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Title: Summer's Coming My Way (Full song)
Post by: superval99 on February 09, 2016, 05:16:35 PM
This is from a programme on Radio Leeds last Sunday, 7th February, called The People's History of Pop and one of the people interviewed was asked to join Mark's band when he was in Leeds.  They made a demo, some of which is played on the programme.  It starts around  10.30.   There is a short film of Dave, below the programme with the actual disc - it is under the title  "No Regrets"


http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03gtg99
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: knopfler1 on February 09, 2016, 06:57:53 PM
That was fantastic. A great listen!
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: MK-47 on February 09, 2016, 08:49:25 PM
Thank you very much, this is a great find!

The best part for me is when Dave says "C'mon Mark it doesn't happen that way, you don't just go to London and make it over night" and then "Sultans of Swing" kicks in - that's epic  :D
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: border_reiver on February 10, 2016, 01:30:27 AM
I remember seeing that disc being sold on Ebay many years ago - for an incredibly high price. If my memory serves me right, MK News was somehow involved. But don't take my word for it.

So there must be at least two.
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: MK_live on February 10, 2016, 07:25:35 AM
Did anyone save the pictures of that item on Ebay. Would be interesting to see it!
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: Jules on February 10, 2016, 09:17:47 AM
I think it was sold directly in MKNEWS, not in eBay.

In the video mentioned by Val you can see it
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: binone on February 10, 2016, 10:52:54 AM
There is a longer part of this song.

you can hear "Summer´s comming my way" here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03gtg99 from 14:40.

Mimmo Carrara has one of the 5 existing copies from this song. He explains how he got it here: http://knopfler.forumfree.it/?t=3440726
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: superval99 on February 10, 2016, 11:49:14 AM
There is a longer part of this song.

you can hear "Summer´s comming my way" here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03gtg99 from 14:40.

Mimmo Carrara has one of the 5 copys existing from this song. He explains how he got it here: http://knopfler.forumfree.it/?t=3440726

Dave from the band also has one, evidently!   ;)
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: Jules on February 10, 2016, 02:38:42 PM
Mimmo Carrata sent me a message about it that it's very interesting and wants to share the story with everyone, Grazie Mimmo!:

Dear AMIT members,
I am sending this message to my dear old friend Julio Bricio and he will be so kind to post it on the forum on my behalf.
 
The demo disc showed and played in the video by Mr. Dave Johnson is a real one.  5 demo discs were made, maybe 6, and I am the proud owner of one of them. My disc is very probably the disc originally belonged to Mark.
 
During the past years I have tracked down almost all the discs.
 
1) MY OWN DISC: I got it from Richard Kelly, at the time that the disc was recorded, Richard was a very very close friend of David Knopfler, and he was also a close friend of Mark.   Richard's sister Moira was very close to Mark.
Even if I knew since 1984 (when the Michael Oldfield book was released) about the existence of this demo disc, the first time that I had proof of someone really GOT it was when Richard Kelly was interviewed by Myles Palmer for his famous book.  When I read that in 1991, to find Richard Kelly became my target.  About 20 years ago I decided to take action, so I found Richard address and telephone number and I called Richard at home. Richard was a real gentleman and accepted to have a conversation with this crazy Italian collector who was calling him at home and saying something like "Good morning, are you the Richard Kelly who was an old friend of Mark Knopfler ?  Yes ?  OK, I am calling because I am interested in your disc Summer's coming my way".
Ahahahah... when you are so young you can do EVERYTHING with no shame !!!
 
