A Mark In Time
General Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Pottel on July 05, 2014, 05:06:11 PM
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out in october, according to a tweet by polly samson, wife of david gilmour...
all new material....omg, this just made my year....
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'Just 33 minutes ago... Polly dropped a bombshell on her twitter feed."@PollySamson: Btw Pink Floyd album out in October is called "The Endless River". Based on 1994 sessions is Rick Wright's swansong and very beautiful."
https://twitter.com/pollysamson/stat...11029573439488'
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WHHHHHHAAAAATTTTTTTT ?????
if this is a joke i'm gonna kill you fort this.
Otherwise.,,,,, wov....evertyhing
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From: http://consequenceofsound.net/2014/07/pink-floyd-to-release-new-album-the-endless-river-in-october/
"Singer Durga McBroom-Hudson, who toured with Pink Floyd throughout the 1980s and early 1990s, revealed further details on her Facebook page.
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great news ! but surprising :o ???
Bjorn from gilmourish.com was expecting a new David's album soon.
it seems it has turned into a floyd project... :hmm but what does really mean "pink floyd" today ? :think Does it mean that Roger is involved ? :o (it could be since Dave was guest on some Roger's shows...)
if not, apart from the Rick's tune from 94, it would be "only" a Dave album with Nick on drums imho... :think
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a little googling...
Roger is NOT involved in the project, although his relationship with david as improved during late years
sounds more to a Dave album to me, rather than a "real" floyd album
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It comes from sessions recorded in 94 (known as The Big Spliff in Nick Mason's book). It seems that it will be mainly instrumental songs.
By the way, it's a great surprise and it will be a great pleasure to discover a new Pink Floyd record, with some great solos played by David Gilmour.
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great news ! but surprising :o ???
Bjorn from gilmourish.com was expecting a new David's album soon.
it seems it has turned into a floyd project... :hmm but what does really mean "pink floyd" today ? :think Does it mean that Roger is involved ? :o (it could be since Dave was guest on some Roger's shows...)
if not, apart from the Rick's tune from 94, it would be "only" a Dave album with Nick on drums imho... :think
bjorn based himself, as we all did, on that pic of david with the backing singers in the studio's
but David had already promised rick wright in his last weeks/days/hours (in the end, do not know exactly when) that he would use his compositions and turn them in a floyd record, together with the "Big spliff" recordings that happened at the same time as the Division bell recordings, which were mainly instrumental songs.
Pink Floyd consists out of david, nick and rick.
roger legally left the band in 1985.
for me this is floyd as much as the 94, 87, 77, 67 versions.
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great news ! but surprising :o ???
Bjorn from gilmourish.com was expecting a new David's album soon.
it seems it has turned into a floyd project... :hmm but what does really mean "pink floyd" today ? :think Does it mean that Roger is involved ? :o (it could be since Dave was guest on some Roger's shows...)
if not, apart from the Rick's tune from 94, it would be "only" a Dave album with Nick on drums imho... :think
bjorn based himself, as we all did, on that pic of david with the backing singers in the studio's
but David had already promised rick wright in his last weeks/days/hours (in the end, do not know exactly when) that he would use his compositions and turn them in a floyd record, together with the "Big spliff" recordings that happened at the same time as the Division bell recordings, which were mainly instrumental songs.
Pink Floyd consists out of david, nick and rick.
roger legally left the band in 1985.
for me this is floyd as much as the 94, 87, 77, 67 versions.
With all due respect I can't agree to this.
Given the fact that Roger meant so much to Flyod in terms of songwriting and lyrics, and the very touching reconciliation between the two over the years, it is great pity that Roger was not involved somehow. I hope it won't be the start of a new feud.,,
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/music-news/10953265/Pink-Floyds-new-album-how-new-is-it.html
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/music-news/10953265/Pink-Floyds-new-album-how-new-is-it.html
Kind of agree with that article. Its great news, but the excitement goes down and down pretty fast to me.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/music-news/10953265/Pink-Floyds-new-album-how-new-is-it.html
Kind of agree with that article. Its great news, but the excitement goes down and down pretty fast to me.
