A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: ingridswing on September 20, 2013, 09:59:34 AM
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Just read it on Guy's forum! Sounds promising!!! :D
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yes it does indeed - the complete answer to the question about the possibilty of more tour dates to come in the US:
Sorry, only dates announced for this run. We'll be back soon though...as I'm back in British Grove with Mark this week!
Which implies that the result of their work in the studio will lead to more tour dates or tour. Which can only mean work on a new MK album if I am not mistaken. Good news, also not very surprising. I was never expecting a new album more than after this tour. MK seemed so fresh and "re-loaded" that it is just logical to me.
LE
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This is the news I so much hoped for!!!!
Let's hope Guy does not mean he and Mark are working on Nigel's album (he is recording in British Grove in September, too) but on a proper MK record.
Hurrayyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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;D :clap
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GREAT news!
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Working on a new album also means a new tour in 2015 :clap
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Yes, release date would be the usual Sept/Oct date which also means ticket pre-sale starts around the same time... I did a rough count and came to this conclusion: Let's start and save money for a HEAP of tickets for the next tour...
Rash toughts.. who was saying that.. ;D
LE
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LE I so much hope you are right, but we already had a false alarm in August which turned out to be Nigel in BG.
I was jumping around with joy, only to be sobered painfully afterwards.
Let's hope!!!!!!!!
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Guy's answer leaves no room for speculations from my point of view. "We'll be back soon" can only relate to a proper MK record.. but of course nobody says they will be ready at the schedule we wish for...
I just remembered Guy's answer from July:
On 29th July Jon Bell Poitou-charentes asked: What are the chances of a new album from MK in 2014?
Guy's answer was: Well that's next year and we haven't anything recorded, so I doubt it
Maybe that will change within the next few weeks! ;)
LE
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LE I so much hope you are right, but we already had a false alarm in August which turned out to be Nigel in BG.
I was jumping around with joy, only to be sobered painfully afterwards.
Let's hope!!!!!!!!
Indeed I think Guy&Mark are playing right now on NG album
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Awesome news! I love how Guy relishes an opportunity to let the cat out of the bag! But what if Carol Friend had never asked the question about shows in Canada this year??
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Yes, that they are back in the studio seems to be great news.
I still wonder, though, how it makes sense for them to do just five shows on the US west coast this fall. There's got to be some good reason. Some have speculated that they're doing video recording for a DVD, which would be great. Or that it's in response to MK signing with a new US record company and promoting Privateering's release in the US. I don't know. Just interesting.
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Let's hope it's really a new album! MK is being prolific lately, so it's about time for a new bucket of gems!
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Just guessing based on previous schedules:
2013: mk and guy working on demos, maybe when the short US tour ends the band travel to London for some sessions
2014: The band goes to the studio late january or early february to record, then the usual production and release on september. Tour anounced and tickets on sale during october
2015: tour starting in march or april
I think it fits very well ;)
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Just guessing based on previous schedules:
2013: mk and guy working on demos, maybe when the short US tour ends the band travel to London for some sessions
2014: The band goes to the studio late january or early february to record, then the usual production and release on september. Tour anounced and tickets on sale during october
2015: tour starting in march or april
I think it fits very well ;)
Very nice, indeed
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Just for the record, Guy confirmed!
Whereas he confirmed to me only "that we work on new songs", he was able to confirm 15 seconds later (yes, it was F5-real time reading) "how about a new album". The reason for the few dates was being "eager to get back into the studio".. Also a possible US DVD asked by Julio got a No-No...
As I said, just for the record, you can read yourself. But this will maybe become a looong thread and it''s fun to read how we got started here in let's say one year...
LE
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Oh, to be a fly on the wall at BG right now!
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Yes, isn't it great. After one day for this news to sink in, I realized how blessed we are to have him this profilic at the moment.. After the last few years of constant touring, two Bob tours, double album, nobody could have wondered if he would do a break for a year or so. Instead of that, right after the holidays from touring, he gets back into the studio to work on. Really phantastic. The whole cycle will start again, Guy will probably put up another diary etc... Happy!
LE
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Yes, isn't it great. After one day for this news to sink in, I realized how blessed we are to have him this profilic at the moment.. After the last few years of constant touring, two Bob tours, double album, nobody could have wondered if he would do a break for a year or so. Instead of that, right after the holidays from touring, he gets back into the studio to work on. Really phantastic. The whole cycle will start again, Guy will probably put up another diary etc... Happy!
LE
Well, he has said he was "tripping over songs" so let us hope they are winners and he steers clear of the type of bluesy numbers he was attempting on Privateering. A loss for me.
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Yes, isn't it great. After one day for this news to sink in, I realized how blessed we are to have him this profilic at the moment.. After the last few years of constant touring, two Bob tours, double album, nobody could have wondered if he would do a break for a year or so. Instead of that, right after the holidays from touring, he gets back into the studio to work on. Really phantastic. The whole cycle will start again, Guy will probably put up another diary etc... Happy!
LE
Very happy!! :D
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So make it a triple album then ;-)
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Yes, isn't it great. After one day for this news to sink in, I realized how blessed we are to have him this profilic at the moment.. After the last few years of constant touring, two Bob tours, double album, nobody could have wondered if he would do a break for a year or so. Instead of that, right after the holidays from touring, he gets back into the studio to work on. Really phantastic. The whole cycle will start again, Guy will probably put up another diary etc... Happy!
LE
Well, he has said he was "tripping over songs" so let us hope they are winners and he steers clear of the type of bluesy numbers he was attempting on Privateering. A loss for me.
Well, your loss - others' gain ;)
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Actually I got a NO to my "Can you confirm something about it?" Fool of me I didnt learn how to ask Guy yet, maybe it doesnt mean it wont be any dvd, but that he can not confirm ;D
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Actually I got a NO to my "Can you confirm something about it?" Fool of me I didnt learn how to ask Guy yet, maybe it doesnt mean it wont be any dvd, but that he can not confirm ;D
Maybe even they don't know what is going to happen. So, I guess the complete answer may be "no, I can't confirm anything about anything, cuz we are as blind as you for now"...