Richard didn't want part with the disc at first, but after many months, some calls and some letters, at the end Richard agreed to sell me it.  Richard have had the disc from David Knopfler and kept it well stored for all those years. He says that it was probably the Mark's own disc.  The disc was still in its original white sleeve and the white label was immaculate without any handwritten on it. The day I got the disc in my hands it was the happiest day for me in my 34 years of collecting DS/MK stuffs since I started in 1982 when I was 14 years old.
Richard sent me, together with the disc, a treasure full of gems: long handwritten letters by Mark sent to Moira, even longer typewrittens letters typed by Mark on papers headed by The Yorkshire Evening Post (I assume that Mark wrote the letters when he was at work !), postcards, drawings made by Mark with comments, original cuttings of old local newspapers about a amazing young guitarist named Mark Knopfler, original private photos of the young Mark, a photo of Mark teaching at school, the Mark & Lourdes wedding party invitation, some old never seen before tickets of some of the earliest Dire Straits gigs played in 1977 and more and more and more.....
I couldn't believe to my eyes. I won't never stop thanking and blessing Richard Kelly for everything that he gave me.
 
I told Mark that I got the demo discs from Richard after a NHB concert at Ronnie Scott's in 1998: he smiled and said me that "the disc was a great thing and to take care of it" !   Epic memories !!!!
 
2) MARK KNOPFLER: the demo disc now in Mark's hands is the Steve Phillips' disc.  Steve Phillips told me this personally before a gig.  Steve told me that Mark couldn't find his own disc and asked Steve to gave him his disc. Steve gave Mark the disc.  I am pretty sure that Mark couldn't find his own disc because his own disc had been given to Richard Kelly (then he passed it to me as I have explained above).
 
3) DISC AUCTIONED BY MKNEWS (in 2001 if I remember well):  I made the highest bid and I bought the disc.  Then I passed it to another collector who was a great friend of me at that time.  The disc originally belonged to another person involved in the recording of the song.
 
4) DAVE JOHNSON: the disc that we can see in the video.  The handwrittens on the label that we can see on the video have been written in a second time, the label was completely blank at the origin.
 
5) Some year ago I was offered to buy another disc by a person living in Leeds, I was told that the disc belonged to a person involved in the recording of the song.  Noting happened because it seems that the owner changed his mind and so he decided to do not sell it.  Don't know if the story was true or false because I didn't see any actual photo of this disc of this person.
 
6) JEFF SADLER:  Richard Kelly told Myles Palmer that also Jeff Sadler got the disc, you can read it in the book.  Jeff was the closest Mark's friend.  I don't know if Jeff really got the disc or not.
 
So at the end, the demo discs are 5 or 6.
 
That's all folks, I hope you enjoy the reading.
 
A big thank you to my friend Julio, and many greetings to all of you: I am not registered on AMIT yet, but I read you every day since the first day.
 
Mimmo Carrata
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: junkiedoll on February 10, 2016, 03:01:45 PM
Thanks for posting! Great and interesting!  :thumbsup
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: superval99 on February 10, 2016, 04:13:32 PM
Many thanks Mimmo!   

BTW In the Myles Palmer biography, Richard Kelly says that the demo was recorded in a London studio, but Dave Johnson says it was recorded in Bramley, Leeds.   It seems most likely to have been Leeds, I think.    :think
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: Jules on February 10, 2016, 04:21:00 PM
In that book other character that I can not recall says it was recorded in Leeds. Also the mknews official biography.
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: wespresso on February 10, 2016, 06:43:21 PM
Ah finally we get to listen to this demo. I read about on Mark's wiki page a few years ago but I am glad to be able to listen to it now!
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: ds1984 on February 10, 2016, 07:36:04 PM
Great story  :wave



Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: MK_live on February 10, 2016, 08:01:13 PM
Great story indeed!  Does anyone know how to save the music from the link to your pc? Would be nice to be able to hear it again in the future, don't you think?
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: MK_live on February 10, 2016, 09:26:54 PM
Many thanks Pensaboy for the hint,  i will try to save the audio file this weekend.
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: Jules on February 10, 2016, 09:32:21 PM
A closer look...
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: dmg on February 10, 2016, 10:19:30 PM
The singer does not sound MK

Definitely not.  I take it he was "just" the guitarist in the band.

