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Title: Blue Pensa on telegraph road
Post by: kaleo74 on January 03, 2015, 04:57:09 PM
Happy new year to all forumers !
asked Doc : "Hi Doc, New Year begins, let us pray that it will be a year with new peace, new happiness, god bless you through out the New Year, again, thank you for your time on the forum and for sharing so much informations with us. Can you tell us if Mark tried the blue pensa on Telegraph road just to see how it sounds ? I really love this gem and wondering if it will be the special guest of next tour. Happy new year."

answer : It has been tried

I hope it will for the next tour
Title: Re: Blue Pensa on telegraph road
Post by: herlock on January 03, 2015, 07:04:01 PM
Should we understand that TR -MK's best work ever- will still be on the setlist this tour ?? This in itself is great news ! And if the first solo could be back instead of the infamous karaoke mode that took place in 2008...
Give me back the TR from 1996/2001/2005, the best ever !!
Title: Re: Blue Pensa on telegraph road
Post by: LoveExpresso on January 03, 2015, 07:25:06 PM
Funny how you hear what you want to hear. It has been tried just means.. well, it has been tried. Could have been in any year since 2011. How you conclude that TR is in the next set list is beyond me. Hope he skips it together with What It Is..

LE

 
Title: Re: Blue Pensa on telegraph road
Post by: herlock on January 03, 2015, 08:33:52 PM
That's why I put a double "??" to it.   As a question, not a bold statement ! :)
And why you hope he would skip it is beyong me..
Title: Re: Blue Pensa on telegraph road
Post by: ds1984 on January 03, 2015, 08:48:01 PM
I gave up, for years I hoped to be able to listen at least once in my life Mark performing TOL on stage instead of TR but since 2010 I do prefer listening him f..k up TR than TOL... And the treatment given to I Dug Up a Diamond compared to 2006 just confirm me in my position. I can die in without regrets to miss TOL or a Dire straits reunion (but not to too early I have still to attend EC this year at Albert's home!).

Title: Re: Blue Pensa on telegraph road
Post by: LoveExpresso on January 03, 2015, 09:25:52 PM
That's why I put a double "??" to it.   As a question, not a bold statement ! :)
And why you hope he would skip it is beyong me..

Oh, to be honest, I think it is getting worse and worse and I hardly can listen to it anymore. It's the same with Sultans, it is somewhat sad to hear him butcher what was once his signature and master piece. Plus I fear the usual  Marbletown/Speedway/Telegraph set which is 30 minutes of the set done with stuff that I have heard a million times. I would change almost any three songs against TR, just to fresh up things a little bit. I know of course that TR is very highly regarded from many AMITers, and some seem to judge all the other songs just rubbish as long as he plays TR, but we already have all those great versions from the better times. Sometimes it is better to put a song to rest. Just my opinion of course. I hardly listen to TR or Sultans from the 2013 recordings (but I admit I do not listen to any MK at the moment at all..)

