A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Guitarman1972 on January 19, 2014, 08:07:55 PM
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What is your favourite MK/DS live concert of all time? And which one is the runner up? And why do you put them on number one and two?
It can be official releases like Alchemy or On The Night, Sticks, Bootlegs (audience/soundboard recording)
Mine are:
1. Get Lucky Tour - Live in Paris - 09.06.2010
2. Alchemy
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1. San Francisco 13.09.85
2. Seattle 20.09.85
I could really choose any number of shows from this period but I'd love to have a time machine and a million pounds to follow the band around the world on this tour! The North American leg and 2nd European leg are highlight shows, but the 1st European leg has lots of different playing in it, SFA instead of OW and TMTS in the set, so has much to recommend it too. The Australasian leg seems curiously sparse of bootlegs so I'll reserve judgement but the December '85 UK shows were very nice indeed.
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Tough question, as I don't think DS and even MK in solo ever produced a bad concert. It all depends on my mood of the day... after listening to all eras from 1978 to 2013, I don't think we can say one era is superior to another. Mark liked things to be different from tour to tour. Different does not mean better, does not mean worse, just different...
If I follow my mood of the say, see my topic on Wiesbaden 1981. A few years back I would never have thought that such an early show would be my favourite... but now.... wov. The most brillant setlist ever, the best blend of old and new, still songs from the 2 first albums (Lions, DTTW, News, WDYTYG,..which sadely would be dropped in the LOG tour for less fantastic things, like TBTP or TWL...); but already a look ahead with the first version of Telegraph Road... great energy, great interaction with the audience,still fresh yet already a new sound... I just fell in love. Just listen to "News" from this era and tell me that this so-called little tune is not a masterpiece !
So, my top 5 of the day:
1-Wiesdbaden 81 (I also love Dormund'80, a bit less good but... there is video !).
2-Wembley 85 (this video is just the pinacle of skills from Mark, it is just mind-blowing, TOL is the best ever, even if the overdriven-to-death drums and guitar, plus overused '80s keyboards, are a bit too much...)
3-Alchemy ('enough said, fantastic show, just before the above mentionned over-the-top stuff, maybe the best compromise ever)
4-Vaison'96 (just love the energy, TR and Going Home are best ever)
4-Beaulieu 2002 (I just love this DS + NHB reunions, best versions of Setting me Up, Why Aye Man and What it is)
5-Saint-Julien 2013 (because I was there ! such great renwed energy !)
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I love threads like this! ;D
Nothing from 2001 then Herlock?
Of course I have different moods too and listen to other eras but when putting on my critics hat I can't help but always turn to the BIA tour as being Mark at the peak of his powers. Maybe he has matured as a guitarist in some ways but the energy was never the same and overall his playing was best IMO. He never played Sultans or TOL with the same power, skill, accuracy or feeling night after night ever again.
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Nothing from 2001 because I had to choose my top 5, but of course I love them all, there are some gems from 2001 as well ! :)
I have mixed feelings about the BIA tour...
On the one hand, I tend to agree with you with the excellence of Mark's skills during this tour. Indeed I tend to watch Wembley'85 most, with the same excitement every time. Yes, Sultans from this era is great (I have Live Aid on official video ! a bit less good than Wembley but still great). Some people hate the overused keyboards from the 80S, well, I tend to love them, they add some depth... and yes, TOL is absolutely fantastic in 85. It was great too in 83, maybe a bit simpler, which some prefer... matter of taste. And BIA, the song... I think it was never done better than in 85 - I like the Hammond organ, the rocking ending... even Mandela is less good to me ! On the Night version is good, but I still prefer '85 versions... just like PI or MFN... Awesome. Well, Montserrat'97 is awesome too... so many good shows... :)
On the other hand, the BIA tour was the beginning of the end: too much commercialized, too pop-oriented, Walk of Life, Bombastic over-the-top synthetizer, 80s style overdrive-to-death guitar and drums, too big, too... much :) In the LOG tour intimate interaction was still possible, in the stadium-era BIA... well, maybe they did it a bit too much.
