A Mark In Time
General Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: shangri la 1 on December 06, 2013, 06:56:09 AM
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Rest in Peace Nelson Madeba Mandela
An inspiration to all.
An example of what we should all aspire to emulate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZW4Wk_h-5M
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Nelson Mandela was a brave and remarkable man who changed the world for the better.
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RIP Mandela, a model for everyone: live your life a little like him and the world will definately be a better place.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/nelson-mandela/10183823/Nelson-Mandela-dies-the-story-behind-his-70th-birthday-concert.html
Watched BIA at Wembley as soon as I heard the news and really heard on a new level. Such a powerful and emotional performance at Wembley 88.
Read the stroy of the gig in this article at the above link. This is Dire Straits best gig and simply has to be officially released. Cant we petition mk.com or something? all proceeds could go to Amnesty.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/nelson-mandela/10183823/Nelson-Mandela-dies-the-story-behind-his-70th-birthday-concert.html
Watched BIA at Wembley as soon as I heard the news and really heard on a new level. Such a powerful and emotional performance at Wembley 88.
I did the same thing as soon as I heard of Mandela's death. You can clearly see how emotional MK was when he said those four words ("One humanity. One justice.") that summed up the event and how much their performance at it meant to him.
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I was watching BIA from Mandela this morning, before I heard the news.
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"Best birthday party we've ever been too, thanks for having us" :)
I wonder if MK will do any statement about death of Mandela?
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An interesting article in The Telegraph about the shameful Wembley concert:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/nelson-mandela/10183823/Nelson-Mandela-dies-the-story-behind-his-70th-birthday-concert.html
and ABS news:
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/focus/06/12/13/concert-transformed-mandela-terrorist-icon
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Shameful? The West's political ostrasization of Mandela and its support of the Apartheid government was what was shameful. I am so sorry for all the lives lost during the violent time in South Africa. But I still believe that Mandela was mislabeled. As was Patrice Lumumba. It is not believed that Mandela had anything to do with any violence. Like Martin Luther King in the U.S. he worked through peaceful methods.
At any rate, he was one of the greatest men of the 20th century. He changed the world. We say the same of Mahatma Ghandi and Martin Luther King.
I speak out in anger some times at blindness and prejudice because cruelty hurts my soul so much. Nelson Mandela was responsible for ending the hideous cruelty of apartheid.
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Here is another viewpoint that I read today:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/the-dark-side-of-nelson-mandela/story-fni0ffxg-1226778174719
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Here's a good piece
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/05/nelson-mandela-obituary
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Shameful? The West's political ostrasization of Mandela and its support of the Apartheid government was what was shameful. I am so sorry for all the lives lost during the violent time in South Africa. But I still believe that Mandela was mislabeled. As was Patrice Lumumba. It is not believed that Mandela had anything to do with any violence. Like Martin Luther King in the U.S. he worked through peaceful methods.
At any rate, he was one of the greatest men of the 20th century. He changed the world. We say the same of Mahatma Ghandi and Martin Luther King.
I speak out in anger some times at blindness and prejudice because cruelty hurts my soul so much. Nelson Mandela was responsible for ending the hideous cruelty of apartheid.
If you think SA is safe today then think again. It has around 50 murders per day and the highest rates of rape in the world. Mandela was president until 1999 and from 2003
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Shameful? The West's political ostrasization of Mandela and its support of the Apartheid government was what was shameful. I am so sorry for all the lives lost during the violent time in South Africa. But I still believe that Mandela was mislabeled. As was Patrice Lumumba. It is not believed that Mandela had anything to do with any violence. Like Martin Luther King in the U.S. he worked through peaceful methods.
At any rate, he was one of the greatest men of the 20th century. He changed the world. We say the same of Mahatma Ghandi and Martin Luther King.
I speak out in anger some times at blindness and prejudice because cruelty hurts my soul so much. Nelson Mandela was responsible for ending the hideous cruelty of apartheid.
If you think SA is safe today then think again. It has around 50 murders per day and the highest rates of rape in the world.
That is distressing, certainly, but it has nothing to do with Mandela. In the USA doesn't have a very good reputation along those lines either. But one cannot blame MLK or JFK for either, just because they worked to end segregation.
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If the history posted in The Guardian article is true, it is certainly an unfortunate one. No, not excusable, if true. But the man overcame his own negativity and the hatred in his heart, rechanneled his intellect and his emotions while in prison, remade himself, and upon release, worked peacefully and tirelessly to unify his country. That is what we remember him for. It is as great an accomplishment to overcome one's own sins as it is to reform the world. I choose to remember him for his goodness.
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Sting was on Andrew Marr's programme this morning and when asked what he remembered about the 1988 Birthday Concert, his answer was quite strange. He said he didn't remember anything at all about it and couldn't even remember being a part of it! That was all he said - it was as though he didn't want to be associated with the event at all!
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If the history posted in The Guardian article is true, it is certainly an unfortunate one. No, not excusable, if true. But the man overcame his own negativity and the hatred in his heart, rechanneled his intellect and his emotions while in prison, remade himself, and upon release, worked peacefully and tirelessly to unify his country. That is what we remember him for. It is as great an accomplishment to overcome one's own sins as it is to reform the world. I choose to remember him for his goodness.
Well I won't sweep under the carpet the atrocities that he carried out and only have sympathy for the families of those killed or those maimed by his bombings.
His legacy:
-Church Street West, Pretoria, on the 20 May 1983
-Amanzimtoti Shopping complex KZN, 23 December 1985
-Krugersdorp Magistrate
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Well, it's fortunate that we both live in countries that allow free speech. I addressed the listed topics in my previous post. We shall have to agree to disagree. End of my part of the conversation
Smiles and good will . . .
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Well, it's fortunate that we both live in countries that allow free speech. I addressed the listed topics in my previous post. We shall have to agree to disagree. End of my part of the conversation
Smiles and good will . . .
Indeed. The facts are there for us all to make up our own minds.
P.S. Due to political correctness, free speech no longer exists!
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The Guardian obituary is more nuanced than the rather one-dimensional assessment we have been getting elsewhere.
Whilst I acknowledge that the 1988 Wembley Stadium concert was important (and certainly brought Mandela's name before a generation of people who knew little about him previously), I feel that Tony Hollingsworth overstates things. There were many other factors involved. As The Guardian obituary points out, Botha was seeking to release Mandela several years before the concert.
One impact of the concert was that, on Mandela's release, many celebrities sought to burnish their own reputations by meeting and associating themselves with him. When that happened, I felt it diminished him in equal measure. The Guardian piece does much to explain that.
I found it difficult to accept his support for "necklacing", as practiced by Winnie Mandela. The Guardian says it damaged the reputation of the liberation movement and it certainly did in my case. It is difficult to countenance that kind of vigilante justice anyway but "necklacing" was a particularly nasty form. "One humanity; one justice" did not apply in those cases - none of which diminishes the impact of, and sentiment behind, MK's words that day.
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well put.