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Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Tobben on May 13, 2015, 04:52:12 PM

Title: Vince Gill with Dire Straits
Post by: Tobben on May 13, 2015, 04:52:12 PM
He is one of my favorite artists. When I heard that MK asked him to join DS for the OES tour, I was pretty sad knowing he turned it down. What a great guitar player and what a fine job he would have done playing second guitar for DS! Specially during the OES tour!

http://youtu.be/Stv3ugVFZD8

Anyone knows if they ever did play together at all?

Tobben
Title: Re: Vince Gill with Dire Straits
Post by: border_reiver on May 13, 2015, 06:06:10 PM
Does this count?

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMhpYWw3bUg
Title: Re: Vince Gill with Dire Straits
Post by: JF on May 14, 2015, 12:09:42 AM
What a great guitar player and what a fine job he would have done playing second guitar for DS! Specially during the OES tour!

No I think it would have been a "problem" to have 2 great and style-close guitarists in the same band imho

Vince Gill would have been a too much good challenger for Mark in songs like setting me up for example, and i think that Mark doesn't like that a band member "steals" the stage light, mainly during the OES era

in recent tours, he gaves opportunity to John and Glenn to be the "stars" during Marbletown but that's a different thing, ther are not  guitarists
in all tours including DS and solo career, the 2nd guitarist never had the chance to really exprime him self, except very few occasion (Jack in WWE, TYL,EL, PI, Hal in TYL, PI, lick in Sultans, RB on steel or Romeo in Boothbay, and few other examples..) so maybe Vince Gill knew that he would have been frustrated to be the "second" guitarist ?.... and that's why he declined:think
Title: Re: Vince Gill with Dire Straits
Post by: border_reiver on May 14, 2015, 12:29:08 AM
What a great guitar player and what a fine job he would have done playing second guitar for DS! Specially during the OES tour!

No I think it would have been a "problem" to have 2 great and style-close guitarists in the same band imho

Vince Gill would have been a too much good challenger for Mark in songs like setting me up for example, and i think that Mark doesn't like that a band member "steals" the stage light, mainly during the OES era

in recent tours, he gaves opportunity to John and Glenn to be the "stars" during Marbletown but that's a different thing, ther are not  guitarists
in all tours including DS and solo career, the 2nd guitarist never had the chance to really exprime him self, except very few occasion (Jack in WWE, TYL,EL, PI, Hal in TYL, PI, lick in Sultans, RB on steel or Romeo in Boothbay, and few other examples..) so maybe Vince Gill knew that he would have been frustrated to be the "second" guitarist ?.... and that's why he declined:think

How on earth did he cope with Clapton during Mandela then?  ;D
Title: Re: Vince Gill with Dire Straits
Post by: nababo on May 14, 2015, 04:04:18 PM
What a great guitar player and what a fine job he would have done playing second guitar for DS! Specially during the OES tour!

No I think it would have been a "problem" to have 2 great and style-close guitarists in the same band imho

Vince Gill would have been a too much good challenger for Mark in songs like setting me up for example, and i think that Mark doesn't like that a band member "steals" the stage light, mainly during the OES era

in recent tours, he gaves opportunity to John and Glenn to be the "stars" during Marbletown but that's a different thing, ther are not  guitarists
in all tours including DS and solo career, the 2nd guitarist never had the chance to really exprime him self, except very few occasion (Jack in WWE, TYL,EL, PI, Hal in TYL, PI, lick in Sultans, RB on steel or Romeo in Boothbay, and few other examples..) so maybe Vince Gill knew that he would have been frustrated to be the "second" guitarist ?.... and that's why he declined:think

How on earth did he cope with Clapton during Mandela then?  ;D

I'm thinking about MIke Henderson back in 2001. He had a very proeminent role all through the shows, didn't he?
Title: Re: Vince Gill with Dire Straits
Post by: Ar (aka Enlight) on May 15, 2015, 02:45:32 AM
Here Vince Gill explains why he did not joined DS during the OES tour:

https://youtu.be/sCloCqw-ZXw (https://youtu.be/sCloCqw-ZXw)
Title: Re: Vince Gill with Dire Straits
Post by: JF on May 15, 2015, 05:30:37 PM
How on earth did he cope with Clapton during Mandela then?  ;D

1) Mandela was a particular gig, not a complete tour
2) EC's style is not as close to Mark as Vince Gill is, and their two styles are more "complementary" while Gill and Mark would have been too much close imho
Title: Re: Vince Gill with Dire Straits
Post by: JF on May 15, 2015, 05:34:48 PM
I'm thinking about MIke Henderson back in 2001. He had a very proeminent role all through the shows, didn't he?

same as above. Mike Henderson doesn't play in the same register as Mark, so it worked

But Vince Gill plays a lot in finger-chicken-picking style.

it's like if Gill and Albert lee would have play together, I would find it a litlle bit redundant, while Albert Lee + EC is a good combination.