That's why, although I love Wembley, really, that I like sometimes to return to basics, and listen to the less polished shows from 80/81 or even 78/79... "Live at the BBC" is charming :) As I said, it all depends on my mood, no bad show !! even 2008/2010 have their strong points ! :)
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I'm not a "bootleg man" at all and I know I don't like the Dire Straits era anymore, so my answer is quite simple:
Locarno 2010 - if you mean "all time favourite MK live concert to listen to"
London 2013 First Night - if you mean "all time favourite Mk live concert you attended", and that night was even better than the show I would have listed before the Privateering tour, because before 2013, it would have been
Hamburg 1996 June 8th
LE
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london 2013 first night. best i ever went to.
werchter 81
vaison
Glasgow 1990
Brussels 2006
Dubai 2005 or perth...
nothing from 2008
milan 81
Kassel 83
uniondale and brussels (2nd european leg) 85
Dublin first show 1991
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Oh, Vaison... you are right... really AWESOME and GREAT concert... did listen to it for ages.. will do immediately..
LE
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On the other hand, the BIA tour was the beginning of the end: too much commercialized, too pop-oriented, Walk of Life, Bombastic over-the-top synthetizer, 80s style overdrive-to-death guitar and drums, too big, too... much :) In the LOG tour intimate interaction was still possible, in the stadium-era BIA... well, maybe they did it a bit too much.
I'm not so sure - the OES tour was the really big tour with big stadiums but the BIA tour wasn't really big venues. They played a lot of theatres in the US and UK (December). Most of the other venues in Europe are the same or similar sized ones he plays now. Only in Australia/NZ did they play some really big gigs. It was the OES tour that they played in football stadiums and huge open air gigs.
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Again like LE, no DS for me as I've moved on from those days so without doubt my favourite 'MK' concert of all time (1995-2013) has to be the first night of the RAH 27th May 2013 as Mark and band absolutely stormed that night - and no the stick does not do any justice to the best night of MK bar none!! The look, sound and feel from both band and AMITers present shall always be remembered!! ;D
2nd I have to go with the first time that I saw Mark play Bournemouth way back in May 1996 on the 'Golden Heart' tour. Never had the BIC rocked so much!!
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My top pick is easy - Rome 2005 (2005-06-03). Flawless versions of all songs. I saw basically the same show a few weeks later when the tour hit the US and that was the best MK show I attended. Nothing else after that even compared.
My runner up would be something from the StP tour. Perhaps, Nimes or Hamburg.
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On the other hand, the BIA tour was the beginning of the end: too much commercialized, too pop-oriented, Walk of Life, Bombastic over-the-top synthetizer, 80s style overdrive-to-death guitar and drums, too big, too... much :) In the LOG tour intimate interaction was still possible, in the stadium-era BIA... well, maybe they did it a bit too much.
I'm not so sure - the OES tour was the really big tour with big stadiums but the BIA tour wasn't really big venues. They played a lot of theatres in the US and UK (December). Most of the other venues in Europe are the same or similar sized ones he plays now. Only in Australia/NZ did they play some really big gigs. It was the OES tour that they played in football stadiums and huge open air gigs.
I can agree about the size of venues, but this was not my main point, which was the sound...
Actually the OES tour "corrected" some "flaws" of the BIA tour that were heavily critized in 85/86: in 91/92, no more prominent keyboards (in fact, they were too quiet !), no more overdriven drums, much less overdrive to the guitar... the complexity of the sound came from the addition of pedal steel.
I still prefer the BIA sound (I LOVE keyboards ! :) ), but I reckon this is not for the majority of people... given today's "clean and minimalist" trend, most people today would find the BIA tour too "80s"...
But hey, the 80s were so cool :)
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Manchester 2010 is my favourite concert to listen to - everything beautifully played with such energy, especially Speedway and TR - and I was there on the front row right in front of MK! I listen to this concert more than any other! Fantastic audience!
First night RAH 2013 is probably the most exciting concert I ever attended, especially because of the venue and friends from AMIT and I still get great pleasure listening. The audience was great too!
Leeds '96 - Golden Heart Tour at The Town & Country - an amazing concert and so long too - over three hours of beautiful music and a great set list covering many albums. (No recording available, so it is only still in my head) ;)
Wembley '85 - I'm not really a DS fan so much these days, but this is an amazing concert with so many great versions.
Alchemy because it was so iconic and I still remember vividly the first time I saw it and was bowled over by MK!
Basel '92 - I watched this on Christmas Eve '92 and probably watched it every day for months afterwards - I was just so besotted with MK and his guitar!
Special nods also to Carcassonne 2013 and Liverpool 2013 - they were both very special.
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Basel '92 - I watched this on Christmas Eve '92 and probably watched it every day for months afterwards - I was just so besotted with MK and his guitar!
Cant agree with you enough Val, this concert was televised for us brits on Channel 4 and my word it blew my mind! Remember my music hating father at the time saying 'who is that playing guitar?'
The rest is history!!
