A Mark In Time
General Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: dustyvalentino on July 27, 2009, 01:05:22 PM
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I really hate Phil Collins. I feel safe in posting this thread because I know that BPENCID (sorry, I always get the spelling wrong) is on holiday in Scotland at the moment, but I just really, really hate Phil Collins. I should add the caveat that I can appreciate that he is a talented drummer, but sadly he doesn't stick to that and inflicts his singing and "acting" on us as well.
Here are my top ten reasons to hate Phil Collins:
1. Playing both Live Aids and feeling very pleased with himself about it.
2. Playing all the instruments on the "Both Sides" album just to show off (even though he can't play guitar and his keyboard/guitar simulations were awful).
3. Miami Vice
4. "Discovering" world music about 15 years after Paul Simon and Peter Gabriel, and releasing a Graceland knock-off. On the plus side, that seemed to kill off his career, record sales wise, so it wasn't all bad.
5. Yes, we know you played the Artful Dodger in Oliver. Stop going on about it at every available opportunity in an attempt to paint yourself as a loveable, cocney, cheeky-chappie. Beacuse you're not.
6. Tarzan, although it did lead to the hilarous post-awards reaction from South Park's Trey Parker & Matt Stone ("I can't believe we lost to Phil Collins") and subsequent ridicule in South Park
7. Dumping his wife by fax and shagging his nanny
8. He, along with his Genesis co-horts (Gabriel excluded) bought a sizeable section of Mull. They allowed the planting of thousands of non indigenous pine trees that managed to turn the land into an acidy swamp that nothing could live off.
9. The lyrics to Another Day in Paradise
10. Buster
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Who
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No, Ringo is a legend. Let's hate Michael Bolton next.
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You forget :
11. Has produced two albums for Eric Clapton and even worse, has toured with him.
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Is today Monday or what :o :o
when is someone going to mention James Blunt or would it be too difficult to restrict it to 10 reasons???????
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You forget :
11. Has produced two albums for Eric Clapton and even worse, has toured with him.
lol
Actually, one of the songs he produced, Behind the Mask, was a great pop single, and, bizarrely, co-written by... Michael Jackson!
Here's the full story:
http://www.urbanhonking.com/trmw/archives/2005/12/infinity_multip.html
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Amen and I hate rap....
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Let's hate Michael Bolton next.
I'll be honest with you, I love his music. I do. I'm a Michael Bolton fan. For my money, I don't know if it gets any better than when he sings "When a Man Loves a Woman".
(http://www.made2mentor.com/Images/bobs.jpg)
Probably one of the funniest movies ever...
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I can't stand Bob Dylan and Roger Waters but feel I am alone with that opinion. I want to start a thread about them, too :)
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that is forbidden. rule # 2 here goldy...
my rule only i guess but hey,..i am the king...
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Where did all the hate come from :(
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"Hate" must be the most horrible word in the English language. It is so unforgiving and final - there is always an alternative word to use such as "dislike", but "hate" is so damning! :(
For instance, why should I hate Eric Clapton, or Phil Collins, etc. What have they done to me? Nothing, except try to entertain me with their music and just because I may not like it very much, is not their fault, they have done their very best! At least I hope they have! :)
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I'll be honest with you, I love his music. I do. I'm a Michael Bolton fan. For my money, I don't know if it gets any better than when he sings "When a Man Loves a Woman".
(http://www.made2mentor.com/Images/bobs.jpg)
Probably one of the funniest movies ever...
Ha! I was going to refer to Michael Bolton as an assclown, but I didn't think anybody else would get the reference.
Val, "hate" is indeed unforgiving, but I just can't see myself forgiving Collins for his crimes against music.
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This thread and the one about Clapton do not do v much for this site's reputation imo. Free speech is great, but let's not misuse it by posting what at at best is inane, and at worse offensive.
Glad to get that off my chest. Thank you.
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This thread and the one about Clapton do not do v much for this site's reputation imo. Free speech is great, but let's not misuse it by posting what at at best is inane, and at worse offensive.
Glad to get that off my chest. Thank you.
Chill out Arthur, seems to me that both the "hate" threads are clearly tongue in cheek and no genuine malice is directed at anyone.
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He's actually not a bad vocalist either and sang really well with Genesis, even if their song-writing altered in a way that I didn't like as time went on. He was an incredible drummer and still seems fairly competent. I know your list was a bit tongue in cheek but...
