A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: 2manyguitars on January 03, 2014, 05:17:11 PM
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Hi guys, and a big hello to all fellow forum members from a long lime lurker who finally decided to raise his head over the parapet.
The reason for my post.
I came across Robert Marshal and his ridiculous blog about 2 years ago - http://straitjacketmusic.co.uk/ for those of you that haven't looked. It initially peeked my curiosity and I had some contact with 'Robert' (that's not his real name) with always the intention to show the guy up for the charlatan that he is.
After repeated requests for evidence the guy has now become threatening and abusive. This is not why I post.
What bothers me is that the marshal 'Myth' is spreading, I've found numerous citations across the internet to his claims to have written lyrics to the first album. Its become a typical internet conspiracy theory and I feel like its our job to make sure that the truth is out there as well.
I know there will be some of you who say leave well alone and give as little publicity as possible and I sympathise with this, but when I have to correct public wikis, and see this guys name linked on internet radio sites I feel the need to do something.
So here's what I'm asking'
If you're brave enough ;) leave a comment on his blog, directly confront the guy about his lack of evidence.
If not that then pop over to my blog - http://strange0new0world.wordpress.com/ leave a comment, say hi, and lets shut this guy down once and for all.
The more links to a proper discussion of his claims the less likely people are to be taken in.
Thanks for listening
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I know , none of it stands up to proper investigation. he has zero evidence, but as I said in my original post, there are people out there that actually take this as fact, only yesterday I corrected the DS public wiki to remove this mans name.
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Don't give this clown the oxygen of publicity.
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I know and I have a lot of sympathy for that point of view.
I kept my mouth very much closed for over a year since discovering his blog. The only problem I see is that as I said he already has the uncensored mouthpiece of the internet at his disposal. I was quite shocked to come across internet radio linking to the first album, the official wiki, and many other references to 'his part in Dire Straits'.
Please dusty don't take this the wrong way and if the majority of people on here feel that its best left alone then I will go with the masses, remove my blog and whatever else may be necessary. I just feel that there should be a voice alongside his pointing out the obvious truth. He deletes any determined cross examination of his claims on his blog and resorts to verbal abuse via private email when he's lost an argument. Enough voices against him and his claims will disappear, no response and a denial of oxygen would seem to be leading to the creation of yet another internet conspiracy theory.
Or maybe you're right and he'll disappear down a crack if left alone.....
Just an opinion dusty and thoroughly interested in what you and others have to say.
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It is clearly someone who is at best mentally deluded or at worst mentally ill. It's really not worth bothering with. I could start a blog claiming to be Supermans Mother. Its just nonsense......Now just for you Robert who clearly reads this forum, get some help mate.
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It is clearly someone who is at best mentally deluded or at worst mentally ill. It's really not worth bothering with. I could start a blog claiming to be Supermans Mother. Its just nonsense......Now just for you Robert who clearly reads this forum, get some help mate.
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Couldn't agree more, and in my final communication with him I actually put this to him that he needs help and to move on from some imaginary past into a real future, reading between the lines of one of his posts David Knopfler told him to do the same. All that concerns me is the damage done by him, and a 'myth' becoming 'internet truth' if you know what I mean.
I make a point of correcting any references to 'his part in dire straits', perhaps an agreement for us all to do the same where possible.
interestingly enough I had communication from someone claiming to be his estranged daughter who obviously knows the background, I don't really want to say to much on here because as has been stated 'someone' regularly trawls through here for material, but lets just say that there is definitely some degree of illness involved here....
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I just can't imagine MK calling himself "Dirk"! :lol :disbelief
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Quite sad.
Very believable stuff like:
"The guff that Knopfler came out with apart from Money for Nothing, which I wrote about him and Illsley, was the truth Sailing to Philadelphia he wrote and he made sure to get away from anything I had written within minutes of the interview, as though the first Dire Straits album had never existed."
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Well lets face it David Icke said that we we're all ruled by lizards and he is managing to fill halls and make a successful living....
Anyway I'm off to the mothership to communicate with the lizard masters...he he.....