Eddie King from Lynyrd Skynyrd explianed this very well on his forum : if you want a "guitar army" in a band, you have to mix svereal tones, several styles
if all guitarists are playing in the same range, it doesn't work
Title: Re: Vince Gill with Dire Straits
Post by: dustyvalentino on May 16, 2015, 01:49:42 AM
Mike took the limelight in 2001 IMO.
Title: Re: Vince Gill with Dire Straits
Post by: border_reiver on May 17, 2015, 11:04:35 PM
Mike took the limelight in 2001 IMO.

Thing about Mike is that he's both a great guitar player and a goofball. It's hard not to notice such a guy.  :)
Title: Re: Vince Gill with Dire Straits
Post by: dustyvalentino on May 17, 2015, 11:11:12 PM
Was at the Albert Hall and right feom Calling Elvis I thought there was a good chance of MK getting shown up, not something I was used to.
Title: Re: Vince Gill with Dire Straits
Post by: superval99 on May 18, 2015, 08:13:05 AM
Mike Henderson was far too loud and brash for my taste and almost obliterated MK.   He ruined the show at the RAH for me!   Sorry, I didn't like his playing at all!   :(
Title: Re: Vince Gill with Dire Straits
Post by: Tobben on May 18, 2015, 02:41:56 PM
I still thinks Vince Gill would have done a great job for DS. Yes, he is a very VERY good guitar player, but he plays from his heart, and he also knows when not to play :)  I think that's the reason why Mark asked him in the first place. Knowing when not to play is one of the most important things to know when you play in a band. Leave room for space. I agree with a lot of you that Mike Handerson was to loud and brash for MKs style. Music is not a competition :)
Title: Re: Vince Gill with Dire Straits
Post by: Tobben on May 18, 2015, 02:43:44 PM
What a great guitar player and what a fine job he would have done playing second guitar for DS! Specially during the OES tour!

No I think it would have been a "problem" to have 2 great and style-close guitarists in the same band imho

Vince Gill would have been a too much good challenger for Mark in songs like setting me up for example, and i think that Mark doesn't like that a band member "steals" the stage light, mainly during the OES era

in recent tours, he gaves opportunity to John and Glenn to be the "stars" during Marbletown but that's a different thing, ther are not  guitarists
in all tours including DS and solo career, the 2nd guitarist never had the chance to really exprime him self, except very few occasion (Jack in WWE, TYL,EL, PI, Hal in TYL, PI, lick in Sultans, RB on steel or Romeo in Boothbay, and few other examples..) so maybe Vince Gill knew that he would have been frustrated to be the "second" guitarist ?.... and that's why he declined:think

Btw did you guys know that Vince Gill played Setting Me Up during the 2013 Crossroads festival together with Albert Lee and Keith Urban? :)
Title: Re: Vince Gill with Dire Straits
Post by: Pottel on May 18, 2015, 10:07:48 PM
loved Mike Henderson.
Title: Re: Vince Gill with Dire Straits
Post by: Vesper on May 19, 2015, 08:50:36 PM
What a great guitar player and what a fine job he would have done playing second guitar for DS! Specially during the OES tour!

No I think it would have been a "problem" to have 2 great and style-close guitarists in the same band imho

Vince Gill would have been a too much good challenger for Mark in songs like setting me up for example, and i think that Mark doesn't like that a band member "steals" the stage light, mainly during the OES era

in recent tours, he gaves opportunity to John and Glenn to be the "stars" during Marbletown but that's a different thing, ther are not  guitarists
in all tours including DS and solo career, the 2nd guitarist never had the chance to really exprime him self, except very few occasion (Jack in WWE, TYL,EL, PI, Hal in TYL, PI, lick in Sultans, RB on steel or Romeo in Boothbay, and few other examples..) so maybe Vince Gill knew that he would have been frustrated to be the "second" guitarist ?.... and that's why he declined:think

Btw did you guys know that Vince Gill played Setting Me Up during the 2013 Crossroads festival together with Albert Lee and Keith Urban? :)

Yes I did. Haven't seen any good footage of it :(
Title: Re: Vince Gill with Dire Straits
Post by: Tobben on May 20, 2015, 09:40:37 AM

Btw did you guys know that Vince Gill played Setting Me Up during the 2013 Crossroads festival together with Albert Lee and Keith Urban? :)

Yes I did. Haven't seen any good footage of it :(
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It was on YouTube in really bad quality, but now i can't find it. Even thou the quality was bad, it sounded AWESOME :)