1. Hmmm, didn't help Led Zeppelin's creaky performance I'll admit, although I think it would have been rather suspect without Phil messing bits up.
3. Surely Phil alone cannot be held responsible for the whole of Miami Vice?
7 (a) Apparently not true, although documentation about access to his children was apparently faxed by his solicitor - not unreasonable I'd say.
7 (b) err...wasn't that Chris de Burgh?
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Allow me to retort. ;)
1. Hmmm, didn't help Led Zeppelin's creaky performance I'll admit, although I think it would have been rather suspect without Phil messing bits up.
Wasn't really a comment on his playing at all, more that it takes a special type of do-gooding "Aren't I great" smugness to even contemplate playing at both gigs.
3. Surely Phil alone cannot be held responsible for the whole of Miami Vice?
No, again it was just a comment on how awful he personally was when he was in it. MK has managed to retain his dignity by sticking to the music, how sad that the likes of Collins, Sting and Daltrey have failed to do the same. Kris Kristoffersson is the exception that proves the rule. ;)
7 (a) Apparently not true, although documentation about access to his children was apparently faxed by his solicitor - not unreasonable I'd say.
7 (b) err...wasn't that Chris de Burgh?
He admits here:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/01/12/PK170067.DTL
that he faxed her, albeit after she repeatedly slammed the phone down on him.
And yes, it was Chris de Burgh who shagged his kids nanny, I must apologise and set the record straight.
Phil Collins DID NOT shag his kids' nanny.
He actually shagged his kids' interpreter. :)
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This thread and the one about Clapton do not do v much for this site's reputation imo. Free speech is great, but let's not misuse it by posting what at at best is inane, and at worse offensive.
Glad to get that off my chest. Thank you.
Excuse me if I misunderstood but to me this one about Collins is just a joke whereas the other one 'bout Clapton sound serious.
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mmm, ds1984, i don't really like him either, so i guess no, this is only slightly meant as a joke :-)
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Yeah, I genuinely don't like Phil Collins, but the list IS tongue in cheek, I'm sure I speak for Millionaire Blues when I say that we genuinely don't wish any harm to come to either Phil or Eric, but that we just don't appreciate them as artists for whatever reason and we are just having a bit of fun with these threads.
It's not like we said we don't like Jews/Mormons/Belgians etc.
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I LOVE the word "shagged" It sounds so much cooler than f--ked. ;D
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belgians suck
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where is the youtube button??
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Just above this smiley face :) above the text box, and below B in the top row.
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not for me it isn't
i got insert image there...it was thereuntil a certain post of mine yesterday, and the next it was gone...
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Hum my correct understanding of English seem to have reached its limits.
After all maybe it is because I am a froggy ;D
To end on a positive note I attended one show from Genesis reunion tour and from a "non fan" point of view it was a great show to listen.
And remembering Phil Collins playing drums behind BB King and friends with Eric Clapton in 87 is one of my all time fave musical moments
Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6gDeGdQ3rM
PS : will there somebody here to start a thread "I hate BB King"?
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p.s. nope ;D
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Hi people, I don
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I can't stand Bob Dylan and Roger Waters but feel I am alone with that opinion. I want to start a thread about them, too :)
Well here another one. I play in a band and we do some BD covers but in my opinion, we could skip these. ;D It's no real fun to play, or listen to it. Worst thing about BD is the fan base: if you say a or any BD song doesn't move you, your "musical taste is worthless" because "he is the one". Actually, he's doing the same thing over and over again for years and he seems to be very good at selling the same thing over and over again (which is in my opinion his only strong point). From my point of view, his music is only created around HIM because HE feels like HE is The Best. That's one of the reasons why I can't stand listening to his music for more than 5 minutes...
Who wanted to start a thread about James Blunt? I'll post there too, I really have to go to the loo when I hear that annoying nervous voice of him. AAAAARGH! ;D Btw, please don't put me in a room with AC/DC on all day long...
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well local hero,..he IS the one ;D
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Well here another one. I play in a band and we do some BD covers but in my opinion, we could skip these. ;D It's no real fun to play, or listen to it. Worst thing about BD is the fan base: if you say a or any BD song doesn't move you, your "musical taste is worthless" because "he is the one". Actually, he's doing the same thing over and over again for years and he seems to be very good at selling the same thing over and over again (which is in my opinion his only strong point). From my point of view, his music is only created around HIM because HE feels like HE is The Best. That's one of the reasons why I can't stand listening to his music for more than 5 minutes...