Thanks for the post. :thumbsup
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: shangri la 1 on February 11, 2016, 02:39:55 AM
Nice to see such early MK stuff being found & released by fans cheers all!
Summer's Coming My Way from the you tube clip

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/aqq45a2r2ondnoj/AAAVj5YQ3dZEzZ3ACvOPgeyva?dl=0
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: superval99 on February 11, 2016, 08:33:58 AM
The singer does not sound MK

I definitely think it's MK, but obviously his voice sounds much younger - he would have been about 21 yrs.   Dave Johnson, who was in the band, says Mark was the singer.   
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: Lis on February 11, 2016, 08:52:50 AM
GREAT thread!!  :D
Thanks so much for sharing this Val!  And thanks to Shangri la 1 for the link!  And thank you Mimmo for sharing such a wonderful story!!
 :clap :clap :clap
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: dmg on February 11, 2016, 12:10:25 PM
The singer does not sound MK

I definitely think it's MK, but obviously his voice sounds much younger - he would have been about 21 yrs.   Dave Johnson, who was in the band, says Mark was the singer.

I've been listening over and over, thinking of a 1978 picture of Mark but still can't imagine!  :lol
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: superval99 on February 11, 2016, 01:21:56 PM
The singer does not sound MK

I definitely think it's MK, but obviously his voice sounds much younger - he would have been about 21 yrs.   Dave Johnson, who was in the band, says Mark was the singer.

I've been listening over and over, thinking of a 1978 picture of Mark but still can't imagine!  :lol

Yes, but this was recorded in 1971 and if you compare it to his voice when he sang Chilly Winds with Sue Hercombe, it is not that dissimilar.   :)
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: superval99 on February 11, 2016, 02:40:27 PM
The picture says April 1970 and MK vocals yes but really doesn't sound like MK, not even 1 bit

It doesn't sound like the MK we know today, but neither does he sound like he did in 1978.  People's voices change over the years.   :)
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: superval99 on February 11, 2016, 02:55:26 PM
The picture says April 1970 and MK vocals yes but really doesn't sound like MK, not even 1 bit

It doesn't sound like the MK we know today, but neither does he sound like he did in 1978.  People's voices change over the years.   :)

Yes absolutely but from 15 to 22 it could change quite drastically. from almost 21 to 28 I don't see how it can be completely different.

....and from 28 to 67 it is very different too!    :)    Who do you think is singing then?    I would have thought those in the band would know best.   ;)
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: superval99 on February 11, 2016, 05:36:09 PM
Some new info directly from Mimmo

* The song is about 4 mins long

* He has another MK recording (alone singing with an acoustic) which is even older than this 1970 demo and the voice is the same
so he confirms it's MK singing

Thanks for the information!    It would be great to hear the acoustic version!     :)
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: Silvertown on February 11, 2016, 05:56:52 PM
Some new info directly from Mimmo

* The song is about 4 mins long

* He has another MK recording (alone singing with an acoustic) which is even older than this 1970 demo and the voice is the same
so he confirms it's MK singing

Thank you! Mimmo is worth of more than his weight of gold.
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: Fletch on February 11, 2016, 10:52:49 PM
The picture says April 1970 and MK vocals yes but really doesn't sound like MK, not even 1 bit

It doesn't sound like the MK we know today, but neither does he sound like he did in 1978.  People's voices change over the years.   :)

I still can't believe Dylan sings on Nashville Skyline!
and Thank You for such a great interview link Val, what a memory young Dave has! :)
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: JF on February 16, 2016, 01:38:38 PM
BTW In the Myles Palmer biography, Richard Kelly says that the demo was recorded in a London studio, but Dave Johnson says it was recorded in Bramley, Leeds.   It seems most likely to have been Leeds, I think.    :think

In that book other character that I can not recall says it was recorded in Leeds. Also the mknews official biography.