LE
Title: Re: Blue Pensa on telegraph road
Post by: herlock on January 03, 2015, 09:36:41 PM
Sultans from Istanbul 2013 is great... Well I have always preferred the more loaded versions of the BIA tour to 4-piece ones, but still, this one is as good as 1979 ones !
As for TR although I much prefer the older 1996/2001/2005 ones, it is still magical to hear this masterpiece.   And 2013 had some very nice end solos (such as Saint Julien) albeit a bit short...
TR is a symbol ! The one of Mark on the cusp !
Title: Re: Blue Pensa on telegraph road
Post by: superval99 on January 04, 2015, 08:47:57 AM
This is my favourite TR from 2013 and I have listened to a great many of them - some are very good and some are rather poor.    St Julien was very good indeed, but I prefer this version.   I especially like the way he sings "I've run every red light on memory lane" and runs it into the next line.  It's the little things that excite me about MK!   I know TR will disappear from the setlist before too long, but I will miss it immensely - it's such a great song and on the night it can still be wonderful!   It's one of the last real crowd-pleasers left in the set, so I hope it stays!  ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOUV0Jn3_7s
Title: Re: Blue Pensa on telegraph road
Post by: Rolleyway Man on January 04, 2015, 01:06:18 PM
I think the MK D would be the wrong instrument for 'Telegraph Road'. With those two P90 pick-ups, it has the wrong sort of tone. And MK evidently prefers to use this guitar for more overdriven sounds, as we have heard on the live version of 'Kingdom of Gold' and the recent Last Post tribute. I think you need a more Strat-like tone for 'Telegraph Road' and for me, the MK II suits it perfectly. And I have to say I actually prefer the more recent versions of this song. Although there is less emphasis of MK's guitar part, with the continuing improvements in his voice it allows his vocal to be more prominent.
Title: Re: Blue Pensa on telegraph road
Post by: holaknopfler on January 04, 2015, 02:48:50 PM
I don't prefer the MK Sig tone either. It should be played on the Schecter. The MK sig is too mellow in my opinion. I miss that raw sound the Schecter has.
Title: Re: Blue Pensa on telegraph road
Post by: dmg on January 04, 2015, 02:55:59 PM
I don't prefer the MK Sig tone either. It should be played on the Schecter. The MK sig is too mellow in my opinion. I miss that raw sound the Schecter has.

Good call.
Title: Re: Blue Pensa on telegraph road
Post by: dmg on January 04, 2015, 03:01:11 PM
I think the MK D would be the wrong instrument for 'Telegraph Road'. With those two P90 pick-ups, it has the wrong sort of tone. And MK evidently prefers to use this guitar for more overdriven sounds, as we have heard on the live version of 'Kingdom of Gold' and the recent Last Post tribute. I think you need a more Strat-like tone for 'Telegraph Road' and for me, the MK II suits it perfectly. And I have to say I actually prefer the more recent versions of this song. Although there is less emphasis of MK's guitar part, with the continuing improvements in his voice it allows his vocal to be more prominent.

Improvements in his vocal?  Pity he "speaks" the lyrics now then instead of trying to sing them!  :)

Since his vocal isn't particularly talented (he's no Tom Jones e.g.) any improvements in clarity can actually be regarded as a degradation in his vocal because Mark's main vocal attribute was it's rough sounding character;  that's what made it so special.
Title: Re: Blue Pensa on telegraph road
Post by: superval99 on January 04, 2015, 03:10:40 PM
I think the MK D would be the wrong instrument for 'Telegraph Road'. With those two P90 pick-ups, it has the wrong sort of tone. And MK evidently prefers to use this guitar for more overdriven sounds, as we have heard on the live version of 'Kingdom of Gold' and the recent Last Post tribute. I think you need a more Strat-like tone for 'Telegraph Road' and for me, the MK II suits it perfectly. And I have to say I actually prefer the more recent versions of this song. Although there is less emphasis of MK's guitar part, with the continuing improvements in his voice it allows his vocal to be more prominent.

Improvements in his vocal?  Pity he "speaks" the lyrics now then instead of trying to sing them!  :)

Since his vocal isn't particularly talented (he's no Tom Jones e.g.) any improvements in clarity can actually be regarded as a degradation in his vocal because Mark's main vocal attribute was it's rough sounding character;  that's what made it so special.

I liked his voice when it was rough and I also like it now that it's smoother - he has always done the speaky/singy thing though, that was a major part of his style!  I would say his voice has improved a lot in the last few years and I like it that way.    :)
Title: Re: Blue Pensa on telegraph road
Post by: yontwocrows on January 04, 2015, 03:41:19 PM
I think the MK D would be the wrong instrument for 'Telegraph Road'. With those two P90 pick-ups, it has the wrong sort of tone. And MK evidently prefers to use this guitar for more overdriven sounds, as we have heard on the live version of 'Kingdom of Gold' and the recent Last Post tribute. I think you need a more Strat-like tone for 'Telegraph Road' and for me, the MK II suits it perfectly. And I have to say I actually prefer the more recent versions of this song. Although there is less emphasis of MK's guitar part, with the continuing improvements in his voice it allows his vocal to be more prominent.
I love the MK-D sound, but i think for TR you're right. I prefer also the schecter or the fender strat sound.
As for the song: TR is one of my favourite MK songs, still it would be ok, if he replaces it with a new song. But i change my attitude to all the songs quite often, depending on season, on mood, on listening frequency, and so on... so i'll take it as it comes
Title: Re: Blue Pensa on telegraph road
Post by: Throttle on January 04, 2015, 09:23:52 PM
...so I hope it stays!  ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOUV0Jn3_7s