I totally agree. I saw him in 2007, and watching the clouds move by at the outdoor venue was more entertaining than watching the actual show. He actually came back to play another show at that venue this year, and I believe it sold out. How that happened I don't know- you would have to pay me to sit through that again. I was at a Neil Young show last year and before the concert some people nearby were talking about "how terrible Bob Dylan sounds these days". Some guy nearby automatically started arguing with them claiming "you don't listen to Dylan for the voice!" Then what exactly do you listen for?
Sorry Pottel- different strokes for different folks. 8) Go ahead and make fun of Tool. Try me. :P
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tool is useless noise ;D
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anyway, anyone wanna diss Kyuss and get in a fight with me?
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When I saw Dylan for the first time live, July 1995, the first impression he gave was entering the stage and spit right into the direction of the audience.
Not taking of his sun glasses for a second, it was altogether a great show nevertheless. Some very angry security men watched out and caught some bootleggers... Musically I only remember a great version of "Tangled up in blue"...
I think Bob Dylan stands above all. Imagine since he is around, most of us weren
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Well here another one. I play in a band and we do some BD covers but in my opinion, we could skip these. ;D It's no real fun to play, or listen to it. Worst thing about BD is the fan base: if you say a or any BD song doesn't move you, your "musical taste is worthless" because "he is the one". Actually, he's doing the same thing over and over again for years and he seems to be very good at selling the same thing over and over again (which is in my opinion his only strong point). From my point of view, his music is only created around HIM because HE feels like HE is The Best. That's one of the reasons why I can't stand listening to his music for more than 5 minutes...
I totally agree. I saw him in 2007, and watching the clouds move by at the outdoor venue was more entertaining than watching the actual show. He actually came back to play another show at that venue this year, and I believe it sold out. How that happened I don't know- you would have to pay me to sit through that again. I was at a Neil Young show last year and before the concert some people nearby were talking about "how terrible Bob Dylan sounds these days". Some guy nearby automatically started arguing with them claiming "you don't listen to Dylan for the voice!" Then what exactly do you listen for?
I absolutely agree with both of you. And LE, I also agree that Bob - unlike other artists - can allow himself this arrogance but that doesn't mean I have to like his attitude or music.
I like his lyrics, I love "Not Dark Yet" for example but his melodies are endlessly boring and repetitive. Every 80's hair metal band has more challenging melodies! Same goes for Roger Waters, but I don't even like his lyrics anymore. He used to be a creative mastermind as long as he was in PF but ever since The Wall he has shown zero development. Again, boring music and regarding his lyrics, he's nothing more than an angry whiny old man, complaining about politics and his former band members. And say something against Rog and his fans will kick you ::)
Oh and localhero, my toenails roll up whenever I hear something by James Blunt ;D
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I love Bob Dylan. He has so much material that there's bound to be some stinkers in there, but when he's good, he's brilliant.
Visions of Johanna may just be the best song ever written.
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well local hero,..he IS the one ;D
Not for me! ;D
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Hum Roger Waters did the same thing as Mark : leaving a very popular band to go solo and do what HE likes.
Excepted that Dires Straits did not play on Live 8
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2. He personally answers every single fan letter that he receives, in his own hand - not typed.
That indeed is a fact I really admire - even though it makes me think if the number of his fans is SO low... but that would be mean, wouldn
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pc hater? what's paul crockford got to do with this?? although i gotta say that the beforementioned gentleman has STILL not replied to mails and i find this to be lowlife behaviour.
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All right, now that I have had time to decide if I will ever speak to Dusty again... ;) Allow me to retort. I personally LOVE Phil Collins, and here are some of the reasons why:
1. He allowed his personal suffering (from the divorce of his first wife) to directly affect the mood and lyrics of his first solo album, FACE VALUE.
2. He personally answers every single fan letter that he receives, in his own hand - not typed.
3. He decided on his own (in 2004) that he had done enough touring, and stopped for good... until 2007 when his Genesis band mates went out for one last time. But you won't see Phil doing endless "Farewell Tours." (Ironically, he titled his final tour in '04 the "First Final Farewell Tour.")