Have got a lovely copy of this on DVD which I incidentally play through my Blu-Ray player in glorious 3D!!! WOW!!
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Basel '92 - I watched this on Christmas Eve '92 and probably watched it every day for months afterwards - I was just so besotted with MK and his guitar!
Cant agree with you enough Val, this concert was televised for us brits on Channel 4 and my word it blew my mind! Remember my music hating father at the time saying 'who is that playing guitar?'
The rest is history!!
Have got a lovely copy of this on DVD which I incidentally play through my Blu-Ray player in glorious 3D!!! WOW!!
I remember watching this on C4 too and was so annoyed by the fact that they had edited it. I had a copy on VHS until fairly recently and watched gobsmacked at how they cut the percussion and final MK solo from CE - poor Danny! It finished so abruptly did they really think they'd get away with it? No TR either! :disbelief
It's never been one of my favourite concerts though. There are great versions but a few slip-ups like in YLT, BIA and WT. Very minor but the Woburn Abbey gig a week prior to this is much better IMO.
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Basel '92 - I watched this on Christmas Eve '92 and probably watched it every day for months afterwards - I was just so besotted with MK and his guitar!
Cant agree with you enough Val, this concert was televised for us brits on Channel 4 and my word it blew my mind! Remember my music hating father at the time saying 'who is that playing guitar?'
The rest is history!!
Have got a lovely copy of this on DVD which I incidentally play through my Blu-Ray player in glorious 3D!!! WOW!!
I remember watching this on C4 too and was so annoyed by the fact that they had edited it. I had a copy on VHS until fairly recently and watched gobsmacked at how they cut the percussion and final MK solo from CE - poor Danny! It finished so abruptly did they really think they'd get away with it? No TR either! :disbelief
No TR, but there were lots of compensations - Great BIA, SOS and MFN and frankly at that time I didn't miss TR because I was so entranced by the show. Anyway, I have the full concert recording now, but I still like the one I saw first best of all! :)
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Thats odd, my dvd copy has TR on it. In fact it features a storming end solo from the man himself!!
Can't remember what was played and what wasnt on the tv programme....
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Thats odd, my dvd copy has TR on it. In fact it features a storming end solo from the man himself!!
Can't remember what was played and what wasnt on the tv programme....
TR and R&J and a few others were definitely not on either of the televised versions - the first was Christmas Eve '92 and the second around Easter '93. You probably have the Veronica version that I have of the whole concert. :)
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Thats odd, my dvd copy has TR on it. In fact it features a storming end solo from the man himself!!
Can't remember what was played and what wasnt on the tv programme....
All the bootlegs are sourced from European broadcasts I guess. Some have the channel in the top corner of the screen. Certainly my version was cut and where I live in those days we never got a good reception on C4 either! ;D
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Well I'm not sure if I have a "all time favourite MK live concert".
I rather have all time favourite songs versions, because there's not really a tour on which I like all songs, but rather songs from a tour, and songs from another.
for example, my ultimate live bootleg would be :
Sultans from alchemy or from 96
Tunnel of love from Uniondale
Portobello Belle from Paris 83
OUATITW from Alchemy
TR from Alchemy or RAH 96
WDYTG from Wisebaden 81 1st night
BIA, MFN, WOL from Mandela
RATR from London 22/12/85
INR from London 82
Water of love from Vaison 96
R&J from Mandela, or RLRR, or RAH 96
SFA from sydney 86 or Wembley 85
Expresso love from 85
one word from london 85
WWE from Emerald city 80
Six blade knife from 17.02.79
STP from Boothbay 2006 or toronto 2001
Donegan's gone from roma 2005 or promo tour 2007
Going home from alchemy or Hamburg 96
Calling Elvis from vaison 96 or RAH 96
Angel of mercy and news from werchter 81
etc...etc..
I f I had to choose ONE among entire gigs :
Lyon july 1996. there's no existing recording, but the best MK gig I attended so far, and I bet it was nearly Vaison in term of setlist/versions
my other favourites are :
Barbarellas 78
Rotterdam 78
Amsterdam 79
Emerald city 80
Wiesbaden 81
Werchter 81
Alchemy
London 85
Mandela
Dublin 91
Vaison 96
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Thats odd, my dvd copy has TR on it. In fact it features a storming end solo from the man himself!!
Can't remember what was played and what wasnt on the tv programme....
All the bootlegs are sourced from European broadcasts I guess. Some have the channel in the top corner of the screen. Certainly my version was cut and where I live in those days we never got a good reception on C4 either! ;D
The full concert was broadcast live on Sky (my friend had Sky and taped it for me :) )
C4 showed a cut version at Christmas. :(
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For shows I've attended I'll go for
Aberdeen 96 - GH tour the best in terms of set list, energy and small venues.