Perfect specimen indeed, that moved me to tears.
 
superval99, I enjoy reading your posts, something inside me always responds to your words with a warm smile and sincere sympathy  :)
Title: Re: Blue Pensa on telegraph road
Post by: dmg on January 04, 2015, 10:19:20 PM
I think the MK D would be the wrong instrument for 'Telegraph Road'. With those two P90 pick-ups, it has the wrong sort of tone. And MK evidently prefers to use this guitar for more overdriven sounds, as we have heard on the live version of 'Kingdom of Gold' and the recent Last Post tribute. I think you need a more Strat-like tone for 'Telegraph Road' and for me, the MK II suits it perfectly. And I have to say I actually prefer the more recent versions of this song. Although there is less emphasis of MK's guitar part, with the continuing improvements in his voice it allows his vocal to be more prominent.

Improvements in his vocal?  Pity he "speaks" the lyrics now then instead of trying to sing them!  :)

Since his vocal isn't particularly talented (he's no Tom Jones e.g.) any improvements in clarity can actually be regarded as a degradation in his vocal because Mark's main vocal attribute was it's rough sounding character;  that's what made it so special.

I liked his voice when it was rough and I also like it now that it's smoother - he has always done the speaky/singy thing though, that was a major part of his style!  I would say his voice has improved a lot in the last few years and I like it that way.    :)

You're right in what you say but he doesn't even try to sing parts of TR now.  He talks his way through most, if not all of it to the point it's just embarrassing.  I still love it though and the final solos last tour were an improvement over 2010.  The shows need a song like this and he simply can't drop it from the set.
Title: Re: Blue Pensa on telegraph road
Post by: superval99 on January 05, 2015, 09:55:11 AM
I think the MK D would be the wrong instrument for 'Telegraph Road'. With those two P90 pick-ups, it has the wrong sort of tone. And MK evidently prefers to use this guitar for more overdriven sounds, as we have heard on the live version of 'Kingdom of Gold' and the recent Last Post tribute. I think you need a more Strat-like tone for 'Telegraph Road' and for me, the MK II suits it perfectly. And I have to say I actually prefer the more recent versions of this song. Although there is less emphasis of MK's guitar part, with the continuing improvements in his voice it allows his vocal to be more prominent.

Improvements in his vocal?  Pity he "speaks" the lyrics now then instead of trying to sing them!  :)

Since his vocal isn't particularly talented (he's no Tom Jones e.g.) any improvements in clarity can actually be regarded as a degradation in his vocal because Mark's main vocal attribute was it's rough sounding character;  that's what made it so special.

I liked his voice when it was rough and I also like it now that it's smoother - he has always done the speaky/singy thing though, that was a major part of his style!  I would say his voice has improved a lot in the last few years and I like it that way.    :)

You're right in what you say but he doesn't even try to sing parts of TR now.  He talks his way through most, if not all of it to the point it's just embarrassing.  I still love it though and the final solos last tour were an improvement over 2010.  The shows need a song like this and he simply can't drop it from the set.

Did you listen to the link I posted above?   MK's voice sounded pretty good to me, but I would be interested in your opinion on that particular version as a whole, please.   :)
Title: Re: Blue Pensa on telegraph road
Post by: superval99 on January 05, 2015, 10:35:58 AM

 
superval99, I enjoy reading your posts, something inside me always responds to your words with a warm smile and sincere sympathy  :)

Thanks Throttle!   The "sincere sympathy" part worries me a bit, though!    ;D
Title: Re: Blue Pensa on telegraph road
Post by: dmg on January 05, 2015, 05:00:46 PM