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Phantastic news!! :D :D And so quick after the tour. If they speed up working then hoping for a release in sept 2014. ;) That would be really fast!
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It's now confirmed that they are working on new album the Q was asked by our own Forumer Singh. Yeah !!!!! :thumbsup :clap And the answer was a short and sweet " YuP" I concluded that to get answers from GF, it has to be short "YES ? or NO ?
Now, we can put two and two together. On :wavely 5 shows in the US so they can get back to work on the new album . :clap :clap
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Wowzers - friggin awesome!! Maybe we/I can ask a question about an album or future projects next Friday!!!
I agree, wholeheartedly with LE in that MK & band feel/sound fresh and in fine fettle and it would be criminal NOT to continue with anything else!
Roll on the new album whatever it may contain - pure genius me thinks!!
So, it won't be long until we all meet up again on another tour then!!!! Woooohoooo!!
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Very happy :)
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a dream for me is that mark will play an album or some songs tribute to JJ Cale, songs that haves that taste of tulsa sound, with guitars like in heads in georgia better like a knife cutting through to six blades 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
straitsway75
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We had bluebird on the last album that could have been JJ
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We had bluebird on the last album that could have been JJ
yes I know, but I would an album made in this way not only a pair of tracks......would you not like this?
straitsway75
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Hi guys! You made me smile again! It was a very difficult and sad week after the loss of my grandma. I am sure that we will hear again great songs as always from Mark and Band !!!!! Vgonis were are you? We should have a meeting soon!!!!!!!!!
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Yes, isn't it great. After one day for this news to sink in, I realized how blessed we are to have him this profilic at the moment.. After the last few years of constant touring, two Bob tours, double album, nobody could have wondered if he would do a break for a year or so. Instead of that, right after the holidays from touring, he gets back into the studio to work on. Really phantastic. The whole cycle will start again, Guy will probably put up another diary etc... Happy!
LE
Well, he has said he was "tripping over songs" so let us hope they are winners and he steers clear of the type of bluesy numbers he was attempting on Privateering. A loss for me.
Well, your loss - others' gain ;)
I think it's about time Mark gets into making more bluesy songs. :thumbsup :clap Something along the line of Bluebird. ( loveeeeee that song !)
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Yes, isn't it great. After one day for this news to sink in, I realized how blessed we are to have him this profilic at the moment.. After the last few years of constant touring, two Bob tours, double album, nobody could have wondered if he would do a break for a year or so. Instead of that, right after the holidays from touring, he gets back into the studio to work on. Really phantastic. The whole cycle will start again, Guy will probably put up another diary etc... Happy!
LE
Well, he has said he was "tripping over songs" so let us hope they are winners and he steers clear of the type of bluesy numbers he was attempting on Privateering. A loss for me.
Well, your loss - others' gain ;)
I think it's about time Mark gets into making more bluesy songs. :thumbsup :clap Something along the line of Bluebird. ( loveeeeee that song !)
Actually I love Bluebird too, but apart from that things like Don't forget Your Hat, Got to Have Something and Today Is Okay are just rubbish IMHO. Almost embarrassing that MK wrote such tripe and released it. He's much better than that. :disbelief
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Yes, isn't it great. After one day for this news to sink in, I realized how blessed we are to have him this profilic at the moment.. After the last few years of constant touring, two Bob tours, double album, nobody could have wondered if he would do a break for a year or so. Instead of that, right after the holidays from touring, he gets back into the studio to work on. Really phantastic. The whole cycle will start again, Guy will probably put up another diary etc... Happy!
LE
Well, he has said he was "tripping over songs" so let us hope they are winners and he steers clear of the type of bluesy numbers he was attempting on Privateering. A loss for me.
Well, your loss - others' gain ;)
I think it's about time Mark gets into making more bluesy songs. :thumbsup :clap Something along the line of Bluebird. ( loveeeeee that song !)
Actually I love Bluebird too, but apart from that things like Don't forget Your Hat, Got to Have Something and Today Is Okay are just rubbish IMHO. Almost embarrassing that MK wrote such tripe and released it. He's much better than that. :disbelief
Yep, "Don't forget your hat" and "Today is okay", along with "Hot or what" and "Gator blood", are absolutely skippers for me. "Got to have something" it's a very energetic song, imho.
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I love "Today is OK"! It's one of my favourites from the album. The harmonica is amazing! "Gator Blood" is fantastic live. Much better than on the album! :)
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I love "Today is OK"! It's one of my favourites from the album.
Oh Val, oh deary me. :disbelief :disbelief
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I love "Today is OK"! It's one of my favourites from the album.
Oh Val, oh deary me. :disbelief :disbelief
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Yes, I know - I'm a hopeless case, and when I have the album on shuffle, I'm always so pleased when it pops up! ;D
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It is indeed. I love the lyrics, the drumming... it is one of the better songs of the album. Songs I could live without on Privateering: Hot Or What, Blood and Water, After The Beanstalk. The blues songs are great, Don't Forget Your Hat is really sounding great played loud. And: I prefer Gotta Have Something every day over the boring Radio City Serenade and the album version of Kingdom of Gold. That one came to live when MK played it live, not before.
"... some we like and some we hate..."
LE
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"... some we like and some we hate..."
But we surely hate to hate them... 8)
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I love "Today is OK"! It's one of my favourites from the album.
Oh Val, oh deary me. :disbelief :disbelief
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I have to agree with you Val, as 'Today is ok' is rather groovy IMHO and I just love the deep bluesy riff on it!!
'Gator Blood' - well both versions are cool but 'Live' - oh wow!!!
Now - 'Don't forget your hat' & 'After the Beanstalk' now they are tripe.......
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think why i like the privateering so much is it actually has some blues on it, I think gator blood miles better on the album than live love the grainy sound on it too, and do like today is ok too,
just wish he would just do some proper dirty blues on the national guitar be really good!!