+1
PF was at their best when they were a team, when Dave and Roger completed each other.
It was a beautiful thing that these men, who have little in common both philosophically and musically, could together produce the most highly regarded albums ever - Meddle, Dark Side, Wish, Animals, Wall.
Neither of them achieved much alone, although I agree that division bell is not that bad and better than Pros & cons and Radio Kaos. I also think that Amused to Death is the greateast post-wall Pf related album (anyone agrees ?)
I think MK is the only one-person genius here: Dave's great guitar skills and Roger's great songwriting skills in one person ! :)
Anyway I'm gonna watch live at pompei again - their best time, before they got famous ! Long live Echoes...
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I agree with you Herlock. I hope MK will never ever do something under DS name, because it'll push him in the dimension of a standard reunion old rock heroes.
Why new album? Take Beatles for instance, they released a brand new songs in 90s, but it was on Anthology, it wasn't a 'new album by the Beatles'. So I kinda dislike this Pink Floyd's record right away.
But hey, even Jackson and Jimi still make records, so what we can ask here...
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I am not that much into PF than some of you folks, but from the point of view of a generally music-interested person I might say that MK will never reach the same hight of fame and reputation as DG and RW have. In parts it is his own decision, in keeping it low-key like he does with his solo efforts for example. He will be remembered as a guitarist who developed a unique guitar sound and of the head of the band who made that first pop-Compact Disc album Brothers in Arms. No history here that much I am afraid. Not that I would care about that.
LE
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I dont think this is Gilmour doing a Pink Floyd album, but Gilmour giving a final shape to unreleased Pink Floyd songs, so its a PF album 100%, at least a post-Roger Waters PF album.
I agree that Amused to Death its the best RW album, "The Final Cut" wasn
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I pretty much feel the same way as the writer of The Telegraph article. I mean, sure I'll get the album, but here's what I wrote elsewhere regarding the news; On the one hand I'm very excited about this, if it's true, -PF is fantastic. But on the other I'm trying to stay cautious as there's usually a reason songs are not included on the albums first time around. PF are great, although they've been re-releasing their music over the years in different remastered versions and collections and it's almost like they're realizing they can't do more with it, so now they're going for unreleased stuff. I'm thinking that at worst it could be a hodgepodge of different styles that don't really "fit in" with each other, but it remains to be seen/heard. So, I'm cautiously optimistic...
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I dont think this is Gilmour doing a Pink Floyd album, but Gilmour giving a final shape to unreleased Pink Floyd songs, so its a PF album 100%, at least a post-Roger Waters PF album.
I agree that Amused to Death its the best RW album, "The Final Cut" wasn
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Actually its a big dissapointment, I was expecting a solo Gilmour cd with a new tour, but if it was PF what he was doing, there wont be any tour, and I still want to see Gilmour live...
In the other hand, Crosby and Nash said they were singing for him, so...
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Actually its a big dissapointment, I was expecting a solo Gilmour cd with a new tour, but if it was PF what he was doing, there wont be any tour, and I still want to see Gilmour live...
In the other hand, Crosby and Nash said they were singing for him, so...
Here in the UK we had the first airing on Radio 2 (Chris Evans) of the first track called 'Louder than words' from the forthcoming 'Last ever' PF Album 'and it's rather good - beautiful clean Strat Sound....
This album is largely instrumentals - with a few songs written by DG's other half for good measure..
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great news ! but surprising :o ???
