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Previous Albums => Get Lucky (2009) => Topic started by: Love Expresso on August 31, 2009, 10:51:30 PM

Title: Early Bird?
Post by: Love Expresso on August 31, 2009, 10:51:30 PM
Somebody on MKNews talked about the Get Lucky album on iTunes and discovered that it has 12 tracks over there - track number 12 is called "Early Bird".
I was not able to find it there. Anybody got luckier than me? I think it would be awful to buy the Deluxe Edition and still don
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Pottel on August 31, 2009, 11:16:41 PM
damn, gotta find out....
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: ustas on September 01, 2009, 12:17:32 AM
Somebody on MKNews talked about the Get Lucky album on iTunes and discovered that it has 12 tracks over there - track number 12 is called "Early Bird".
I was not able to find it there. Anybody got luckier than me? I think it would be awful to buy the Deluxe Edition and still don
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: IrisRose on September 01, 2009, 01:33:40 AM
I recall the STP release, with Do America on one and One More Matinee on the other.  You had to buy both releases to get everything.   
So is there a Spanish itunes customer who can get this?   Or can anyone log into the itunes Spanish store? :-\
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: JeroenvG on September 01, 2009, 09:22:01 AM
I checked Itunes Netherlands and there it is Early Bird.
But it says that it is only available if you buy the complete album.

I think this is not fair to the people who buy the Deluxe Edition. If I buy the deluxe edition for
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: superval99 on September 01, 2009, 09:29:21 AM
Surely this track should have been included on the Bonus CD!   I just cannot understand this management's thinking!   Are they trying to alienate their biggest fans ???
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Best Brown Baggies on September 01, 2009, 09:41:14 AM
It does seem crazy.!
I've ordered the Deluxe Box Set, & in buying that, you think you've got the 'definitive' version with 'EVERYTHING' on it.
I feel like i've been done over. :(
Perhaps it'll be a hidden track on one of the cd's in the box. ???

Cheers   BBB
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Best Brown Baggies on September 01, 2009, 09:59:27 AM
There is a snippet of the track apparently on  www.mark-knopfler.nl

Havn't listened yet.

Cheers  BBB
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: superval99 on September 01, 2009, 10:08:15 AM
Hmm, Sounds like it was recorded in a telephone box!   :-\
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: JeroenvG on September 01, 2009, 10:10:05 AM
There is a snippet of the track apparently on  www.mark-knopfler.nl


I have recorded it with my camera from iTunes. Don't know how to record properly from iTunes. So it is just 30 seconds. What I can hear in this 30 seconds sounds great.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: marky49 on September 01, 2009, 10:11:32 AM
Hmm, Sounds like it was recorded in a telephone box!   :-\

LOL - no only on the www.mark-knopfler.nl version. Go to iTunes and select Espana or Netherlands and search Get Lucky, then you can listen to the 30 sec snippet. Sounds much better there.  :D
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: marky49 on September 01, 2009, 10:15:28 AM
There is a snippet of the track apparently on  www.mark-knopfler.nl


I have recorded it with my camera from iTunes. Don't know how to record properly from iTunes. So it is just 30 seconds. What I can hear in this 30 seconds sounds great.

Try Audacity when you've a mic.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: JeroenvG on September 01, 2009, 10:29:23 AM

Try Audacity when you've a mic.

I found it, just recorded it with the minidisc and then put it online. Sound is much better now.

Hmm, Sounds like it was recorded in a telephone box!   :-\

Not anymore. Still looking for a good soundcard to record directly from the internet. I do have soundforge which is a great program for audio editing.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Best Brown Baggies on September 01, 2009, 10:40:19 AM
I asked Guy about the new song, and he replied almost immediately.

"It does indeed exist, one of my favourite tracks of the sessions...a wonderful, unusual work of brilliant MK satire.... Doubtless an iTunes bonus track"

Cheers   BBB
 
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: dustyvalentino on September 01, 2009, 10:46:57 AM
Nice work Nigel.

Totally crap if we have to pay for the whole album in a lossy format, just to get one track.

In a lossy format.

