me) from Mandela concert was officialy released also.


yes on VHS video only.
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: Ar (aka Enlight) on July 18, 2013, 02:35:08 PM
The Money for Nothing compilation says (on wiki) that it contains remixes of several songs. I check out 2nd hand shops all the time looking for a good condition CD..

I have the SBM (supper bit mapping) from the dire straits remastered the definitive collection 836 419-2
mine original CD was lost in a fire (in a pub) a longtime ago (-:
I do have the vinyl , but that one misses  telegraph road live remix
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: dmg on July 18, 2013, 04:14:46 PM
I think Brothers (the best version ever for me) from Mandela concert was officialy released also.


yes on VHS video only.

Was it not on fabulous Laserdisc too?  Would be great to get the audio from that!
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: Ar (aka Enlight) on July 18, 2013, 10:37:20 PM

Was it not on fabulous Laserdisc too?  Would be great to get the audio from that!



what about "only" you did not understand   ???        ;)
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: dmg on July 18, 2013, 10:58:30 PM

Was it not on fabulous Laserdisc too?  Would be great to get the audio from that!



what about "only" you did not understand   ???        ;)

Just the bit inside the inverted commas! :hmm
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: Ar (aka Enlight) on July 19, 2013, 02:20:35 AM

Was it not on fabulous Laserdisc too?  Would be great to get the audio from that!



what about "only" you did not understand   ???        ;)

Just the bit inside the inverted commas! :hmm

I have that same problem often , that's why I use the commas , can you invert commas inside commas .
""""""............................aahhhhhhhh I just figure it out  :smack
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: El Macho on July 19, 2013, 02:23:52 AM
The Knebwoth album exists on CD and DVD (I've got them both) and contains 3 tracks by DS, it's also been released on iTunes !
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: H97 on July 19, 2013, 02:13:00 PM
Your Latest Trick: Do you have the duration of the track? It may be another edit :)

Knebworth album: Money For Nothing & I Think I Love You Too Much will be added: http://www.discogs.com/Various-Knebworth-The-Album/release/4215912

Why Worry (Instrumental Segment): From the Brothers In Arms 12" single (http://www.discogs.com/Dire-Straits-Brothers-In-Arms/master/23696) and the So Far Away double pack (http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=919049)

Prince's Trust: Does one of you guys here have one of those CD's and could you check for me if there is permission for the audio from Dire Straits' record company?

Brothers In Arms (Mandela): Any pictures / links to the VHS / laserdisc?
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: Ar (aka Enlight) on July 19, 2013, 02:55:59 PM

Prince's Trust: Does one of you guys here have one of those CD's and could you check for me if there is permission for the audio from Dire Straits' record company?

Got them both,

Superstars in concert (1996 L&D Records,LBSCD011)
inlay says:
Money for Nothing - MARK KNOPFLER AND STING - (Mark Knopfler/Gordon Summer - Magnetic pub.Ltd/Rondor Music London)

The Royal CONCERT (1987/1989 TELSTAR 2TCD2401/ADE 681)
inlay says:
MONEY FOR NOTHING - DIRE STRAITS (Mark Knopfler) Chariscourt Ltd./Rondor Music(London)Ltd.
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: H97 on July 19, 2013, 07:46:24 PM
All right!

Update:
- Money For Nothing (Live At The Prince's Trust)
- I Think I Love You Too Much (Live At Knebworth)
- Money For Nothing (Live At Knebworth)
- The Long Highway (Demo Version)
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: rudiger on July 19, 2013, 10:59:00 PM
Brothers in arms from "Montserrat" (DVD and CD-single)
Money for nothing from "Montserrat" (DVD)

Brothers in arms "Falklands" CD-single
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: H97 on July 21, 2013, 10:30:53 AM
Brothers in arms from "Montserrat" (DVD and CD-single)
Money for nothing from "Montserrat" (DVD)

Brothers in arms "Falklands" CD-single

Any special versions on these?
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: herlock on July 21, 2013, 11:27:49 AM
Brothers in arms from "Montserrat" (DVD and CD-single)
Money for nothing from "Montserrat" (DVD)

Brothers in arms "Falklands" CD-single

Any special versions on these?
The Montserrat version of MFN is my all-times favourite, even thought it lack the intro.
There is great power in the guitar riffs, and the MK/EC combination is terrific. I think this was never equalled before or after this concert, every other version of MFN sounds boring to me now (with the possible exception of Wembley'85, very powerful too, and the studio version).