First RAH 2013 - Everyone who wasn't there must be wondering what all the fuss was about.
Special mention for the Ronnie Scott shows.
In terms of boots I'll go for Hamburg 96 and Basel 92.
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can we keep it in here?
http://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php/topic,3479.0.html
that way i can start building that giant list...
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I'd rather go for separate songs than shows, but here are some of mine:
1. On Location Tour: 29-06-1981, Milan
Bootleg: The Greatest Rock 'N Roll Orchestra
Great setlist, featuring many oldies, but also what would become Private Investigations and a rocking Telegraph Road.
Sad thing is that the quality of the bootleg isn't that high, but still nice listening to.
2. Mandela Concert: 11-06-1988, London
Just love the energy on here. Sad thing is Sultans not being played on a strat, but the overall concert is just fantastic. Clapton is definitely doing a great job on here!
3. On Every Street Tour: 26-08-1991, Dublin
Bootleg: Straits To The Point
In my opinion the best full concert of Dire Straits, I love the setlist (Why Worry, Setting Me Up, I Think I Love You To Much, Planet Of New Orleans) and the concert just rocks!
On the bootleg the audience is mixed in way to loud, which is a little annoying, but it's fun to hear them singing along. It always gives me goosebumps during Brothers In Arms (especially the "field of destruction").
4. Golden Heart Tour: 15-04-1996, London (BBC)
I just love the addition of all the other musicians, it's a bit over the top, but that's okay :)
5. Golden Heart Tour: 03-08-1996, Vaison
6. Sailing To Philadelphia Tour: 16-06-2001, Hamburg
Best version of Telegraph Road around and Speedway At Nazareth is definitely cool too, sad it's so short...
7. Shangri-La Tour: 10-06-2005, Milan
One of the few versions of Walk of Life I really like, because of the accordeon: it's different than you would expect, but very pleasant to hear. And the setlist is just great too.
8. Privateering Tour: 07-06-2013, Zwolle
Only MK concert I've ever been too and I had a great evening! Speedway At Nazareth and Telegraph Road rock.
Separate songs:
- Going Home (Lucca 2013)
- Haul Away (Helsinki 2013) -> very nice vocals
- If This Is Goodbye (Boothbay)
- Private Investigations (10-07-1985, London) -> great overdriven guitar, better than the rest of the tour
- Song For Sonny Liston (Helsinki 2013) -> very rough version
- The Man's Too Strong (Walk On Stage bootleg) -> the blues harp is fantastic
- The Man's Too Strong (10-07-1985, London) -> very nice drumming
- Wild Theme (Encores)
- Wild Theme (Boothbay)
EDIT: oops, sorry Pottel, started typing before you posted your comment :)
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Dire Straits, Cologne, February 17, 1979
It was the first live concert I had, and I **love** the reverb on it. It is from the 'Gro
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Ingo, am I right that this was the "other" night, not the TV-broadcasted one? I have that recording, too, and I love the extended version of Six Blade Knife on it...
LE
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Mine is "alchemy" :thumbsup :thumbsup It's the only live concert I go back to listen over and over and never get bored with it. The energy level in that show was just unbelievable. If I could travel back in time, that's where I want to be. ;D ;D ;D
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For me the question is too hard. The concerts I enjoyed have the best memories. But there were a lot from 1985 till now.
1985 Rotterdam :thumbsup Don't know which one from the 1996 I did, but those were great too. And this year, pfffff, even harder to choose. Must be Las Vegas because of the great memories, handshake of Mark, great company in the US from a lot of friends. But also Z
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Ingo, am I right that this was the "other" night, not the TV-broadcasted one? I have that recording, too, and I love the extended version of Six Blade Knife on it...
LE
Yes, one day after the Rockpalast TV show, same city (Cologne) but different venue: Ropckpalast - a small WDR TV studio called studio L, and the next day in the large radio broadcasting room that was also famous for classical radio concerts. When it was built in the 1950ies it was considererd as as an acoustical sensation.
There are a few changes to some songs, I guess to make the live radio broadcast match a given time (extended soli in Six blade knife and Eastbound Train, long drum intro on What's the matter with you, Baby)
--> Can everyone who has this recording do me a favour and check the following: I wonder if there is another version around than "mine", with mine I mean the version I made in the 90ies, the intro of DTTW is from the vinyl bootleg, the rest from a rebroadcast from the 80ies, with Southbound being faded out. I had another tape decades ago with the full Southbound but it disappeared, so does anyone have the ending of Southbound?