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This thread gave me a wake up call :D . I havn`t written here since some months and I have read only now and then. But this are really good news :D . Those of us who know me longer know: I love Bluebird and would love to hear new music in this style. Maybe again a double-album, one cd with slower songs, one with faster songs, so you can choose according to the mood you are in....
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Yes, isn't it great. After one day for this news to sink in, I realized how blessed we are to have him this profilic at the moment.. After the last few years of constant touring, two Bob tours, double album, nobody could have wondered if he would do a break for a year or so. Instead of that, right after the holidays from touring, he gets back into the studio to work on. Really phantastic. The whole cycle will start again, Guy will probably put up another diary etc... Happy!
LE
Well, he has said he was "tripping over songs" so let us hope they are winners and he steers clear of the type of bluesy numbers he was attempting on Privateering. A loss for me.
Well, your loss - others' gain ;)
I think it's about time Mark gets into making more bluesy songs. :thumbsup :clap Something along the line of Bluebird. ( loveeeeee that song !)
Actually I love Bluebird too, but apart from that things like Don't forget Your Hat, Got to Have Something and Today Is Okay are just rubbish IMHO. Almost embarrassing that MK wrote such tripe and released it. He's much better than that. :disbelief
I have to agree with dmg and others again that I found songs like " don't forget your hat" " hot or what" "after the beanstalk" "today is Ok" are quite downright embarrassing to hear from our great hero. Got to have something is not bad though. Quite groovy. Like Mona Dee. "Bluebird" is my most favorite song in the album follows by "Go Love" Bluebird is the best bluesy song from Mark ever IMO.
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SS - I agree with you that 'DFYH' & also 'ATB' are embarrassing but really and truly so is 'Go Love' ??
'Today is okay' - wow great Blues Riff yet again....
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SS - I agree with you that 'DFYH' & also 'ATB' are embarrassing but really and truly so is 'Go Love' ??
'Today is okay' - wow great Blues Riff yet again....
Can I be the only one who likes "After The Beanstalk"? I love it when Mark sings "Oh mamma what's the matter now" and it is echoed by that wonderful harmonica! I just can't help myself in singing along! I hope the neighbours can't hear me - my "singing" is abysmal! ;D
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Singing along - that' s just too funny, I was thinking about that this week also (and did it..)
in fact, I was thinking when I listened to some of the live shows that especially the new songs Corned Beef City, Privateering and I Used To Could are very singing-alongish!! I did it with headphones on and did not care for my neighbours a second ;D
It is not so much about the meanings itself, or if the melodies are great or elaborated or not, it is just that the words and syllables and the phonetic stuff is really easy to feel and sing... same with I dug up a diamond, which made me think if this might be a VERY important part for MK to choose his set list songs for... I found that for example What It Is and Young Two Crows is very hard to and laborious to sing along... see what Mark did with the latter one...
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LE
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I love "Today is OK"! It's one of my favourites from the album.
Oh Val, oh deary me. :disbelief :disbelief
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I have to agree with you Val, as 'Today is ok' is rather groovy IMHO and I just love the deep bluesy riff on it!!
'Gator Blood' - well both versions are cool but 'Live' - oh wow!!!
Now - 'Don't forget your hat' & 'After the Beanstalk' now they are tripe.......
couldnt agree more, "Today is ok" is very cool song and I *love* the piano part in the chorus....
Shame MK didnt play it live...
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Today on Guy's forum he says tourplanning will start at the minimum 1 year before it starts. Do you think about now the management of MK is already booking venues for a new tour that will probably start march 2015??? :think
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At least I think that that was exactly the intension of the question!!
I guess they will start at in early 2014 with planning a tour that should start at the usual time in spring 2014 (Mar/Apr)
LE
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At least I think that that was exactly the intension of the question!!
I guess they will start at in early 2014 with planning a tour that should start at the usual time in spring 2014 (Mar/Apr)
LE
I dont think they will tour before 2015
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At least I think that that was exactly the intension of the question!!
I guess they will start at in early 2014 with planning a tour that should start at the usual time in spring 2014 (Mar/Apr)
LE
I dont think they will tour before 2015
Well I guess LE was intending to say spring 2015.
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Yes, sorry, typo. Planning early 2014, next Tour 2015 was what I wanted to say. :disbelief
LE
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Yes, sorry, typo. Planning early 2014, next Tour 2015 was what I wanted to say. :disbelief
LE
Beware! I know all your moves!
8) 8) 8)
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I also like After the beanstalk. :)
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SS - I agree with you that 'DFYH' & also 'ATB' are embarrassing but really and truly so is 'Go Love' ??
'Today is okay' - wow great Blues Riff yet again....
I love it when Mark sings "Oh mamma what's the matter now" and it is echoed by that wonderful harmonica! I just can't help myself in singing along! I hope the neighbours can't hear me - my "singing" is abysmal! ;D
Oh poor old Colin - He doesn't want that!!!
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SS - I agree with you that 'DFYH' & also 'ATB' are embarrassing but really and truly so is 'Go Love' ??
'Today is okay' - wow great Blues Riff yet again....
I love it when Mark sings "Oh mamma what's the matter now" and it is echoed by that wonderful harmonica! I just can't help myself in singing along! I hope the neighbours can't hear me - my "singing" is abysmal! ;D
Oh poor old Colin - He doesn't want that!!!
LOL! He probably could do without my terrible voice, but he also likes "Beanstalk" and I have heard him singing along himself, with that and other songs - doubly bad for the neighbours! ;D
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I also like After the beanstalk. :)
One of my favourites, very cool song!
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I also like After the beanstalk. :)
One of my favourites, very cool song!
That makes three of us then! ;D 8)
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I also like After the beanstalk. :)
One of my favourites, very cool song!
That makes three of us then! ;D 8)
My 3 year old loves it as she likes the words and singing along to it. When she hears it she tells me Mamas not happy cause she's gotta milk the cows.
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In case MK & GF read the forum to get new ideas for the next record, i have to say I don't like "after the beanstalk". ;)
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Well, it's very unlikely that they would record the song once more for another new record, wouldn't they?