Bjorn from gilmourish.com was expecting a new David's album soon.
it seems it has turned into a floyd project... :hmm but what does really mean "pink floyd" today ? :think Does it mean that Roger is involved ? :o (it could be since Dave was guest on some Roger's shows...)
if not, apart from the Rick's tune from 94, it would be "only" a Dave album with Nick on drums imho... :think
bjorn based himself, as we all did, on that pic of david with the backing singers in the studio's
but David had already promised rick wright in his last weeks/days/hours (in the end, do not know exactly when) that he would use his compositions and turn them in a floyd record, together with the "Big spliff" recordings that happened at the same time as the Division bell recordings, which were mainly instrumental songs.
Pink Floyd consists out of david, nick and rick.
roger legally left the band in 1985.
for me this is floyd as much as the 94, 87, 77, 67 versions.
With all due respect I can't agree to this.
Given the fact that Roger meant so much to Flyod in terms of songwriting and lyrics, and the very touching reconciliation between the two over the years, it is great pity that Roger was not involved somehow. I hope it won't be the start of a new feud.,,
he does not want to be, it is not him being left out.
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Actually its a big dissapointment, I was expecting a solo Gilmour cd with a new tour, but if it was PF what he was doing, there wont be any tour, and I still want to see Gilmour live...
In the other hand, Crosby and Nash said they were singing for him, so...
that IS still coming.
i heard the first few instrumentals (and recognised one from old demo's from 93) and loved it.
i am a sucker for any floyd. preferrably with DG (if i need to choose, which i do not like)
listening to the shine on demo now...aaaahhh
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I listened to the first available tune. Although I liked it (Gilmour's guitar and voice cannot possibly be hated), I had the same feeling as for "On an island": nice, but a bit too "easy listening" compared to PF's golden era...
What disappoints me most (sorry Pottel) is that Roger was not involved. A great opportunity was missed. Those guys, after 20 years of stupid fighting, have reconciled. They now invite each other on stage, they hug each other, they speak about forgiveness... so why on earth couln't they reunite and merge under the PF brand ??? why had Roger to say "I don't belong to PF, I left PF 19 years ago, that's no rocket science" ? What are you waiting for, guys: for yet another key member to pass away ? haven't you learned your lesson the hard way when Rick died before the 4 of you could do another album together ?
I had a dream that all 3 of you would work together again and release an album under the brand "What's left of Pink Floyd"...
Oh well. Love you guys anyway, you and Mark are the best musicians ever.
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now let's wait for 10.11
also, i have a feeling as a lot of the stuff in David's safe is going to be seeing the light of day soon.
they even have rehearsals from back in '69 in there, all catalogued amazingly well apparantly. (great article in the actual uncut magazine)
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I listened to the first available tune. Although I liked it (Gilmour's guitar and voice cannot possibly be hated), I had the same feeling as for "On an island": nice, but a bit too "easy listening" compared to PF's golden era...
What disappoints me most (sorry Pottel) is that Roger was not involved. A great opportunity was missed. Those guys, after 20 years of stupid fighting, have reconciled. They now invite each other on stage, they hug each other, they speak about forgiveness... so why on earth couln't they reunite and merge under the PF brand ??? why had Roger to say "I don't belong to PF, I left PF 19 years ago, that's no rocket science" ? What are you waiting for, guys: for yet another key member to pass away ? haven't you learned your lesson the hard way when Rick died before the 4 of you could do another album together ?
I had a dream that all 3 of you would work together again and release an album under the brand "What's left of Pink Floyd"...
Oh well. Love you guys anyway, you and Mark are the best musicians ever.
100% agree
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whatching the Remember that night live at the RAH bluray, with all the goodies, this is how i always hope mark would come up with a bag of goodies.
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one of my favourite Gilmour pieces (of the more recent ones)
imagine Mark just releasing his studio noodling to the fans...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjgS13vN9b0
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good bit starts around 1:55
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basically it is three different pieces. second one starting around 7:30
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and at the end David on the drums.
anyways, linked the wrong favourite jam...
here is the right one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTmZJ4euPes
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very cool stuff
playing with fingers on a LP, it makes me think to someone... :think ;)
BTW, David played drums on the narrow way part.3
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By the way which one is Pink?
