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Title: some erased videos
Post by: ybot on August 27, 2018, 01:27:43 AM
hello, it is posible some DS are not at youtube any more?

tunnel of love at alchemy
brothers in arms in basel

there are more

Title: Re: some erased videos
Post by: dmg on August 27, 2018, 11:44:13 AM
I think the whole Basel concert disappeared a while ago.  Strangely the Nîmes (September) show is still available though.  I think DS Overseas owned the rights to the Basel show, maybe that's why.
Title: Re: some erased videos
Post by: Jules on August 27, 2018, 12:23:17 PM
I think the whole Basel concert disappeared a while ago.  Strangely the Nîmes (September) show is still available though.  I think DS Overseas owned the rights to the Basel show, maybe that's why.

Dire Straits Overseas also owns the rights of Nimes... Or at least that's what it says in the video broadcast.
Title: Re: some erased videos
Post by: knopflertom on August 27, 2018, 01:49:03 PM
Who is Dire Straits Oversea?
Title: Re: some erased videos
Post by: dmg on August 27, 2018, 01:59:27 PM
I think the whole Basel concert disappeared a while ago.  Strangely the Nîmes (September) show is still available though.  I think DS Overseas owned the rights to the Basel show, maybe that's why.

Dire Straits Overseas also owns the rights of Nimes... Or at least that's what it says in the video broadcast.

I don't think I've seen the credits at the end of that show.  Strange that that one is still available then.
Title: Re: some erased videos
Post by: dmg on August 27, 2018, 02:00:00 PM
Who is Dire Straits Oversea?

Basically Mark, John and Ed Bicknell (until 1998).
Title: Re: some erased videos
Post by: Jules on August 27, 2018, 02:02:12 PM
I think the whole Basel concert disappeared a while ago.  Strangely the Nîmes (September) show is still available though.  I think DS Overseas owned the rights to the Basel show, maybe that's why.

Dire Straits Overseas also owns the rights of Nimes... Or at least that's what it says in the video broadcast.

I don't think I've seen the credits at the end of that show.  Strange that that one is still available then.

Anything broadcasted by tv or radio was licensed by Dire Straits Overseas.
Title: Re: some erased videos
Post by: Jules on August 27, 2018, 02:07:24 PM
The credits are cut, the very last thing you see in the credits should be, as in Basel, Dire Straits Oversas, however, just at the beguining of the credits you can see this:
Title: Re: some erased videos
Post by: dmg on August 27, 2018, 02:15:39 PM
Thanks Jbaent.
Title: Re: some erased videos
Post by: Jules on August 27, 2018, 02:20:17 PM
Thanks Jbaent.

It's quite nonsense that Nimes is available and Basel is not... I don't know why. Maybe Basel was broacdasted by a different tv station that claimed copyright of the broadcast to youtube?

I heard that many MK related videos were deleted from youtube due to copyright when the official account was opened, I thought that might be the reason but it looks like totally random...
Title: Re: some erased videos
Post by: Billy’s Tune on August 28, 2018, 02:28:50 PM
What happened after 1998? Does DS overseas still exist?
Title: Re: some erased videos
Post by: Jules on August 28, 2018, 02:38:39 PM
What happened after 1998? Does DS overseas still exist?

Yes.

In 1998 Ed Bicknell was out of DS OVERSEAS as he quit as MK manager.
Title: Re: some erased videos
Post by: cannibals on August 28, 2018, 05:13:22 PM
What happened after 1998? Does DS overseas still exist?

Yes.

In 1998 Ed Bicknell was out of DS OVERSEAS as he quit as MK manager.

I believe John once said every year he and Mark spent a day or two to discuss some DS stuff.
Beats me what they are talking about. Probably the money.. ;D
Title: Re: some erased videos
Post by: ds1984 on August 28, 2018, 08:10:53 PM
What happened after 1998? Does DS overseas still exist?

Yes.

In 1998 Ed Bicknell was out of DS OVERSEAS as he quit as MK manager.

I believe John once said every year he and Mark spent a day or two to discuss some DS stuff.
Beats me what they are talking about. Probably the money.. ;D

DS is only that now, almost nothing new, just the old catalogue being exploited.

Title: Re: some erased videos
Post by: Eddie Fox on August 31, 2018, 02:34:44 PM
What happened after 1998? Does DS overseas still exist?

Yes.

In 1998 Ed Bicknell was out of DS OVERSEAS as he quit as MK manager.

I believe John once said every year he and Mark spent a day or two to discuss some DS stuff.
Beats me what they are talking about. Probably the money.. ;D

DS is only that now, almost nothing new, just the old catalogue being exploited.