;D ;D ;D ;D
LE
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Well, it's very unlikely that they would record the song once more for another new record, wouldn't they?
;D ;D ;D ;D
LE
Do you wanna bet?
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Well they record the same songs many times in every album ;)
Do you see or hear any difference in Shangri-La, The fish & the bird, Whoop de doo, in the sky, Hard shoulder, The car was the one, Miss you blues, Monteleone, Don't forget your hat, Blood and water, Seattle .... ? And a few other ones I don't even remember the title.
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Not sure if you are joking now or serious about this? I cannot see any resemblance in those listed songs... ??
LE
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Not sure if you are joking now or serious about this? I cannot see any resemblance in those listed songs... ??
LE
Half serious / half joking. Resemblance : same boredom :-[
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Thanks! :wave
LE
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I agree with tunnel. They are many songs which sounds the same (same chords, same structure, same tone, same overall sounding), far more than during DS era IMHO.
When I listen to a new MK album, I am rarely surprised. Even at firts listen, I tell myslef, "and now the next chord will be...and now the solo will come just now, and now we will have a bridge, etc...."
when a new album is released you can bet that there will be at least one or several :
- irish song
- blues song
- balad
- rocking tune
and each one will be in the same mood than previous ones in previous albums..
I think that DS album were far more surprising, I mean musically.
I think that you have more ressemblances between solo songs than betwween DS song
but, as Guy said some years ago, all in all we have only 8 notes in the end... so it's almots impossible to compose something totally NEW on each album.
And I think that it's not only MK's case, it's in the whole pop-rock music, even maybe in th music in general, or even maybe in art general.
Who can said that he recently saw/heard/read something which hasn't any ressemblance with something done in the past ?
what is the last movie, or the last song, or the last painting about we can say "wow it has never been done before !"
About pop-rock music, I think that during 60ies there was a lot of band/artists/songs, almost every days which made people thinking "hey what's that ? I've never heard such a thing ? where does it comes from ? from mars ?"
Now, it's all in the "same" style. But it doesn't mean that I don't like it :)
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Thanks! :wave
LE
What are you expecting from a MK album. Its the same voice, guitar and writer with more years behind him. I dont listen to DS as I enjoy MK far more these days.
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Exactly, banjo! I agree. My "thank you" was addressed to Tunnel85 for clearing up so fast my misunderstanding if his post was fun or not. All the songs he listened I do love wholeheartedly, apart from Blood & Water...
LE
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but, as Guy said some years ago, all in all we have only 8 notes in the end... so it's almots impossible to compose something totally NEW on each album.
And I think that it's not only MK's case, it's in the whole pop-rock music, even maybe in th music in general, or even maybe in art general.
Exactly! That is why Mozart, Beethoven, Chopin, Picasso, Rembrandt etc and also MK are instantly recognisable - because they have/had their own particular style!
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but, as Guy said some years ago, all in all we have only 8 notes in the end... so it's almots impossible to compose something totally NEW on each album.
And I think that it's not only MK's case, it's in the whole pop-rock music, even maybe in th music in general, or even maybe in art general.
Exactly! That is why Mozart, Beethoven, Chopin, Picasso, Rembrandt etc and also MK are instantly recognisable - because they have/had their own particular style!
Mozart...what was it he painted again? :think :hmm
With the greatest of respect Val, you can hardly say something like Haul Away and Hot or What both sound the same. :)
I've got to say that when I read Tunnels' post a few bells started ringing and then JF put down further words that were in line with what I was thinking too. Then, last night I wrote a little post about the merits of Comminique (the album) and, to be more precise the songs that are on it, and I'm thinking that even the ones I don't like on that album are much better IMHO than anything he's written for over a decade. Maybe more. :think
I think that there are many DS songs that are well known to other people outside of the DS fan base but no one knows any MK songs. There must be a reason for that and I know that popularity isn't a scale on which one should judge how great a song is, but when people ask "who is Mark Knopfler?" then you just know his songs aren't making any kind of impact any more. If he's "tripping over songs" then I think he should do a little housekeeping and throw out all the rubbish.
That's the cat among the pigeons - now be gentle with me please!
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but, as Guy said some years ago, all in all we have only 8 notes in the end... so it's almots impossible to compose something totally NEW on each album.
And I think that it's not only MK's case, it's in the whole pop-rock music, even maybe in th music in general, or even maybe in art general.
Exactly! That is why Mozart, Beethoven, Chopin, Picasso, Rembrandt etc and also MK are instantly recognisable - because they have/had their own particular style!
Mozart...what was it he painted again? :think :hmm
With the greatest of respect Val, you can hardly say something like Haul Away and Hot or What both sound the same. :)
"Mozart...what was it he painted again? :think"
Now come on, dmg, you know what I meant! I'm sure I don't have to spell it out to you, do I? ::) ;D
Regarding "Haul Away" and "Hot or What". No, of course they don't both sound the same, but they are both MK songs and have his particular stamp on them, which I would still recognise as MK. You can't have it both ways, you know - either you think everything sounds the same, or not, but it is still MK, just as Mozart always sounds like Mozart, whether it be Turkish Rondo or a Piano Concerto - both completely different, but recognisable as Mozart. :)
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".... but when people ask "who is Mark Knopfler?" then you just know his songs aren't making any kind of impact any more. "
That is because his solo material is largely ignored by radio and the media these days and we are force-fed what they want us to hear, so the general public have little exposure to his music - except for DS songs!
Regarding Communique. It is probably my favourite DS album, but there are many more MK solo songs that I enjoy just as much, or even more than the songs on Communique, but then I am more of a solo MK fan these days. :)
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Yeah, that's the question: What is a good song?