In the Oldfield Book David says it was in London, but maybe it's a mistake


btw great story, thanks to Mimmo ! and thanks to all for giving us the chance to listen to this piece of history

I am not surprised that the voice si so different, and I think it's Mark singing
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: Rkd on February 16, 2016, 04:49:35 PM
Although the voice doesn't seem as much like MK as we are used to hearing, for me the phrasing seemed spot on for him. Thanks for this great glimpse of an early MK.
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: Pottel on February 23, 2016, 08:48:10 PM
great story.
also honoured to read that Mimo reads our little forum regularly.
here's me hoping he will one day offer us a glimpse of some of those other treasures.
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: nababo on March 10, 2016, 07:25:42 PM
My question is, will we ever be fortunate enough to listen to the whole 4'00 long demo recording?
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: Pottel on March 10, 2016, 08:47:24 PM
the second pensa...
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: dmg on March 10, 2016, 08:47:33 PM
My question is, will we ever be fortunate enough to listen to the whole 4'00 long demo recording?

Would you prefer these 4mins or Telegraph Road without the final fade out ?

The latter.
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: JF on March 10, 2016, 10:45:22 PM
it depends on how much seconds there are just after the fade out

if you take the example of Sultans, the seconds revealed by the guitar hero track are not THAT worth imho
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: dmg on March 11, 2016, 12:41:52 PM
it depends on how much seconds there are just after the fade out

if you take the example of Sultans, the seconds revealed by the guitar hero track are not THAT worth imho

I agree, but I think it would still be more interesting to find out.  I only find Summer mildly of interest but nothing very exciting.
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: Dutchessy on March 11, 2016, 02:03:52 PM
My question is, will we ever be fortunate enough to listen to the whole 4'00 long demo recording?

Would you prefer these 4mins or Telegraph Road without the final fade out ?

Does it exist somewhere?
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: JF on March 11, 2016, 03:44:52 PM
Telegraph without the fade out is about 20 seconds longer, 14:37 overall

how do you know that ?
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: JF on March 11, 2016, 03:48:29 PM
it depends on how much seconds there are just after the fade out

if you take the example of Sultans, the seconds revealed by the guitar hero track are not THAT worth imho

I agree, but I think it would still be more interesting to find out.  I only find Summer mildly of interest but nothing very exciting.

I agree about the song itself, but it's a symbolic piece of history in Mark's life : his first "pro" studio recording (chilly winds being only an amateur demo I think)

and well, 20 more seconds of telegraph road, I am not sure what it would bring to us : we have plenty of live recordings of this solo, so....
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: dmg on March 11, 2016, 03:59:02 PM
Telegraph without the fade out is about 20 seconds longer, 14:37 overall

The final few "power chords" would last that long so there can't really be anything of interest.  As I recall, as it fades out there is no lead guitar anyway, mainly piano, so perhaps it concludes differently to how we know it today... :think

Maybe that's a contradiction then!
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: border_reiver on March 11, 2016, 04:43:15 PM
The acetates?
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: border_reiver on March 11, 2016, 05:11:30 PM
The acetates?

yes

So much for the magic huh?  ;)

Got them on mp3?  ;D
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: Dutchessy on March 11, 2016, 09:29:36 PM
I like to hear those 3 songs  ;)
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: Silvertown on March 12, 2016, 07:51:35 AM
I like to hear those 3 songs  ;)

Me too! And many others :)
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: Justme on March 12, 2016, 08:59:47 AM
Count me in, mate!  ;D
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: Vesper on March 12, 2016, 03:34:39 PM
I like to hear those 3 songs  ;)

+1
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: dmg on March 12, 2016, 04:02:35 PM
Would kill for those TOL alternate versions! ;)
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: holaknopfler on March 13, 2016, 02:45:28 PM
 :(
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: Jules on March 13, 2016, 04:25:54 PM
He doesn't have to share anything if he doesn't wants to. I respect any serious collector, and Mimmo is not only serious but very generous to at least let us know that this items exists. I wish I can hear that items of course, but I wouldn't like to hear them if I don't know they exist, and for me, to know that they exists, is really something big that I'm truly happy to know.