Did you listen to the link I posted above?   MK's voice sounded pretty good to me, but I would be interested in your opinion on that particular version as a whole, please.   :)
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Well, I was referring to his performances in general throughout the 2013 tour.  One cannot base a fair judgement on one single performance alone.  :)

P.S.  I'll gladly take the "sympathy" vote!
Title: Re: Blue Pensa on telegraph road
Post by: superval99 on January 05, 2015, 05:09:47 PM


Did you listen to the link I posted above?   MK's voice sounded pretty good to me, but I would be interested in your opinion on that particular version as a whole, please.   :)

Well, I was referring to his performances in general throughout the 2013 tour.  One cannot base a fair judgement on one single performance alone.  :)

P.S.  I'll gladly take the "sympathy" vote!
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dmg - You haven't answered my question yet!    I'm sure you must be a politician!    ::)
Title: Re: Blue Pensa on telegraph road
Post by: dmg on January 05, 2015, 07:38:53 PM


Did you listen to the link I posted above?   MK's voice sounded pretty good to me, but I would be interested in your opinion on that particular version as a whole, please.   :)

Well, I was referring to his performances in general throughout the 2013 tour.  One cannot base a fair judgement on one single performance alone.  :)

P.S.  I'll gladly take the "sympathy" vote!

dmg - You haven't answered my question yet!    I'm sure you must be a politician!    ::)
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I beg your pardon - that was impolite.  I have listened to it and think it was a very average version overall.  I did notice that he got a little tongue-tied with the lyrics at "rolling river" and I'm sure he sang "I've run every headlight on memory lane" as well!  Good final solo, as usual but not outstanding for the tour IMHO.

Politicians?  "Nothing is more surprising than the easiness with which the many are governed by the few."  - David Hume.
Title: Re: Blue Pensa on telegraph road
Post by: LoveExpresso on January 05, 2015, 07:57:40 PM
I am not a politician for sure (I wouldn't survive very long if I was one I am aware of that) - and I do not want to sound harsh, but I gave this Carcassonne version a listen and I must say it pretty much sums up everything that what I was talking about in my last post. 

LE
Title: Re: Blue Pensa on telegraph road
Post by: superval99 on January 05, 2015, 07:58:51 PM


Did you listen to the link I posted above?   MK's voice sounded pretty good to me, but I would be interested in your opinion on that particular version as a whole, please.   :)

Well, I was referring to his performances in general throughout the 2013 tour.  One cannot base a fair judgement on one single performance alone.  :)

P.S.  I'll gladly take the "sympathy" vote!

dmg - You haven't answered my question yet!    I'm sure you must be a politician!    ::)

I beg your pardon - that was impolite.  I have listened to it and think it was a very average version overall.  I did notice that he got a little tongue-tied with the lyrics at "rolling river" and I'm sure he sang "I've run every headlight on memory lane" as well!  Good final solo, as usual but not outstanding for the tour IMHO.

Politicians?  "Nothing is more surprising than the easiness with which the many are governed by the few."  - David Hume.
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My apologies if it seemed impolite - I'm sorry!    ;)     Yes, he did say "headlight", but it makes a change, doesn't it and I really liked the way he sang that line which was different to other versions.   :)
Title: Re: Blue Pensa on telegraph road
Post by: superval99 on January 05, 2015, 08:09:17 PM
I am not a politician for sure (I wouldn't survive very long if I was one I am aware of that) - and I do not want to sound harsh, but I gave this Carcassonne version a listen and I must say it pretty much sums up everything that what I was talking about in my last post. 