And they wonder why people illegally download stuff?
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: superval99 on September 01, 2009, 10:57:21 AM
Thank you Jeroen for your help!   ;D   
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: superval99 on September 01, 2009, 11:03:15 AM
I really hope we will be able to eventually download this track as a single, because it seems terrible to have to download the whole album for just one track, when we have already bought the album - some people the box-set!  It's becoming more of a rip-off every day!  :(
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: ds1984 on September 01, 2009, 11:14:27 AM
Boycott i-tune!
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: dustyvalentino on September 01, 2009, 11:37:32 AM
Boycott i-tune!

It's getting to the stage where I want to say "boycott MK".  :-\

It pains me to say it, as he's always been so good with the fans in the past and avoided these sort of cash-ins, but with this and the box set, well, it's very disappointing.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Love Expresso on September 01, 2009, 11:53:20 AM
I am with you here, Dusty. I already wrote a "pissed" mail to Guy, and although I think I know his answer already (ridiculous / that
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: dustyvalentino on September 01, 2009, 12:07:18 PM
Kind of wierd that they are happy for us to pay
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: ds1984 on September 01, 2009, 12:23:40 PM
Boycott i-tune!

It's getting to the stage where I want to say "boycott MK".  :-\


It is weird and I wished I would not write that but in all honesty I though "boycott GL". I definitively will happily attend his 2010 show but feeling being somewhat ripped-off when buying the CD... So I will wait for a budget 2CD edition, the standard GL album and the extra disc with all the rest on it  ;D
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: pjh3121 on September 01, 2009, 12:56:31 PM
The whole GL format thing seems like a mess. The vast majority of people are interested in the three, or now four, extra tracks and not the collection of largely useless stocking fillers that fill up the hideously overpriced 'Deluxe Box Set'. It's shocking that this fourth track that's just turned up, Early Bird, is not even in the box set. So, even those shelling out for the box set don't get the full album.  

They should have just had two versions - the 11 track regular CD and a second limited version containing the DVD and the four tracks for around
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Rollergirl on September 01, 2009, 01:04:32 PM
They are indeed making it very complicated.  ::) but the bottom line nobody is forcing anyone to shed 100s of pounds. I was gonna buy the box but I had to spend the money to get my car through its MOT instead, so I won't buy it.

Buy it if you can afford it, if you can't, don't, simple as that.

I am sure those extra bits and pieces will be available in the future, somehow....
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: pjh3121 on September 01, 2009, 01:13:34 PM
They are indeed making it very complicated.  ::) but the bottom line nobody is forcing anyone to shed 100s of pounds. I was gonna buy the box but I had to spend the money to get my car through its MOT instead, so I won't buy it.

Buy it if you can afford it, if you can't, don't, simple as that.

I am sure those extra bits and pieces will be available in the future, somehow....

It's not a matter of being able to afford it or not, it's the principle. I can afford it, but don't see why I should spend
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: ustas on September 01, 2009, 01:17:50 PM
I think it is record label's trick after GL record was stolen and placed on torrents. So people who got digital album before release (for free) have a chance to pay a money.

Also, this song should be b-side on any single from GL if it is released as CD.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: dustyvalentino on September 01, 2009, 01:20:11 PM
They are indeed making it very complicated.  ::) but the bottom line nobody is forcing anyone to shed 100s of pounds. I was gonna buy the box but I had to spend the money to get my car through its MOT instead, so I won't buy it.

Buy it if you can afford it, if you can't, don't, simple as that.

I am sure those extra bits and pieces will be available in the future, somehow....

Sorry, I agree with pjh here. Nobody forced me to buy the singles of Calling Elvis, Heavy Fuel, Darling Pretty, Cannibals or What It Is either, but I was happy to do so as I thought that a few pounds was a reasonable price to pay for the extra tracks.

But the prices for the extra tracks this time are WAY over the top. Approx
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: dustyvalentino on September 01, 2009, 01:22:16 PM
I think it is record label's trick after GL record was stolen and placed on torrents. So people who got digital album before release (for free) have a chance to pay a money.

Sorry, I don't believe this at all. These things don't just happen overnight. MK has to have the track mixed/mastered etc etc and this will have happened ages ago.

In any case, even if it IS true it is a completely futile and pointless gesture as I have absolutely no doubt that the four extra tracks will be available for illegal download on the same site that made Get Lucky available.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: pjh3121 on September 01, 2009, 01:25:30 PM
^ yep.

