A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: dustyvalentino on June 18, 2009, 12:25:09 PM
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As many people may be aware there has been an ongoing discussion on GF's forum about downloading music, and in response to Val GF recently posted:
An everlasting debate, due in part by the lack of official live recordings. Hopefully we can remedy that soon.
On the one hand that says to me that they plan to release some official recordings, which is good.
However, i wouldn't be surprised if they ban fans from making their own recordings, which would be bad.
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To ban recording equipment is almost impossible. They are very small these days, so very easy to hide. But I really hope we will get some new releases of livestuff
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It sounds to me like they are considering recording concerts (like the crowfly days) and making them available for download maybe.
I don't for one minute think they will start going through archived recordings of stuff from the past. To me it is a response to the increasing amount of recording taking place of late.
If the official recordings are good then all is well - if they are not then it is 'as you were' :)
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To ban recording equipment is almost impossible. They are very small these days, so very easy to hide. But I really hope we will get some new releases of livestuff
True, but there's a difference between doing sneaky recordings and hoping you don't get caught and making recordings with the blessing of the artist.
Personally I'm always discreet in any case as you never know when you are going to come across an idiotic security guard who isn't aware of the act's views.
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As many people may be aware there has been an ongoing discussion on GF's forum about downloading music, and in response to Val GF recently posted:
An everlasting debate, due in part by the lack of official live recordings. Hopefully we can remedy that soon.
On the one hand that says to me that they plan to release some official recordings, which is good.
However, i wouldn't be surprised if they ban fans from making their own recordings, which would be bad.
When I read it on Guy forum I told to myself that maybe "Get lucky" will see an expanded edition featuring a bonus live CD from the 2008 tour as they did with the "SOS - The very best of DS" or TRD. Get lucky?
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The recording policy on MK News has been updated. It seems that (digital) SLR's are not allowed anymore. Audiorecordings are still allowed.
Regards,
Lars (B.)
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Digital Camera's are banned???!! :disbelief - seems this is venue specific - i sense more "heavy handed" security guards.
Traditional Digital camears seem to be OK - phew! :D
You can capture more content - both audio and visual with a modern phone such as an iphone than most digital camera's - i guess it would be a bit rich to ban mobile phones - but i bet they would want to if they could....!
Anyhoo - as PC says in his statement just take a copy of the policy with you to the show - im sure youll all have great pleasure waving the policy around in the face of some over zealous jobsworth door heavy!! ;D
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Digital Camera's are banned???!! :disbelief - seems this is venue specific - i sense more "heavy handed" security guards.
Traditional Digital camears seem to be OK - phew! :D
You can capture more content - both audio and visual with a modern phone such as an iphone than most digital camera's - i guess it would be a bit rich to ban mobile phones - but i bet they would want to if they could....!
Anyhoo - as PC says in his statement just take a copy of the policy with you to the show - im sure youll all have great pleasure waving the policy around in the face of some over zealous jobsworth door heavy!! ;D
As he is throwing you out on the street!
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Anyhoo - as PC says in his statement just take a copy of the policy with you to the show - im sure youll all have great pleasure waving the policy around in the face of some over zealous jobsworth door heavy!! ;D
EVERY attendant of EVERY Get Lucky-show should have a copy and wave with it during the whole concert - to show MK and PC that something is going
terribly wrong in this managements' direction - and I swear, if MK once more points towards a (paying!) member of the audience and yelling to the security to get him out of the venue or change lyrics accordingly, I stand up and leave the show also, taking my way alongside the stage and give HIM the bird.... :disbelief :disbelief
LE
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They can ban the audio recordings as well if you ask me, but then they should release every single show as a digital download.
Metallica already do it very successful. One day after the show you can download it from their HP.
MP3 USD 10 or FLAC USD 13 or somethin' for 130 mns full of music.
Very interesting for all MK shows as well. We got happy. The band too ;)
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Anyhoo - as PC says in his statement just take a copy of the policy with you to the show - im sure youll all have great pleasure waving the policy around in the face of some over zealous jobsworth door heavy!! ;D
EVERY attendant of EVERY Get Lucky-show should have a copy and wave with it during the whole concert - to show MK and PC that something is going
terribly wrong in this managements' direction - and I swear, if MK once more points towards a (paying!) member of the audience and yelling to the security to get him out of the venue or change lyrics accordingly, I stand up and leave the show also, taking my way alongside the stage and give HIM the bird.... :disbelief :disbelief
LE
Well said! It's the way I've been feeling for a long time now myself. This pointing out fans business is simply not on. It's bad manners, distances himself from the fans and it's unfair for the rest of the fans who are "behaving themselves" because at the end of the day we are paying to see MK perform.
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Is it not possible that these odd fans that get pointed out actually have tripods and pro recording equipment and are obviously spoiling it for the bona fide fans around them? Has anyone seen a fan evicted carrying only a small digital camera?
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Anyhoo - as PC says in his statement just take a copy of the policy with you to the show - im sure youll all have great pleasure waving the policy around in the face of some over zealous jobsworth door heavy!! ;D
EVERY attendant of EVERY Get Lucky-show should have a copy and wave with it during the whole concert - to show MK and PC that something is going
terribly wrong in this managements' direction - and I swear, if MK once more points towards a (paying!) member of the audience and yelling to the security to get him out of the venue or change lyrics accordingly, I stand up and leave the show also, taking my way alongside the stage and give HIM the bird.... :disbelief :disbelief
LE
Well said! It's the way I've been feeling for a long time now myself. This pointing out fans business is simply not on. It's bad manners, distances himself from the fans and it's unfair for the rest of the fans who are "behaving themselves" because at the end of the day we are paying to see MK perform.