LE

I think it's great that we can all have such diverse opinions and of, course, that is a good thing, it would make for a very boring forum otherwise.    ;)
Title: Re: Blue Pensa on telegraph road
Post by: dmg on January 05, 2015, 11:34:55 PM

My apologies if it seemed impolite - I'm sorry!    ;)     Yes, he did say "headlight", but it makes a change, doesn't it and I really liked the way he sang that line which was different to other versions.   :)
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I think you may have misunderstood me.  I meant that it was impolite of me i.e. not to answer your question the first time of asking.  Never sure with these smiley faced emoticon things just what people mean sometimes!  ;D ::) :disbelief :hmm
Title: Re: Blue Pensa on telegraph road
Post by: superval99 on January 06, 2015, 10:05:48 AM

My apologies if it seemed impolite - I'm sorry!    ;)     Yes, he did say "headlight", but it makes a change, doesn't it and I really liked the way he sang that line which was different to other versions.   :)

I think you may have misunderstood me.  I meant that it was impolite of me i.e. not to answer your question the first time of asking.  Never sure with these smiley faced emoticon things just what people mean sometimes!  ;D ::) :disbelief :hmm
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LOL!    :lol     :wave
Title: Re: Blue Pensa on telegraph road
Post by: ds1984 on January 06, 2015, 04:12:16 PM
Funny thing when you start to read "he played that one well at that particular show" that mean that it is really time to drop it.

TR has less degradation in his playing than SOS, I did not analyse why but that is how it sounds to my ears. First signs for SOS were 2005 with some erratic soli in Rotterdam...

Title: Re: Blue Pensa on telegraph road
Post by: superval99 on January 06, 2015, 05:40:48 PM
Funny thing when you start to read "he played that one well at that particular show" that mean that it is really time to drop it.

TR has less degradation in his playing than SOS, I did not analyse why but that is how it sounds to my ears. First signs for SOS were 2005 with some erratic soli in Rotterdam...

In the olden days (before usb sticks and audience recordings) people went to a show and generally had a great experience, listening to music that sounded wonderful, then went home, felt euphoric and played their CDs to death to try to relive the concert.  I know I  did! 

That would probably still be the case, but these days we do have recordings and can hear the whole thing over and over again and have the time to scrutinise the performance -  wrong notes, timing not quite right, etc - have a post mortem in fact.   

Of course it's great to have usb sticks and audience recordings, but I do wonder if we nitpick over faults rather too much at the expense of the memory of a really enjoyable experience!   Most imperfections are not really that important or even noticeable when carried away by the general excitement of being there!   :)
Title: Re: Blue Pensa on telegraph road
Post by: Jules on January 06, 2015, 05:59:14 PM
Happy new year to all forumers !
asked Doc : "Hi Doc, New Year begins, let us pray that it will be a year with new peace, new happiness, god bless you through out the New Year, again, thank you for your time on the forum and for sharing so much informations with us. Can you tell us if Mark tried the blue pensa on Telegraph road just to see how it sounds ? I really love this gem and wondering if it will be the special guest of next tour. Happy new year."

answer : It has been tried

I hope it will for the next tour

Guy should had added "...and failed"

Mk tried the blue Pensa for last tour in rehearsals but it didn't work. Someone involved with the rehearsals told me.
Title: Re: Blue Pensa on telegraph road
Post by: jakehadlee on January 06, 2015, 08:27:43 PM
Funny thing when you start to read "he played that one well at that particular show" that mean that it is really time to drop it.

TR has less degradation in his playing than SOS, I did not analyse why but that is how it sounds to my ears. First signs for SOS were 2005 with some erratic soli in Rotterdam...

In the olden days (before usb sticks and audience recordings) people went to a show and generally had a great experience, listening to music that sounded wonderful, then went home, felt euphoric and played their CDs to death to try to relive the concert.  I know I  did! 

That would probably still be the case, but these days we do have recordings and can hear the whole thing over and over again and have the time to scrutinise the performance -  wrong notes, timing not quite right, etc - have a post mortem in fact.   

Of course it's great to have usb sticks and audience recordings, but I do wonder if we nitpick over faults rather too much at the expense of the memory of a really enjoyable experience!   Most imperfections are not really that important or even noticeable when carried away by the general excitement of being there!   :)

You are spot on  - he's not the player he was, but if you listen to any bootlegs from 1978-82 he made plenty of cock-ups then too. It's the nature of live rock music, even for the best.
Title: Re: Blue Pensa on telegraph road
Post by: jakehadlee on January 06, 2015, 08:48:30 PM
This is my favourite TR from 2013 and I have listened to a great many of them - some are very good and some are rather poor.    St Julien was very good indeed, but I prefer this version.   I especially like the way he sings "I've run every red light on memory lane" and runs it into the next line.  It's the little things that excite me about MK!   I know TR will disappear from the setlist before too long, but I will miss it immensely - it's such a great song and on the night it can still be wonderful!   It's one of the last real crowd-pleasers left in the set, so I hope it stays!  ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOUV0Jn3_7s