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I think there's a simple legal argument there and it links to why Marshal will never present any evidence to anyone. Basically he's made no legal claim until he actually comes forth with some evidence, which is why I believe his blog is allowed to stand. If he were to take his claims through a legal route or actually publish some evidence then the official response might be a bit different. He never will and his blog will remain a drunken anecdotal pile of tripe until forever...
Must write that down, would make a decent lyric!
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What an incredible foresight to write the MFN lyrics in 1975 when MTV didn't even start until 1981!
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Robert Marshall, the man who invented time travel....
But seriously folks, this guy is a nutter, obviously ill, and potentially dangerous. Ignore my initial post because re tackling his claims, all you will end up with is a non stop barrage of abusive emails. I'm in the process of dealing with wordpress over this and with a bit of time and luck this sick man and his delusions will be metaphorically placed in the internet equivalent of 'room 101'.....
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guy is a nutter.
http://straitjacketmusic.co.uk/2012/02/19/three-lines-of-cocaine/
this whole thing is nothing but vile defaming mudslinging, and i really do not understand why he is not sued.
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The guy is a jerk. Everytime I read that he has ways to prove his allegations, I slilently shout "so show it or forever shut up".
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I rather think that by giving this guy a response we are only giving him what he wants; this is probably his "hit," if you like and the best way to deal with the situation is to not give the man another thought.
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In general, if abstract away from particulars, all this crap is nothing else but the reverse of the medal of popularity.
But I came with the good news, a little bird told me 8) that every psychiatrist knows the simple truth, which states that the paranoid delusion is not subject to any overpersuasion.
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Although I agree with your intentions and have sympathy for your initiative, I'd forget, firstly because a lifetime would not be enough to fight all the lies and the rubbish that can be found on the internet and secondly because there are people paid a lot of money to protect the name and the rights of Mark. Indifference and anonymity, in my opinion, are the best ways to hurt a clown like this
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Today I came across this site >> http://straitjacketmusic.co.uk/
What say? A lunatic? One frustrated man, any chance of reasons?
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Look at all his publications, will be that Mark, John and David Pick know this guy?
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I must say this guy's blog is priceless but he did say something that rang true with me:
"What on earth was Guy Fletcher thinking when he commented on his blog, that he would be glad to see the end of the Dire Straits fans going to the Mark Knopfler gigs.
Those fans are the very reason he is still standing on a stage and still getting paid for it, so Guy get a grip mate before you get some foul thing thrown at you, or get back to sorting bikes."
:lol
So he does go to the gigs then...
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When did Guy say that?
LE
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Indifference and anonymity, in my opinion, are the best ways to hurt a clown like this
I'm with Rudiger on this.
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Agree 100% :clap
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When did Guy say that?
LE
It was on his forum about 2 or 3 months ago now. Maybe someone with a memory can give a more precise answer!
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Well, I found it:
"Thanks Hazel, yes the die-hards are disappearing fast, thank goodness." was what he said to Hazel. And this is a part of the question:
"Doc, you said in one of your early diary entries for the European tour that audiences had evolved along with the band, and I believe that
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I bet this 'strange' character (a typical 'Rudiger' by what he writes) would love the thought of him causing a bit of friction on this the wonderful MK forum!!
How about we close this thread and move on to more interesting items?!
I will not have anything said about Guy personally!
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I agree, let's not say anything personal about Guy or Mr Marshal. It's just not nice. I just took great exception to what Guy said on that occasion and won't forget it.
I also agree Knopflerfan that we should close this topic because this will no doubt be giving the aforementioned Mr Marshal the thrill of his life!
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I also agree Knopflerfan that we should close this topic because this will no doubt be giving the aforementioned Mr Marshal the thrill of his life!
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I agree, let's not say anything personal about Guy or Mr Marshal. It's just not nice. I just took great exception to what Guy said on that occasion and won't forget it.
I also agree Knopflerfan that we should close this topic because this will no doubt be giving the aforementioned Mr Marshal the thrill of his life!
DMG, I'm sure Guy didn't mean it as you perhaps interpret it, I personally take the comment from Guy to mean that with regards to Dire Straits - 'that was then, this is now'
Personally, along that theme I got really Pi**ed off when at Brighton after the 'charging of the bulls' when a rather drunk lady kept shouting 'Walk of Life' in mine and Ingrid's ears to which I simply replied 'Move on'!
