A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: border_reiver on July 27, 2013, 11:46:52 AM
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This is somewhat MK related, since JJ has always been mentioned as one of MK's bigger rolemodels...
Sadly JJ Cale has passed away according to his Facebook-page... :'(
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This is related to anyone who just loves good music - I am really sad about hearing this news...
RIP J.J. Cale
LE
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R.I.P.
There should be a documentary of this legendary guitar hero with MK featured on.
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RIP in a Cajun Heaven. J.J.
I've been under a spell
I ain't been feelin' well
I've been in a shell, and that's true
Dealin' with a curse
But it couldn't be worse
I've been one step ahead of the blues
One step ahead of the blues
JJ Cale
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R.I.P.
There should be a documentary of this legendary guitar hero with MK featured on.
I remember seeing 'To Tulsa and Back' - an on tour/lifetime achievment documentary about J.J.
It was nothing but pure greatness!
They did mention Mark and Clapton once in the same sentence as being known to have J.J. as major influences.
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R.I.P.
There should be a documentary of this legendary guitar hero with MK featured on.
I remember seeing 'To Tulsa and Back' - an on tour/lifetime achievment documentary about J.J.
It was nothing but pure greatness!
But without MK on. A pity that two legendary guitar heros' live recordings haven't see the light of day by now. Anyone could tell me how many times they two performed or recorded together?
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R.I.P.
There should be a documentary of this legendary guitar hero with MK featured on.
I remember seeing 'To Tulsa and Back' - an on tour/lifetime achievment documentary about J.J.
It was nothing but pure greatness!
But without MK on. A pity that two legendary guitar heros' live recordings haven't see the light of day by now. Anyone could tell me how many times they two performed or recorded together?
Sadly none I guess :-\
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I still remember watching a show of him in 70s and his performance blew me away with a very peaceful way.
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R.I.P.
There should be a documentary of this legendary guitar hero with MK featured on.
I remember seeing 'To Tulsa and Back' - an on tour/lifetime achievment documentary about J.J.
It was nothing but pure greatness!
But without MK on. A pity that two legendary guitar heros' live recordings haven't see the light of day by now. Anyone could tell me how many times they two performed or recorded together?
Sadly none I guess :-\
We only saw a pic of them two sharing on the same stage or maybe at the back stage. Anyone has that pic by hand and is willing to upload it here? I'm using mobile now.
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(http://www.jjcale.net/steve/imagos/cale-knopfler.jpg)
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What a sad news :'(
The most underrated guitarist and songwriter ever.
I discovered him late around 1987. I was looking for a Knopfler-style guitarist and tried #8.
Every JJ Cale tune sounds the same effortless gem. It sounds the same and sounds different. Nobody can reproduce his magical touch.
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RIP JJ Cale, very sad news
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That's it, thanks, naif. Anyone can figure out what event it was? And how many time did they colleborated?
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That's it, thanks, naif. Anyone can figure out what event it was? And how many time did they colleborated?
I think 1988, on the pic someone wrote -JJ Cale 1988-. (Maybe JJ Cale wrote it)
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It would be nice if Mark speakes a few nice words tonight about JJ or perhaps play one off his songs tonight.......
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What a sad news :'(
The most underrated guitarist and songwriter ever.
I discovered him late around 1987. I was looking for a Knopfler-style guitarist and tried #8.
Every JJ Cale tune sounds the same effortless gem. It sounds the same and sounds different. Nobody can reproduce his magical touch.
+1000
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It would be nice if Mark speakes a few nice words tonight about JJ or perhaps play one off his songs tonight.......
Too sudden, and too short time for rehearsing, I'd bet for a documentary with MK interview part on (like chet atkins'), and maybe in it, never seen footage of cale and Knopfler will be revealed.
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It would be nice if Mark speakes a few nice words tonight about JJ or perhaps play one off his songs tonight.......
"Well, you all read the news, lately, and... Well... This is a song for JJ"...
And then play "news"...
This would be such a great tribute.
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Very sad news indeed. He seemed a very nice person in "To Tulsa and Back". I have been a fan for a long time and love his music very much. RIP JJ!
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Very saddened to hear the news. RIP.
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I was shocked to hear the news. An older gentleman that I know went to the same high school with him and often told me interesting stories about growing up with JJ and Leon Russell. Leon is his close buddy till today. What a loss. :(
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JJ Cale made it in the German Main Television 20:00 News "Tagesschau", mentioning that he was a big influence on Eric Clapton and Dire Straits.