That's surprisingly good - his vocals are shot, but as an overall piece of music it may not be his best version but is a lot better than a good few live versions from the DS days - his playing is less flashy, but better than, what I've heard from the OES tour for instance.
Title: Re: Blue Pensa on telegraph road
Post by: Jarle on January 06, 2015, 09:37:53 PM
Funny thing when you start to read "he played that one well at that particular show" that mean that it is really time to drop it.

TR has less degradation in his playing than SOS, I did not analyse why but that is how it sounds to my ears. First signs for SOS were 2005 with some erratic soli in Rotterdam...

In the olden days (before usb sticks and audience recordings) people went to a show and generally had a great experience, listening to music that sounded wonderful, then went home, felt euphoric and played their CDs to death to try to relive the concert.  I know I  did! 

That would probably still be the case, but these days we do have recordings and can hear the whole thing over and over again and have the time to scrutinise the performance -  wrong notes, timing not quite right, etc - have a post mortem in fact.   

Of course it's great to have usb sticks and audience recordings, but I do wonder if we nitpick over faults rather too much at the expense of the memory of a really enjoyable experience!   Most imperfections are not really that important or even noticeable when carried away by the general excitement of being there!   :)

Good point! To be honest, I nearly never listen to any of those USB recordings. I don't think they sound good enough. Not because of what comes out of stage, but the sound seems to "clean" in a way. Hard to describe, but those recordings do not capture the atmosphere that you experience at the venue... Not that any live recording ever does...
Title: Re: Blue Pensa on telegraph road
Post by: Jules on January 06, 2015, 10:35:38 PM
Happy new year to all forumers !
asked Doc : "Hi Doc, New Year begins, let us pray that it will be a year with new peace, new happiness, god bless you through out the New Year, again, thank you for your time on the forum and for sharing so much informations with us. Can you tell us if Mark tried the blue pensa on Telegraph road just to see how it sounds ? I really love this gem and wondering if it will be the special guest of next tour. Happy new year."

answer : It has been tried

I hope it will for the next tour

Guy should had added "...and failed"

Mk tried the blue Pensa for last tour in rehearsals but it didn't work. Someone involved with the rehearsals told me.
Title: Re: Blue Pensa on telegraph road
Post by: dmg on January 06, 2015, 11:47:46 PM
Funny thing when you start to read "he played that one well at that particular show" that mean that it is really time to drop it.

TR has less degradation in his playing than SOS, I did not analyse why but that is how it sounds to my ears. First signs for SOS were 2005 with some erratic soli in Rotterdam...

In the olden days (before usb sticks and audience recordings) people went to a show and generally had a great experience, listening to music that sounded wonderful, then went home, felt euphoric and played their CDs to death to try to relive the concert.  I know I  did! 

That would probably still be the case, but these days we do have recordings and can hear the whole thing over and over again and have the time to scrutinise the performance -  wrong notes, timing not quite right, etc - have a post mortem in fact.   

Of course it's great to have usb sticks and audience recordings, but I do wonder if we nitpick over faults rather too much at the expense of the memory of a really enjoyable experience!   Most imperfections are not really that important or even noticeable when carried away by the general excitement of being there!   :)

Doesn't sound like you were a collector of olde worlde bootleg tapes over the years.  I have hundreds of concerts before the USB's became available along with many other on this forum I'm sure so I've been nitpicking for years!  ;D  In other words I know the degradation having listened to the same concerts over and over again.  :)
Title: Re: Blue Pensa on telegraph road
Post by: superval99 on January 07, 2015, 08:18:54 AM
Funny thing when you start to read "he played that one well at that particular show" that mean that it is really time to drop it.