The Montserrar version of Brothers is of course fine, but I would no call it my all-time favourites. I think Mark's voice is too weak on it and that the full orchestra is a bit too much, the song does not need this. I prefer "On the night" and of course Mandela'88 and Wembley'85, this latter one being my favourite for the heavy use of synth (yes I know it is cheesy and too 80's, but I love it nonetheless) and for the powerful ending, never done afterwards !
 
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: rudiger on July 21, 2013, 12:13:44 PM
Brothers in arms from "Montserrat" (DVD and CD-single)
Money for nothing from "Montserrat" (DVD)

Brothers in arms "Falklands" CD-single

Any special versions on these?

BIA "Falklands"
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvE97zz5loc

MFN Montserrat
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D6cw8Ob2sk

BIA Montserrat
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9ehJ9fBe9Q

From the Montserrat concert there is also the Local Hero theme but it was not included in the DVD. Here is a video taken from a Japanese TV broadcast.
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EyoXb4DtHA
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: H97 on July 26, 2013, 11:46:03 AM
Thanks for the info :D

Next update will include:
- Brothers In Arms (Falklands Version)
- Brothers In Arms (Monserrat Version)
- Money For Nothing (Monserrat Video Version)
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: dustyvalentino on July 26, 2013, 07:22:20 PM
Eastbound Train was released on this lp

http://musicruinedmylife.blogspot.co.uk/2009/11/va-hope-anchor-front-row-festival-1978.html

It exists. I have it in a box somewhere, and I promise to post it to Pottel as a gift as soon as I can be bothered.  :)

My own theory is that this is the first time Dire Straits were on record, and when they needed a b side for Sultans they just used this recording. But I have no proof of that.  :)
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: H97 on July 26, 2013, 07:48:55 PM
... and when they needed a b side for Sultans they just used this recording ...

This is the live version of a studio version?
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: dustyvalentino on July 26, 2013, 07:51:51 PM
Live, it's the same recording as the b side. The whole album is live. :)
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: JF on July 26, 2013, 10:37:46 PM
the demo version of eastbound train had to be added on the list. It's a different version from the live one
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: dustyvalentino on July 27, 2013, 01:07:30 AM
the demo version of eastbound train had to be added on the list. It's a different version from the live one

Has it been released oFficially?
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: H97 on July 27, 2013, 02:15:02 PM
the demo version of eastbound train had to be added on the list. It's a different version from the live one

Has it been released oFficially?

Doesn't have to be, no demo's have been released officialy :) for demo's it's just enough to be a genuie demo (and leak  :P). Many DS album demo's and OES album demo's have leaked :)
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: H97 on August 23, 2013, 10:15:17 AM
Dire Straits list updated, time to start working on MK's solo part :), soundtracks first, studio albums second, collaborations last.
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: Pottel on August 23, 2013, 07:18:51 PM
you where to send it, right dusty?? :-)
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: H97 on August 23, 2013, 10:26:39 PM
you where to send it, right dusty?? :-)

Eh what? Haha don't get your post :)
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: Pottel on August 23, 2013, 11:08:20 PM
Reply to dusty's earlier post. Nothing for you to worry about ;)
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Post by: H97 on August 24, 2013, 09:19:27 AM
Reply to dusty's earlier post. Nothing for you to worry about ;)

Oh damn there's a user called Dusty  :smack my apologies :)
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: vgonis on August 29, 2013, 08:42:57 PM
Thanks for this list. It will take me days to go thoroghly through it.  :clap
A quick question. SOS has at least one more official release as an alternative version at a 7'' pressing, in the UK. The 12'' claimed that this was it, but actually it was included only on the 7''. Is it the demo alternative mix you mention? I think Muff Winwood is mentioned, so most probably an alternative studio take and not a demo.
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: ds1984 on August 30, 2013, 10:03:43 AM
Thanks for this list. It will take me days to go thoroghly through it.  :clap
A quick question. SOS has at least one more official release as an alternative version at a 7'' pressing, in the UK. The 12'' claimed that this was it, but actually it was included only on the 7''. Is it the demo alternative mix you mention? I think Muff Winwood is mentioned, so most probably an alternative studio take and not a demo.