LE
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a real maestro rip jj
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:(
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Largest newpaper (tabloid) in Sweden (aftonbladet.se) are headlining J.J*s passing as "Mark Knopfler's big idol has passed away"...
I'm still in shock, J.J. was, beside MK, one of the reasons as to why I picked up the guitar in the first place. My first memory is the album 'Grasshopper' (actually made in the year when I was born), my parents played it often on the LP. Songs like 'Devil in disguise', 'City GIrls', 'You keep me hangin' on', 'Downtown L.A'., 'Don't wait'... yeah, the whole damn record actually :)
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I always thought of "City Girls" as an absolute MK style song... (you know what I mean) - I loved that song - had the Special Edition Best Of for long years with the best songs collected...
LE
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I always thought of "City Girls" as an absolute MK style song... (you know what I mean) - I loved that song - had the Special Edition Best Of for long years with the best songs collected...
LE
here we agree LE.
I love the lyrics and it comes close to a MK style song, the little guitar lick at the start and than the other instruments joining in.
I created a kind of best off CD from various artists for myself a couple of years ago , " City Girls" was the first track on it.
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Hope MK could write a song called JJ Cale's gone or something to commemorate him.
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...When daylight fade, the night come on
You can hear the silence of this song
Don't trouble your mind whatever you do
'Cause, he got me like he got you
Cajun moon, where does your power lie
As you move, across the southern sky
You took J.J. way too soon
What have you done, Cajun moon?...
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...When daylight fade, the night come on
You can hear the silence of this song
Don't trouble your mind whatever you do
'Cause, he got me like he got you
Cajun moon, where does your power lie
As you move, across the southern sky
You took J.J. way too soon
What have you done, Cajun moon?...
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...When daylight fade, the night come on
You can hear the silence of this song
Don't trouble your mind whatever you do
'Cause, he got me like he got you
Cajun moon, where does your power lie
As you move, across the southern sky
You took J.J. way too soon
What have you done, Cajun moon?...
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RIP JJ
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RIP, sad news
In my opinion the song with the most dire-straits-sound-a-like-potential: Fancy Dancer, from the great Album To Tulsa and Back.
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Yes indeed, what a phantastic track, wasn't aware of it, thank you very much! I wish MK would do another that guitar-driven song once more... like Don't You Get It... Fancy Dancer, great track!
LE
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In my opinion if it wasn't for JJ Cale there wouldn't have been a Dire Straits. When you Lauren to some of those Cale records it's almost embarrassing how much MK ripped off his sound for the early DS
tone.
JJ Cale probably laughed his arse off first time he heard it. RIP.
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Would be nice if Mark would play this at the last show in memory of JJ.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxSOh5LtPdQ
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In my opinion if it wasn't for JJ Cale there wouldn't have been a Dire Straits. When you Lauren to some of those Cale records it's almost embarrassing how much MK ripped off his sound for the early DS
tone.
JJ Cale probably laughed his arse off first time he heard it. RIP.
Agreed. The influence is really obvious especially on early DS albums. But on the other hand, if it wasn't for Clapton and MK the world wouldn't has got to know a great talent of JJ the way it did because these two have translated his amazing legacy into the language of mainstream music. I am grateful to EC and Mark for that, otherwise I may have missed JJ Cale.
In fact I think EC has done better job than MK acknowledging JJ Cale inspiration across his career by recording a duet album and covering several jj's songs. For him JJ was a king of hero as Chet Atkins was for Mark.
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In my opinion if it wasn't for JJ Cale there wouldn't have been a Dire Straits. When you Lauren to some of those Cale records it's almost embarrassing how much MK ripped off his sound for the early DS
tone.
JJ Cale probably laughed his arse off first time he heard it. RIP.
That's a little harsh I think. I just listened to my 'Naturally' and 'Okie' albums and I think Mark took the vibe MUCH further than that even on the first DS album.
JJ C is/was a legend, I really admire Claptons acknowledgement of him and of course the Escondidio album is very listenable too!
It's impossible to not admire talented non-attention seekers like JJ Cale and MK.
RIP
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/28/arts/music/jj-cale-musician-and-songwriter-dies-at-74.html?_r=0
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/jul/28/jj-cale
I seem to recall that, during that period in L.A. in the late 1960s , Johnny Cale was part of the so-called Oklahoma Mafia that worked out of a home studio that Leon Russell had fashioned in his house inn the Hollywood Hills. They included people later associated with Delaney and Bonnie and with the Derek & the Dominoes band - which is where the EC connection came in, I guess. Cale was not only a multi-instrumentalist but also an engineer and studio technician, so was one of the leading lights in the "Okie mafia". His "After Midnight" single goes back to the mid-1960s, years before those early albums for which he became well-known. I remember reading an article about JJ Cale in an old British magazine called "Let It Rock".