4. He has played with literally everyone: B.B. King, Led Zeppelin, Eric Clapton, Robert Plant... even simpleton Howard Jones!
5. He was the only person on the planet with the balls to play both Live Aid shows... and for the record, Dusty, Phil was ASKED to do this by the show's originator Bob Geldof... how could he refuse? Same with MIAMI VICE... he was a invited to do the show, as were many celebrities in the '80's. Why say no?
6. He had the talent to step in front of the mic when Gabriel departed from Genesis... and yet he continued to play the drums not only on record but in concert as well!
7. He had the talent to step back behind the drum set and go out on tour with his own Big Band (in 1996/'97) in which he re-worked some if his greatest songs into jazz band staples.
8. He had the endurance to record albums (both solo and Genesis) and tour for said releases almost every single year from 1976 through 1987. In addition, he juggled a solo career AND his Genesis career without EVER alolowing the two to conflict. I never saw Mark do this when he was in Dire Straits!
9. He writes, records, sings, drums and plays keyboards/piano on every solo album, as well as produced (with his pals Mike Rutherford and Tony Banks) every Genesis release since 1981.
10. He has been an advocate for abused children and autistic children worldwide. Okay, so he dumped his second wife via fax, and his third wife left him high and dry. The guy has poor marriage skills. But he has never been busted for drug use or picking up undercover Cops in men's bathrooms, in fact he has never been arrested for ANYTHING, and he constantly gives the fans what they want. You won't hear Phil fans complaining that he never releases live material... unlike our beloved MK!
Take that all you PC haters! ;D
Peace.
OK, let's see...
1. So what? I'm sure most songwriters have used the breakdown of personal relationships as inspiration, you can go back to Hank Williams or even many before that (Gershwin, Cole Porter) to find songs about that, big deal.
2. That is good, I must admit. Have you written to him?
3. So has he stopped touring or not? Hopefully he has.
4. Again, not really that big a deal. I've conceded that he's a fine drummer so it's not surprising that he should play drums with a lot of different artists.
5. OK, I'll take your word for it that Bob Geldof asked him to do both, and since it was for charity, fair enough. But on your second point, this is where I have a real problem with him. Just because he was asked to "act" (and I use the term loosely) on Miami Vice, doesn't mean he had to do it. He could have said no. But his ego was big enough to want to have an acting career as well as a succesful music career. MK was asked to record with Michael Jackson. By your rationale, he should have done it, just because he was asked even though
Jackson was a classic child molester who manipulated and coerced his victims into doing things that they knew were wrong. He was accused more than once, and I don't care how "great" of a pop icon he was...
One of my favourite films is the second Dirty harry film, Magnum Force. Clint Eastwood has a great line in that "A man's got to know his limitations." I bet MK was offered films in the 80s, but he turned them down because he knew his limitations and stuck to what he was good at, ie music. But Collins, and others, like Sting, just couldn't do that. "It isn't just the records, you must have Hollywood." Lots of musicians have tried, they almost always fail. Kristofferson's the only one who ever pulled it of I would say.
6. He's not half the singer Peter Gabriel is. Just my opinion, but I know a lot of people would say that Genesis' best period was in the 70s before Gabriel left. (Incidentally, a very good friend of mine went to public school (Charterhouse) with Peter Gabriel, Mike Rutherford and Tony Banks in the 60s :) )
7. Good that he went back behind the drum kit, but re-working sons into a big band format is boring and lame. Just my opinion, but if MK said he was doing that I would roll my eyes. Good thing MK doesn't look back in this way and instead challenges us with new material in different directions.
8. Arguably, MK didn't HAVE to have a solo career, because he controled Dire Straits. He still kept busy enough. Familiarity breeds contempt they say. Maybe that's why I have contempt for Phil fucking Collins, because I got fed up of seeing him all through the 80s.
9. Fair enough, we know he is a good drummer and keyboard player. Still no excuse for not bringing in a proper guitar player for the Both Sides album, just so he could say that he did everything to urther bolster his ego.
10. I certainly don't complain that Phil Collins doesn't release live material. If anything, there are surely too many Phil Collins records in the world. MK got done for speeding once, so I guess that makes Phil Collins a better person.
Oh, and on your last point, well, yes, if Miles Davis was acting in Miami Vice, then yes, he should stick to music. Similarly, Bruce Willis is an actor so fair play (but he did try to have a music career, eurghhh). I wouldn't have any problem with any TV show using Phil Collins' music, but Phil Collins trying (and failing) to act is just sad.
