A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: ybot on October 10, 2017, 02:58:37 PM
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Ride across the river
Once upon the time in the west
Calling elvis
Down to the waterline
What are the others left?
My choice is "ride across"
There were many magnific live gigs: american tour, israel, and sidney
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I would agree with your list and add another two:
Ride Across the River
Once Upon the Time in the West
Calling Elvis
Down to the Waterline
Darling Pretty
Border Reiver
Probably choose RATR overall too. Too many great versions to choose from.
Atlanta
Milwaukee
Edinburgh 29.12.85 (really long version)
NYC 03.10.85
Toronto 28.07.85
San Antonio
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Ride across the river
Once upon the time in the west
Calling elvis
Down to the waterline
What are the others left?
My choice is "ride across"
There were many magnific live gigs: american tour, israel, and sidney
A bit mad that in about 15 years of Dire Straits there were only ever four opening songs. With the exception of charity shows . WoL was a good opener
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I'm pretty sure this topic has been discussed many times before, but anyway :think
It's really hard to beat "Border Reiver" as an opener both for tour and an album.
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I'll never forget hearing those snippets of Border Reiver before the release.
It is the perfect opener for the album and for a show indeed.
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Not being overally fussed on the straits stuff, what it is is the best opener for me, wasnt really fussed about border reiver , wye aye man 2005 was also quiet fun
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I would agree with your list and add another two:
Ride Across the River
Once Upon the Time in the West
Calling Elvis
Down to the Waterline
Darling Pretty
Border Reiver
Probably choose RATR overall too. Too many great versions to choose from.
Atlanta
Milwaukee
Edinburgh 29.12.85 (really long version)
NYC 03.10.85
Toronto 28.07.85
San Antonio
I couldn´t find edinburgh version
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I would agree with your list and add another two:
Ride Across the River
Once Upon the Time in the West
Calling Elvis
Down to the Waterline
Darling Pretty
Border Reiver
Probably choose RATR overall too. Too many great versions to choose from.
Atlanta
Milwaukee
Edinburgh 29.12.85 (really long version)
NYC 03.10.85
Toronto 28.07.85
San Antonio
I couldn´t find edinburgh version
It was on the Tracker I'm sure. Perhaps no seeders.
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"Once Upon A Time In The West" without any doubt...!
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Calling Elvis. I'll never forget it. Mark walking onto the stage, blue shirt on, the Les Paul shining through... and Calling Elvis. First time I saw him live. Nothing can beat it.
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When was it? By 2001. Because he played the Pensa-suhr for this song.
@crimmer: yes WOL at mandela was one their best gigs. I believe they applied the same arrangement as Sidney 86.
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When was it? By 2001. Because he played the Pensa-suhr for this song.
@crimmer: yes WOL at mandela was one their best gigs. I believe they applied the same arrangement as Sidney 86.
2001, STP Tour!
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He opened his STP tour with Calling Elvis too in Argentina.
I believe DS gigs were much better than Mark's
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I would agree with your list and add another two:
Ride Across the River
Once Upon the Time in the West
Calling Elvis
Down to the Waterline
Darling Pretty
Border Reiver
Probably choose RATR overall too. Too many great versions to choose from.
Atlanta
Milwaukee
Edinburgh 29.12.85 (really long version)
NYC 03.10.85
Toronto 28.07.85
San Antonio
I couldn´t find edinburgh version
It was on the Tracker I'm sure. Perhaps no seeders.
Try here:
http://gofile.me/2JQAW/8PjV13s6M
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I cannot open it
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I cannot open it
Try this:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4poKRHuJ2wiYUlxX1FUOFJ3WVE
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Nice Binone!
this is not in any youtube
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When was it? By 2001. Because he played the Pensa-suhr for this song.
@crimmer: yes WOL at mandela was one their best gigs. I believe they applied the same arrangement as Sidney 86.
Calling Elvis was played on the LP in 96 and during NHB shows too
WOL at Mandela is my fav one, and not exactly same arrangements as 86 : nothing can't beat EC's solos !