And now to add insult to injury it turns out that even if you do shell out 80 quid for the box set, you're not even getting all of the commercially available tracks. Pretty poor all round, I think.

There really should be a cheaper option for those who don't want to pay the best part of 100 quid for the four tracks.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Rollergirl on September 01, 2009, 01:35:06 PM
I can afford it, but don't see why I should spend
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: marky49 on September 01, 2009, 01:47:11 PM
I don't want to defend MK here at all, but I'm sure this comes from the record companies. I'm not sure if PC is involved in those decisions.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: ustas on September 01, 2009, 01:59:30 PM
Just from GF forum:

Early Bird?
Nigel Dignum
Norwich. England.

1st September 2009
Q
Hi Guy. Just found out that if you buy 'Get Lucky' on itunes, you get a 12th track titled 'Early Bird', but it's not on the 'Deluxe Box Set' amongst the 3 bonus tracks. Would the Dr, please shed any light on this track, and any chance if you know if it maybe a 'hidden track' on one of the box set cd's. Cheers Nigel BBB     

A
It does indeed exist, one of my favourite tracks of the sessions...a wonderful, unusual work of brilliant MK satire.... Doubtless an iTunes bonus track

 
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: dustyvalentino on September 01, 2009, 02:03:28 PM
I don't want to defend MK here at all, but I'm sure this comes from the record companies. I'm not sure if PC is involved in those decisions.

I'm quite certain that no tracks are released without MK's express permission.

He talks the talk on these things - I remember when the MK Strat came out he said that he wanted them to release a cheaper, Mexican version for people who couldn't afford the full version, still waiting for that one six years later - but he's really not walking the walk.  :-\
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Rollergirl on September 01, 2009, 02:13:21 PM
The tracks need his permission to be released, but how they are released is not up to him, I agree with Martina (sorry  ;D)
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: dustyvalentino on September 01, 2009, 02:16:58 PM
The tracks need his permission to be released, but how they are released is not up to him, I agree with Martina (sorry  ;D)

Sorry, I do not believe this. I believe that MK has complete control over how his music is released. At the very least I am sure he could veto these releases if he wanted to.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: allen on September 01, 2009, 02:18:31 PM
I love this song, the melody, the lyrics, wowowoowowow, can't wait to hear the whole version!!!!!!!!!

Wishes
Allen
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: marky49 on September 01, 2009, 02:27:35 PM
I'm sure MK does not know the release strategy, this is a marketing thing. And we all know already that MK is not interested in those things at all...ask PC. Do you want his email?
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: pjh3121 on September 01, 2009, 02:36:03 PM
I can afford it, but don't see why I should spend
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: ds1984 on September 01, 2009, 02:40:58 PM
I remember in the straits days that the band did support the recording cost of OES allowing them to have full control over the finished product.

Then when STP was out, the UK version got an extra track to prevent UK customers from buying it at cheaper price oversea.

After that the Crowfly release, Mark told that they would be without copy limitation and we got a beautiful DRMised version instead (and after my first and only copy to CD, unexpectably my number left decreased from 10 to only 6 remaining).

And now the cherrish on the cake. Strange for someone who like to control his work to let the record company do these.

Our only power is to boycott all the GL release and let Mark and his management know why some of his fan are pissed off  >:(
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: dustyvalentino on September 01, 2009, 02:46:46 PM
I'm sure MK does not know the release strategy, this is a marketing thing. And we all know already that MK is not interested in those things at all...ask PC. Do you want his email?

Not really, I'm quite certain he wouldn't reply.

So Martina, you honestly believe that MK just says "OK, here's the album. Oh by the way, I've got four extra tracks that didn't make it, release them somehow if you want." ?
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: JeroenvG on September 01, 2009, 02:48:06 PM

Our only power is to boycott all the GL release and let Mark and his management know why some of his fan are pissed off  >:(

It won't help to boycott. If we will boycot this album then by the next album there will be less released then is now. In the end we all will get our hands on all the bonustracks. Maybe on singles or maybe an extra release like we had with The Trawlerman's song EP.