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mine has southbound faded out, I don't remember where and when I got it, but it must be yours :)
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Excellent recording. My Southbound is also faded out.
LE
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As a result of this thread, I decided to watch one of my favourite DS concerts, Basel '92 last night - I hadn't watched it for a few years, so I was curious how I would feel about it now, after having been a fan of MK solo for so long.
Of course, no doubt, it was a great concert and it is still on my list of favourites, because it made such a great impression on me at that time, but I have to say that it was a concert with a definite 80s feel, even though it was '92 and it made me realise just how glad I am that MK was wise enough to "put the band to bed" and move on, because if DS had stayed together as a band and didn't change direction in some way, I don't think I would still be a fan today. R&J, which is one of my favourite DS songs and never fails to move me, did nothing for me and I even resorted to fast-forward and TR was spoiled for me by the saxophone, in fact, I much prefer the arrangements of both that we have now. SOS was as wonderful as ever, but the stripped-down 4-piece is more to my taste.
Anyway "The Straits" can continue to give pleasure to those who still yearn for those days, but for me I'm just so happy that Mark has moved on and me with him! :)
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Totally agree with all you have said Val :clap
I am so very glad too MK put DS to bed...
Still like to watch TR on that particular dvd as it is rather storming!! but aside from perhaps Sultans as well that's it...
Solo material so far superior IMHO....
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I do think, though, that Alchemy has stood the test of time much better and I still love watching it occasionally. Maybe it's the intimacy of the venue. R&J and TR were much better too! :)
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The concert from the BBC Arena documentary.
Mark is on fire, and I think it is the last one with brother David.
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Yes the arena documentary is good too. Alchemy re-mastered on blu-ray is an absolute must have and therefore my Fave available concert! R&J is skipped!! Being able to watch MK and lads in 3D is something else!!! The sound isnt bad either....
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The Basel '92 concert is very good but I agree that R&J is better now and was also better back in '91 when it wasn't linked with HF and had the MK solo at the end instead of the PF one. I've been listening lately to a great version from Boston '01 and I think that's the best ever. Really nice vocal and great solo.
Sorry to spoil your thunder Val but you can't comment on Sultans and say you "prefer the 4-piece now" because we don't actually have any version now!!! ::)
As for TR, well I've never really enjoyed that from the OES tour; it always felt a bit rushed. The final song should be a bit special I think and this just didn't do it for me. The sax solo is certainly better than no solo at all though! ::) Best versions of TR are from 1996-'05.
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Sorry to spoil your thunder Val but you can't comment on Sultans and say you "prefer the 4-piece now" because we don't actually have any version now!!! ::)
LOL! You know what I meant, I'm sure dmg! ;D
EDIT: This is what I actually said: "SOS was as wonderful as ever, but the stripped-down 4-piece is more to my taste." ;)
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Sorry to spoil your thunder Val but you can't comment on Sultans and say you "prefer the 4-piece now" because we don't actually have any version now!!! ::)
LOL! You know what I meant, I'm sure dmg! ;D
EDIT: This is what I actually said: "SOS was as wonderful as ever, but the stripped-down 4-piece is more to my taste." ;)
Stickler for details! ::)
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dmg, why do we have no 4-piece-version now??? :hmm It is played 4-piece since 2001 (?) or 2005 and ever since... and we had enough versions on the 2013 tour to choose from, so I am sorry but I don't get what you mean....
LE
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I think DMG was merely commenting on MK's various interview's when he more or less stated that he may not play SOS again, but he has since and of course will!
He will never NOT play SOS again thats far too obvious.
Anyway I'm not going to steal your thunder Val but agree the four piece SOS is tops!! ;)
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Well I admit that there were some great versions of Sultans from 2001 (Lyon, for example) but I'm not going to admit to preferring any since then to that on the Basel '92 recording. Sorry, just my opinion. :)
Also, he didn't play Sultans on any regular basis from pretty early on in the tour and said at Bridport after the 2013 European tour that he doesn't think they play it at all now (or something like that). That says to me that he doesn't intend to play it again sadly.
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Well I admit that there were some great versions of Sultans from 2001 (Lyon, for example) but I'm not going to admit to preferring any since then to that on the Basel '92 recording. Sorry, just my opinion. :)
Also, he didn't play Sultans on any regular basis from pretty early on in the tour and said at Bridport after the 2013 European tour that he doesn't think they play it at all now (or something like that). That says to me that he doesn't intend to play it again sadly.
