A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Brunno Nunes- (Universo Dire Straits) on December 01, 2017, 07:24:30 PM
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Which combination of timbre sounds best with Money for Nothing? :think
Les Paul
Steinberger GL2
Pensa-Suhr
(http://www.oneverybootleg.nl/MK_guitars_lespaul1b.jpg)
(http://www.oneverybootleg.nl/MK_guitars_steinbergerGL2c.jpg)
(http://www.oneverybootleg.nl/MK_guitars_pensasuhr_flamedmaple2.jpg)
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1. Pensa
2. Les Paul
3. Ugly Thing
I think it's a crime to play on a guitar like this Steinberger. One of the worst-designed things I've ever seen.
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Les Paul's timbre on MFN for me is unsurpassed, especially the studio version. Live, the most interesting timbre I think is the version of the 1985 wembley, although appreciate the unique characteristics of each of the guitars used for this song.
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I think it's a crime to play on a guitar like this Steinberger. One of the worst-designed things I've ever seen.
Why?
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I think it's a crime to play on a guitar like this Steinberger. One of the worst-designed things I've ever seen.
I think of a modern guitar and it blends well with the 80's trend. Interesting as MK has never used this guitar and Erlewine in any song since 1987, 30 years ...
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I think it's a crime to play on a guitar like this Steinberger. One of the worst-designed things I've ever seen.
Why?
Because it looks like your average travel guitar... I get it that it was popular in the 80s (as well as some very bad clothing and drum machines). But not everything that was popular remain relevant after so many years... This guitar might be the case. Let alone the headless design which I hate in any instrument. It translates to me into headless human being! But maybe I'm just too much of a classic guitar design nerd. I can't even stand the modern Fender logo LOL :lol
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I think it's a crime to play on a guitar like this Steinberger. One of the worst-designed things I've ever seen.
Why?
Because it looks like your average travel guitar... I get it that it was popular in the 80s (as well as some very bad clothing and drum machines). But not everything that was popular remain relevant after so many years... This guitar might be the case. Let alone the headless design which I hate in any instrument. It translates to me into headless human being! But maybe I'm just too much of a classic guitar design nerd. I can't even stand the modern Fender logo LOL :lol
;D
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The sound I like most is from the PensaSuhr at Knebworth90, but not the official recording, another one with the proper mix
The lespaul one is still great
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money from knebworth for me
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I would agree that the sound at Knebworth from the Pensa-Suhr was fantastic. However, to my ears it never sounded like that before or since, so best guitar would have to be his LP '84 reissue as used on the 1st leg of the BIA tour.
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you forgot to mention the National with bottleneck in 2001, that would be the ultimate tone for this song ;D
more seriously, no live version beats the studio version regarding the tone imho
and pleeaaase, I don't want a wah on this song. I hate the tone on the OES tour : pensa + wah + soldano...beeuurkkk ! :disbelief
best tone : studio
if I had to choose a live version, I would go for mandela : no wah, very good solo by Mark, and also by EC (with broken string !)
I prefer it than Knebworth where the backing singers miss the ending (Mark try to make a sign at them for the changing chord, but they keep singing the same line, and it's a bit long for my taste)
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It depends on the rest of the gear. The Pensa sound in the Nelson Mandela gig and on the Clapton tour was better than on the OES tour in my opinion. The LP sounds amazing on the BIA tour and on his first solo tours but at some point Mark went for a let's say less aggressive LP sound and never looked back. I prefer the older setups.
I know it sounds incoherent, sorry... but yeah, the LP sounds better through a more aggressive setup and the Pensa with a well rounded and less saturated tone.
Regarding the Steinberger, it sounds too artificial to my taste, I don't like it.
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For many, point off the curve seems to be Steinberger in MFN. After all, what criterion, or what would have led Knopfler to replace Les Paul by Steinberger in MFN? By the way, Steinberger was used for longer in MFN during the BIA tour than Les paul, (Steinberger August 1985 to April 1986, Les Paul, April 85 - July 85)
I believe that this has some connection with the entrance of the song One World in place of SFA. One World appears on this BIA tour with a different outfit, different from the studio version and Steinberger is played.
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For many, point off the curve seems to be Steinberger in MFN. After all, what criterion, or what would have led Knopfler to replace Les Paul by Steinberger in MFN? By the way, Steinberger was used for longer in MFN during the BIA tour than Les paul, (Steinberger August 1985 to April 1986, Les Paul, April 85 - July 85)
I believe that this has some connection with the entrance of the song One World in place of SFA. One World appears on this BIA tour with a different outfit, different from the studio version and Steinberger is played.
To me it looks like just a time thing, like Brothers In Arms being the first CD single sold 1M, maybe this guitar seemed to be "the future" of guitars?
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I like the Les Paul best. Wembley 85 is iconic, but as a close second (or even first !) I'm surprise nobody has mentionned Montserrat '97 yet. It has no intro, sadely (but the studio intro is hard to beat anyway), but it has the Les Paul, Clapton, Collins, Sting, and is very rocking ! I love it (just make sure you play the DTS track on the second version of the DVD, otherwise the sound is crappy).
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To me it looks like just a time thing, like Brothers In Arms being the first CD single sold 1M, maybe this guitar seemed to be "the future" of guitars?[/quote]
I had not thought about this angle! :think
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For many, point off the curve seems to be Steinberger in MFN. After all, what criterion, or what would have led Knopfler to replace Les Paul by Steinberger in MFN? By the way, Steinberger was used for longer in MFN during the BIA tour than Les paul, (Steinberger August 1985 to April 1986, Les Paul, April 85 - July 85)
I believe that this has some connection with the entrance of the song One World in place of SFA. One World appears on this BIA tour with a different outfit, different from the studio version and Steinberger is played.
To me it looks like just a time thing, like Brothers In Arms being the first CD single sold 1M, maybe this guitar seemed to be "the future" of guitars?
I know people who had this guitar on his hands and they told me that it was very comfortable to play and that changing the strings was the easiest thing in this world.
I recall seeing Richard Bennett playing several Steinbergers guitars with Neil Diamond.
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For many, point off the curve seems to be Steinberger in MFN. After all, what criterion, or what would have led Knopfler to replace Les Paul by Steinberger in MFN? By the way, Steinberger was used for longer in MFN during the BIA tour than Les paul, (Steinberger August 1985 to April 1986, Les Paul, April 85 - July 85)
I believe that this has some connection with the entrance of the song One World in place of SFA. One World appears on this BIA tour with a different outfit, different from the studio version and Steinberger is played.
To me it looks like just a time thing, like Brothers In Arms being the first CD single sold 1M, maybe this guitar seemed to be "the future" of guitars?
I know people who had this guitar on his hands and they told me that it was very comfortable to play and that changing the strings was the easiest thing in this world.
I recall seeing Richard Bennett playing several Steinbergers guitars with Neil Diamond.
If I recall Mark's Steinberger was made from carbon fibre, so extremely lightweight too. I rather like it as it's evocative of an era. Just because it isn't fashionable at the moment it shouldn't be slated. The original 80s models like this will become a cult guitar of the future. It's time will come again!
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Here’s what Mark had to say about his Steinberger around the time STP was released:
“That’s funny – I’ve just come back from holiday, and I took it with me and played it every day just so I could stay on top of things. It’s great to put it on your back or throw it into the luggage compartment of a plane. I used to use ’em onstage; it’s a great guitar for touring. It’s strong as a truck.”