The staff though that the album version was not punchy enough and asked the band to return in studio and re record it. And right the 12" that was relesed way after used the album version instead. To my known, the 7" version has never been published on CD. According to Wikipedia the singlme was recording April 1978 at Pathway Studios, the same studio were they recorded the five demo in 1977.

Now I wonder if among their tv appearance performing it playback if they used the single version or the album one, and if any has been released on DVD?



Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: JF on August 30, 2013, 11:42:56 PM
the exact date of the single version recording is the 20th april 1978 (the day after the chester gig)

more info about gear on Ingo's blog :
http://www.mk-guitar.com/2009/11/18/sultans-of-swing-the-alternate-single-version-and-the-demo-version_sound_and_gear/ (http://www.mk-guitar.com/2009/11/18/sultans-of-swing-the-alternate-single-version-and-the-demo-version_sound_and_gear/)

I'm not aware of any TV show using this version

note : it's the firts time Mak added a few bars before the final tiwddy bits, bars he have played for years until 2009 when he decided to go back to "original" version
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: H97 on August 31, 2013, 09:59:39 AM
Interesting posts on Sultans..

From the studio versions, am I right to say these versions excist?

- Album Version
- Single Version
- Demo Version (which was included on a various artists LP called The Honky Tonk demos)
- Demo Version with different speed (internet leak)
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: JF on August 31, 2013, 10:55:16 AM
Interesting posts on Sultans..

From the studio versions, am I right to say these versions excist?

- Album Version
- Single Version
- Demo Version (which was included on a various artists LP called The Honky Tonk demos)
- Demo Version with different speed (internet leak)

I would not call the last one as a " version"
There are many examples of bootlegs with wrong speed : the silver pressed cd "early demos" was one of them, Boston 79 is another one. It
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: vgonis on August 31, 2013, 02:07:39 PM
I will have to check for more. There is one SOS version full, after the fade out at the record, found in the  www.mk-guitar.com, but if you are going for official releases this one might be tricky and not make the list. I think it was included in one of those guitar hero games, and there is also a vocla channel, a guitar channel and an instrumental one.
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: dustyvalentino on August 31, 2013, 09:47:21 PM
you where to send it, right dusty?? :-)

Main concern is posting vinyl...
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: JF on September 01, 2013, 09:59:33 PM
I will have to check for more. There is one SOS version full, after the fade out at the record, found in the  www.mk-guitar.com, but if you are going for official releases this one might be tricky and not make the list. I think it was included in one of those guitar hero games, and there is also a vocla channel, a guitar channel and an instrumental one.


yes indeed Ingo posted an article about this :

http://www.mk-guitar.com/2009/12/15/sensational-sultans-of-swing-guitar-track-solo-without-backing-tracks-from-guitar-hero-5/ (http://www.mk-guitar.com/2009/12/15/sensational-sultans-of-swing-guitar-track-solo-without-backing-tracks-from-guitar-hero-5/)

it's the track used for Guitar hero 5.

Ingo also posted an article with a different solo take :

http://www.mk-guitar.com/2011/01/15/alternate-sultans-of-swing-solo-take-from-first-album-session-unheard-before-exclusively-on-mk-guitar-com/ (http://www.mk-guitar.com/2011/01/15/alternate-sultans-of-swing-solo-take-from-first-album-session-unheard-before-exclusively-on-mk-guitar-com/)

very nice to hear these "curiosities"



however, I think we can't call these tracks as "versions". these sounds come all from the same version, the same recording take.

IMHO, a "version" is a recording take.
Then you have editing and mix, for different supports (single, album, radio, promo, and now even video game, etc...

"alternate takes " (like e.g. the Dylan's infidel sessions") are really differents versions, in term of music playing, but e.g. the BIA LP and the BIA CD are not "different" versions, these are just edit versions on the LP.

If the list has to list all different "supports", then you have to list vynil/ tape / CD / VHS /DVD, etc...
but if it's a list of "versions", I'm not sure that it have to list all different editing from the same take. :think
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: Pottel on September 02, 2013, 12:29:12 AM
Agree with jf. The one to post here should always be the longest edit
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: vgonis on September 02, 2013, 08:08:02 AM
I will have to agree, even though for some songs the longer versions were a nice surprise (though I wouldn't call them revelations).
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: JF on September 02, 2013, 08:37:06 AM
I will have to agree, even though for some songs the longer versions were a nice surprise (though I wouldn't call them revelations).