Really now, it is another album from our favorite musicians, that we somehow got used to their sound and in a way their way of doing things. Nothing more nothing else. The only solid argument about their quality is that they haven't released them in the first place. On the other hand, DG wouldn't issue something worthless. He surely did the best he could.
I will buy it and enjoy it. Surely now, the best Roger Waters, Pink Floyd sounding record without Gilmour has to be the Pros and Cons. But I have to declare that none of the post Wall albums have sat on my turntable as much as their 70ies output. Maybe that reveals something. (Although from the PF canon, I was listening only to Atom heart mother & Division Bell during my 18 month army service in 1995. )
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By the way which one is Pink?
have a cigar.... ;)
The only solid argument about their quality is that they haven't released them in the first place. On the other hand, DG wouldn't issue something worthless. He surely did the best he could.
about the Final Cut album, Gilmour said in a 80ies itw something like : "Roger wanted to record again tunes that were left over from the wall sessions...and I didn't understand why. I thought that if these songs were not good enough for the wall, why they would be better for the new album ? And I still think the same"
does he think the same about Rick's tunes that were not included in the division bell album ?.... :think ::)
Although from the PF canon, I was listening only to Atom heart mother & Division Bell during my 18 month army service in 1995
hey Vassili I also did my army service in 95-96, but what I was listening by then was :
Sgt. pepper / abbey road / white album
CSN - carry on comp
Oldfield - crises / platinum
Genesis - wind and wuthering
Led Zep - coda
cream best of
and of course....Golden Heart ;)
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Hey JF, just read the Uncut article, which explains what happened back then. Of course, I still think that something superb wouldn't remain buried for 20 years, but I won't go into this hypothesis, because I, too, can't wait for it. ;D Taking material of more than 22 hours and cutting and pasting together the best pieces then taking some more from older archives (1969!) and piecing them all together, plus recording new drum, bass and guitar parts, plus vocals, it can be interpreted in many ways. No matter. Press buy it now!
The final cut was not described adequately from Gilmour. There were hardly left overs from the wall. Pros and cons was written at the same time with the Wall and they just needed the money so they went with the extended double one, which had a more universal theme as well.
The lyrics of Final cut were brand new and since Roger was in a state of mind to do it quickly and as he desired he was forced to use some themes that rung a bell. All in all, it is a very depressing album with no single like another brick to carry some of its weight, and that is why it is overlooked.
But this new one, as it is described in Uncut, is something different. They wanted to issue a double album back then, Division bell + an instrumental counter part. As they state this is not the BIG SPLIFF but some parts of it are surely included. So maybe some good ideas, but with different direction from the "mainstream" floydian sound.
In the army I used to listen many many things. I just mentioned the PF i used to listen. I also listened to Pixies-doolittle and surfer rosa/come on pilgrim , Radiohead-the bends, P.J. Harvey-to bring you my love, Television-their third album, Massive attack-protection, and some mix tapes from friends or from home, including some of the things you mention . If my memory serves me well it was Tubular bells II, Hergest ridge (which I love), U2, Springsteen etc.
In 1996 I got a parcel at the barracks and inside was Golden Heart! Sent from my petit brother! Since I didn't have a portable CD player, it took me some 3-4 months to listen to it, but it was a nice surprise!
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In the army I used to listen many many things.
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In 1996 I got a parcel at the barracks and inside was Golden Heart! Sent from my petit brother! Since I didn't have a portable CD player, it took me some 3-4 months to listen to it, but it was a nice surprise!
Beeing in the army and listening to Done with Bonaparte. This must be such an experience...
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By the way which one is Pink?
Really now, it is another album from our favorite musicians, that we somehow got used to their sound and in a way their way of doing things. Nothing more nothing else. The only solid argument about their quality is that they haven't released them in the first place. On the other hand, DG wouldn't issue something worthless. He surely did the best he could.