Perhaps some legal issues regarding tribute bands using their brand? That would be my second guess.
Title: Re: some erased videos
Post by: Jules on August 31, 2018, 02:42:09 PM
What happened after 1998? Does DS overseas still exist?

Yes.

In 1998 Ed Bicknell was out of DS OVERSEAS as he quit as MK manager.

I believe John once said every year he and Mark spent a day or two to discuss some DS stuff.
Beats me what they are talking about. Probably the money.. ;D

DS is only that now, almost nothing new, just the old catalogue being exploited.

Perhaps some legal issues regarding tribute bands using their brand? That would be my second guess.

There is no legal issue as long as they don't use just "dire straits", if they add Legacy, Experience, Legends or whatever, is not the same name.
Title: Re: some erased videos
Post by: ds1984 on September 01, 2018, 09:31:41 PM
Smell of Dire Straits (choice of flavour at the entrance)  ;D
Title: Re: some erased videos
Post by: Jules on September 01, 2018, 09:37:52 PM
Smell of Dire Straits (choice of flavour at the entrance)  ;D

That's disgusting...
Title: Re: some erased videos
Post by: Eddie Fox on September 03, 2018, 04:14:24 PM
What happened after 1998? Does DS overseas still exist?

Yes.

In 1998 Ed Bicknell was out of DS OVERSEAS as he quit as MK manager.

I believe John once said every year he and Mark spent a day or two to discuss some DS stuff.
Beats me what they are talking about. Probably the money.. ;D

DS is only that now, almost nothing new, just the old catalogue being exploited.

Perhaps some legal issues regarding tribute bands using their brand? That would be my second guess.

There is no legal issue as long as they don't use just "dire straits", if they add Legacy, Experience, Legends or whatever, is not the same name.

In the promo material, yes. However, they are announced as DS with a new lineup on TV shows, interviews and articles, and they never deny it. I have several examples from their gigs in Brazil. Marco even talks about being invited to replace Mark in the band in an interview.
Title: Re: some erased videos
Post by: Jules on September 03, 2018, 04:20:38 PM
Mmmm... That rings a bell to me... Same old boring complaint that always come back from time to time.
Title: Re: some erased videos
Post by: Eddie Fox on September 03, 2018, 04:57:16 PM
Mmmm... That rings a bell to me... Same old boring complaint that always come back from time to time.

Boring? How would you feel if another man told people your children were his? Let's say you have kids with your wife, then you get divorced, she marries another guy and every time he's walking your children with your ex and someone assumes they are his he nods yes and talks about how great it is to be their father. Not acceptable.
Title: Re: some erased videos
Post by: Jules on September 03, 2018, 05:48:57 PM
Booooooooooooring
Title: Re: some erased videos
Post by: Love Expresso on September 03, 2018, 06:29:11 PM
Mmmm... That rings a bell to me... Same old boring complaint that always come back from time to time.

This comes across as unbelievably arrogant. Who are you to decide? This is AMIT and not JBAENTS PERSONAL BLOG or something. If you are bored, don't comment. You are not FORCED to comment every single post here.

LE
Title: Re: some erased videos
Post by: Jules on September 03, 2018, 08:05:11 PM
Mmmm... That rings a bell to me... Same old boring complaint that always come back from time to time.

This comes across as unbelievably arrogant. Who are you to decide? This is AMIT and not JBAENTS PERSONAL BLOG or something. If you are bored, don't comment. You are not FORCED to comment every single post here.

LE

I will ask for your permission first from now before I hit the send button, if it's ok with your, Sir.

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xQmBz7ni2UY/Vs-Bp_52YOI/AAAAAAAANas/xnqMOtNDLFs/s1600/fSTz0jC.jpg)

Ps/ Funny that I'm the arrogant  :smack
Title: Re: some erased videos
Post by: superval99 on September 03, 2018, 08:33:18 PM
Mmmm... That rings a bell to me... Same old boring complaint that always come back from time to time.

This comes across as unbelievably arrogant. Who are you to decide? This is AMIT and not JBAENTS PERSONAL BLOG or something. If you are bored, don't comment. You are not FORCED to comment every single post here.

LE

I will ask for your permission first from now before I hit the send button, if it's ok with your, Sir.

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xQmBz7ni2UY/Vs-Bp_52YOI/AAAAAAAANas/xnqMOtNDLFs/s1600/fSTz0jC.jpg)

Ps/ Funny that I'm the arrogant  :smack

Haha, Benny Hill!    :lol    I met him many years ago and he signed my autograph book!    :D
Title: Re: some erased videos
Post by: Jules on September 03, 2018, 09:14:54 PM
Moderators, please, I need a clarification regarding rules.

Moaning about moaners about Mk is fines freedom of speech.