Gracie Mimmo, thanks a lot.
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: dmg on March 13, 2016, 07:51:49 PM
Private Investigations might be interesting.  With no intro it's "only" around 5:45 (as per MFN compilation or single version) and yet here it shows 7:07, a real extended version.
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: border_reiver on March 13, 2016, 11:59:24 PM
I respect people for their choices to do whatever they wish when it comes down to how you utilize things they've bought for their own earned money. That is the main rule. But respecting private ownership is one thing, judging them is another.

If I chose to buy a sportscar or a highly vintage single malt, then I can choose to experience these things fully on my own or with those I invite along.

However... the sportscar might someday end up in a junkyard and the bottle of whisky might one day be empty. They might also never be used at all but are there only for to look at, and not experience. Music is no such thing, it is (if well preserved on a sustainable format) an eternal experience. And, in contrast to the car and vintage malt, something that can be duplicated. This is the weakness, but let's separate mass industry from rarely heard gems.

So, it's all a matter of how you want to come across in the eyes of others. If you invented or bought a note with the cure for a disease, would you hold onto it just for the sake of feeling special and priviliged - or would you actually give a shit and let those in need share it with you? It's a drastic analogy but what good will it be on the day you leave this earth? You died feeling special in your own world meanwhile others remembers you in a whole nother perspective. And what if the record turns out to be unplayable in 30-40 years? Did it get a backup? So, if someone actually maybe made a digital backup it would be the world's most special USB-stick right?

You are a collector of music? Wow, that's fantastic... You can pat yourself on the back or let those who suck up to you pat it for you.

The person or persons who, for example, once got a hold of the Golden Demos and eventually decided to share these -  are they less special today? - do they walk this earth now feeling saddened they let a gem go in favor of all other fans? Rhetorical question, I'm just amazed that some collector didn't go into outer space to recover the golden record onboard the Voyager.
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: Jules on March 14, 2016, 01:10:22 PM
Good point, Border Reiver, it´s a very delicate situation, and that´s why I thank Mimmo to share some of that stuff he has.

For a collector, there are certain items that you got paying big amounts of money, or that you got dealing with the previous owners and you got them with an "advert" like "this is just for you, don´t share it or you won´t get anything else" etc etc etc. It´s complicate, but there are stuff that you cannot share with others for whatever the reasons, but you can talk about them. You have to decide if you keep that items just for you and nobody else will know they exists, or you can decide to share the existence of this items even you can not share them (let other people listen to them or have them).

I don´t mind the reason why someone who has those items can not, or doesn´t want to share them. It´s personnal, I can not force anyone to share anything if they don't can/want. I´m more than happy just knowing this items exist.

I´d love to listen to that special Tunnel Of Love version, but I´m happy to know they exist even I can not listen to it. I know that other people can't stand this and they rather don´t know about things they can not get their hands on. It's hard to know such a nice thing exist and you can't listen to it, but, you never know... we all know by the MK biographies that "Summer's Comming My Way" existed and then, many years later, one of the owners of it decides to show it in a radio and allow the fans to listen at least a portion of it.

But if we attack the owners of those items, the only thing we are going to achieve is that they decide not allow anyone to listen to it in the future, or to let others know that other fantastic items. For me is just a matter of basic respect. I more than open to let Mimmo to talk to me about millions of things that I am not to listen by whatever the reason. The simple fact that probably the biggest collector in the world about MK decides to share the knowledge of those items is more than enough for me.

Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: border_reiver on March 14, 2016, 02:38:17 PM
Good point, Border Reiver, it´s a very delicate situation, and that´s why I thank Mimmo to share some of that stuff he has.

For a collector, there are certain items that you got paying big amounts of money, or that you got dealing with the previous owners and you got them with an "advert" like "this is just for you, don´t share it or you won´t get anything else" etc etc etc. It´s complicate, but there are stuff that you cannot share with others for whatever the reasons, but you can talk about them. You have to decide if you keep that items just for you and nobody else will know they exists, or you can decide to share the existence of this items even you can not share them (let other people listen to them or have them).