I will buy it and enjoy it. Surely now, the best Roger Waters, Pink Floyd sounding record without Gilmour has to be the Pros and Cons. But I have to declare that none of the post Wall albums have sat on my turntable as much as their 70ies output. Maybe that reveals something. (Although from the PF canon, I was listening only to Atom heart mother & Division Bell during my 18 month army service in 1995. )
i by far prefer Amused to death.
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Pottel, Amused to death is very strong, (probably stronger than all of RW albums) but somehow the music is not exactly PF sounding, despite the superb guitar work of JB, the similar sound FX and the exquisite songs. Can't explain it exactly. But this is the reason I prefer pros and cons, because it is more PF sounding. It is familiar territory, like coming back at home, even if it is a house filled with psychopaths. And I can't imagine how it would be like to have the guitar and the odd couple of songs by Gilmour.
Nababo, to tell you the truth we were at the brink of war with Turkey back then and we were always on alert. The crisis ended but we stayed on alert for almost a year. No days or nights off. I couldn't sleep with ear plugs, because I had to be alert, and I couldn't sleep due to the noise, so I found a mid ground, to sleep with music on which ended 30 minutes after. (one side of the tape) I was without a leave of absence for 9 months and then it was a few days off every 2-3 months. So if I remember correctly it was late in 1996 or early 1997 that I first listened to it. And by then I was just 2-3 months away from getting a discharge. So I never thought about it, this way, really!
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The problem with Roger is that he is Roger, musically speaking.
He could have the best musicians of the world with him and turn the whole thing lame...
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Beeing in the army and listening to Done with Bonaparte. This must be such an experience...
I listened to DWB during my army service, but well it was note really "army" you know.... I was in an audiovisual office in a "military doctors university" (don't know the right term in english), and I could go home every day, and even take my noon-lunch in civil with my wife, you see...so my context was miles away from vgonis' one !
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The problem with Roger is that he is Roger, musically speaking.
He could have the best musicians of the world with him and turn the whole thing lame...
yes and that's why Roger's songs were the best when played by floyd, "transcended" by Gilmour I may say, and in a lesser way by Wright
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Witty remark ds1984! Made me laugh! I think that he would laugh as well!
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Nababo, to tell you the truth we were at the brink of war with Turkey back then and we were always on alert. The crisis ended but we stayed on alert for almost a year. No days or nights off. I couldn't sleep with ear plugs, because I had to be alert, and I couldn't sleep due to the noise, so I found a mid ground, to sleep with music on which ended 30 minutes after. (one side of the tape) I was without a leave of absence for 9 months and then it was a few days off every 2-3 months. So if I remember correctly it was late in 1996 or early 1997 that I first listened to it. And by then I was just 2-3 months away from getting a discharge. So I never thought about it, this way, really!
Living in a country that was not involved in conflicts lately, I always forget that the risks and dangers of war are a part of many people's lives, even in developed nations. And I want to apologize if, in any way, I was disrespectful about your army service. Even if MK could write the best song about a soldier's life, I'm sure he would never be able to match the real fears of being at the verge of a conflict. Was this issue about Cyprus, by the way?
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Dear Nababo, we even tend to forget at times. So don't worry! No offense at all and no need for apologies! You once again proved how kind you are!
More on the subject at a PM!
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By the way which one is Pink?
Really now, it is another album from our favorite musicians, that we somehow got used to their sound and in a way their way of doing things. Nothing more nothing else. The only solid argument about their quality is that they haven't released them in the first place. On the other hand, DG wouldn't issue something worthless. He surely did the best he could.
I will buy it and enjoy it. Surely now, the best Roger Waters, Pink Floyd sounding record without Gilmour has to be the Pros and Cons. But I have to declare that none of the post Wall albums have sat on my turntable as much as their 70ies output. Maybe that reveals something. (Although from the PF canon, I was listening only to Atom heart mother & Division Bell during my 18 month army service in 1995. )
i by far prefer Amused to death.
