Post by: allen on May 19, 2018, 06:58:51 PM
Isn't it rare that MK played this tune with Gibson instead of Fender? And how do you enjoy this performance? To me, I need the clean sound rather than the dirty delay effects on Gibson. And MK missed some notes, especially during the outros, luckily Guy helped quite a lot with those notes. And that was the reason why it was omitted from the official releases? Any reason why MK use this guitar on this track? Lack of time to switch a guitar or that was the only guitar he brought that day? A mistery to me for years.
Post by: herlock on May 19, 2018, 07:37:51 PM
For me nothing can compare with the emotional sound of the Les Paul.
That's why this is my favorite version of Wild Theme, why Vaison 96 is my favorite version of Going Home, and why, unlike most people, my favorite version of BIA is not Mandela but Wembley 85.Lazyness, to me, was replacing both the Fender Strat and the Les Paul with one-size-fits-all Pensa in the OES tour. Not that I have anything against the Pensa, it is a wonderful guitar of its own, but it is no substitute, neither for the clean sound of the Strat, not the emotional sound of the Les Paul. I am glad Mark has realized that when going solo. I wish he would bring back the heavy sound of the schecter strat on TR, too...
Post by: JF on May 19, 2018, 10:58:39 PM
So I guess that in 97 when he chose to play Wild theme at Montserrat he deliberatly used the Les Paul, like he did for Going home in 96, as the intro of both tunes is the same.
During the STP promo tour, he also played Wild theme on the Les paul (bonus track on the STP maxi), and he had the 61 strat for WII, so it was obvisouly his choice , not the need to bring only one guitar
don't forget that going home on the studio version has two distinctive guitar sounds : the clean acoustic arpeggios for the intro, and the driven sound (on the shecter it seems, as seen in the clip) for the solo
during 83-86 years, he chose to play it on the strat with a clean tone to "privilege" the intro part sound, but thus the solo sound was not similar to the studio version
in 96, he cose to "privilege" the solo sound, and then it was the intro sound that wasn't the same as in studio
he could have used a stompbox to change sound, but Mark rarely used one (except in 2005 for boom like that, and 2015 too I think)
Herlock, just to be more accurate, the les Paul on the BIA tour is not the same as in solo years
In 85-86 it was a reissue model, while since 96 they are real vintage ones from 58 and 59
so the les Paul on BIA in Wembley is not the one on Wild Theme at Montserrat
Post by: dmg on May 19, 2018, 11:12:40 PM
CE sounded much better with the Pensa-Suhr and a proper pedal steel and Danny's extra percussion giving the song a less contrived sound as it did in '96 with Guy's synths. Mark's playing was a lot more fluid in the solos too.
It is a little strange that he would want to use the LP on such a high profile event though. The STP promo tour is fair enough but for such an event one would think he'd have brought the right equipment!
Post by: herlock on May 19, 2018, 11:24:28 PM
Dmg, whatever it is, Going Home on the Les Paul in 1996 just sounds fantastic to me :)
Post by: JF on May 20, 2018, 12:00:49 AM
There's no doubt in my mind that, to me anyway, Wild Theme is a Strat song.
the original version of Wild theme is the nylon Chet Atkins Gibson guitar
it became a strat song later...on the OES tour
and the original version of Going Home (whose the intro is played for wild theme on tour) is an acoustic guitar, maybe an ovation (?)
it became a strat song on the LOG tour
Post by: Mossguitar on May 20, 2018, 12:07:06 AM
The 96 versions of Going Home with Les Paul are by far the best imo. All BIAs with Les Pauls of all variants beat the Pensa ones. Pensa worked for Tunnel of love, Planet of New orleans, you and your friend, Vic And Ray and telegraph road, but never for Brothers in arms.
Post by: Eddie Fox on May 20, 2018, 12:09:01 AM
In my opinion both Wild Theme and The Bug are Strat tunes.
Post by: JF on May 20, 2018, 12:10:38 AM
- the Les Paul (I never liked the pensa, except at Mandela)
- Richard's and Glenn's licks at the end
- the way it was linked to je suis desolé, and a total surprise to me at the gig
- changing chords on the Vaison concert, reminding Lions outro on the OL tour
- the way how Mark plays at the end with the subtle volume progression while during the OES tour, it was harsh
but I don't like Guy's synths trying to imitate electric guitar riff at the end : horrible ! :smack
and I don't get it : why play it ? :disbelief you already have Richard's and Glenn's licks, which are so tastefull !
and I like very much the studio version; it has this JJ cale flavour, a little bit of travelin' light groove
the 91-92 versions ? well too much show off for my taste
Post by: JF on May 20, 2018, 12:13:05 AM
I never knew Mark played The Bug with the LP.
for the video :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yvgB3w4fC4
for the sound :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z43cMvXagTw
Post by: JF on May 20, 2018, 12:16:47 AM
The Monsterrat version is the Best Wild Theme of all times! What mistakes?