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http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/stop-the-presses/jj-cale-why-neil-young-called-him-best-183038172.html
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In my opinion if it wasn't for JJ Cale there wouldn't have been a Dire Straits. When you Lauren to some of those Cale records it's almost embarrassing how much MK ripped off his sound for the early DS
tone.
JJ Cale probably laughed his arse off first time he heard it. RIP.
on his website he said : "celebrity doesn't interest me"
so the fact that other artists used his style was not an issue for him IMHO
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That's it, thanks, naif. Anyone can figure out what event it was? And how many time did they colleborated?
I think 1988, on the pic someone wrote -JJ Cale 1988-. (Maybe JJ Cale wrote it)
Pottel said on Guy's forum it is from september 85.
Indeed, the guitar looks like a schecter, and Mark's clothes looks like during BIA tour, so I guess the date is right.
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Today on Dutch television: documentary about JJ Cale. MK was mentioned, JJ had a lot of influence on him and the music of DS.
Didn't see the documentary, but Holaknopfler texted me to have it published here.
I suppose he will tell more about it when he is online again
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Thanks for posting the message! I was watching, and there was a shot of a women who was speaking in front of a small group of people. She was reading from a paper, an award, which said that JJ was a big inspiration for Dire Straits and Mark Knopfler. Another artist was mentioned, I forgot who it was. Didn't really paid attention to the other name. It's a great documentary, I will try to find a link and share it here. A lot of talking about his life, songs and influences. Eric Clapton also had a nice part in it, he spoke about JJ a couple of times.
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In my opinion if it wasn't for JJ Cale there wouldn't have been a Dire Straits. When you Lauren to some of those Cale records it's almost embarrassing how much MK ripped off his sound for the early DS
tone.
JJ Cale probably laughed his arse off first time he heard it. RIP.
on his website he said : "celebrity doesn't interest me"
so the fact that other artists used his style was not an issue for him IMHO
That's what I said. :)
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R.I.P J.J Cale
I love you and I will miss you......thanks for all your wonderful music over the years.
Cale made a song about his dog who died. Cale sings :
" When I get to heaven first thing I'II do, I'II grab my horn and call Old Blue "
The sad news made me think of that song.............and made me smile a little :)
J.J Cale :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :-* :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup J.J Cale
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Thanks for posting the message! I was watching, and there was a shot of a women who was speaking in front of a small group of people. She was reading from a paper, an award, which said that JJ was a big inspiration for Dire Straits and Mark Knopfler. Another artist was mentioned, I forgot who it was. Didn't really paid attention to the other name. It's a great documentary, I will try to find a link and share it here. A lot of talking about his life, songs and influences. Eric Clapton also had a nice part in it, he spoke about JJ a couple of times.
It must have been "To Tulsa And Back" documentary. Great material, worth checking out for sure. Used to be on YouTube but I can't find it there now.
Available on DVD: http://www.amazon.com/J-J-Cale-Tulsa-Back-Tour/dp/B000FBHCBY
Another artist was mentioned, I forgot who it was.
It was EC of course :)
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Cale wrote a song about his dog who died called Old Blue. Cale sings :
" When I get to heaven first thing I'II do, I'II grab my horn and call Old Blue "
The sad news made me think of that song.............and made me smile a little :)
Yes, thanks for reminding this! They must be spending some quality time together now...
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Thanks for posting the message! I was watching, and there was a shot of a women who was speaking in front of a small group of people. She was reading from a paper, an award, which said that JJ was a big inspiration for Dire Straits and Mark Knopfler. Another artist was mentioned, I forgot who it was. Didn't really paid attention to the other name. It's a great documentary, I will try to find a link and share it here. A lot of talking about his life, songs and influences. Eric Clapton also had a nice part in it, he spoke about JJ a couple of times.
Here the link , re-broadcasted by NTR , Nederland 2 , Tuesday July 30Th
Program name : Het Uur van de Wolf.
Title: J.J.Cale
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In my opinion if it wasn't for JJ Cale there wouldn't have been a Dire Straits. When you Lauren to some of those Cale records it's almost embarrassing how much MK ripped off his sound for the early DS
tone.