TR has less degradation in his playing than SOS, I did not analyse why but that is how it sounds to my ears. First signs for SOS were 2005 with some erratic soli in Rotterdam...

In the olden days (before usb sticks and audience recordings) people went to a show and generally had a great experience, listening to music that sounded wonderful, then went home, felt euphoric and played their CDs to death to try to relive the concert.  I know I  did! 

That would probably still be the case, but these days we do have recordings and can hear the whole thing over and over again and have the time to scrutinise the performance -  wrong notes, timing not quite right, etc - have a post mortem in fact.   

Of course it's great to have usb sticks and audience recordings, but I do wonder if we nitpick over faults rather too much at the expense of the memory of a really enjoyable experience!   Most imperfections are not really that important or even noticeable when carried away by the general excitement of being there!   :)

Doesn't sound like you were a collector of olde worlde bootleg tapes over the years.  I have hundreds of concerts before the USB's became available along with many other on this forum I'm sure so I've been nitpicking for years!  ;D  In other words I know the degradation having listened to the same concerts over and over again.  :)

Why depress yourself comparing 1978, or whatever with now - it's futile!  Just enjoy what you hear on the night and leave it at that!    ;)   

I would never call myself a collector of old tapes, but I do have lots of old recordings going back to 1977/78 but I hardly ever listen to them - only when something is mentioned here and then I do, just for reference.  The truth is, I really enjoy the music that MK is making these days much more, with a few exceptions, of course.   However, I do love listening and watching  Alchemy, Rockpalast, Chorus  - those sort of things.  I agree with jakehadlee, he did make many mistakes in the early days, so he wasn't perfect, even then.    :)   

BTW When I said "olden days" I was thinking back further than 1977 - more like 1957 - seeing Paul Anka, Charlie Gracie, Bruce Chanelle  etc!   Bootleg tapes weren't around then - it was almost before gas & TV!  ;D

Here's an example of what I mean.    I was at the NHB Ronnie Scott's concert on 10th July 1998.  Sure, there were some mistakes in that show, but it didn't matter - we were all having a great time and enjoying ourselves - there was lots of repartee, good humour and, of course, great music!    Then when I heard the recording a few years ago for the first time, I was quite shocked to hear just how many mistakes there had been that I hadn't noticed at the time.    So, would it have been best to have just saved the memory of a  great evening in my head ?   ;)
Title: Re: Blue Pensa on telegraph road
Post by: dmg on January 07, 2015, 12:26:21 PM
I see what you're saying and agree with you SV but I can still analyse the recordings without beating myself up over the mistakes!  I just accept them and move on.

BTW I wouldn't say he made a whole lot more these days (if at all) but he doesn't take any risks in his playing or push himself which is quite sad.  His playing is also less accurate, which isn't really a mistake.  It appears quite clear to me that he doesn't enjoy playing nearly as much as he used to.
Title: Re: Blue Pensa on telegraph road
Post by: superval99 on January 07, 2015, 12:33:28 PM
  It appears quite clear to me that he doesn't enjoy playing nearly as much as he used to.

That's why his songwriting is changing more to fit in with his abilities these days and that's fine with me.  I don't want him to play things he is obviously uncomfortable playing.    :)
Title: Re: Blue Pensa on telegraph road
Post by: dmg on January 07, 2015, 02:58:06 PM
  It appears quite clear to me that he doesn't enjoy playing nearly as much as he used to.

That's why his songwriting is changing more to fit in with his abilities these days and that's fine with me.  I don't want him to play things he is obviously uncomfortable playing.    :)

Yet he keeps telling us himself that he's not a singer so he must be uncomfortable doing that too! 
Title: Re: Blue Pensa on telegraph road
Post by: superval99 on January 07, 2015, 03:04:36 PM
  It appears quite clear to me that he doesn't enjoy playing nearly as much as he used to.

That's why his songwriting is changing more to fit in with his abilities these days and that's fine with me.  I don't want him to play things he is obviously uncomfortable playing.    :)

Yet he keeps telling us himself that he's not a singer so he must be uncomfortable doing that too!