Agree, Pottel !
Amused to death is one of my all time favorites album. I like it almost as much as a golden era PF
Album.
"What God wants, part 3" is out of this world with JB solo, "watching TV" brings tears to me, and "it's a miracle" is so touching.
Roger has his faults, but in terms of songwriting he is a serious competitor for Mark !
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It was released just yesterday (in Germany) and on my first listen through I felt it was rather a let-down. There were some interesting bits in there, but overall I felt it was quite dull and really nothing special. It was undoubtedly post-Waters Floyd, but it felt repetitive in terms that I'd heard most of it before in one variation or another, like much of it was like outtakes from previous Floyd that simply hadn't "made the cut", which I guess is the case here since it's based on outtakes from the Division Bell. In a way I'd like to liken it to an best-of compilation album, or maybe a remake of all the other albums squeezed into one -kind of. There are nods and hints at old Floyd songs all the way through, but they were much better the first time around. I don't imagine it will be an album I will listen to a lot, but then again I could be wrong and it might grow on me. There've been a few albums through the years (by numerous artists) that have required a few play-throughs before I took a liking to them.
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It will arrive in Greece on Monday or Tuesday(actually some stores already have it but the release date is on Monday). I really don't expect a new Wish you were here, not even a Momentary lapse. But if this is the last PF record to be released, so I am bound to listen to it. I guess post-posthumously, the families will dig for gold in the vaults, unless the living members destroy them.
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Let's all thank Mark who does not revisiting the past and always brings new songs and lyrics which he still have something to say with.
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Perhaps, but i would love to listen to some lost songs, like Real girl, or Making movies, or a studio version of Eastbound train and What's the matter baby. Or the demo of private dancer!
Plus many more !
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Perhaps, but i would love to listen to some lost songs, like Real girl, or Making movies, or a studio version of Eastbound train and What's the matter baby. Or the demo of private dancer!
Plus many more !
Real Girl and Eastbound train do exist in studio versions. They are called "demo" versions, but they are produced like "real" studio versions, they are not demos with just some instruments like some songs on golden demos or making movies for example which are obviously not "finished"
I really love the Eastbound train studio version
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I I really don't expect a new Wish you were here
last week I watched the doculentary "the story of wish you were here". I didn't learn that much, but interesting though.
I think that this is my favourite album (although Animals is a good challenger)
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Now JF, turning this thread into a DS one... It was supposed to be about PF! ;D I know about Real girl and Eastbound train, I think I have them at early demos recordings.
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It was released just yesterday (in Germany) and on my first listen through I felt it was rather a let-down. There were some interesting bits in there, but overall I felt it was quite dull and really nothing special. It was undoubtedly post-Waters Floyd, but it felt repetitive in terms that I'd heard most of it before in one variation or another, like much of it was like outtakes from previous Floyd that simply hadn't "made the cut", which I guess is the case here since it's based on outtakes from the Division Bell. In a way I'd like to liken it to an best-of compilation album, or maybe a remake of all the other albums squeezed into one -kind of. There are nods and hints at old Floyd songs all the way through, but they were much better the first time around. I don't imagine it will be an album I will listen to a lot, but then again I could be wrong and it might grow on me. There've been a few albums through the years (by numerous artists) that have required a few play-throughs before I took a liking to them.
omg, the guitar, the piano, organ,..the drums...the lack of words (the one sung song is the weakest imho, even though i would not say it is bad) it is one big effing landscape, which needs to be listened to with headphones on and the volume on 11...
it is nothing less but sublime.
we would all dance and kiss the next person if Mark would play that much guitar again,....
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I like it, it starts very very well but when approaching the end gets more and more boring, even the sung song its not quite the good I expected, but in general, its a better record than I thought it would be.