JJ Cale probably laughed his arse off first time he heard it. RIP.
on his website he said : "celebrity doesn't interest me"
so the fact that other artists used his style was not an issue for him IMHO
That's what I said. :)
ah sorry, I didn't understand the expression "to laugh his arse off "very well... :)
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sorry it's in french...but that's part of my work :
http://culturebox.francetvinfo.fr/mort-de-jj-cale-une-legende-de-la-guitare-139875 (http://culturebox.francetvinfo.fr/mort-de-jj-cale-une-legende-de-la-guitare-139875)
I did'nt know that he used a drum machine for his first album
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The drum machine intro for Call Me The Breeze is timeless, sublime!
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J.J Cale guestbook..........
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/gainesville/obituary.aspx?pid=166060480#fbLoggedOut
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"Old Blue" is an old folk song, also known as "Old Dog Blue". I am not familiar with JJ Cale's song/version but I guess that it comes from or is based on the old song.
I remember talking to an old folkie one time who said that he can remember Dylan, on the latter's first visit to Britain over 50 years ago, singing it. When I said to him that I didn't recall reading anywhere that Dylan used to sing that song (and there's certainly no circulating version), he replied that all the Americans who came over at that time sang "Old Blue". I suspect that the old folkie was getting mixed up with Dick Farina, who even recorded it with another American, Eric Von Schmidt, in London at the time Dylan was here.
Anyway, I suspect it was not a song written by JJ Cale, though he may have claimed credir for it as a new arrangement or his own adaptation of the old song - which was probably pretty near the truth anyway.
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"Old Blue" is an old folk song, also known as "Old Dog Blue". I am not familiar with JJ Cale's song/version but I guess that it comes from or is based on the old song.
I remember talking to an old folkie one time who said that he can remember Dylan, on the latter's first visit to Britain over 50 years ago, singing it. When I said to him that I didn't recall reading anywhere that Dylan used to sing that song (and there's certainly no circulating version), he replied that all the Americans who came over at that time sang "Old Blue". I suspect that the old folkie was getting mixed up with Dick Farina, who even recorded it with another American, Eric Von Schmidt, in London at the time Dylan was here.
Anyway, I suspect it was not a song written by JJ Cale, though he may have claimed credir for it as a new arrangement or his own adaptation of the old song - which was probably pretty near the truth anyway.
Thanks for that correction twm. You're right :)
The song Old Blue is on the album called Guitar Man from 1996. It's only arranged by J.J. Cale. In the sleeve Cale thanks his old dog called Bud. It's an old song like you said.
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"Old Blue" is an old folk song, also known as "Old Dog Blue". I am not familiar with JJ Cale's song/version but I guess that it comes from or is based on the old song.
I remember talking to an old folkie one time who said that he can remember Dylan, on the latter's first visit to Britain over 50 years ago, singing it. When I said to him that I didn't recall reading anywhere that Dylan used to sing that song (and there's certainly no circulating version), he replied that all the Americans who came over at that time sang "Old Blue". I suspect that the old folkie was getting mixed up with Dick Farina, who even recorded it with another American, Eric Von Schmidt, in London at the time Dylan was here.
Anyway, I suspect it was not a song written by JJ Cale, though he may have claimed credir for it as a new arrangement or his own adaptation of the old song - which was probably pretty near the truth anyway.
Thanks for that correction twm. You're right :)
The song Old Blue is on the album called Guitar Man from 1996. It's only arranged by J.J. Cale. In the sleeve Cale thanks his old dog called Bud. It's an old song like you said.
Ah, right. It's been a while since I had this album in hands. But at least we know that Blue's real name was Bud :)
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A big loss, love the Grasshopper album for its variety of styles and (JJ cliche time!) laid back style.
So many different artists covered his songs in different ways yet they still retained something if the man from Okie.
Can I suggest listening to the following on one of these warm summer nights: -
http://youtu.be/3GACGQE1dwM
Of course, there's always the man himself
http://youtu.be/eh_JMj_YSo8
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Your comments on "Old Blue" piqued my curiosity. The earliest recording (and if not the earliest, one of the earliest) appears to be by Jim Jackson, who recorded it in February 1928 under the "old Dog Blue" title. Jackson seems to have claimed credit for it, though the song sounds like it goes back further than that. I actually have that recording, as it is on the rather wonderful 3-volume "Anthology of American Folk Music" compiled from old 78s by Harry Smith back in the early 1950s. For years, I had a cassette dub of the 3 original LPs plus a photocopy of the booklet. Then about 15 years agao, it came out as a CD box set - all 84 tracks.
Apparently Harry Smith planned a 4th volume which didn't come out at the time but there is also a CD issue of what that would have been, based on Smith's notes. In addition, there is a fan compilation of similar material, 4 CDs of about 100 tracks, none overlapping with the original 84 tracks.