Moaning about moaners about DS legacy and others Ds tribute bands with ex members is being arrogant and allow other forumers to call arrogant to who moan about those moaners.

Am I right with this rule? Or I'm wrong?
Title: Re: some erased videos
Post by: Love Expresso on September 03, 2018, 09:48:43 PM
This band that is touring the US has reached a new negative peak or lowpoint in it's behaviour. A Dutch newspaper reported online that "Dire Straits are touring without Mark Knopfler". Eddy had every right to point out to this and even gave you a great analogy with what he meant exactly. Especially your second "booooring" WAS rude. You killed his ambition to talk about this and his experience in Brazil with your "boring" and insinuated he would "moan". I called not you arrogant but said that your post came across so. Now in your question to the Moderators you insist in calling his post "moaning".

Good luck with the Moderators.

LE 
Title: Re: some erased videos
Post by: Jules on September 03, 2018, 09:55:04 PM
So...

Everytime DSl go on tour and interviewed, being asking the SAME questions, giving the SAME answers, they reach new low levels of low point in their behaviour.... I'd like to see that scale to measure it because everytime they reach the lowest point and then the lowest and again the lowest... Wow. I'm amazed. And always telling the same thing, they reach a lowest point saying and doing the same...

Forgive me but... Booooring
Title: Re: some erased videos
Post by: cannibals on September 03, 2018, 09:55:09 PM
In the end who wants to go to Dire Straits without Mark Knopfler?? I really am surprised that people would go to that. It is like seeing the Police without Sting, Supertramp without Roger Hodgson.....
Title: Re: some erased videos
Post by: Robson on September 03, 2018, 09:58:17 PM
In the end who wants to go to Dire Straits without Mark Knopfler?? I really am surprised that people would go to that. It is like seeing the Police without Sting, Supertramp without Roger Hodgson.....

 :thumbsup

Or Led Zeppelin without Robert Plant.
Title: Re: some erased videos
Post by: Love Expresso on September 03, 2018, 10:01:03 PM
That's a good question but it seems they DO reach many people or a US tour would not commencing.
It is only that they are not clear about it by purpose and maybe WANT people to believe they are the original band. I would not go. But I am sure Benny would. He seems to like them.

LE
Title: Re: some erased videos
Post by: dmg on September 03, 2018, 10:09:00 PM
That's a good question but it seems they DO reach many people or a US tour would not commencing.
It is only that they are not clear about it by purpose and maybe WANT people to believe they are the original band. I would not go. But I am sure Benny would. He seems to like them.

LE

Joking aside, it would be interesting to find out their market.  I would reckon it is a younger generation who have heard of DS but aren't heavyweight fans and haven't been to concerts of the real deal.  I doubt Knopfler fans would attend these, except perhaps on their first tour, merely out of curiosity.

__________

Used to love that little bald guy on The Benny Hill Show that he'd slap on the head!
Title: Re: some erased videos
Post by: Love Expresso on September 03, 2018, 10:12:49 PM
So...

Everytime DSl go on tour and interviewed, being asking the SAME questions, giving the SAME answers, they reach new low levels of low point in their behaviour.... I'd like to see that scale to measure it because everytime they reach the lowest point and then the lowest and again the lowest... Wow. I'm amazed. And always telling the same thing, they reach a lowest point saying and doing the same...

Forgive me but... Booooring

This forum is basically about always the same in every aspect. Sad but true.

LE
Title: Re: some erased videos
Post by: Love Expresso on September 03, 2018, 10:18:25 PM
That's a good question but it seems they DO reach many people or a US tour would not commencing.
It is only that they are not clear about it by purpose and maybe WANT people to believe they are the original band. I would not go. But I am sure Benny would. He seems to like them.

LE

Joking aside, it would be interesting to find out their market.  I would reckon it is a younger generation who have heard of DS but aren't heavyweight fans and haven't been to concerts of the real deal.  I doubt Knopfler fans would attend these, except perhaps on their first tour, merely out of curiosity.

__________

Used to love that little bald guy on The Benny Hill Show that he'd slap on the head!

Maybe we are too critical anyway and people just have a good time.

LE
Title: Re: some erased videos
Post by: Jules on September 03, 2018, 10:23:15 PM
I always say that I enjoyed The Straits at the Rah, and I know about others that enjoyed them even they went with prejudice. In the end they just enjoyed the music.

By the way, I wasn't calling Eddie boring, but the topic, that comes again and again and always the same (like when we moan about Mk setlists), actually I find Eddy's post quite interesting, except this one's ;)

And also I like to discuss with LE. Man, sometimes I think you're Spanish or Latino, like Eddie and I, lol
Title: Re: some erased videos
Post by: MK-47 on September 03, 2018, 10:29:17 PM
So...

