A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: twm on February 18, 2014, 02:08:31 PM
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In the "Everly Brothers" thread, you will find that I have been searching my boxes of cassettes. I have found cassettes of NHB concerts that I did not record myself:
1) Portsmouth Guildhall (12 April 1990)
2) Glasgow Radio Clyde broadcast (presumably from the 25 April 1990 show and probably incomplete)
Are these recordings in circulated?
I thought I had recorded the Glasgow show in full myself but haven't located the cassettes. I actually recall the events after the show better. There was a gaggle of people waiting outside, when one of the crew invited everyone inside. We were asked to sit in the stalls but in every other row. Then the musicians appeared and, going in a line down the empty rows, moved slowly, signing things and talking to fans in the occupied rows. Maybe it happened elsewhere.
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This is, according to Jeroen site, all the NHB recordings availables:
http://www.oneverybootleg.nl/NHB.htm (http://www.oneverybootleg.nl/NHB.htm)
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This is, according to Jeroen site, all the NHB recordings availables:
http://www.oneverybootleg.nl/NHB.htm (http://www.oneverybootleg.nl/NHB.htm)
Lockerbie 1990 is missing from the list.
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This is, according to Jeroen site, all the NHB recordings availables:
http://www.oneverybootleg.nl/NHB.htm (http://www.oneverybootleg.nl/NHB.htm)
Lockerbie 1990 is missing from the list.
Thats the cd list. The dvd list is this one:
http://www.oneverybootleg.nl/DVD.htm#THE_NOTTING_HILLBILLIES__1990-1999___ (http://www.oneverybootleg.nl/DVD.htm#THE_NOTTING_HILLBILLIES__1990-1999___)
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This is, according to Jeroen site, all the NHB recordings availables:
http://www.oneverybootleg.nl/NHB.htm (http://www.oneverybootleg.nl/NHB.htm)
Lockerbie 1990 is missing from the list.
Thats the cd list. The dvd list is this one:
http://www.oneverybootleg.nl/DVD.htm#THE_NOTTING_HILLBILLIES__1990-1999___ (http://www.oneverybootleg.nl/DVD.htm#THE_NOTTING_HILLBILLIES__1990-1999___)
Oh, yes - thanks! ;)
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Thanks, jbaent. I had seen the site before but thought it referred to bootleg albums, rather than a list of all DS/NHB/MK recordings, whether on bootleg albums or not.
I thought this (1) because it used what I might call "titles" for each recording and (2) because it measured the length of the recordings in terms of the length of a CD. I had hoped that there might be, somewhere on-line, a site akin to the following one. If you just keep clicking the highlighted links, you move from the overview to get more and more detail, drilling right down to songs recorded at individual sessions and songlists for each concert, with a lot of other detail as well:
http://www.bjorner.com/chronologies.htm
This is just part of the site, by the way, but I wasn't necessarily seeking that amount of detail but something with a similar approach would be helpful.
As superval pointed out, it may be comprehensive but it isn't complete. If I get the time, I'll look through other pages and see if anything else comes to mind. Incidentally, I am pretty certain that the Lockerbie recording came out through mrs twm, since we attended the show with a friend and I don't think anyone else from "MK World" was there. Some time, I'll tell the tale - or some of it, anyway.
The other thing to say is that because something is not an audience recording that doesn't make it a "soundboard" recording. It isn't a binary choice - one or the other, audience or soundboard. If a single term is sought to differentiate these things, I'd suggest something like "line" recording rather than "soundboard". Some "soundboard" recordings listed may be from soundboards but not all.
SUBSEQUENT ADDITION: I did like the comments on individual shows and songs, by the way. For an "outsider" like me, these were helpful and interesting.
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So it was your wife who recorded on video the Lockerbie concert?
If you click on each of the recordings you can see the songs and also have comments about the quality and source of the recordings, beyond audience and soundboard.
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No, it wasn't mrs twm. I was also there, as was a mutual friend. I have to dash out now. I'll try to relate the story in due course.
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OK, back home. That took less time than I had anticipated. Here's the story.