There was a spectacularly terrible one from 2001 too - Chicago! :o
The ones I have liked in recent years have been Manchester 2010, Istanbul 2013 and Liverpool 2013.
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Well I admit that there were some great versions of Sultans from 2001 (Lyon, for example) but I'm not going to admit to preferring any since then to that on the Basel '92 recording. Sorry, just my opinion. :)
Also, he didn't play Sultans on any regular basis from pretty early on in the tour and said at Bridport after the 2013 European tour that he doesn't think they play it at all now (or something like that). That says to me that he doesn't intend to play it again sadly.
There was a spectacularly terrible one from 2001 too - Chicago! :o
The ones I have liked in recent years have been Manchester 2010, Istanbul 2013 and Liverpool 2013.
You can't dismiss a version because of one error (if you did that then every version since 2008 would have to be dismissed ;)) - the rest of the song is actually rather good and full of energy and the solo inspired, unlike the later versions. It's also played with enthusiasm and some pace. :)
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Well I admit that there were some great versions of Sultans from 2001 (Lyon, for example) but I'm not going to admit to preferring any since then to that on the Basel '92 recording. Sorry, just my opinion. :)
Also, he didn't play Sultans on any regular basis from pretty early on in the tour and said at Bridport after the 2013 European tour that he doesn't think they play it at all now (or something like that). That says to me that he doesn't intend to play it again sadly.
There was a spectacularly terrible one from 2001 too - Chicago! :o
The ones I have liked in recent years have been Manchester 2010, Istanbul 2013 and Liverpool 2013.
You can't dismiss a version because of one error (if you did that then every version since 2008 would have to be dismissed ;)) - the rest of the song is actually rather good and full of energy and the solo inspired, unlike the later versions. It's also played with enthusiasm and some pace. :)
No, it's definitely Chicago 2001 - it was a disaster, not just an odd note! ::)
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There was a spectacularly terrible one from 2001 too - Chicago! :o
The ones I have liked in recent years have been Manchester 2010, Istanbul 2013 and Liverpool 2013.
Gotta love the Chicago version! It's amazing how long he keeps the fiddly bits in the wrong key, like he's not noticing it or something. ;D
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dmg, Where's Boston disappeared to? ???
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dmg, Where's Boston disappeared to? ???
Well, I got mixed up between Boston, Lincolnshire and Boston MA, then remembered he never played Lincolnshire. ;)
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It was Boston, MA 23.04.01 where he messed up the twiddly bits. Seriously. James Taylor was there to hear it!
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It was Boston, MA where he messed up the twiddly bits. Seriously.
I'm talking about Chicago - seriously! ;)
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It was Boston, MA where he messed up the twiddly bits. Seriously.
I'm talking about Chicago - seriously! ;)
Now I don't know where I'm at! :hmm
That version just blew me away! ;) ;D
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It was Boston, MA where he messed up the twiddly bits. Seriously.
I'm talking about Chicago - seriously! ;)
Now I don't know where I'm at! :hmm
Truce! ;D In the meantime, give Chicago 2001 a listen sometime. ;D
Your edits are faster than my posts! :lol
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Mine would have to be Houston '85, as it was one of just two I've been to, but also was a great show, recorded and broadcast across the US. Mark was really at the height of his powers at that time.
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It was Boston, MA where he messed up the twiddly bits. Seriously.
I'm talking about Chicago - seriously! ;)
Now I don't know where I'm at! :hmm
Truce! ;D In the meantime, give Chicago 2001 a listen sometime. ;D
Your edits are faster than my posts! :lol
I actually had it on my HD until recently because I liked it. There were a couple of mistakes, most noticeably at the very end after the twiddly bits, but overall I thought it was rocking and inspired so I was forgiving of these errors. Everyone makes mistakes. Well, nearly everyone. Not everyone has "Super" as a first name! ;D
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It was Boston, MA where he messed up the twiddly bits. Seriously.