For me, it is often not the same as what media/other fans/general opinion thinks - but that might have to do with my missing knowledge of music, theoretical and practical. I know what I like and like not. For example, on Get Lucky, I like the whole album, but if you would ask me, which of those songs would probably stand the test in the eyes of the experts, what would be really a good, lasting song? I would guess: Hard Shoulder, Monteleone, Get Lucky and So Far From The Clyde. At the most. But my favourite track is: Before Gas & TV, because it collects brilliantly everything that's so great about MK and what we know about him. On Privateering, I would say: Redbud Tree, Go, Love, Seattle. These are perfect to me. Can I judge if they are compositorical great, of if they are just a clone from other MK songs? No. And these are not automatically the ones I listen very often to: The most played tracks on Privateering for me are Miss You Blues, Seattle, I Used To Could, Gator Blood...
Best song on STP for me: One Last Matinee. Does anyone agree? STP itself is a masterpiece sure enough, also because he used to play it live a lot. But the track I listen to the most on STP is El Macho, Wanderlust until the end of the record...
What I want to say: It depends on what you are looking for. In listing these songs, I don't mean the others are worse but only that these could be critically acclaimed as masterpieces. If the music is great AND the melody AND the lyrics AND the guitar AND the vocals AND the rest then it might be a very good song. Otherwise it is just the usual high MK standard...
Sorry, very strange post, couldn't say it better.
dmg is right. It seems MK has not really written a true masterpiece since let's say 2000, 2002.... Really great songs are rare. Song like SFA. And Speedway. And Brothers. MK knows why he still plays them.
Lyrics are sometimes more important to me than some compositorical ideas in a song. The best melody can turn me off when the lyrics are stupid... seldom enough in MK's world of course...
For example I never understood what was so great about If This Is Goodbye. I remember lots of high praises among fans (still MKNews then). And although I felt the sadness about the event 9/11, I never got what was so emotional about these lyrics, I found them cheesy and almost inappropiate by using these pictures "..in tatters", "..made me feel I could fly" "...what we are made out of"" when speaking about love IN RELATION to 9/11. I know of course the idea behind it but for me, one of the rare occasions where MK's lyrics really failed. Sorry to say. Also the complete mood of the chosen musical style did not fit for me. Here we are again by me not having a clue about music!
To end not on this bitter note: A positive example for how great he is a wordsmith, the lyrics of Remembrance Day come to mind. He spoke about the memorials/monuments all over the country and they often listed the names of these young men as an inspiration for it, and isn't it phantastic how he works with the picture of this monument in another incarnation: "maypole", then "steeple", and another picture first "fielding on home ground" later "stubbled ground" - when I heard these lines first, I though I really could smell the potatoe fires in autumn... and in German, we have the word "mow down" ("niederm
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".... but when people ask "who is Mark Knopfler?" then you just know his songs aren't making any kind of impact any more. "
That is because his solo material is largely ignored by radio and the media these days and we are force-fed what they want us to hear, so the general public have little exposure to his music - except for DS songs!
Regarding Communique. It is probably my favourite DS album, but there are many more MK solo songs that I enjoy just as much, or even more than the songs on Communique, but then I am more of a solo MK fan these days. :)
Whole heartedly agree with all of that.
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I may sound over simplistic, but I divide artists into two categories: the ones that follow the trends, maybe losing old fans but gaining new ones and the others that keep on doing what they were originally became known for, probably not gaining many new fans but surely keeping the old ones. And then we have MK, a category on his own. I think (and can speak for the others here) that our age is very important about what period of MK we like. I mean that DS is still my favourite all time band. MK is the guitar and voice that stills sooth me because I know so well, after spending my youth listening to DS. And yes, the surprise is not there anymore. But maybe it is a good thing. And maybe it is the 38 year old me that is talking. I don't know what the 13 year old me would have said if he'd listened back then what MK releases now.
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I may sound over simplistic, but I divide artists into two categories: the ones that follow the trends, maybe losing old fans but gaining new ones and the others that keep on doing what they were originally became known for, probably not gaining many new fans but surely keeping the old ones. And then we have MK, a category on his own. I think (and can speak for the others here) that our age is very important about what period of MK we like. I mean that DS is still my favourite all time band. MK is the guitar and voice that stills sooth me because I know so well, after spending my youth listening to DS. And yes, the surprise is not there anymore. But maybe it is a good thing. And maybe it is the 38 year old me that is talking. I don't know what the 13 year old me would have said if he'd listened back then what MK releases now.
I'm 37. Does that mean that next year I'll finally grow up and prefer MK's music to DS? ;)
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I may sound over simplistic, but I divide artists into two categories: the ones that follow the trends, maybe losing old fans but gaining new ones and the others that keep on doing what they were originally became known for, probably not gaining many new fans but surely keeping the old ones. And then we have MK, a category on his own. I think (and can speak for the others here) that our age is very important about what period of MK we like. I mean that DS is still my favourite all time band. MK is the guitar and voice that stills sooth me because I know so well, after spending my youth listening to DS. And yes, the surprise is not there anymore. But maybe it is a good thing. And maybe it is the 38 year old me that is talking. I don't know what the 13 year old me would have said if he'd listened back then what MK releases now.
I'm 37. Does that mean that next year I'll finally grow up and prefer MK's music to DS? ;)
I've been grown up twice - so what should be my favourite era? :think ;D
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I may sound over simplistic, but I divide artists into two categories: the ones that follow the trends, maybe losing old fans but gaining new ones and the others that keep on doing what they were originally became known for, probably not gaining many new fans but surely keeping the old ones. And then we have MK, a category on his own. I think (and can speak for the others here) that our age is very important about what period of MK we like. I mean that DS is still my favourite all time band. MK is the guitar and voice that stills sooth me because I know so well, after spending my youth listening to DS. And yes, the surprise is not there anymore. But maybe it is a good thing. And maybe it is the 38 year old me that is talking. I don't know what the 13 year old me would have said if he'd listened back then what MK releases now.