If you have any interest whatsoever in American folk music or wonder where some of more recent music derives, these early commercial recordings are seminal stuff. Few are smooth and many may seem hard-going at first, but they repay repeated listening many times over. There's also a bit of education mixed with humour . Harry Smith sometimes provided telegrammatic newspaper-style headlines to summarixze songs.
For example, "King Kong Kitie Kitchie Ki-Me-O" was described thus: "Zoological Miscegny Achieved in Mouse-Frog Nuptials. Relatives Approve". Some may recognise this as the old song, "Mr. Froggie Went A-Courtin". Smith adds: "In the register of the London Company of Stationers for November 2, 1580, there is an entry titled, 'A Moste Strange Wedding of the Frogge and the Mouse'; probably the same song".
That may not be the best of examples on which to urge you to get this set. There are folk songs, there are country blues, dance tunes, gospel hymns, ballads about murders, comedy numbers, some jug band music, outlaw songs, string bands, Cajun recordings - and so much more. I tend to think of it as treasure chest but, if that is overstating it a bit, then it really is a treasure map.
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Yes, he will be missed.
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R.I.P.
There should be a documentary of this legendary guitar hero with MK featured on.
I remember seeing 'To Tulsa and Back' - an on tour/lifetime achievment documentary about J.J.
It was nothing but pure greatness!
But without MK on. A pity that two legendary guitar heros' live recordings haven't see the light of day by now. Anyone could tell me how many times they two performed or recorded together?
Sadly none I guess :-\
14.09.1985
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R.I.P.
There should be a documentary of this legendary guitar hero with MK featured on.
I remember seeing 'To Tulsa and Back' - an on tour/lifetime achievment documentary about J.J.
It was nothing but pure greatness!
But without MK on. A pity that two legendary guitar heros' live recordings haven't see the light of day by now. Anyone could tell me how many times they two performed or recorded together?
Sadly none I guess :-\
We only saw a pic of them two sharing on the same stage or maybe at the back stage. Anyone has that pic by hand and is willing to upload it here? I'm using mobile now.
i was in contact, some years ago, with us manager about this pic, that the manager made himself by the way. But somehow the contact died. I met JJ once, in 1994. Nicest man in the business
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Two of my favorite songs:
Artificial paradise ( cannot find the sublime version from on the record "10", so this demo needs to do, do check out that album though!)
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3NM_sk9atPE
And one called mama don't" which I believe only to be arranged by him
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=88tA5zql6CQ
P.s. the "girl guitar player was his wife, Christine Lakeland"
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JJ and Eric
http://m.youtube.com/?reload=7&rdm=u49pb494#/watch?v=VRfdO2gsqt0&feature=related
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And this is what mark should have done.
http://m.youtube.com/?reload=7&rdm=u49pb494#/watch?v=VRfdO2gsqt0&feature=related
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^ a beautiful studio interview !
Escondido is a nice album. Eric's Lay Down Sally is another inspired piece of JJ influence.
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Yeah, I don't understand MK's silence on the passing of this huge talent and obvious influence on his work. Heck, even at our little small town festival this past week-end, one of the bands talked about JJ and then sang Ridin' Home. It was beautiful!
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JJ was a troubadour, the way musicians are supposed to be. Play for people to sing, dance, have a good time. I remember from a live recording I have, that he urged the people to sit up, sing and dance. He sounded quite surprised that people just sat there and watched him play. His whole philosophy could be summed up:" I make rock'n' roll records, I sell them for a dime, I make my living..." He was living for the music and music made a living for him. No fancy living though. Maybe we think we know many details of his life, but I can hardly remember finding many photos, interviews etc for most of the time I was aware of his music. And it was fantastic. Most of the musicians build a reputation, make noise around their name, create a hype, thousands of interviews, details of their personal life leaked from managers in order to affect sales, but J.J. Cale avoided all these. I guess he knew his time was near and allowed some kind of documentaries to be filmed, but you have to be into him and his style to like them. They are not building a hype, they are not made to attract a new audience. They are more like an artefact for friends, a secret yet valuable reward.
He was the only one on my list to see him play live. Unfortunately I never had the chance to go to the US. But I am sure I will see him some eternity.
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As mentioned elsewhere, I was lucky enough to see him perform in my hometown, back in 1994, and actually got to meet the legend after the show. Life changing....
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Nice little video about JJ Cale with a brief mention of DS.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/12/16/opinion/naturally-jj-cale.html
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when think that his name came to the general public just because Clapton had his cover saddens me very......a true talent, his recognizable style as a guitarist and songwriter, out of fashion, a Genius
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'(