I would rather say that they were the "normal" versions, while others were "shorter", or at least "edit versions"

for example the "orignal" versions  of SFA, MFN, YLT and WW are the ones on the CD.
The ones on the LP are the edit ones

not the reverse...

As for WII and STP, it becomes a little bit tricky : should we say that the STP "original" version is the one on the PI comp ? rather than the one on the album ?
and should we say that the origianl WII version is the one on the mexcian promo CD, rather that the one on the album ?

well, I would say yes, because in both cases it's the original entire recording take, while the versions released on album were edited.

BTW, in the gallery is also edited at the end
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: vgonis on September 02, 2013, 10:00:57 AM
Now this is a nice argument, JF!  I know I have already agreed but not on these grounds but rather due to the triviality of the matter. 

So if I could elaborate:

I believe that we have to take into consideration which format (CD-Vinyl) was consumed more, which edit was played more at TVs and radios and which edit was heard and imprinted in the conscience of most people. 
As such the edited versions are the ones in question. For fans like us who seek the  extra missing seconds, it is somehow important, but we are hardly the 1% of the consumers, who still follow such old acts and notice the differences. 

All versions  are in fact edits, even the longest ones,  if we consider there is a fade out in all songs (as heard on the uncut SOS version). So if you decide to further edit it for every format it is an artistic decision that changes somehow the stracture of the song, especially if the cut is in the middle of the song like SFA or MFN or WII (which omits a whole verse = version)  and less on WW or YLT although the sax part in YLT is a great omition and the Instrumental part in WW is way too long to consider a simple edit... The omition of verses can change the whole meaning of songs and the omition of a solo can make the difference between success and failure.  (The BIA album is definately a sales trick to market the new format, but still the vinyl edition has sold more)

So yes, we can claim it is a different version and not just an edit, only for these reasons.  Of course the artist having complete control over them would certainly declare a version as definitive and let the others into obscurity, so since the SOS versions surviving to the digital age are the ones on remastered debut and Alchemy, maybe we should skip the others. The STP version can even be considered a sales trick, to attract the fans who want everything.

Maybe dear Hugo who started it should set the rules so we stop nagging!  ;D

Because after all,  it is just a song, who cares but us?  ;)

Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: H97 on September 02, 2013, 11:15:25 AM
My idea for setting up this thread was to create a list of different versions of the songs.
I wanted to set it up like this: http://mjofficialversions.blogspot.fr/search/label/Beat%20It

Edit versions are after all different from the album version, and different "takes" are (very) different too.
I believe both should be listed, maybe separate from each other.

That way, you'll get lists like "Down To The Waterline":

Album Version which is the final mixing form that appeared on the album, may be taken from different takes
Demo Version mostly one take, but it can be mixed. It's definitly not 100% the same take as the album version though
Live -  BBC 1978 (From
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: vgonis on September 02, 2013, 11:43:33 AM
So according to the Jackson link, everything is to be included with the mention of the source and duration?

 I guess DS has less work than Jackson, since there are fewer remixes. Even with the not officially available demos included. 


 OK, I am game and as long as I can spare some time I will help you Hugo! Thanks again!
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: JF on September 02, 2013, 02:21:16 PM
OK Hugo it's up to you to decide since it's "your" list  :)

But I don't see the point to list all different "cut/edits" of the same song.

Example for MFN or Sultans, I heard many times on radio edit versions which were different from the single edit versions, because radio sound engineers make their own edits in order to fit their broadcast schedule. So sometimes you hear a verse, sometimes you don't hear it, just because there's a longer ad just after... is it a "different" version for you ?  :think

Then if you list these differences, you should include the fact that radio compresses much the songs, so the mix is in a way "different" from the album. I sometimes hear things in a song on radio that I didn't hear on album at home, and vice versa, but of course it's not a different mix, it's just the compression.

the first example that comes to mind is stairway to heaven : at home I barely Hear Robert Plant at the end, but on radio, he's almost louder than the rock part !

anyway, I admit I don't pay much attention to the different cuts/edit existing on the market. What I want to listen is the longer edit, thereby I am sure that it includes all "versions"  :)
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: H97 on September 02, 2013, 04:38:12 PM
Example for MFN or Sultans, I heard many times on radio edit versions which were different from the single edit versions, because radio sound engineers make their own edits in order to fit their broadcast schedule. So sometimes you hear a verse, sometimes you don't hear it, just because there's a longer ad just after... is it a "different" version for you ?  :think