I agree with Martina that this is only a marketing trick and this is too bad it happens. But this has nothing to do with MK himself.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: pjh3121 on September 01, 2009, 02:53:52 PM
Mind you - here we are worried about the four extra tracks when all the time they could well be yet more pleasantly pedestrian folk that you could hear in any Irish theme pub on an accoustic night, if GL and KTGC are anything to go by.

So,  they might not even be worth troubling with  ;).
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: dustyvalentino on September 01, 2009, 03:01:31 PM
Mind you - here we are worried about the four extra tracks when all the time they could well be yet more pleasantly pedestrian folk that you could hear in any Irish theme pub on an accoustic night, if GL and KTGC are anything to go by.

So,  they might not even be worth troubling with  ;).

lol

I'm not serious about boycotting anything (except the box set and the iTunes song, if it involves buying the whole album again in a lossy format), but Jeroen, how can yu say this has nothing to do with MK? How do you know?

Surely the issues over the last few years around videotaping and official live relases have shown that MK is very much in control of what is released in his name.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: dustyvalentino on September 01, 2009, 03:07:30 PM
Regarding the track itself, I've just heard it (thanks Phil!). A brief snippet, but it seems to me that it's about gangster rappers, and making a link with the slave trade of black people in the past?
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: JeroenvG on September 01, 2009, 03:10:01 PM

 but Jeroen, how can yu say this has nothing to do with MK? How do you know?

Surely the issues over the last few years around videotaping and official live relases have shown that MK is very much in control of what is released in his name.

I think that management and record company decide what songs will be on the album and where the other songs will be.
Sure Mark is in control off what will be released but the record company is in control of making as much money as possible.

So if you buy the Deluxe version because of the extra's, the iTunes because of "Early Bird" and a single cd for in your car, the marketing machine has worked.

They suceed in making as much money as possible from you. And that's just because you are a fan and want to have it all. Don't you?
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Best Brown Baggies on September 01, 2009, 03:10:52 PM
I'm not very up with itunes.
Am i right in thinking that you HAVE to buy the whole album to hear 'Early Bird', or can you just buy that individual song?

I thought the whole idea of itunes was that you can buy any individual song that you like for about 79p

Cheers   BBB
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: localhero1986 on September 01, 2009, 03:10:57 PM
Well well well... If the track wasn't to be released nobody would complain about the deluxe edition. Maybe we will never see early bird on a CD but we all know that one way or the other, we're able to download it. ;)
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: pjh3121 on September 01, 2009, 03:16:38 PM
Well well well... If the track wasn't to be released nobody would complain about the deluxe edition. Maybe we will never see easy bird on a CD but we all know that one way or the other, we're able to download it. ;)

And they can't blame people who download it 'one way or the other' when they scatter the tracks across several formats worth almost
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: marky49 on September 01, 2009, 03:22:26 PM
I'm sure MK does not know the release strategy, this is a marketing thing. And we all know already that MK is not interested in those things at all...ask PC. Do you want his email?

Not really, I'm quite certain he wouldn't reply.

So Martina, you honestly believe that MK just says "OK, here's the album. Oh by the way, I've got four extra tracks that didn't make it, release them somehow if you want." ?

Well, PC (or assistant) has always answered my emails.

No, I don't think that is the way how they do it!
First, why are there 'only' 11 songs on the official album? Although MK would like to release - let's say 15 songs. So they decide to select 11 songs and keep some b-side songs as bonus material. The reason? To sell some more copies of course. I guess MK agreed on 15 songs (maybe more, who knows?) and then the record company starts their marketing strategies...it's a matter of selling copies and making money.
I would like to know who decides which song makes it on the album and which not? Is MK involved in this?

But - now this is my concern - if a fan wants to have all new stuff of the GL album, he or she has to buy the album twice. I doubt that and don't be surprised when we talk of piracy again. In a kind of way they support the 'piracy behaviour' here...not too clever! But who said they are clever after all those glitches we had already??

Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Love Expresso on September 01, 2009, 03:34:14 PM
The "Border Reiver" single (download) release has "Cleaning My Gun" as a so-called-bonus-track. I mean it is just another track from the album... ???  Why in heaven did they not put "Early Bird" as a bonus on the "Border Reiver" single release? That would have made a lot of fans download that track, o.k. only for one dollar/euro/pound, but that would be more intelligent in my humble opinion and I would have been very fine with that decision.