I'm talking about Chicago - seriously! ;)
Now I don't know where I'm at! :hmm
Truce! ;D In the meantime, give Chicago 2001 a listen sometime. ;D
Your edits are faster than my posts! :lol
I actually had it on my HD until recently because I liked it. There were a couple of mistakes, most noticeably at the very end after the twiddly bits, but overall I thought it was rocking and inspired so I was forgiving of these errors. Everyone makes mistakes. Well, nearly everyone. Not everyone has "Super" as a first name! ;D
Nevermind the mistakes, If you enjoy it that's OK :)
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No, sersiously, you can't enjoy Chicago 2001! I remember buying it from Tomas Molin back in those years and when it arrived, I first skipped to Sultans full of anticipation - and when I heard that DESASTER, I never gave the complete show another chance... I just don't want to hear my favourite tune slaughtered in that way! Val is absolutely right. And dmg, you CAN'T like that version! No way!!! :wave
LE
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No, sersiously, you can't enjoy Chicago 2001! I remember buying it from Tomas Molin back in those years and when it arrived, I first skipped to Sultans full of anticipation - and when I heard that DESASTER, I never gave the complete show another chance... I just don't want to hear my favourite tune slaughtered in that way! Val is absolutely right. And dmg, you CAN'T like that version! No way!!! :wave
LE
Oh thank you LE! I was beginning to think I had cloth ears, or at least going crazy! ;D
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No, sersiously, you can't enjoy Chicago 2001! I remember buying it from Tomas Molin back in those years and when it arrived, I first skipped to Sultans full of anticipation - and when I heard that DESASTER, I never gave the complete show another chance... I just don't want to hear my favourite tune slaughtered in that way! Val is absolutely right. And dmg, you CAN'T like that version! No way!!! :wave
LE
Oh thank you LE! I was beginning to think I had cloth ears, or at least going crazy! ;D
At least he was pushing himself instead of just going through the motions.
Actually, that concert isn't too bad and Baloney Again is great, TR very nice indeed and R&J is one of the best versions ever.
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No, sersiously, you can't enjoy Chicago 2001! I remember buying it from Tomas Molin back in those years and when it arrived, I first skipped to Sultans full of anticipation - and when I heard that DESASTER, I never gave the complete show another chance... I just don't want to hear my favourite tune slaughtered in that way! Val is absolutely right. And dmg, you CAN'T like that version! No way!!! :wave
LE
Oh thank you LE! I was beginning to think I had cloth ears, or at least going crazy! ;D
At least he was pushing himself instead of just going through the motions.
Actually, that concert isn't too bad and Baloney Again is great, TR very nice indeed and R&J is one of the best versions ever.
He sounded tired and worn out, but at least I do agree with you about TR, it's one of my favourites!
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Right, I've had dinner and I've just found the Chicago bootleg (and couldn't resist some others too ;D) so I'm giving it another listen.
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Okay, a few very minor greenies in the last solo but nothing really noticeable unless under scrutiny until you come to the bit after the twiddly bits where the band stop and start a few times (do you know the bit...just near the very end) and that is the bit that's noticeable. Apart from that, it's pretty good. Nice pace and much better than anything in years. Oh and the Pensa sounds much better than his new (or recent) Strat on it too IMO.
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Okay, a few very minor greenies in the last solo but nothing really noticeable unless under scrutiny until you come to the bit after the twiddly bits where the band stop and start a few times (do you know the bit...just near the very end) and that is the bit that's noticeable. Apart from that, it's pretty good. Nice pace and much better than anything in years. Oh and the Pensa sounds much better than his new (or recent) Strat on it too IMO.
Well, one of us has cloth ears and it's not me! ::)
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The concert I listen to over and over -- like Sweet Surrender -- is Alchemy.
My favorite of the concerts I've actually seen is probably my first, Chicago '85, partly because MK waved and smiled at me. Still the highlight of my life.
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Some great concerts so far and one I would add is NHB in May 97 at the Shepherds Bush Empire. I have one bootleg from the night I attended (not sure of exact date without looking at ticket). It is a very long set with some rarely played songs and MK and co joking around all night. Probably my favourite MK gig ive attended.
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I'm gonna hop on this train too, but its a top 5 i'm afraid:
1 Basel 1992 My late Dad got me into DS by the time of Love over Gold ( he told me that he discovered DS driving home from work, heard SoS and pulled over, and listened breathless till it finished) and from then on I listened for days to DS C LoG MM BIA whilst reading the lyrics over and over. My first live experience was Rotterdam 1992, but Basel is on top of the list as that time it was the only (hometaped) video I owned and therefore played it till my eyes bled... :o
2 Vaison 1996 the bluesy sound of MKs guitar on JSD and especially Water of Love......
Shivers all over everytime I listen to it.
3 Minneapolis 2001 (in fact that whole tour was great with surprises like Pyroman, Wag the Dog etc) But I partically love the intro of MFN where MK after playing slide, perfectly starts his most famous riff after the drum stop....