I'm 37. Does that mean that next year I'll finally grow up and prefer MK's music to DS? ;)
I've been grown up twice - so what should be my favourite era? :think ;D
Maybe that's why you're so mixed up and think Marbletown's a good song! ;)
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I may sound over simplistic, but I divide artists into two categories: the ones that follow the trends, maybe losing old fans but gaining new ones and the others that keep on doing what they were originally became known for, probably not gaining many new fans but surely keeping the old ones. And then we have MK, a category on his own. I think (and can speak for the others here) that our age is very important about what period of MK we like. I mean that DS is still my favourite all time band. MK is the guitar and voice that stills sooth me because I know so well, after spending my youth listening to DS. And yes, the surprise is not there anymore. But maybe it is a good thing. And maybe it is the 38 year old me that is talking. I don't know what the 13 year old me would have said if he'd listened back then what MK releases now.
I'm 37. Does that mean that next year I'll finally grow up and prefer MK's music to DS? ;)
I've been grown up twice - so what should be my favourite era? :think ;D
Maybe that's why you're so mixed up and think Marbletown's a good song! ;)
No, I KNOW Marbletown's a good song - album version and live version! :)
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As a matter of fact I wrote" I can't speak for the others here" but for some reason AMIT revealed only the can part!
I think that the age is very important factor. I don't expect any youngsters to like MK's solo stuff as much as DS ones. We were the generation that heard DS while in existence and that must have gone through more as an experience, than just a pass time music of the times trend. They were hip back then and getting the exposure that affected all audiences, young and old, serious and more light. And the special weight of this exposure left an imprint in our generation. But, despite this impact, DS are considered by many to be a part of the baby-boomers, light weight/heavy sales (see Genesis/Phil Collins?sting-sorry Dusty) , that have affected music in a negative way, UNLIKE other bands such as Led AZeppelin, Deep Purple, Pink Floyd etc, that have a word of mouth huge following and at younger generations. (Maybe I am wrong, but this is the feeling I have)
And to push things a bit more, some months ago , we were going to my village/mothers hometown for a memorial service. I thought that it would be appropriate to put some MK in the car stereo for the 90 minute drive. We listened to Privateering and part of Get Lucky. My father (74) told me this:" Is this the one you have been listening all these years? He is not bad, but I wish he had some more up beat songs. It gets a bit boring after a while". Now this I never expected from my father, since he rarely listens to foreign music. :)
And dmg I was born in March 1976, so it is a matter of counting, to say 37 or 38. ;D
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Val, I really don't take sides! I mean that I am here because I still love to listen to MK! But I am just saying that younger people are more likely to listen to old DS songs than new MK ones, which is a paradox! Or maybe it isn't, since MK was younger when he wrote in DS so it strikes a chord in the younger hearts and those young at heart. ;)
And Adele is not the only new thing out there. Many fantastic new musicians and music. (Voxtrot, Belle and Sebastian, Darren Hayman, Arcade fire, etc)
And anyway, to me anything I listen for the first time is new no matter when it was first released.
The Bob Dylan bootleg series n.10 was new music to me, and fine I might add, but first recorded 43 years ago!
But you already know all these so no need to elaborate any further!
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Val, I really don't take sides! I mean that I am here because I still love to listen to MK! But I am just saying that younger people are more likely to listen to old DS songs than new MK ones, which is a paradox! Or maybe it isn't, since MK was younger when he wrote in DS so it strikes a chord in the younger hearts and those young at heart. ;)
And Adele is not the only new thing out there. Many fantastic new musicians and music. (Voxtrot, Belle and Sebastian, Darren Hayman, Arcade fire, etc)
And anyway, to me anything I listen for the first time is new no matter when it was first released.
The Bob Dylan bootleg series n.10 was new music to me, and fine I might add, but first recorded 43 years ago!
But you already know all these so no need to elaborate any further!
Adele was just an example, as you know, but maybe the reason younger people listen more to DS than MK solo is that they are not just not exposed to that music, maybe don't even know that MK has gone solo! It is not played on radio and MK doesn't appear on tv music shows! Maybe if they were given the chance, they might just like it too! Stranger things have happened! :)
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Indeed! Like listening to Bieber and Timberlake! ;D
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Indeed! Like listening to Bieber and Timberlake! ;D
Well, probably not Bieber, but even though I'm not still young, I think I can say I'm still young at heart and follow the music scene! ;)
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I didn't find the time to further discussion since my last post, and I read lot of comments I want to reply, so I apologize in advance for the long post.
I'm going to try to put it in a comprehensive way, but forgive me if it seems a little bit confused.
and sorry for my poor English which doesn't allow me to explain exactly what I mean, but I hope you'll get the whole idea.
I find rating MK at the same level/range than Mozart, Rembrandt is a little bit exaggerated / overrated IMHO.
As I said many times before, MK/DS music is my favorite one, It's the one I like the most, I enjoy the most to listen. But it's not the one I would rate as the "best" .
To illustrate this statement, some months ago, we took the car for a little family journey. The Privateering CD was already in the player, I tuned it on, and it was on the song "haul away".
After 3 seconds, my wife said "oh no, always this same "rengaine" for all these years..."
she had never heard the album/song, and his first impression was (like for all albums in the past) : "the same music/melody for ages, no surprise, boring, etc...
although I love the song, I enjoy very much listen to it, I must admit, that I didn't find any argument to convince her about the "musical quality" of the song. Indeed she is right : many songs sounds the same, and can sound "boring". Even fans here on AMIT admit that they have to listen several times to start to get an interest in some songs...
and of course, my wife isn't the only example of this reaction. many friends feel the same when I make them listen to solo work : they mime they're going to sleep....
exactly what dmg and vgonis said.
So I don't think it's only a matter of radio airing his songs or not, it's also the fact that his songs are not really....well how can I say ? i guess you understand
since decades, mark's music is "quiet" "still" "untroubled", "p
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I didn't mean that MK was on the same level as Mozart, etc but that he has a certain style that is immediately recognisable, just as they have. ;)
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I didn't mean that MK was on the same level as Mozart, etc but that he has a certain style that is immediately recognisable, just as they have. ;)
Definitely not the same level :disbelief
He is far better than Mozart (and of course the Beatles, Hendrix, Picasso...) ;D
Problem with Mark is he is now in Dylan mode : any of his songs is either pure genius or a disaster. :think
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JF, totally get you! :)
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The thing I find particularly interesting is that there is a group of DS fans who are around the same age - 37/38 and that is the age I began listening to DS, so I feel I have been there and done all that - got the T-shirt, etc and now I have moved on and have become an MK fan! Still enjoy listening to a few DS songs though! :)
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JF, totally get you! :)
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Well written btw. :thumbsup
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I agree with LE when he says he isn't a musical expert to judge Mark's songs.