I and Mandy are personally grateful for whatever Mark plays these days as we feel very lucky to be on this journey with such brilliant musicians and also fantastic fans/friends too......
(That includes you too DMG! - How else will you get your water bottles open otherwise??!!!)
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As the initial poster on this topic can I now say that I am in complete agreement with those wishing to close the topic. I would urge anyone considering a dialogue with the person in question to think very carefully before they do. I have been subject to some less than pleasant email contact from an obviously disturbed person.
Lets close this and move on......
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I agree, let's not say anything personal about Guy or Mr Marshal. It's just not nice. I just took great exception to what Guy said on that occasion and won't forget it.
I also agree Knopflerfan that we should close this topic because this will no doubt be giving the aforementioned Mr Marshal the thrill of his life!
DMG, I'm sure Guy didn't mean it as you perhaps interpret it, I personally take the comment from Guy to mean that with regards to Dire Straits - 'that was then, this is now'
Personally, along that theme I got really Pi**ed off when at Brighton after the 'charging of the bulls' when a rather drunk lady kept shouting 'Walk of Life' in mine and Ingrid's ears to which I simply replied 'Move on'!
I and Mandy are personally grateful for whatever Mark plays these days as we feel very lucky to be on this journey with such brilliant musicians and also fantastic fans/friends too......
(That includes you too DMG! - How else will you get your water bottles open otherwise??!!!)
I remember her, she was a total arse and not just cause she was asking for WOL but cause she was so hammered. She could have waited till after the gig. Some people at gigs are so selfish. During the KTGC tour at Brighton this older couple that were sat behind me were wasted and just talked all the way through until HFB when I lost the plot with them and threw the blokes coat which for some reason was on my wifes chair at his head. They shut up but decided to get up into the isle during SOS for a dance and were then kicked out shouting at everyone and saying MK fans were all boring squares. That was sweet justice not even Judge Judy could have dished out.
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(That includes you too DMG! - How else will you get your water bottles open otherwise??!!!)
Unfortunately the Copthorne Tara don't do porridge! ::)
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Hey Banjo,
How bizarre! that particular couple were sat immediately in front of us! and he certainly would have felt the wrath of my shoe on his chair throughout the show!!
She was absolutley wasted and yes they kept talking and singing loudly and if I remember rightly her clothing was very near to coming off!! As for the crap dancing in the aisle during Sultans- Noooooo!
There were a lot of disgruntled people after the show and I bet she never remembers being there!
She's probably a member of this forum!!
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I have come across his blog (or was it in another format before that?) some time ago! It was a fine pass time if you had time to waste! We have been talking about other guys that claim to have written DS songs, but this one is persistent and well, priceless! I hope he doesn't make claims on my photos, poems or kids...
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Don't give this clown the oxygen of publicity.
Disregarding my own very sensible advice here, but it's most amusing that this mental guy is as obsessed with amit as he is with MK.
https://straitjacketmusic.wordpress.com/2024/03/31/the-magnificent-seven-dire-straits-forum/
Come on admit it, which of you are the hold outs?!
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wowsers...more bonkers than chatGPT..
guy can't write for shit
mental lunatic rambling, can't get head nor tail to it...jumping all over the place with his words. weird af
also, this guy belongs in a straightjacket (no pun intended, for those who get it)
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Well lets face it David Icke said that we we're all ruled by lizards and he is managing to fill halls and make a successful living....
Anyway I'm off to the mothership to communicate with the lizard masters...he he.....
It was about time someone did that! And didn't Douglas Adams also say we use only 10% of our brains, because the rest if full of penguins?
Anyway, best to ignore the guy. MK surely has his lawyers to deal with such stuff, and maybe one day he'll write a song about him. :lol
Btw, the site is offline now. ^^
Edit: It's even disappeared from wayback machine ???
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The link I posted above is still active.
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https://straitjacketmusic.wordpress.com/2021/01/27/apology-to-mark-knopfler/
It's still up! This twisted parallel universe is almost inspiring.
The time and effort he has put into it, considering the longevity of that blog, is evidence that he has time and imagination and if he was in the right spot, all wars and famines would have been eliminated.
Alas, he only deals with MK
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Found it (I'd tried Pottel's link first).
I wish I hadn't.