The 96 versions of Going Home with Les Paul are by far the best imo. All BIAs with Les Pauls of all variants beat the Pensa ones. Pensa worked for Tunnel of love, Planet of New orleans, you and your friend, Vic And Ray and telegraph road, but never for Brothers in arms.
my favorite Wild theme version is the studio one, with "symphonic" ambiance; played at my wedding
I like BIA on the TRD bonus disc (Toronto 2001) and I like very much the studio version (yes for many songs I ove studio versions), because on live versions, Mark sometimes plays too much agressive on this song, and I prefer the subtle playing on the studio version
Post by: allen on May 20, 2018, 08:48:34 AM
The Monsterrat version is the Best Wild Theme of all times! What mistakes?
Some notes that were originally played on guitar in studio version or early live version, now were played by Guy. In my opinion, MK missed those notes in that live show (3:31 for example), that was a pity, maybe because he was not satisfied enough to play those those with Gibson, so he let Guy play instead.
and from 2001, he didn't carry on using gibson on that song, but back to fender.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yW_NBdpBs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yW_NBdpBs)
Post by: holaknopfler on May 20, 2018, 11:13:22 AM
The Monsterrat version is the Best Wild Theme of all times! What mistakes?
Some notes that were originally played on guitar in studio version or early live version, now were played by Guy. In my opinion, MK missed those notes in that live show (3:31 for example), that was a pity, maybe because he was not satisfied enough to play those those with Gibson, so he let Guy play instead.
and from 2001, he didn't carry on using gibson on that song, but back to fender.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yW_NBdpBs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yW_NBdpBs)
He already went back to the staat a couple of years before 2001 during the NHB gigs, probably around 1998 that he started to play it again on the staat. My explanation is that the Gibson was the only guitar he brought to the show but hey, it's only a guess. I have to check my bootlegs for the NHB gigs, when he played the song and which guitar.
Post by: Mossguitar on May 20, 2018, 12:32:37 PM
Yes, now I see what you mean.The Monsterrat version is the Best Wild Theme of all times! What mistakes?
Some notes that were originally played on guitar in studio version or early live version, now were played by Guy. In my opinion, MK missed those notes in that live show (3:31 for example), that was a pity, maybe because he was not satisfied enough to play those those with Gibson, so he let Guy play instead.
and from 2001, he didn't carry on using gibson on that song, but back to fender.
I noticed the «missed» notes, but have just thought it was a musical decission based on the guitar he chose to use (distorted Gibson vs clean Strat). I don’t miss the «missing» notes in this perticular performance, but love the longer distorted tones.
Post by: dmg on May 20, 2018, 01:20:47 PM
There's no doubt in my mind that, to me anyway, Wild Theme is a Strat song.
the original version of Wild theme is the nylon Chet Atkins Gibson guitar
it became a strat song later...on the OES tour
Of course, and I love that version. I suppose I meant the live versions. The Strat fills the auditorium in a way I don't think an an acoustic could. I never really thought about the studio version tbh as it sounds so different. Different arrangement too though.
My favourite versions are the studio one and the ones live with the NHB '97 and '98. Totally different but totally brilliant!
Post by: Pottel on May 20, 2018, 08:35:30 PM
mark in a check shirt? never seen before. also, he seems to have so much fun on that one. confirms to me once again that 96 was THE tour.I never knew Mark played The Bug with the LP.
for the video :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yvgB3w4fC4
for the sound :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z43cMvXagTw
Post by: Eddie Fox on May 24, 2018, 04:46:18 PM
I never knew Mark played The Bug with the LP.
for the video :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yvgB3w4fC4
for the sound :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z43cMvXagTw
That sounds so much better with the Strat though.
Post by: dustyvalentino on May 25, 2018, 08:28:07 PM
Cannibals is another clearly inappropriate song he played the LP on in 96. But he was clearly in love with the sound and that came through in his playing and his enthusiasm. Always thought 96 was the best tour.
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Post by: Eddie Fox on May 26, 2018, 04:01:38 PM