Also nearly 10 minutes playing time for three new songs on the bonus CD in the Deluxe edition is really a waste of resources. It seems as a rip-off the same as the whole pricing for the Deluxe box itself.

I however cancelled my Deluxe box order at amazon and will buy the DVD-package edition. At amazon, because once I read that the artists have the least profit from online-sellers. So this is my kind of boycott. And let me quote the poll option from Rollergirl in the other thread: NO WAY, THEY CAN STICK IT WHERE THE SUN DON
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: El Macho on September 01, 2009, 03:36:08 PM
Hi,

I have already seen bonus tracks on Itunes that were hidden tracks on a CD, because if we could buy the track that contains 2  songs for the same price, they would lose money...
But, I've also seen bonus tracks on Itunes thar are not on the CD and you can get only if you buy the whole album... another way to make money....
For the KTGC album, the live version of Boom Like That can be bought separately on ITunes.
And things change from a country to another....
The Brothers In Arms single that was released as a CD two years ago, for a veteran association, is only available in the UK Itunes store...
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Waterline Man on September 01, 2009, 03:39:16 PM
B***x to that,
thats my mind made up,I'm buying the cd for
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: marky49 on September 01, 2009, 03:43:04 PM
The "Border Reiver" single (download) release has "Cleaning My Gun" as a so-called-bonus-track. I mean it is just another track from the album... ???  Why in heaven did they not put "Early Bird" as a bonus on the "Border Reiver" single release? That would have made a lot of fans download that track, o.k. only for one dollar/euro/pound, but that would be more intelligent in my humble opinion and I would have been very fine with that decision.

Also nearly 10 minutes playing time for three new songs on the bonus CD in the Deluxe edition is really a waste of resources. It seems as a rip-off the same as the whole pricing for the Deluxe box itself.

I however cancelled my Deluxe box order at amazon and will buy the DVD-package edition. At amazon, because once I read that the artists have the least profit from online-sellers. So this is my kind of boycott. And let me quote the poll option from Rollergirl in the other thread: NO WAY, THEY CAN STICK IT WHERE THE SUN DON
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: pjh3121 on September 01, 2009, 03:44:12 PM
B***x to that,
thats my mind made up,I'm buying the cd for
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Love Expresso on September 01, 2009, 03:49:33 PM

Only 13000 copies world wide and only for some 'freaks' like us here.


Well, for my part, I am "freaked-out" today.  >:(

LE
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: JeroenvG on September 01, 2009, 03:56:54 PM
If there are 12 people here that really want to have Early Bird then come together and buy the get Lucky album on iTunes.
Then you will pay
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: ds1984 on September 01, 2009, 03:58:56 PM
Martina I am surprised that Mark would not have an "artist clause" in his deal with Mercury. I may be wrong but after all these years, and remember the way OES was done, thinking that Mark has not the last word over the final release is somewhat nonsense for me.

I can't believe that actualy Mark has no power to tell "here is my next album, there 11 songs and I want the first one being this one then that one, etcetera". The Beatles vetoed SPLHCB singles, Led Zeppelin vetoed STH single for some time, Mark seems to let it all go.

There are things he has interest in and others he has not. Sure he can let the record company do what they want with his work but when it turn to put Mark's image under negative lights there is a point where Mark is able to use his artist clause and say them "NO" and let them know he is not happy with what/how they are doing. The deluxe could not be done without his approval, same for the i-tune extra track.

For sure Mark does not decide their marketing strategies but when this turn to go wrong in the end he get responsability if he or the management do nothing to change that.

My "0 cent"








Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: dustyvalentino on September 01, 2009, 04:06:43 PM

First, why are there 'only' 11 songs on the official album? Although MK would like to release - let's say 15 songs. So they decide to select 11 songs and keep some b-side songs as bonus material. The reason? To sell some more copies of course. I guess MK agreed on 15 songs (maybe more, who knows?) and then the record company starts their marketing strategies...it's a matter of selling copies and making money.

No, I think what happens is this.