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EC solos at WOL were nice, I wonder why Jack sonny never made an attemp to play a solo at WOL too at BIA tour.
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EC solos at WOL were nice, I wonder why Jack sonny never made an attemp to play a solo at WOL too at BIA tour.
MK didn’t let him.
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EC solos at WOL were nice, I wonder why Jack sonny never made an attemp to play a solo at WOL too at BIA tour.
Well, maybe because Jack is no Eric if you know what I mean lol
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EC solos at WOL were nice, I wonder why Jack sonny never made an attemp to play a solo at WOL too at BIA tour.
Well, maybe because Jack is no Eric if you know what I mean lol
+1000 :thumbsup
Jack's solos on WWE, expresso love & solid rock (sydney) weren't much tasteful imho, not in the same vein as EC obviously
his noodling on the TYL intro in Sydney is cool, but nothing exceptionnal
EC...well that's another story
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best openers for me :
- Stargazer / Once upon a time in the west
- Ride across the river. I like that the stage is dark during the flute intro and then jump into light with all the band comes in. (same as the curtain in 91/92)
- Border Riever, but I think that it would have been better if Mark would have come to the stage after the flute intro, just before the drums comes in, but I know that Mark is no more into this
interesting to notice that Once upon a time in the west is the only one which was the opener for 2 following tours.
I don't count 78 et 79 as 2 real differents tours, they are almost the same tour for me.
And I know that WII was opener in 2011 and 2013, but 2011 wasn't really a MK tour anyway
the other song that opened 2 different tours is Calling Elvis, but they weren't following
and I like very much how Walk of life opened the Mandela gig : far better than any other version
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I cannot open it
Try this:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4poKRHuJ2wiYUlxX1FUOFJ3WVE
Thank you for this! The routine level of the band was very high at those times. Great memories!
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EC solos at WOL were nice, I wonder why Jack sonny never made an attemp to play a solo at WOL too at BIA tour.
If you listen to very early versions of MFN you'll hear Jack playing a small solo. It was seemingly deemed inappropriate and banned by about the end of June.
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My vote is for Border Reiver. Most powerful opener during the solo career. In 2010 some shows had BR-WAM-WII. What a powerful celtic punch to the gut!
Or Cannibals. But only because I have a soft spot for cajun music. :)
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My vote is for Border Reiver. Most powerful opener during the solo career. In 2010 some shows had BR-WAM-WII. What a powerful celtic punch to the gut!
Or Cannibals. But only because I have a soft spot for cajun music. :)
DP is surely more powerful than BR, no? That thick, distorted LP packs more punch than some whistles!
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Live BR has a much faster tempo than DP and that's why it's better imo. But for me WII is the best opener ever in his solo career. I think it's his best solo song actually as well.
From the DS days I would say RATR was the strongest opener but my favorite is DTTW from the early days.
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If I were to choose Mark's three opening songs now those would be What it Is, Why Aye Man and Boom Like That.
When I was in a classic rock cover band a few centuries ago we used to open our gigs with MFN and that was always like dropping a bomb, people would go nuts.
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I loved Border Reiver best from all his openingsongs in his solo career
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Border Reiver for me! WII is a good one too.
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Somehow I like most when in the begining of the show band starts to play and then Mark shows up to the stage and starts playing, like in songs Calling Elvis and Why Aye Man. However, every song as a opening song has been good and worked as a starter (except Broken Bones, which did not work like it was supposed to).
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Somehow I like most when in the begining of the show band starts to play and then Mark shows up to the stage and starts playing, like in songs Calling Elvis and Why Aye Man. However, every song as a opening song has been good and worked as a starter (except Broken Bones, which did not work like it was supposed to).
I like that too. They can do it with pretty much any song though, it's just a matter of rearranging the intro if that's the case. Not Broken Bones, I agree lol
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Eventhough Mark is almost everything os DS we can see huge differences between DS openings and MK ones.
Let alone Mark is older.
Alan Clark, John and the other staff from DS played better than nowadays Mark's band.
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Eventhough Mark is almost everything os DS we can see huge differences between DS openings and MK ones.