I love his voice, either singing or talking or singy-speaky!  His voice is probably just as important to me as his guitar-playing.  :)
Title: Re: Blue Pensa on telegraph road
Post by: ds1984 on January 07, 2015, 10:13:27 PM
Funny thing when you start to read "he played that one well at that particular show" that mean that it is really time to drop it.

TR has less degradation in his playing than SOS, I did not analyse why but that is how it sounds to my ears. First signs for SOS were 2005 with some erratic soli in Rotterdam...

In the olden days (before usb sticks and audience recordings) people went to a show and generally had a great experience, listening to music that sounded wonderful, then went home, felt euphoric and played their CDs to death to try to relive the concert.  I know I  did! 

That would probably still be the case, but these days we do have recordings and can hear the whole thing over and over again and have the time to scrutinise the performance -  wrong notes, timing not quite right, etc - have a post mortem in fact.   

Of course it's great to have usb sticks and audience recordings, but I do wonder if we nitpick over faults rather too much at the expense of the memory of a really enjoyable experience!   Most imperfections are not really that important or even noticeable when carried away by the general excitement of being there!   :)

That may be true for some people but be assured that the USB recordings are not part of my analyse.

When I speak about Rotterdam this is a show that had never been released on USB.
Moreover when Mark dig HFB in 2008 I found the soli great on the few occasion I could witness it (and Paris was a really STRONG version but others were all great nights).

In 2010 well it seems that the magic was gone, I remember night after night hoping for a good solo that night and from the RAH run I think Tuesday or Thursday was good but others were not on the level I was hoping for. And this feeling is live from attending the shows itself not listening afterwards on recordings.

Last, in 2013 I attended both Turin and Milan show so I heard SOS and well wasn't missing too much when dropped later on the tour. Dropping SAN on some shows was more an issue as his playing on that one ages merely good.



Title: Re: Blue Pensa on telegraph road
Post by: 3Strats on January 08, 2015, 08:20:10 AM
For a "fan site" I sometimes feel that as a group we are very critical.  as I approach 60 I find that my fingers are not as nimble as they used to be and that shows in my guitar playing. Although Guy has denied it in the past I'm sure that years of playing Sultans, TR & ToL (at breakneck speed) will have taken it's toll on Mark's fingers and as a result we don't get as many solos as we used to. There are some here who seem to expect what Mark may no longer be capable of providing & I think it's a bit unfair to be criticising him for something he may have no control over.   I also miss the more up-tempo (& longer) Sultans of the DS days, and prefer TR with an earlier switch to electric guitar, In fact I think Mark was at his best playing "rock music", but we get what we get and I'm happy that Mark is still touring & producing new albums. 
Title: Re: Blue Pensa on telegraph road
Post by: Jules on January 08, 2015, 09:43:52 AM
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Post by: superval99 on January 08, 2015, 10:04:55 AM
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Title: Re: Blue Pensa on telegraph road
Post by: superval99 on January 08, 2015, 11:46:40 AM
For a "fan site" I sometimes feel that as a group we are very critical.  as I approach 60 I find that my fingers are not as nimble as they used to be and that shows in my guitar playing. Although Guy has denied it in the past I'm sure that years of playing Sultans, TR & ToL (at breakneck speed) will have taken it's toll on Mark's fingers and as a result we don't get as many solos as we used to. There are some here who seem to expect what Mark may no longer be capable of providing & I think it's a bit unfair to be criticising him for something he may have no control over.   I also miss the more up-tempo (& longer) Sultans of the DS days, and prefer TR with an earlier switch to electric guitar, In fact I think Mark was at his best playing "rock music", but we get what we get and I'm happy that Mark is still touring & producing new albums.

Agree!     :thumbsup
Title: Re: Blue Pensa on telegraph road
Post by: superval99 on January 08, 2015, 12:08:38 PM
@ ds1984     I enjoyed all four of the concerts I attended in 2010.   HFB was just one of the many highlights and I still listen with pleasure.  It was one of my favourite tours, but maybe I was just lucky.    ;)
Title: Re: Blue Pensa on telegraph road
Post by: 3Strats on January 08, 2015, 05:56:53 PM
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