See, this is what I never will get. Unless you are prohibited via a signed legal agreement not to "share", then what's stopping you? You still have the "special item" in your possession, right? This still makes you "special" because you are holding onto the physical thing containing the music. Music isn't something tangible, and this is the paradox. Collectors' items are being sold every year for high values (for an example just say The Beatles)... still most of this music have been heard in one way or the other and in some cases already released.

I don´t mind the reason why someone who has those items can not, or doesn´t want to share them. It´s personnal, I can not force anyone to share anything if they don't can/want. I´m more than happy just knowing this items exist.

I´d love to listen to that special Tunnel Of Love version, but I´m happy to know they exist even I can not listen to it. I know that other people can't stand this and they rather don´t know about things they can not get their hands on. It's hard to know such a nice thing exist and you can't listen to it, but, you never know... we all know by the MK biographies that "Summer's Comming My Way" existed and then, many years later, one of the owners of it decides to show it in a radio and allow the fans to listen at least a portion of it.


On this we agree, I don't lose much sleep over not having heard this (although I am thankful that BBC brought us small clips). I care about the more important things in life.

I hope that these things one day will see the light and a box set will be available for $79 or something like that. My point is, once the artist releases this stuff in hi-def format the values and the "specialness" drops vast levels. So uptil then it's all a matter of feeling a bit better than everybody else because your control and self-glorification plant needs constant nutrient.

But if we attack the owners of those items, the only thing we are going to achieve is that they decide not allow anyone to listen to it in the future, or to let others know that other fantastic items. For me is just a matter of basic respect. I more than open to let Mimmo to talk to me about millions of things that I am not to listen by whatever the reason. The simple fact that probably the biggest collector in the world about MK decides to share the knowledge of those items is more than enough for me.

If you feel like you are attacked for playing Uncle Scrooge then watch out for life itself, one fine day there are far more worse things coming your way. Better stay inside while basking in your own glory.  ;)

During the 2001 tour I taped one of the best sounding audience recordings from that tour. I held onto the MiniDisc for about one week before the fun of being the only one was over and I spread it worldwide like a sea cucumber in the ocean. See, my pride from this is knowing that I did something for other fans and not just for myself.
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: ds1984 on March 14, 2016, 11:16:31 PM
I am not certain that Mimmo is in an easy situation, he owns things that he has no copy or even performance rights over them.
That said, keeping these jewels unheard is also just somewhat plain shit. So an equation without real solution as Mark seems to have no interested in.
If only Bob could provide him some inspiration on that matter...
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: Fletch on March 15, 2016, 01:52:37 AM
Has anyone ever seen the violent arguments that occur amongst Queen fans regarding a (possibly unique) acetate of an unreleased studio song of theirs called Hangman ? (An interesting consensus to this is, from the many live versions performed, it`s not a very good song btw)
It would`t take much of a google to view some of the intense discussions they have, the difference to this one being that the owner of the acetate is happy to debate the situation. It certainly makes some people very very cross and to some extent I agree with pensaboy in thinking it is better not to even know these things exist :)
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: border_reiver on March 15, 2016, 11:55:17 AM
Just the other year we got the HT-demos officially released on vinyl. It can be done.

That day, when the 1% record collectors approaches MK and PCM saying: "Look, we've got this and that on tape or disc. We don't know if you still have them - we are willing at no charge (or for a reasonable fee to cover what they once gave)  to lend them - as there are amazing opportunities lying around for the sake of every fan. We ask you kindly to consider this for a future Record Store Day type of release."

That'll be the day those collectors will earn their proper respect. They will still possess the physical (still highly sought after) items and they did everything they could to make it official.
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: ds1984 on March 15, 2016, 01:19:02 PM
Just the other year we got the HT-demos officially released on vinyl. It can be done.