We used to live not too far from Lockerbie. The concert was a charity event, the proceeds going to the Lockerbie Fund, as I recall. It was also intended to offer a bit of entertainment to the folk of Lockerbie, who had suffered in that dreadful tragedy, not that long before. It was therefore not a concert on the list of regular tour dates. Our local newspaper, for which Lockerbie was probably on the outer reaches of its readership, carried an article about it. Mrs twm wanted to go (of course) and got the tickets. It was clearly a general admission event, so she left early to get a good place in the queue. After work, I went home and, as I got ready,caught the local news on the TV (at that time, we had a TV station in the town). The TV news item clearly showed that the venue was no longer a cinema but was now a bingo hall. This meant that downstairs did not have rows of seats but sets of tables and chairs, with all the people sitting at right angles to the stage. The news clip also showed part of the balcony and that had regular seating. A friend of ours had expressed an interest in attending. He was a video trader and wanted to try out a new video camera that he had bought. He and I drove to Lockerbie and, by the time we arrived, there was a long queue. We drove slowly by and there was mrs twm, sitting on a fold-down stool at the head of the queue, intently reading a book. We parked, went back to the venue, joined her at the head of the queue and told her about the seating arrangements. We all agreed to head straight upstairs and grab the best seats we could. As it happens, the front seats on the left were reserved for local dignatories but we got the front seats to the right, on the balcony. I made a tape recording of the whole show but, on the way home in the car, it was evident that the tape had simply not pulled properly through the pinch mechanism, so the resultant recording was unusuable. At the time, we didn't know how the video had come out. Our friend was not happy with it at all. For him, quite experienced in "filming" concerts, he thought it should have been better. He had a good position looking down on the stage, no hassle from security, an unobstructed view of the proceedings in a small venue and he was able to keep the camera fairly steady throughout but .... there was simply too much "white-out" on the faces to make it an acceptable recording; it was below his standards. Nevertheless, we asked him to put it on a VHS cassette, which he did. He may have been a touch reluctant but he did it for us as we had been friends of long-standing.
And that's about it except that mrs twm no longer has a video recording of the Lockerbie show, about which I will say no more.
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Many thanks twm! I will think of you and Mrs twm next time I watch the video. It's nice to have some background info about the recordings. :)
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love those stories too.
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i also do like the his bobness info site twm, know that one?
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so that porthsmouth rec. of yours is most def. not freely circulating. now that would be a nice thing to start with :)
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I'd love to know what more surprises TWM has in his cassete collection
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-iou75VVis
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Great to hear this stuff.
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It's like a school history lesson, only interesting!
I think the Locherbie show was truly a great show with wonderful versions of all songs. Glasgow was also excellent with an outstanding YOSW, but unfortunately we never got the full show on the Radio Clyde broadcast. :(
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It's like a school history lesson, only interesting!
I think the Locherbie show was truly a great show with wonderful versions of all songs. Glasgow was also excellent with an outstanding YOSW, but unfortunately we never got the full show on the Radio Clyde broadcast. :(
Did that radio a live broadcast, or did they recorded it and broadcast later? It would so great to have the full show...
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It's like a school history lesson, only interesting!
I think the Locherbie show was truly a great show with wonderful versions of all songs. Glasgow was also excellent with an outstanding YOSW, but unfortunately we never got the full show on the Radio Clyde broadcast. :(
Did that radio a live broadcast, or did they recorded it and broadcast later? It would so great to have the full show...
I don't know. It's a local radio channel in Glasgow but I can pick it up where I live (internet too now obviously) however at the time I hadn't a clue it was being broadcasted. The first time I heard about this show was when I got the bootleg! Don't you just hate it when the solo fades out at the end of Railroad Worksong. Nooooooooo.
I wasn't at the show either - I didn't even know about the Hillbillies tour in 1990. Information at that time (pre-internet) was so rare and it was only a chance sighting in a newspaper that I saw an advert for DS playing the SECC that I got to see them in 1991 or I would never even have known about that either. I never even knew about the DSIS.
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Just listening to Lockerbie again. I love "When You've Got a Good Friend"! Now I DO wish NHB would get together for some gigs like this again!
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DMG, do you think that radio can be contacted and asked them about it? Like "i just found out your station broadcasted this show on 90, can it be rebroadcasted or any way to get it? ;)
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DMG, do you think that radio can be contacted and asked them about it? Like "i just found out your station broadcasted this show on 90, can it be rebroadcasted or any way to get it? ;)
I have sent them a message.