Everytime DSl go on tour and interviewed, being asking the SAME questions, giving the SAME answers, they reach new low levels of low point in their behaviour.... I'd like to see that scale to measure it because everytime they reach the lowest point and then the lowest and again the lowest... Wow. I'm amazed. And always telling the same thing, they reach a lowest point saying and doing the same...

Forgive me but... Booooring

Why do you feel the need to say that it's boring? Just ignore it no matter how often it comes up.

It's boring to me as well, but why not talk about it? It would be a lot better if there was nothing to talk about.
Title: Re: some erased videos
Post by: Jules on September 03, 2018, 10:32:09 PM
So...

Everytime DSl go on tour and interviewed, being asking the SAME questions, giving the SAME answers, they reach new low levels of low point in their behaviour.... I'd like to see that scale to measure it because everytime they reach the lowest point and then the lowest and again the lowest... Wow. I'm amazed. And always telling the same thing, they reach a lowest point saying and doing the same...

Forgive me but... Booooring

Why do you feel the need to say that it's boring? Just ignore it no matter how often it comes up.

It's boring to me as well, but why not talk about it? It would be a lot better if there was nothing to talk about.

And why not telling you find it boring?

When we moan about the Mk setlists is not problematic to say it's boring...

I find that there are several ways of measuring what is correct to say depending the subject... Quite subjective and unfair
Title: Re: some erased videos
Post by: Love Expresso on September 03, 2018, 10:36:53 PM
It seems we have to live with this or these Bands. So it will be a topic in the future for sure. MK could have done something against it in being more responsible with the Dire Straits heritage. But he left it alone and showed no interest in it. I said it once already but if you see what Queen fans get out of the history of the band in form of special Editions, boxsets, Blu-ray and stuff it is really sad to see this great band Dire Straits ending like this.

LE
Title: Re: some erased videos
Post by: MK-47 on September 03, 2018, 10:41:39 PM

And why not telling you find it boring?

When we moan about the Mk setlists is not problematic to say it's boring...

I find that there are several ways of measuring what is correct to say depending the subject... Quite subjective and unfair

Because it doesn't contribute in any kind of way to the discussion.

I'm sorry to say but even if the topic of discussion may be boring, it's even more so to see someone commenting on it being boring.
Title: Re: some erased videos
Post by: Jules on September 03, 2018, 10:48:18 PM

And why not telling you find it boring?

When we moan about the Mk setlists is not problematic to say it's boring...

I find that there are several ways of measuring what is correct to say depending the subject... Quite subjective and unfair

Because it doesn't contribute in any kind of way to the discussion.

I'm sorry to say but even if the topic of discussion may be boring, it's even more so to see someone commenting on it being boring.

That's exactly what happens when we moan about Mk setlists. But for any unknown reason it doesn't work the same way you are telling with this topic. People moan about the moaners and tell it's boring and, it looks ok in that case...

It's very curious.
Title: Re: some erased videos
Post by: MK-47 on September 03, 2018, 11:03:47 PM

That's exactly what happens when we moan about Mk setlists. But for any unknown reason it doesn't work the same way you are telling with this topic. People moan about the moaners and tell it's boring and, it looks ok in that case...

It's very curious.

You're right, it should work the same way with that topic as well. I don't know why it doesn't, but it should.
Title: Re: some erased videos
Post by: Eddie Fox on September 04, 2018, 01:53:29 AM
Wow, that escalated pretty quickly. Just to make myself clear, my problem with these tribute bands is the fact they pretend to be what they aren't. I think it's a serious matter and wouldn't be surprised if Mark and John met to discuss it. Perhaps it is a boring subject but it doesn't change the fact that what they do is disgusting. Marco talking as if he was the new DS's frontman and pretending to be Mark's successor is actually painfully cringeworthy, I feel sorry for the dude, but using Mark's legacy to make money is just inappropriate.
Title: Re: some erased videos
Post by: Robson on September 04, 2018, 02:47:32 AM
Wow, that escalated pretty quickly. Just to make myself clear, my problem with these tribute bands is the fact they pretend to be what they aren't. I think it's a serious matter and wouldn't be surprised if Mark and John met to discuss it. Perhaps it is a boring subject but it doesn't change the fact that what they do is disgusting. Marco talking as if he was the new DS's frontman and pretending to be Mark's successor is actually painfully cringeworthy, I feel sorry for the dude, but using Mark's legacy to make money is just inappropriate.

Exactly. And it's annoying.

I thought once that it would never happen.
The heritage of dIRE sTRAITS is ... No words. A curtain of silence.