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mmm, forgotten bout mark's act in the french and saunders show? besides the fact that the whole act was dead funny, mark is a crap actor...
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To be fair, MK playing himself in a 3 minute comedy sketch along with other notable guitarists isn't quite the same as seeking a feature film career like Collins.
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Ooooooo kkkkkkkk... PM sent. :)
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Dusty,
Although I do not wish to debate this with you point for point, there are a few things that you wrote that I would like to correct.
... Have you written to him?
Actually, yes I have. Twice. And he responded both times with very nice letters in his own hand. I have them framed in my home as I write this. By the way, I wrote Mark in 2005... guess what... no response. Not saying that Mark HAD to respond... just that Phil DID. Twice.
... OK, I'll take your word for it that Bob Geldof asked him to do both, and since it was for charity, fair enough.
You don't have to take my word for it, you can watch the Live Aid DVD's and see the interview where Phil discuss this very fact.
But on your second point, this is where I have a real problem with him. Just because he was asked to "act" (and I use the term loosely) on Miami Vice, doesn't mean he had to do it. He could have said no. But his ego was big enough to want to have an acting career as well as a successful music career. MK was asked to record with Michael Jackson. By your rationale, he should have done it, just because he was asked even though
Jackson was a classic child molester who manipulated and coerced his victims into doing things that they knew were wrong. He was accused more than once, and I don't care how "great" of a pop icon he was...
You are perfectly correct that Phil did not have to accept the invitation to appear on MIAMI VICE but the point I was trying to make was that he did not force himself on the show... they sought him out. (Miles Davis as well.) As for your point about Michael Jackson, firstly: I stand by what I said about Jackson, and secondly: Stating that Knopfler should have played with Jackson simply because he was asked to is YOUR rationale, not mine. I believe that if an artists is asked, they have a choice to make. I am proud of Knopfler for not going that route with MJ for many reasons. But Phil made a choice because he wanted to. I can't fault the guy for it. I just can't. But again, I was only trying to say that Phil did not force himself on the producers of the show, and I think that YOU think that he did.
... MK got done for speeding once, so I guess that makes Phil Collins a better person.
The last point I wish to make is my most important one on this topic: I am not in any way trying to compare Phil and Mark as honorable men, nor as musicians, and I think that you have misunderstood me on this point. Please keep in mind that it was YOU that started a Thread - one that was antagonistic toward someone's music whom I hold dear in my life, knowing full well when you did it that I would respond in defense of the man (possibly even hoping that I would... even taking steps to post said Thread when I was not able to view the site because I was visiting your beautiful home country) - and now you are continually piling on and piling on. I respect that you dislike Phil for any and all of your reasons. All I ask is that you respect that I love the man for my reasons. The bottom line for me is that Phil Collins' music literally saved my life at a time when I was on the brink of suicide. My Mom had just died of Cancer; I was fourteen years old; and Phil's music - specifically his first solo album - helped me deal with the pain and loss. But of course you knew that. That is why you wrote:
... I feel safe in posting this thread because I know that BPENCID (sorry, I always get the spelling wrong) is on holiday in Scotland at the moment...
If you want to take shots at me, take shots at me directly. You knew my feelings on Phil's music and you went out of your way to diss the guy when I was on vacation. Not cool my friend. Not cool at all.
i know for a fact that dusty was just fooling around. let's not blow this up any further. bpd, you know me, trust me. (and with the blow up part i mean anyone, not bpd in particular )
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Ok, I have a proposal that we stop these "I hate threads" coz it only causes semi conflict between people that are here mainly because of someone that they "like" as opposed to hate.
& I hate them anyway!!!!!
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Agree, hate is wrong. You like a person/his music/his art or not.
Both is ok, so I agree to stop this kind of posts. We can have discussions about whatever, it's just a matter of opinion, nothing personal, no offences. As far as we know we are all grown up, so we must be able to agree or disagree without personal feelings.
And we can tease a little as well, about the hairdressers of some men here ;D
Or stupid and blond (ooooooops that's me :P)
And also: how is it possible you like this or that music, he/she can't play/sing or whatever.
It is NOT personal, it's just opinion and provoke and tease a little.