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My cd/Blu-ray box set has just arrived at home so will listen to it tonight - looking forward to watching the blu-ray content too...
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The CD is not yet released in France but I could buy it on Itunes.
A very nice listen, but nothing much new under the sun - kind of compilation of Floyd's history.
Same overall feeling than "on as island": nice, but will not go down in History as a masterpiece... I'm glad to have it though.
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I haven't heard it and I am not interested in it the slightest but I read Guy's answer to Pottels questions: "It is nothing if not nostalgic"..
Honestly, I think it is quite arrogant always to depreciate "nostalgia" and fans who like that. Mark is not the most modern muso of all times to be precise,
all that blues stuff on the last record, songs like Hard Shoulder (great of course, but an echo from the past), the complete Kill to get Crimson is also not exactly the LATEST SHIT - it is what Mark liked during his youth MINUS what made him great - great compositions, genious guitar playing. Nowadays, the guitar seems more and more as if he is annoyed by it - and listening to most of the 2013 live shows makes me cringe more than once - I have problems to take those shows and take it to my friends and present it to them to listen to it - "Hey, listen, how great this is" - the things I used to do with Alchemy and On Every Street stuff... he is definitely not playing great anymore these days. That would be fine with me when I would write on the same level as 1978 until 1991, but it is all getting simpler and simpler, more and more stripped down.. less and less guitar.. less and less melodic ideas, only folk stuff, and echoes from the all the career..
that is what I feel about Mark for some months now, and it might sound heretic, but I can perfectly empathize with Maarten speaking of God and not meaning Mark.. (of course, Clapton is God, not Gilmour, but that's another story... :) )
LE
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I haven't heard it and I am not interested in it the slightest but I read Guy's answer to Pottels questions: "It is nothing if not nostalgic"..
Honestly, I think it is quite arrogant always to depreciate "nostalgia" and fans who like that. Mark is not the most modern muso of all times to be precise,
all that blues stuff on the last record, songs like Hard Shoulder (great of course, but an echo from the past), the complete Kill to get Crimson is also not exactly the LATEST SHIT - it is what Mark liked during his youth MINUS what made him great - great compositions, genious guitar playing. Nowadays, the guitar seems more and more as if he is annoyed by it - and listening to most of the 2013 live shows makes me cringe more than once - I have problems to take those shows and take it to my friends and present it to them to listen to it - "Hey, listen, how great this is" - the things I used to do with Alchemy and On Every Street stuff... he is definitely not playing great anymore these days. That would be fine with me when I would write on the same level as 1978 until 1991, but it is all getting simpler and simpler, more and more stripped down.. less and less guitar.. less and less melodic ideas, only folk stuff, and echoes from the all the career..
that is what I feel about Mark for some months now, and it might sound heretic, but I can perfectly empathize with Maarten speaking of God and not meaning Mark.. (of course, Clapton is God, not Gilmour, but that's another story... :) )
LE
Yes, I empathise with you very much indeed and feel that these days Mark isn't playing to his strengths. He does seem uninterested by his guitars for some time now and this reiterated phrase "the song is king" only tells me that he can't be bothered to do a solo on a song any more rather than anything in any artistic sense.
If I was going to produce a sample of his work for my friends then a 2013 stick would not be handed over by me either. I'd rather make my own compilation and it would be 90% DS stuff probably. :-\
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Well, I don't really care for guitar heroes, even though it started that way for me 30 years ago. But what I really miss is powerful songs. I mean I would love to have both, songs and guitar, but I will take songs without guitar if they are great. After all guitar is just a means. When it becomes an end, it might be harmful for the composition. So many great guitar players played few notes at the correct spots and that made them great. So, what I miss is great songs. And there are so many old acts that can be discovered, that I can't complain...
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LE I have exactly the same feeling.
I must admit I like nostalgia, and I prefer listen to old recordings (from Floyd, Stones, Dire straits, etc...) studio or/and live, rather than recent ones.