That day, when the 1% record collectors approaches MK and PCM saying: "Look, we've got this and that on tape or disc. We don't know if you still have them - we are willing at no charge (or for a reasonable fee to cover what they once gave)  to lend them - as there are amazing opportunities lying around for the sake of every fan. We ask you kindly to consider this for a future Record Store Day type of release."

That'll be the day those collectors will earn their proper respect. They will still possess the physical (still highly sought after) items and they did everything they could to make it official.

Don't forget to add Polygram who has exclusives rights.
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: border_reiver on March 15, 2016, 01:24:20 PM
Just the other year we got the HT-demos officially released on vinyl. It can be done.

That day, when the 1% record collectors approaches MK and PCM saying: "Look, we've got this and that on tape or disc. We don't know if you still have them - we are willing at no charge (or for a reasonable fee to cover what they once gave)  to lend them - as there are amazing opportunities lying around for the sake of every fan. We ask you kindly to consider this for a future Record Store Day type of release."

That'll be the day those collectors will earn their proper respect. They will still possess the physical (still highly sought after) items and they did everything they could to make it official.

Don't forget to add Polygram who has exclusives rights.

Yes you're right, but it was kind of the principle idea I was aiming for.
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: ds1984 on March 15, 2016, 01:24:45 PM
I am not certain that Mimmo is in an easy situation, he owns things that he has no copy or even performance rights over them.
That said, keeping these jewels unheard is also just somewhat plain shit. So an equation without real solution as Mark seems to have no interested in.
If only Bob could provide him some inspiration on that matter...

Spreading privately or publicly but anonymously are both very simple solutions

Sooner or later the source whould be known.
Don't forget that theses acetates are quite unique.
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: Jules on August 08, 2016, 08:43:58 AM
Something curious I just discovered about the "Summer´s Coming My Way" demo recording...

According to MKNEWS, it was recorded in Pudsey, Leeds, but according to Dave Johnson, it was recorded in Bramley.

There is one Bramley in the London area, and I recall that in some official sources years ago it was said that demo was recorded in London, until the Pudsey name came in the official biogs in MKNEWS.

I wonder which is the correct version. I know that the MKNEWS is the "official" one, but I guess that musicians that played on it are reliable source of it...

There is another Bramley in Leeds, but it looks like a different place than Pudsey...
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: superval99 on August 08, 2016, 09:47:36 AM
Something curious I just discovered about the "Summer´s Coming My Way" demo recording...

According to MKNEWS, it was recorded in Pudsey, Leeds, but according to Dave Johnson, it was recorded in Bramley.

There is one Bramley in the London area, and I recall that in some official sources years ago it was said that demo was recorded in London, until the Pudsey name came in the official biogs in MKNEWS.

I wonder which is the correct version. I know that the MKNEWS is the "official" one, but I guess that musicians that played on it are reliable source of it...

There is another Bramley in Leeds, but it looks like a different place than Pudsey...

Bramley/Pudsey are very close to each other in Leeds - 2.9 miles apart on opposite sides of the ring road.  I'm pretty sure it's Bramley in Leeds that Dave Johnson is referring to and not London.

Here is an article from BBC Leeds entitled  "Musical History"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/leeds/content/articles/2009/07/03/musical_history_paul_cardus_feature.shtml

Paragraph 7:

"We used to record crude acetates at a studio up in Bramley run by the father of Richard Harding from The Cresters, these were sent out to booking agents to spread the word and get more gigs."
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: quizzaciously on August 08, 2016, 09:54:34 AM
Something curious I just discovered about the "Summer´s Coming My Way" demo recording...

According to MKNEWS, it was recorded in Pudsey, Leeds, but according to Dave Johnson, it was recorded in Bramley.

There is one Bramley in the London area, and I recall that in some official sources years ago it was said that demo was recorded in London, until the Pudsey name came in the official biogs in MKNEWS.

I wonder which is the correct version. I know that the MKNEWS is the "official" one, but I guess that musicians that played on it are reliable source of it...

There is another Bramley in Leeds, but it looks like a different place than Pudsey...