What planet are you on? :disbelief
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What planet are you on? :disbelief
The Planet of New Orleans?
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I agree with it.
I hate it(I really do) when an artist behaves like that, changing lyrics when you`re playing.
Wondering what the other band members think of that. :(
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Is it not possible that these odd fans that get pointed out actually have tripods and pro recording equipment and are obviously spoiling it for the bona fide fans around them? Has anyone seen a fan evicted carrying only a small digital camera?
Very good point Simon. Before we start pointing fingers at MK, can anyone answer to what Simon pointed out ?
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What planet are you on? :disbelief
The Planet of New Orleans?
Don't think so... ;D
But I guess the right question is: what planet am I on? ;) A totally different one, obviously. I don't understand this discussion. (And it's probably my fault, not your's.) Isn't it as simple as this?: Photo and recording is illegal unless the artist says it's ok. And MK (the artist) doesn't think it's ok, so therefore it is illegal. In my book that makes the ones that break the law and go against the artist's will the ones with bad manners, not the artist. Then it makes sence that MK behave in that way most of you criticize. He is the owner of all the rights to the show he is presenting.
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What planet are you on? :disbelief
The Planet of New Orleans?
Don't think so... ;D
But I guess the right question is: what planet am I on? ;) A totally different one, obviously. I don't understand this discussion. (And it's probably my fault, not your's.) Isn't it as simple as this?: Photo and recording is illegal unless the artist says it's ok. And MK (the artist) doesn't think it's ok, so therefore it is illegal. In my book that makes the ones that break the law and go against the artist's will the ones with bad manners, not the artist. Then it makes sence that MK behave in that way most of you criticize. He is the owner of all the rights to the show he is presenting.
Two wrong's don't make a right though and it IS unfair on the audience members who are doing nothing wrong.
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Whilst MK is looking for cameras and pointing out people, he cannot have his mind totally on the music, which is the reason we are there, so in that sense it is unfair to the audience. I hope there will be no reason for it to happen on this tour, because it is very unsettling and embarrassing and doesn't create the best atmosphere. :-\
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As I said in another post he did it at the last gig in 2008 I went to whilst using potty language. It was pretty low to witness and ruined the concert for me. I did pass this on to Guy Fletcher and he said thanks for pointing it out.
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I agree with it.
I hate it(I really do) when an artist behaves like that, changing lyrics when you`re playing.
Wondering what the other band members think of that. :(
Hi can you elaborate on the changing lyrics aspect? Thanks
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What planet are you on? :disbelief
The Planet of New Orleans?
Don't think so... ;D
But I guess the right question is: what planet am I on? ;) A totally different one, obviously. I don't understand this discussion. (And it's probably my fault, not your's.) Isn't it as simple as this?: Photo and recording is illegal unless the artist says it's ok. And MK (the artist) doesn't think it's ok, so therefore it is illegal. In my book that makes the ones that break the law and go against the artist's will the ones with bad manners, not the artist. Then it makes sence that MK behave in that way most of you criticize. He is the owner of all the rights to the show he is presenting.
Have to say I agree with you totally, Mossguitar. People are criticising Mark for not respecting his fans, but seem to think it's OK for fans to disrespect Mark by ignoring HIS recording policy.
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What planet are you on? :disbelief
The Planet of New Orleans?
Don't think so... ;D
But I guess the right question is: what planet am I on? ;) A totally different one, obviously. I don't understand this discussion. (And it's probably my fault, not your's.) Isn't it as simple as this?: Photo and recording is illegal unless the artist says it's ok. And MK (the artist) doesn't think it's ok, so therefore it is illegal. In my book that makes the ones that break the law and go against the artist's will the ones with bad manners, not the artist. Then it makes sence that MK behave in that way most of you criticize. He is the owner of all the rights to the show he is presenting.
Have to say I agree with you totally, Mossguitar. People are criticising Mark for not respecting his fans, but seem to think it's OK for fans to disrespect Mark by ignoring HIS recording policy.
Agree with that!
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I am very embarassed on the matter.
Because there are many reocrdings gem that have been made by fan against the policy of the artist.
Once again I will point out that David Gilmour does not authorize fan filming at his shows but he used fan footage in a Pink Floyd DVD. So sometimes even the artist is in contradiction with his own policy.
Some artists react more or less violently in front of fan breaking their law (Axl Rose is among the one to top the scale by turning a GNR show in St Louis into a general riot).
On the other hand we should respect the wish of the artist and in Mark's case something very upseting should have happened to make him change his view and react like that.
Things are not totally black and white.
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Maybe there is a live album in the offing and that is what they are getting touchy about!
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The thing that annoys me is that I don't think that MK would like to be treated in such a manner himself and at the end of the day he is a guest of the venue and as such has no authority to throw anyone out. It's like going to a party and getting told to leave by another guest!
These displays are an extremely upsetting aspect of the last tour for me and I sincerely hope they do not make a return visit for the forthcoming one. :(
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Maybe there is a live album in the offing and that is what they are getting touchy about!
We are still waiting for the 2008 recordings...
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It's pretty clear and simple: allowed audio/video taping is a privilege, not a right.