I have not listened to the last Floyd album yet, but I must admit I am even not excited by listen to it.
My first desire would rather be to listen to Wish you, Atom, darks side, meddle or Animals again and again.
You can call this "living in the past" but it gives me far far more goosebumps/emotion/tears than listen to the last album from EC, Gilmour,or even MK
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I bought Endless river last Saturday, and listened to it 5 or 6 times.
I can't judge if it's a great record yet. But I think that it's a great gift that Gilmour and Mason have made to all Pink Floyd fans, to have one last time the pleasure to discover new musical pieces from them.
Wright keyboards are the heart of this record, and Gilmour is less in front than usual.
But the magic still operates on some tracks, and the record is a journey between the discography of the band. I think you must already know the music of pink Floyd to appreciate this record.
And releasing nowadays a record with only one song with lyrics is rather risky, and I applause Gilmour and Mason for that.
Hopefully, Gilmour will release a solo record next year, so there will be another occasion to listen great guitar sounds and solo one more time.
So much exciting than the next MK record and tour...
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(of course, Clapton is God, not Gilmour, but that's another story... :) )
LE
Gonna have to totally disagree with you there LE..... 'Clapton is god' Never - Clapton's music is so plain and boring - period!!!!
New 'PF' album is good and the box set Blu-Ray has some wonderful material on it but I am really looking forward to the GOD that is MK and the release of the long awaited 'Tracker' and of course the tour too....
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I always look forward to the next MK album (and tour), even if there isn't as much guitar as before. I am of the opinion that MK has been tailoring his songs in the past few years to take into account his capabilities now that he is getting older and his fingers may not be as nimble as they used to be. For him, I truly believe, the song is still king and I can live with less guitar solos, so long as the songs are still good, which I think they are, with one or two exceptions, of course. In fact some of my favourite MK songs do not have much guitar, but it's the words and MK's voice that I love and they still thrill me as much as a guitar solo. :)
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(of course, Clapton is God, not Gilmour, but that's another story... :) )
LE
Gonna have to totally disagree with you there LE..... 'Clapton is god' Never - Clapton's music is so plain and boring - period!!!!
New 'PF' album is good and the box set Blu-Ray has some wonderful material on it but I am really looking forward to the GOD that is MK and the release of the long awaited 'Tracker' and of course the tour too....
Knopflerfan, it might sound weak now when I say this, but of of course I was more speaking about the famous "Clapton is God" quoation - to me, no one of them both is God, even MK is not God (of the guitar) - I never thought in these categories. Of course it's MK and his guitar playing which I like the most, even if my last post sounds a little bit harsh. But MK is in his own categorie anyway, in many ways, isn't he? ;)
And it is possible that I get back into "fanboy" mode when the first snippets or the first track is out as an appetizer for Tracker.. ;D
LE
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Here is a nice review of The Endless River rockandrolltree.blogspot.com (http://rockandrolltree.blogspot.com)
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Here is a nice review of The Endless River rockandrolltree.blogspot.com (http://rockandrolltree.blogspot.com)
Thanks jbaent! I notice a piece about The Rocket Dolls there too! ;)
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Did you also notice that at the end of the blog, it talks about the song Behind The Mask? It includes a film clip of Eric Clapton doing it on tour with Mark and Elton John. :lol Unfortunately, I wasn't hearing MK's distinctive sound like many of the other songs with EC. :(
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It is a good record, a wink to all the fans, with the compositions that have a reference to old songs (Us and them, Keep talking, etc)
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exactly.
now nick mason is joining David on his solo album. 2015 sounds like an awesome year..
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Mmmmm, let me guess, Nick Mason joining the DG band for the tour, as did Rick Wright with last tour?
Would be nice.
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not sure
dave seems to like his drummer from the last tour, the guy that also played for crosby and nash Steve distanislas..