Let alone Mark is older.
Alan Clark, John and the other staff from DS played better than nowadays Mark's band.
I don't agree at all. Glenn is far superior to John in terms of bass playing, the guy is a genius. Alan may be better than Jim, Guy and even Matt when it comes to DS stuff but he wouldn't suit Mark's current vibe.
In fact many people in the music industry claim Mark's band is the best one in the business. In my opinion Guy is the only one that may not blend in with the other blokes - and I don't say that because of his forum, just to make it clear :lol :lol :lol
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We may see many opennings: at LOG ALCHEMY BIA and OES tours, and Mandela .
I agree Mark´s band is very good.
I miss 80s energy
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We may see many opennings: at LOG ALCHEMY BIA and OES tours, and Mandela .
I agree Mark´s band is very good.
I miss 80s energy
I agree with you on that one, I miss that energy and enthusiasm as well. But Mark's older now, that's the way it is :-[
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My vote is for Border Reiver. Most powerful opener during the solo career. In 2010 some shows had BR-WAM-WII. What a powerful celtic punch to the gut!
Or Cannibals. But only because I have a soft spot for cajun music. :)
DP is surely more powerful than BR, no? That thick, distorted LP packs more punch than some whistles!
Valid point of course, but it's the tempo in BR I like and meant by powerful. It's like a locomotive. :)
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I loved What It Is. Sadly, I never saw/heard Border Reiver or Why Aye Man. :'(
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Loved them all across the decades but my DS favorite is Once Upon A Time. For MK solo period I pick Border Reiver. However, LAJADAS would be a clear winner had MK decided to go with it on the last tour. When I first heard Tracker I immediately thought this would be the perfect concert opener. It has all necessary ingredients: a quiet drum /bass intro with a few teasing tasty guitar licks that could be played from behind the curtain (or still in the blackout) and then all the band joins in for the grand opening. Good tempo, not too quick not too slow, nice opportunities to show off and improvise, could go on forever like RATR or Calling Elvis did in the past. I don't know why they didn't go with it. It was a no-brainer. Lost opportunity. Unless they open with it on the next tour, that is.
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Took me a while to figure out what lajadas was :lol
Maybe some Spanish town I don’t know or a Mexican drink?
I got it in the end though :lol
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However, LAJADAS would be a clear winner had MK decided to go with it on the last tour. When I first heard Tracker I immediately thought this would be the perfect concert opener.
Right after the Tracker release I (almost) don't think I've ever seen so many members here and other fans in general agreeing and uniting on something so strongly.
That is to say, how perfect LAJADAS would be as an opener.
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Took me a while to figure out what lajadas was :lol
Maybe some Spanish town I don’t know or a Mexican drink?
But at least you were close to 25% correct, for a while :D
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Took me a while to figure out what lajadas was :lol
Maybe some Spanish town I don’t know or a Mexican drink?
But at least you were close to 25% correct, for a while :D
Still haven’t figured this one out ??? :lol
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Took me a while to figure out what lajadas was :lol
Maybe some Spanish town I don’t know or a Mexican drink?
But at least you were close to 25% correct, for a while :D
Still haven’t figured this one out ??? :lol
Laughs/Jokes/Drinks/Smokes :)
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That one I got. The 25% joke not so much haha
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Broken Bones is the best concert opener I've ever heard in my entire life!
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Broken Bones is the best concert opener I've ever heard in my entire life!
And 99% of the audience aren't interested in hearing Sultans at all! :lol
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Broken Bones is the best concert opener I've ever heard in my entire life!
And 99% of the audience aren't interested in hearing Sultans at all! :lol
Just like how every crowd went wild when the built up intro to Skydiver was over and the verse started.
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Broken Bones is the best concert opener I've ever heard in my entire life!
And 99% of the audience aren't interested in hearing Sultans at all! :lol
Just like how every crowd went wild when the built up intro to Skydiver was over and the verse started.