Ambiguous... ;D ;D no, just kidding, your line is fine with me... I am 42 by the way. Just saying. Everybody says how old he is today.
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I agree with LE when he says he isn't a musical expert to judge Mark's songs.
Everybody says how old he is today.
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Except for the ladies of AMIT... :think Not that it matters because they're all hotties anyway, I can tell! :P
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Guilty of being 37 years old and proud daddy of a baby girl of 1 month, that I will miss a lot when attending Mk concerts on 2015 ;D
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Guilty of being 37 years old and proud daddy of a baby girl of 1 month, that I will miss a lot when attending Mk concerts on 2015 ;D
Congratulations, Jbaent! You could take her with you in a little back-pack! ;D
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For those brave enough to reveal their personnal info during registration, the Calendar of AMIT, shows both birthdays and age! It is just a bit easier to write it! ;D
jbaent congrats for your baby daughter! Parenthood is a wonderful mystery. Like MK's solo works it seems. ;)
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JF,
Just going to put my tuppence worth in....
Not sure Im agreeing with the songs/tunes sound the same quote, personally there are a couple that are closely related but in general the range of genres MK offers make him unique and rated! Now if you want to compare to an artist whose songs siynd the same and that has to be joe bonamassa who we saw live a few weeks ago and I ended up yawning. MK for me anyday.....
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The thing I find particularly interesting is that there is a group of DS fans who are around the same age - 37/38 and that is the age I began listening to DS, so I feel I have been there and done all that - got the T-shirt, etc and now I have moved on and have become an MK fan! Still enjoy listening to a few DS songs though! :)
Im guilty of that too, but I started listening to DS at 15 and got to see them twice. Lucky me.
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I agree with LE when he says he isn't a musical expert to judge Mark's songs.
Ambiguous... ;D ;D no, just kidding, your line is fine with me... I am 42 by the way. Just saying. Everybody says how old he is today.
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sorry LE, my sentence didn't have any 2nd or 3rd degree, I just wanted to say that I feel exactly like you :)
I never tend to mean I was a musical expert, because I'm not :) so I just wanted to say that your line was perfect to quote what I meant
and I am also 42 ;) ;) ;)
a little bit too much threads at the same time these days, it's hard to follow all discussions and to be sure if everybody read your replies on other threads ::)
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The thing I find particularly interesting is that there is a group of DS fans who are around the same age - 37/38 and that is the age I began listening to DS, so I feel I have been there and done all that - got the T-shirt, etc and now I have moved on and have become an MK fan! Still enjoy listening to a few DS songs though! :)
Don't really understand this comment. If you preciously loved DS but have "moved on" and now prefer MK solo music, then when was the cut-off point? I mean it's the same man behind the songs, so does this mean you don't like the early MK solo albums any more too? What's in a name? :)
P.S. You also got your figures mixed up because DS wasn't formed when you were that age. :hmm
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Just going to put my tuppence worth in....
Not sure Im agreeing with the songs/tunes sound the same quote, personally there are a couple that are closely related but in general the range of genres MK offers make him unique and rated! Now if you want to compare to an artist whose songs siynd the same and that has to be joe bonamassa who we saw live a few weeks ago and I ended up yawning. MK for me anyday.....
I know what you mean
some artists tend to compose songs even more closer than others, and of course in blues-rock, you have quickly ended with the 3 chords pattern, so I agree that artists like Bonamassa and mostly all blues players sound (almost) always the same.
I agree when you say that MK offers a range of more genres than Bonamassa, BUT in each genre (irish, blues, ballad) all songs have (too) many things in common.
and the paradox is that in late 70ies and early 80ies, when Mark offered less range of genres ( there wasn't pure blues tunes, irish tunes, etc...) I find that his music offered more diversity.
You can say that e.g. the first album is mainly in only ONE style : country-blues-laid-back or whatever you neme it. But I find more diversity in it than in his latest work where you have irish, rock, blues, balads, or whatever.
I think that the "amount of diversity" is not necessarily in the quantity of genres, it's more in the ideas you bring, the different feeling you give to the song, etc...
well sorry, difficult to expalin in my non-native language :-[
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No, you are spot on, saying it as it is!
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depressed to read that dmg, le and jbaent are older than me, despite looking much younger. :(
And val of course. :)
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Guilty of being 37 years old and proud daddy of a baby girl of 1 month, that I will miss a lot when attending Mk concerts on 2015 ;D
:D Congrats on your baby girl, jbaent!!!! :D Wishing you and your family much joy and happiness!!
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Congratulations Jbaent, enjoy your newborn :)
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QUOTE: Don't really understand this comment. If you preciously loved DS but have "moved on" and now prefer MK solo music, then when was the cut-off point? I mean it's the same man behind the songs, so does this mean you don't like the early MK solo albums any more too? What's in a name? :)
P.S. You also got your figures mixed up because DS wasn't formed when you were that age. :hmm" UNQUOTE
Well, of course, I still love DS songs, but I prefer listening to MK solo these days. There was no cut-off point - it just gradually happened when I realised I was listening to and enjoying the solo material much more than DS, probably because of being able to attend so many solo concerts. Seeing MK live is something very special and that brings the songs to life, including the few DS songs that remain. Also I prefer Mark's voice these days and also many of his lyrics.
I could ask you the same question. In your words - "It's the same man behind the songs" and "What's in a name?" So, why do you prefer DS to MK solo, which you clearly do?