Nope, that way it isn't official :) It's ben made by people for their own ("fan-made"), it is only included here when it's released on official format (CD-single, LP, whatever it takes)
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: H97 on September 02, 2013, 04:51:07 PM
Quick throw at the soundtracks:

Wild Theme
Album Version Local Hero (1983)
Alternate Version (3:39) Screenplaying [Compilation] (1993)
Live - On Every Street Tour 1992 Encores [EP] (1993); On The Night [VHS] (1993); On The Night [DVD] (2004); Sultans Of Swing: The Very Best Of Dire Straits [Compilation] (1998)

Going Home
Album Version Local Hero (1983)
Live - Alchemy 1983
Live - A Night In London 1996 [VHS/DVD]

The Long Road
Album Version Cal (1984)
Single Version (3:50) The Long Road (7" Single - NL) [Vertigo
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: JF on September 02, 2013, 06:07:28 PM
Wild theme :
- bonus track of the STP maxi
- Monsterrat ? I believe it was not included on the official video, but of course was played
- what is the "alternate version" ? a take used on the film ?
- live -encores. features also on the OTN video of course

Going home : a video clip exists (features on the VHS dire straits - the videos) don't know if it's relevant for your list

i've never listened to the screenplaying comp. Are the versions exactly the sames as on albums, or different edit/mixs or different takes ?
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: H97 on September 02, 2013, 06:48:58 PM
Wild theme :
- bonus track of the STP maxi
- Monsterrat ? I believe it was not included on the official video, but of course was played
- what is the "alternate version" ? a take used on the film ?
- live -encores. features also on the OTN video of course

Going home : a video clip exists (features on the VHS dire straits - the videos) don't know if it's relevant for your list

i've never listened to the screenplaying comp. Are the versions exactly the sames as on albums, or different edit/mixs or different takes ?

Good points, the version on the STP single will be added but are you sure it was Wild Theme? I only find Going Home on the internet, but I don't have the single to check. Do you have the recording date? Montserrat was played, but not to be included here, no official release.
Alternate Version is from screenplaying I believe, it's this version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ImCNG02vVQ (please judge me if I'm not allowed to post it here).

The video version of Going Home is only relevant when it has different mixing/editing, I'll check it out soon.


Thank for your comment JF!
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: Jules on September 03, 2013, 03:39:29 AM
In my opinion, demo versions are not official, they are not released in any official cd, lp or single, maxi, but bootlegs, which are unofficial, so unless they were released, as Solid Rock on "ridin high" soundtrack, they must be removed from this lists.
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: vgonis on September 03, 2013, 10:07:20 AM
I believe that we should respect Hugo's choice. After all the demos are no more than 20 so really no big deal. After all they are only for us fans, and it is really nice to know!!
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: H97 on September 03, 2013, 10:14:22 AM
In my opinion, demo versions are not official, they are not released in any official cd, lp or single, maxi, but bootlegs, which are unofficial, so unless they were released, as Solid Rock on "ridin high" soundtrack, they must be removed from this lists.

Hmm, you're right about that, but still I think I'll list them, with a note saying they're unreleased...


I believe that we should respect Hugo's choice. After all the demos are no more than 20 so really no big deal. After all they are only for us fans, and it is really nice to know!!

17 demo's exactly  :)
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: vgonis on September 03, 2013, 10:49:58 AM
;-) Carry on the good work! Would you consider listing the time duration where readily available?
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: H97 on September 03, 2013, 11:46:51 AM
;-) Carry on the good work! Would you consider listing the time duration where readily available?

That will be done one day, when I have tim for it  ::)
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: Jules on September 03, 2013, 02:02:53 PM
I believe that we should respect Hugo's choice. After all the demos are no more than 20 so really no big deal. After all they are only for us fans, and it is really nice to know!!

The topic says: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler

The demos are not official at all.

So the topic name is wrong.
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: vgonis on September 03, 2013, 02:30:04 PM
Dear jbaent, we should not stick with such things. The versions are officially by DS but not officially released. So to the letter, the title is not incorrect, but could be taken that way. Your knowledge and input is vast and can be extremely useful. 
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: JF on September 03, 2013, 03:14:54 PM
Wild theme :
- bonus track of the STP maxi
- Monsterrat ? I believe it was not included on the official video, but of course was played
- what is the "alternate version" ? a take used on the film ?
- live -encores. features also on the OTN video of course

Going home : a video clip exists (features on the VHS dire straits - the videos) don't know if it's relevant for your list

i've never listened to the screenplaying comp. Are the versions exactly the sames as on albums, or different edit/mixs or different takes ?