:lol
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There were some "interesting" set list choices from MK on the Tracker tour. Apart from the whole set list stagnation issue which has plagued the last 5 or so tours, who wants to hear some of the mediocre near B-Sides which were picked....Broken Bones isn't an opener no matter which way you dress it up...one little gem was Mighty Man...love a bit of live slide.
TBH I'm not sure any complaints about set list is going to have much of an effect as MK has been rolling out the same tunes tour after tour as we all know, but it seems the audience is happy with the same songs each tour. Perhaps the majority of MK's audience dip in and out and like hearing the "sign-posts" being recycled each time.
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He must be able to sing it live. He must be able to remember the lyrics. He must be able to play the guitar parts and do it parallel with the vocal parts. He wants to have fun with it, it should not be too hard work for him.
Then, each band member must be featured especially. You could find another song for Mike playing Pipes, but would that one fit with Mark? Jim is soloing on CBC and IUTC. He could also play on other songs, but would they also be fast and "rocking" enough for the set?
Guitar endorsement is important, too. For example, there are Martin songs needed like Marbletown.. and as this one features Glen and John at the same time, it will stay in the set forever. So building a set list that considers all this is not that easy. Plus guitar changes have to be considered, too. He needs more slide guitar songs these days as he isn' t able to pick for two hours anymore.. and so on and so on...
Mark is the opposite of spontaneous. He is full of energy when it comes to tour and doing it all, but I guess you could call him sort of lazy in learn, rehearse and remember older stuff again. He has to find Dire Straits classics he is still able to cope with on the guitar and feature the current band at he same time. So it is nothing short of a wonder to get a proper set list at an MK concert... ;D
LE
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I agree with LE, many things are considered when choosing songs to put on a setlist. However, there's one song in particular that I'll never understand why Mark never picked: So Far From the Clyde. It has everything! Beautiful song, plenty of room for the folk blokes to shine, guitar parts are stunning and easy to play... does anyone know why he never played that one?
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To me it seems there is a cut that happened in 2011 while rehearsing for the Dylan tour. He seemed to be so happy with Ianto new and Jim back in the band that he has totally lost interest in stuff recorded before. Apart from some rare Piper To The End rendition he never returns to Get Lucky or the other "Danny-recorded" stuff from Kill To Get Crimson. Our Shangri-La was chosen back in the set because Jim had been at the recordings back in 2005... pretty sure about this even if it sounds like conspiracy stuff! ;D
LE
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I agree with LE, many things are considered when choosing songs to put on a setlist. However, there's one song in particular that I'll never understand why Mark never picked: So Far From the Clyde. It has everything! Beautiful song, plenty of room for the folk blokes to shine, guitar parts are stunning and easy to play... does anyone know why he never played that one?
Pretty sure because it sounds almost like "Piper To The End", which got played.
Good thoughts on the setlist from LE, only wish MK would be less lazy in that respect. I can't truly believe in the fact that even the same old jokes comes out MK's mouth without a trace of farce and tiredness. Come on, me and Richard, seriously? I know many people repeat same jokes over and over, because it works (like Tommy Emmanuel who almost always would "rattle" his collaborator tuning pegs on stage). I also wish Mark's shows would be longer, because you can put more songs in a longer show anyway. But as a realist I know what kind of artist I'm a fan of...
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How much the set lists might have been worth being criticised, they always work pretty well. At least they did until 2015. Dublin 2015 was the first time I really thought much too long and really boring. Vaison 1996 had the perfect set list on many levels, perfect mix of old and new, short and long, fast and slow, surprises and jamming and stuff. Nearly 2h20m if I remember correctly. Apart from Walk of Life and Rudiger in 2005, I was always very pleased with the dynamics of the shows. Well balanced without any doubt, only very fine adjustments here and there. They always knew what they were doing. Almost. ;)
LE
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I for one would like more songs from Golden Heart. Songs like Golden Heart, Rudiger, No Can Do, Je Suis Desolé and so on...In my view, it's the best album he's ever made and it seems like it doesn't get the recognition it deserves. Regarding the topic, from the Straits days, I've always thought Calling Elvis was a good opener. For solo tours, Border Reiver without a doubt.