Post by: JF on October 08, 2015, 10:45:03 PM
or will they play Redbud tree again?
Post by: Mossguitar on October 08, 2015, 11:03:00 PM
Post by: JF on October 09, 2015, 09:17:48 AM
I indeed heard some steel licks during the 1st part of the song, but as I couldn't see him, I thought it was samples played by Guy like on HFB for example
Post by: 11-54_Stringcheese on October 09, 2015, 10:03:07 AM
ah thanks. As I only saw the outro with him on guitar, I thought he didn't play steel on OES.
I indeed heard some steel licks during the 1st part of the song, but as I couldn't see him, I thought it was samples played by Guy like on HFB for example
Check this one out: If78wxmMnCU
Would be nice of Richard played pedal steel on the outro as well!
Post by: JF on October 11, 2015, 12:00:17 AM
Mark has a musician in his band who can play pedal steel, but he don't use him at 100%
ok I know that Richard has some other parts to play in those songs, but sometimes (well very often to be honest) I don't get Marks' logic (if only he has one...)
Post by: 11-54_Stringcheese on October 11, 2015, 07:13:12 AM
Post by: dustyvalentino on October 11, 2015, 02:30:22 PM
Post by: 11-54_Stringcheese on October 11, 2015, 02:50:45 PM
The sampled guitar on CBC is the worst for me, all these "world class" musicians and none of them can play it?
And *such* a hard part to play ...
Post by: JF on October 13, 2015, 07:57:13 AM
The sampled guitar on CBC is the worst for me, all these "world class" musicians and none of them can play it?
And *such* a hard part to play ...
I guess it's a thing that Mark did a lot : parts he played on the record and he doesn't want anybody else to play it live. A kind of ego issue imo. You know something like "I play this part, and noone else"
on many many songs, the "logic" would be one musciian playing one part and another playing another one, but almost all the time Mark play some of a part and some of another part.The best example is Romeo : the "logic" would be that he would play the National guitar part during the whole song, and another guyitarist would play the solo, but of course he want to play both.
examples :
- almost all ryhtm/riff parts in 77-79. the only one David was "allowed" to play was WWE, because they couldn't do differently
- Romeo : switching guitars to be able to play bith parts, but "technically" not necessarily as the outro could be played by the other guitarist
- in so far away : live, he wants to play both rhythm intro and lead riff, while they are 2 distinctly different parts in studio version. the "logic" would be that the 2nd guitarist would play the intro and then Mark would join in for the lead theme (it was done this way on the 2nd part of the song in Sydney 86), but now Mark play the intro and then the lead. Kind of "I am the chief" let me play all...
- the rhythm part on this is us : it's clearly missing on the live version, and Richard's acoustic doesn't fill the space
- there are others but doesn't come to mind right now...
(rare) exceptions (because they couldn't do differently) :
- lead part on love over gold played by Hal Lindes in 82-83
- end solo on Romeo played by Richard once at Boothbay
- Richard playing some "shy" licks on 1st part of Telegraph road since 2008
- lead licks by Richard on 5:15 am
- slide played by Richard on skydiver
Post by: 11-54_Stringcheese on October 13, 2015, 08:23:36 AM
I understand that he wants to play solo on Romeo and Juliet for instance. It's kind of his voice thing going on.
But that rhythm part on Corned Beef City? BRRRRRRRRRRRRR-ba baaa-ba-pa baaa-ba-pa baaa-ba-pa BRRRRRRRRRRRRR-ba baaa-ba-pa, etc.
Post by: border_reiver on October 13, 2015, 09:07:57 AM
"Please welcome to the stage Mr Moi Knopfler!"
I understand that he wants to play solo on Romeo and Juliet for instance. It's kind of his voice thing going on.
But that rhythm part on Corned Beef City? BRRRRRRRRRRRRR-ba baaa-ba-pa baaa-ba-pa baaa-ba-pa BRRRRRRRRRRRRR-ba baaa-ba-pa, etc.
Totally agree here. I've been debating this before.
In an uptempo rock song like CBC it's a mystery why he's got one mandolin, one acoustic and one (acoustic) archtop as the rhythm section. And his own licks sampled by Guy. To the ears of the audiences, Richard adds nothing to the song at all. It's just a wall of strumming. Richard should have been on his Tele.
Post by: JF on October 13, 2015, 10:41:00 PM
you know that kind of part that requires DAT thumb, and this part has the particular sound with wah and phaser in the style of industrial disease.
of course Richard could play it. But remember the soundcheck for silvertown blues in Munich 2001 : Richard played Mark's rhythm part. Most of the audience would not had heard the difference, but I am almost sure that Mark didn't want to play this song because Richard's rendition didn't totally convince him imho.
He is a perfectionnist and if it's not 100% exactly like he wants, well it doesn't happen.
Post by: TheTimeWasWrong on October 14, 2015, 12:02:52 AM
yes agree too, but this rhythm part on CBC has this typical Mark style, like on walk of life or this is us
you know that kind of part that requires DAT thumb, and this part has the particular sound with wah and phaser in the style of industrial disease.
of course Richard could play it. But remember the soundcheck for silvertown blues in Munich 2001 : Richard played Mark's rhythm part. Most of the audience would not had heard the difference, but I am almost sure that Mark didn't want to play this song because Richard's rendition didn't totally convince him imho.
He is a perfectionnist and if it's not 100% exactly like he wants, well it doesn't happen.
Exactly! I totally understand why the rhythm part is played by Guy. It looks easy, it sounds easy, but no one can play it, it's that simple. There is not one convincing cover on Youtube where somebody totally nails that rhythm thumb thing he does. It is incredible hard to copy, I say it's easier to play some of his most complicated solos than his rhythm stuff (Two Young Lovers, MFN, WOF, No Can Do, IUTC, etc.)
Post by: 11-54_Stringcheese on October 14, 2015, 12:56:03 AM
Post by: JF on October 14, 2015, 09:51:58 PM
say it's easier to play some of his most complicated solos than his rhythm stuff (Two Young Lovers, MFN, WOF, No Can Do, IUTC, etc.)
totally agree with this fact but the songs you quoted are not the best examples imo
to illustrate his amazing rhythm guitar work, I would have choosen these ones :
- setting me up
- in the gallery
- southbound again (both live and studio versions)
- Eastbound train (especially the demo version)
- Once upon a time in the west
- communique
- single handed sailor
- skateaway
- les boys
- one way gal
- Randy Newman 's money that matters
- Van Morisson's cleaning windows
- Bob Dylan's man of peace and Do Right to Me Baby (Do Unto Others)
and hardly any solo stuff, maybe no can do, boom like that, Sonny Liston, postcards, cleaning my gun or this is us, but that's all imho
Post by: 11-54_Stringcheese on October 14, 2015, 11:58:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A_saPPgRBQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXdts3FHs0A