PS - You think I'm THAT old? :hmm :o ;)
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You're a star jbaent. :thumbsup
Would have been so great to do the same as for Rome. We missed it for 4 weeks. Can't win every time. :P
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depressed to read that dmg, le and jbaent are older than me, despite looking much younger. :(
And val of course. :)
It's the stress of living in Scotland Dusty - very ageing! ;)
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depressed to read that dmg, le and jbaent are older than me, despite looking much younger. :(
And val of course. :)
That was jbaent a couple of months ago. Now he is a big boy. ;)
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depressed to read that dmg, le and jbaent are older than me, despite looking much younger. :(
And val of course. :)
Thanks dusty, that's cheered me up! :) Don't be depressed - you looked very young to me! :wave
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After all like Sean Connery and good wine, some people look and get better with age. But Dusty you are probably fishing for compliments. ;)
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Jbaent, I'm in the (almost) same case as you !
37 years old and proud daddy of a 10 months old baby girl I'll miss during the MK 2015 shows ! ;D
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Jbaent, I'm in the (almost) same case as you !
37 years old and proud daddy of a 10 months old baby girl I'll miss during the MK 2015 shows ! ;D
Baby girls, you're both lucky ;) They are much quieter than boys. You can do a few more shows before Mummy says that's enough. ;)
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Jbaent, I'm in the (almost) same case as you !
37 years old and proud daddy of a 10 months old baby girl I'll miss during the MK 2015 shows ! ;D
Baby girls, you're both lucky ;) They are much quieter than boys. You can do a few more shows before Mummy says that's enough. ;)
My mum always told me the opposite, she has 2 girls (I am one of them), her sister has 3 boys. My mum said: you can better have 3 boys than 2 girls ;-)
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I can't really say. I have two girls and it is beatiful, I guess the same goes with boys. The only thing I miss is personal time alone and with your other half and with friends and relatives. But having kids is magic, it completely changes your life.
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Although I was only ... kidding, I keep on thinking girls are quieter.
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I'm the proud daddy of my 4 months old Gabriela. All I can say is that she's not causing so much trouble for a 39 years old father.
Down here everyone says girls are quieter than boys and I tend to agree with it. All she wants by now is her milk and some funny ridiculous faces when she's not sleeping...
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It is really relative. I mean what a girl wants and what a mother and father can offer or think that should give. It is also a matter of understanding. A woman seems to understand better the needs of a girl, yet the Oedipus syndrome...
But this is about Guy going back to studio with Mark. ;D
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Guy going back to the studio has a lot to do with us having kids. Perfect timing to me, next tour will be when my girl is two or three years old, perfect to have their aunts or grands taking care of her while im out ;D
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What age do people think is suitable for a MK concert?
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So, back to the topic.. ;)
I have two girls: an 18-year old and an almost 15-year old. My observation is that boys are a little more active, or noisier, when they are younger. But when the girls become teenagers... they are the ones creating a lot of "noise", etc. ::) >:( ;D
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So, back to the topic.. ;)
I have two girls: an 18-year old and an almost 15-year old. My observation is that boys are a little more active, or noisier, when they are younger. But when the girls become teenagers... they are the ones creating a lot of "noise", etc. ::) >:( ;D
U-hu. I'm anticipating the loss of the few portions of hair I sitll have...
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So, back to the topic.. ;)
I have two girls: an 18-year old and an almost 15-year old. My observation is that boys are a little more active, or noisier, when they are younger. But when the girls become teenagers... they are the ones creating a lot of "noise", etc. ::) >:( ;D
U-hu. I'm anticipating the loss of the few portions of hair I sitll have...
Yup -- no time like the present to appreciate every hair you have!! :D
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Why not open a new thread about kids and leave this one to the topic "Guy is back in studio with MK"... :disbelief
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Why not open a new thread about kids and leave this one to the topic "Guy is back in studio with MK"... :disbelief
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I am totally lost :D
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Why not open a new thread about kids and leave this one to the topic "Guy is back in studio with MK"... :disbelief
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Because
that's the kind of thing that used to happen at the "old forum". At AMIT we let conversion flow. :)
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I wonder if the band will fly to London after the US concerts to start recording, or its too early for that...
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Maybe some guest work (Johnny Winter maybe?) or a new single to offer with the new US deal, or some song for a tribute to an artist.
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on previous schedules, the whole band came in studio in january-february I believe :think
So yes I think it's too early to look forward studio sessions now
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Yes but having the band together for the US shows, its a good chance to record some firsts takes...
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We can always ask Guy but i also think it is to soon. I think it will be the same as usual, jan-feb...... :wave
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Nah. There is no way that the gang are going to get together at the back end of October for a week or so and then let that stoked up chemistry fade into the ether. Me thinks a few days rehearsing for the concerts, perform, over to the UK for November for a couple of weeks strumming. Then turkey dinners and stuffing. Back to the UK say in February for refinement, a couple of more takes, a few more songs then mix in April, release in September. A triple album. :D
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A triple one hahahahahahahaha ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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A triple one hahahahahahahaha ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Do we like to push far?
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I like the fact that it is soo quiet on Guy's forum these days - my guess is that before rehearsals for the mini tour start, MK wants to get rid of a certain
amount of new songs maybe. So it seems they are working hard and concentrated. Why not expect one or two new songs at the new US set list? Would be another good reason to buy a stick or two. Or three. All very promising.
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I like the fact that it is soo quiet on Guy's forum these days - my guess is that before rehearsals for the mini tour start, MK wants to get rid of a certain
amount of new songs maybe. So it seems they are working hard and concentrated. Why not expect one or two new songs at the new US set list? Would be another good reason to buy a stick or two. Or three. All very promising.
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I like the fact that it is soo quiet on Guy's forum these days - my guess is that before rehearsals for the mini tour start, MK wants to get rid of a certain
amount of new songs maybe. So it seems they are working hard and concentrated. Why not expect one or two new songs at the new US set list? Would be another good reason to buy a stick or two. Or three. All very promising.
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Ahhh, dreaming on the white christmas... ;D