4 NHB 1998 Ronnie Scotts Birmingham where we were sat at our table so close I could easily pull MK shoe laces if it wasnt he wore boots ;D Also that setlist was amazing, enormous and lots of surprises and gems like Rope Stretching, meet me in the bottom, cant be satisfied, mystery train, you better move on, nadine, etc etc
5a Final Oz 1986 with the epic So Far Away Calypso version
5b NHB Swan Hunter 1993 also great, funny version of So Far Away with jokes lyrics by MK and BC.
Sadly I cant find my Basel copy anywhere, but the ever so lovely Ingrid is gonna help me out on this..
Much appreciated!!!
:clap :clap (couldn't find the worship smiley)
Just my 2 cts
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I agree, Minneapolis was one of the best shows of the STP tour. :thumbsup
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4 NHB 1998 Ronnie Scotts Birmingham where we were sat at our table so close I could easily pull MK shoe laces if it wasnt he wore boots ;D Also that setlist was amazing, enormous and lots of surprises and gems like Rope Stretching, meet me in the bottom, cant be satisfied, mystery train, you better move on, nadine, etc etc
I was there too, Zeeley on the 10th and had a great time, but the video of the 15th is excellent! I agree, great set list, fantastic atmosphere and a very jovial MK! I forgot to put that one on my list! :smack
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I'm beginning to think the better question would've been: what is your favourite two concerts from each tour? This way it would eliminate any preferences between arrangements on different tours/eras and everyone choosing more than two because it's very difficult to choose only two. :think
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I'm beginning to think the better question would've been: what is your favourite two concerts from each tour? This way it would eliminate any preferences between arrangements on different tours/eras and everyone choosing more than two because it's very difficult to choose only two. :think
Why not ! To me, as I said before, there were no weak tour, and I don't think one tour was better than the other, they are just different attempts (as Mark says) to the songs, at end is great the take on the songs was different from tour to tour... different does not mean better.
- The first tour was great because it's were everything started.
- The Communiqu
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Wow, a lot of accordance with your list from my side! Indeed most of your shows listed would be on my list, too!
LE
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4 NHB 1998 Ronnie Scotts Birmingham where we were sat at our table so close I could easily pull MK shoe laces if it wasnt he wore boots ;D Also that setlist was amazing, enormous and lots of surprises and gems like Rope Stretching, meet me in the bottom, cant be satisfied, mystery train, you better move on, nadine, etc etc
I was there too, Zeeley on the 10th and had a great time, but the video of the 15th is excellent! I agree, great set list, fantastic atmosphere and a very jovial MK! I forgot to put that one on my list! :smack
hehehe those were the days....
I've never seen that video, is it possible when Ingrid is over...... ;) :-[
What I also remember in Ronnie Scott's London that people were eating (full diner) whilst listening to the concert. oh and it started pretty late in the evening ;D
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4 NHB 1998 Ronnie Scotts Birmingham where we were sat at our table so close I could easily pull MK shoe laces if it wasnt he wore boots ;D Also that setlist was amazing, enormous and lots of surprises and gems like Rope Stretching, meet me in the bottom, cant be satisfied, mystery train, you better move on, nadine, etc etc
I was there too, Zeeley on the 10th and had a great time, but the video of the 15th is excellent! I agree, great set list, fantastic atmosphere and a very jovial MK! I forgot to put that one on my list! :smack
hehehe those were the days....
I've never seen that video, is it possible when Ingrid is over...... ;) :-[
What I also remember in Ronnie Scott's London that people were eating (full diner) whilst listening to the concert. oh and it started pretty late in the evening ;D
Yes, of course! Anything else? ;)
BTW We had dinner too, but we finished just before the concert began. :)
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I often read about this mistake on Sultans in Boston (or Chicago ?), but I never heard it, and I can't find it on YT
could someone ulpoad it somewhere, or send it by mail please ?
I just want to listen to this mistake, don't need to the full concert, I have already many from the STP tour
thanks in advance
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Yes, of course! Anything else? ;)
uuhm, last years BBC recording would be nice.... :hmm
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I just listened to the 2001 Boston and Chicago version of Sultans....(thanks to dmg)
indeed the end of the Boston version is....terrible
but I can't hear any BIG mistake in the Chicago version.
Of course there are some greenies here and there, but not much more as on many other versions since 2001....
I agree with dmg, and I don't understand why Val called it a "disaster" ?
otherwiseI listened yesterday to the 2013 istanbul gig, and in WII there is a very noticeable greenie (at 2:33 below), that's what I call a WRONG note
but on Sultans Chicago 2001, I can't hear anything comparable...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpqjGGn-Dgg
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Maybe it needs time to grow on me, but I can't wait that long! ;D