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i wish we could get a fresh transfer from the original video recording....
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As dmg said, the Glasgow NHB show was not broadcast "live" while the performance was actually taking place but was recorded and an edited version was broadcast. I have a feeling that, at one time, Radio Clyde was broadcast to a wider area than at present but I'm not sure. I certainly did not record the broadcast myself but got it from a contact (I forget from whom) and the recording was OK but my contact was not perfectly tuned in to the station. It may be that he was on the edge of the broadcast range.
The more technical people on this site may comment and may contradict me but I doubt that it is a recording from the soundboard. More likely, Radio Clyde recorded it themselves. Settings for the sound that the band would want for that particular venue would be different from the settings required for a broadcast, I would have thought. Am I wrong?
I am pleased that the Lockerbie recording has been enjoyed by others. The venue being a former cinema not usually used for live gigs, there was no dressing room. I seem to recall that they used some kind of small hall next door, requiring them to go outside to go inside, as it were. I have a vague memory of photographs taken of the band in the passageway between the two - but it was a long time ago.
As for those cassettes, not much would be of direct interest here, I suspect, but there are many radio shows about all manner of musicians, performers and others. I did record Brendan Croker in 1993, with his permission, at The Bridge Hotel in Newcastle, which very close to those steps in one of MK's songs.
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Settings for the sound that the band would want for that particular venue would be different from the settings required for a broadcast, I would have thought. Am I wrong?
every time a show is filmed/recorded/broadcasted (I mean professionnaly) the settings for the broadcast go through another soundboard than the one used for the FOH mixing, or at least if it's the same soundboard, there are 2 different mixes (using aux on the desk for example)
so even if the band want a particular sound due to a venue, it should not prevent to record and broadcast it
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I think that was what I was getting at. "Soundboard", to me, suggests the FOH mix - what we hear in the hall. The broadcast of a live concert would use a different mix from the FOH one. To me, that is entirely logical and I suggested a more generic term such as "line recording" for such recordings.
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I think that was what I was getting at. "Soundboard", to me, suggests the FOH mix - what we hear in the hall. The broadcast of a live concert would use a different mix from the FOH one. To me, that is entirely logical and I suggested a more generic term such as "line recording" for such recordings.
totally agree
on my personnal bootleg list, I don't write "soundboard" but rather the broadcast source : TV, radio, in ear monitor, etc... and I write soundboard when it's obviously a mix comming from the soundboard.
by the way a mix can comes out the soundboard but not being the FOH mix, rather an aux mix for monitor return, or anything else.
an example is the Cleveland 85 gig (silver pressed bootleg "american tour") : the mix is obviosuly a mix for Mark's monitor return (his voice and guitar and far more present than other intsruments, no reverb)
another example is the in ear monitor from LA 2001. It's not the FOH mix, but it comes from a sounboard so to say, in fact another mini soundboard used only for this purpose.
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A few more comments on the NHB Lockerbie concert.
First, thanks for posting the link. I have skipped my way through it, alighting here and there. For an audience video shot so long ago, it's not bad at all but not as good as my recall of it. The sections with blue light are clearer but with the red lights you get "colour-bleed" and "whiteout" , made worse when the spots are turned on.
Second, the missing intros on "Down the road" and "One woman man" presumably result from keeping the camera hidden when the house lights were on.
Third, by the timing at the end of "Blues Stay Away From Me" and the way the song ends visually, it looks as though the recording was done with one-hour video-cassettes and that it was necessary to change cassettes at this point, which would at least explain one of the omissions (the intro to "Worksong") and why the camera is quite shaky at that point the filming resumes (he was getting the camera back in position).
Fourth, is it my imagination but is the sound slightly out of synch with the visuals on "Worksong" and thereafter. And the visuals are less good, I think.
Fifth, I will try to find out if the original recording is still in existence but don't hold your breath - it was almost 24 years ago and my friend may not have kept it.
Sixth, I have a very vague memory that my friend did not get the complete concert - that he missed at least one encore song. Does that fit with any other information that you lot have?
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Great to hear this stuff.
+1 :clap