Good points, the version on the STP single will be added but are you sure it was Wild Theme? I only find Going Home on the internet, but I don't have the single to check. Do you have the recording date? Montserrat was played, but not to be included here, no official release.
Alternate Version is from screenplaying I believe, it's this version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ImCNG02vVQ (please judge me if I'm not allowed to post it here).

The video version of Going Home is only relevant when it has different mixing/editing, I'll check it out soon.


Thank for your comment JF!

1) to my knowledge, The video version of Going Home has NOTdifferent mixing/editing, so it's not relevant
2) if you want to list differences between video and audio versions, the you have to add TOL from alchemy video, because the "version" on audio LP, K7 and CD was edited during the intro (Mark's words about spanish city)
3) Yes it's Wild theme on the STP maxi, although it's labelled "going home" on the booklet. In fact, to be accurate, it's a mix between the Going home intro and wild theme, but in the same way it's played since the OES tour, so i think we can call it "wild theme"
4) the booklet says : recorded for taratata, italy november 2000, but I have some doubts because oneverybootleg doesn't list any promo in italy :
the only going home versions are from France, Spain or Portugal
http://www.oneverybootleg.nl/stppromotour.htm (http://www.oneverybootleg.nl/stppromotour.htm)
sometimes, even the official booklets are not accurate....

5) thanks for the link to the alternate wild theme version, I didn't know it !
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: vgonis on September 03, 2013, 03:26:06 PM
Wondering if this Wild theme  version is an alternate or a remake version from this talented guitarist Johan Fredriksson.
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: Jules on September 03, 2013, 04:09:19 PM
Dear jbaent, we should not stick with such things. The versions are officially by DS but not officially released. So to the letter, the title is not incorrect, but could be taken that way. Your knowledge and input is vast and can be extremely useful.

I cant help if we are not following a concrete rule, or if we are breaking it when we want.

I can stick just to two demos here, Sultans, released oficially on the Honky Tonk official compilation, and Solid rock demo released on Ridin' high soundtrack.
If we are considering the rest of demos, none of them oficially released, then there is no sense in doing a list of song oficially released including songs that are not oficially released, non sense to me, so count me out on this, and enjoy doing this kind of list.
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: JF on September 03, 2013, 04:46:12 PM
I agree with Jbaent, and I already said that I don't see the point to make such a list, but as I am almost mad about details, I have fun to help Hugo in doing "his" list  :)
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: H97 on September 03, 2013, 05:13:52 PM
All right, demo's will be edited. I'll make a statement from release behind SoS and Solid Rock in teal, ike done with other releases.
Recorded, but not released, demo's will get a note behind it in lime green, saying "Leaked, but remains unreleased".
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: vgonis on September 03, 2013, 05:54:10 PM
I would like to write something funny and clever, but I fear I might be misunderstood. I do believe that if we ever apply ourselves to politics with the same zest I find here, our lives would be better. Fan and fun  are  the key words, somebody else has started this wonderful trip willing to contribute. The list is set up already.
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: vgonis on December 19, 2014, 05:22:25 PM
Re awakening this thread, because I remembered the mono versions appearing on some singles. They are not different versions, rather different mixes. Appeared on promo singles, A side having the stereo version B side having the Mono version.
At least 4 tracks appeared this way.
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Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: Fletch on February 13, 2015, 06:37:57 AM
Haha I like your comment about politics Vgonis ! :)
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: forjum on February 13, 2015, 11:03:01 AM
Hi everybody!
this is my first post, but I
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: forjum on February 13, 2015, 02:04:59 PM
By the way, the alternate take for Wild Theme is the Timothy White sessions version.
Cheers.
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: vgonis on February 13, 2015, 02:55:09 PM
Welcome forjum. What a way to introduce your self with all these info! Thank you!
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: Silvertown on February 13, 2015, 03:12:13 PM
Hi everybody!
this is my first post, but I
Title: Re: Official versions of songs by Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler
Post by: H97 on February 14, 2015, 11:26:04 AM
By the way, the alternate take for Wild Theme is the Timothy White sessions version.
Cheers.

Thanks for that info! I was looking for the Timothy White version for ages, and I had it all the time  :smack