Hey Jbaent, official MK staff can even slap the words "LIVE" on a playback recording without single blink of an eye, so I'd trust Dave Johnson.
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: Jules on August 08, 2016, 10:10:44 AM
 :smack :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

well, the youtube channel is run by a community manager so I don´t think that´s so reliable as an official biography that probably is approved by MK, or at least his management throught MK...

Maybe MK thought about Pudsey, or was Steve Phillips, but Dave Johnson recalls about Bramley, someone is confused, LOL
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: Dutchessy on April 08, 2019, 09:47:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6E0aA4e3GQ
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: quizzaciously on April 08, 2019, 09:50:47 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6E0aA4e3GQ

No way!
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: Dutchessy on April 08, 2019, 09:56:22 PM
Had it for some years, decided to upload now.
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: quizzaciously on April 08, 2019, 10:02:50 PM
Had it for some years, decided to upload now.

You are true hero, I wanted to hear this song for ages. I'm pretty sure thousands of people will say thanks to you.
Interestingly, the song is very good and sounds as if it easily could've been released today. It has true MK vibe! :clap
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: quizzaciously on April 08, 2019, 10:12:45 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6E0aA4e3GQ

Awwww, I can definitely hear some influence from Everly Brothers in this, especially Love Hurts and the chords going "trrum-trrum". Amazing :o :o :o
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: knopfler1 on April 08, 2019, 10:18:05 PM
Had it for some years, decided to upload now.

Thank you for sharing! Very kind!
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way (Full song)
Post by: skydiver on April 09, 2019, 05:53:26 AM
Thank you so much!!!
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way (Full song)
Post by: border_reiver on April 09, 2019, 08:06:10 AM
So cool! Thanks!
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way (Full song)
Post by: superval99 on April 09, 2019, 08:47:53 AM
A very pretty song!    :)
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way (Full song)
Post by: hunter on April 09, 2019, 10:22:56 AM
Thanks for sharing! Such a 60s feel to it. Reminds me a bit of Simon and Garfunkel, without the great vocals ha-ha . Strange to hear "young Mark". Is it me or does his Geordie accent come through much stronger here?
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way (Full song)
Post by: dmg on April 09, 2019, 11:07:40 AM
Thanks for sharing! Such a 60s feel to it. Reminds me a bit of Simon and Garfunkel, without the great vocals ha-ha . Strange to hear "young Mark". Is it me or does his Geordie accent come through much stronger here?

Would agree with most of this.  Very 60s with young naive vocals; can't say I notice his Geordie accent though.  Clearly Mark has come a long way from this kind of stuff though (most of the time).
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way (Full song)
Post by: superval99 on April 09, 2019, 11:18:25 AM
Listening to this song I can imagine Mark and his girlfriend in their flat in Cardigan Road, Leeds.  He, writing songs and singing them to her.  I can almost see the flies buzzing at the window on a sunny afternoon.  I  love the song - I just wish I could decipher more lyrics.   I can't imagine him singing the song with his mature voice, though, it is just very charming as it is with his young voice.   :)
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way (Full song)
Post by: JF on April 09, 2019, 03:07:51 PM
Many thanks Dutchessy !  :clap :clap :thumbsup
I shared it on my blog
a piece of history for us fans !
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way
Post by: kaleo74 on April 09, 2019, 09:20:33 PM
Had it for some years, decided to upload now.

 :clap :clap :clap thank you
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way (Full song)
Post by: vr46mk on April 09, 2019, 10:56:39 PM
Does anyone have it in original file/quality and not YouTube version and can send it?
Cheers
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way (Full song)
Post by: Dutchessy on April 09, 2019, 11:45:39 PM
Only the same quality as in youtube.
Title: Re: Summer's Coming My Way (Full song)
Post by: Dutchessy on April 11, 2019, 04:32:26 PM
It was already on Youtube, sinds 12 august 2017 (Mark's birthday)  :smack

It had only 98 views until now  :lol Nobody knew  ::)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdty2d28i34&