So the word hate can be banned from this forum I guess :D
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So the word hate can be banned from this forum I guess :D
Possibly, but I hate banning things. :)
I just want to say in public that I have sent BPDNEDCID a PM assuring him that I did not post this thread with a view to insulting him personally or antagonising him in any way and that I regret that he feels that I have set out to do so. I can go into more detail if necessary but I would like to give BPDNEDCID the opportunity to read my message first. :)
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Hahaha Dusty, I hate or better say don't like banning things too, it makes me think of a certain Mr Important who I don't like ;) Better said than I hate don't you think ;D
By the way, hate is a word that can be used in different ways. I hate spiders was one of the threads and you can't imagine how much I agree with that. It happened once that my hubby wasn't at home and I went upstairs to go to bed and saw one. I went down again and slept on a couch with a jacket as blanket.
Let's say we ban the word hate when it refers to people.
And Dusty, we all know you didn't mean to insult someone or whatever. BPD I have to say I am sure he was just teasing you because we all know you like the music of Phil a lot.
So I think this thread went in the wrong direction while it wasn't meant this way, the two gentleman can mail/PM each other. An dour public discussions can go on as we are used to.
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amen :-*
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Well said, Ingrid. A funny joke can go so south! Do you guys in Europe use that phrase? When something "goes south" it goes bad, it gets screwed up.
And now I'll respect Pottel's 'amen.' No more energy spent where it doesn't need to be. But Ingrid, I love spiders!!!!!!!
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Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek
I call you next time when hubby is not at home, I really hope you have a private plane, maybe you could manage to be at myhouse about 8 hours later ;D :D
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Living in the country, we are plagued with mosquitos. Spiders and bats are a great helps. :D
There was an old song years ago that went "I don't like spiders and snakes, but that ain't what it takes to love me, like I wanna be loved by you." I still smile when I hear it.
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Ok BPD, you made your point as well. I can see your point of view, but I strongly recommend to believe me when I say Dusty was just teasing you. I met him last year personally, I know him from the forums for years and he is not stupid nor mean. Maybe having a little strange hairdresser ;D but it seems that's a kind of fashion among the male fans of MK :D
So now this discussion has to end. I hope you both agree to disagree (thanks for these words Pottel, they are very useful now).
And I totally agree with you, as I mentioned before that we should not use the word hate referring to people at all in this forum.
The end of your e-mail sounds very good to me: peace, shake virtual hands now and let's go on!
There's a lot of funny, emotional and important stuff to discuss!
Love and peace Ingrid
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I hate conflict!!
I love resolutions!!
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OK, PM sent to BPD, but just to address a couple of points, firstly as I have said, this thread was just a joke response to thr Eric Clapton thread, I actually devised the list in 2005 and posted it on another site that I post on, here it is:
http://www.aberdeen-music.com/forums/447295-post15.html
Four years ago. I just cut and pasted it across for a joke after the Clapton thread, no attempt to antagonise BPD.
Here is part of it:
When Dusty posted the first comment in which he stated that he felt safe posting the Thread because I was away on vacation, how can one not see the obvious implication by making such a statement? Of course I am going to assume he meant for me not to be able to see or respond to the Thread until later. Wouldn't you? He mentioned me by name.
Again, just a joke, hence the smilie. Just acknowledging the fact that you were a Phil fan. I didn't know anything about Phil's music saving your life or whatever. I knew you were on holiday yes, but for all I knew you could have been looking at the forum in your hotel.
The whole thing was just a joke, I understand that you have been upset by it, but as far as I am concerned you have misinterpreted my actions and motives on this one, hopefully you can accept this.
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Let's move on.
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Let's move on.
Agreed, I just want to respond to BPD's final post first.
You said
Of course I can accept this. That said, I want to re-iterate (mostly to everyone else here as a means of clarification) that when Dusty replied to my "ten reasons," he did so with an air of "who cares?" In fact, he said "So what?" in response to my first reason... and my first reason has everything to do with how and why Phil's music helped heal me. That is primarily what I take issue with, as I would not do something like that to others here. At that very point in the thread, Dusty seemed to be jabbing directly at me, turning a "fun joke" of a Thread into a more personal attack, regardless of what the intent was when the Thread was started.
But your actual first response was:
1. He allowed his personal suffering (from the divorce of his first wife) to directly affect the mood and lyrics of his first solo album, FACE VALUE.
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No mention of Phil
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Well said, Dusty!