They work on the songs, and end up with 15. MK, probably in collaboration with GF and CA then decide the running order of the final album. In this case they chose 11, either because the other 4 weren't good enough, or more likely, didn't fit in with the "feel" of the album. MK probably gave permission for the other four tracks to be released, PCM probably said "We're going to release 3 on a box set along with other goodies and 1 as an iTunes exclusive" and MK agreed to it. To be fair to MK, when put this way it sounds reasonable enough, it's only when you start looking at the actual cost that it gets ridiculous.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: marky49 on September 01, 2009, 04:12:08 PM

No, I think what happens is this.

They work on the songs, and end up with 15. MK, probably in collaboration with GF and CA then decide the running order of the final album. In this case they chose 11, either because the other 4 weren't good enough, or more likely, didn't fit in with the "feel" of the album. MK probably gave permission for the other four tracks to be released, PCM probably said "We're going to release 3 on a box set along with other goodies and 1 as an iTunes exclusive" and MK agreed to it. To be fair to MK, when put this way it sounds reasonable enough, it's only when you start looking at the actual cost that it gets ridiculous.

It's possible. But I'm not sure if MK has such a strong say. I hope he has, but we don't know.
The strategy sounds good to me anyway, only for the hardcore fans it gets pricey if you want all the new stuff of the GL album. That's all.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: dustyvalentino on September 01, 2009, 04:13:08 PM
If there are 12 people here that really want to have Early Bird then come together and buy the get Lucky album on iTunes.
Then you will pay
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: marky49 on September 01, 2009, 04:15:34 PM
Martina I am surprised that Mark would not have an "artist clause" in his deal with Mercury. I may be wrong but after all these years, and remember the way OES was done, thinking that Mark has not the last word over the final release is somewhat nonsense for me.

I can't believe that actualy Mark has no power to tell "here is my next album, there 11 songs and I want the first one being this one then that one, etcetera". The Beatles vetoed SPLHCB singles, Led Zeppelin vetoed STH single for some time, Mark seems to let it all go.

There are things he has interest in and others he has not. Sure he can let the record company do what they want with his work but when it turn to put Mark's image under negative lights there is a point where Mark is able to use his artist clause and say them "NO" and let them know he is not happy with what/how they are doing. The deluxe could not be done without his approval, same for the i-tune extra track.

For sure Mark does not decide their marketing strategies but when this turn to go wrong in the end he get responsability if he or the management do nothing to change that.

My "0 cent"



It would be really interesting to know the details of his contract. But we won't get them. One guy once told me that his solo contract is not that strong at all...
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: JeroenvG on September 01, 2009, 04:17:29 PM
If there are 12 people here that really want to have Early Bird then come together and buy the get Lucky album on iTunes.
Then you will pay
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: dustyvalentino on September 01, 2009, 04:21:21 PM
I don't know because you keep it to those 12 people. There is no restriction on how many times you can burn a cd through iTunes.

Then somebody could download Get Lucky once, burn it to CD 100 times and sell them at a local market, saying that you are merely splitting the cost, same thing no?
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: El Macho on September 01, 2009, 04:33:42 PM
If there's no DRM (Itunes Plus), you can burn the CD as many times you want, and listen to it on as my computers or Ipods you want...
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: ds1984 on September 01, 2009, 04:40:58 PM

It would be really interesting to know the details of his contract. But we won't get them. One guy once told me that his solo contract is not that strong at all...

I don't know no sales figure for his solo albums (I bet KTGC being one of the lowest with TRD) but I can easily imagine that Mark would have more power to negociate if it was for a Dire Straits recording contract. I guess he has probably earned enough money just to concentrate only on the music he wants to record and play and don't fight with Mercury.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: dustyvalentino on September 01, 2009, 05:01:16 PM
If there's no DRM (Itunes Plus), you can burn the CD as many times you want, and listen to it on as my computers or Ipods you want...


Yes, but legally I believe only the person who purchased the track from iTunes can do that.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: ustas on September 01, 2009, 05:08:10 PM
Hmmm. Do not like losses music, prefer CD/SACD and vinyl. But record label does not offer me any choice: here in Russia iTunes store does not provide with songs, just iPhone/iPod apps. So I have one way to get song - to download this song illegal with clear soul. My respect to Universal Music, it  is good policy  ;D
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: IrisRose on September 01, 2009, 05:17:03 PM
I'll buy the thing, if I can ever find the url.   It's not on itunes usa.   And I'll make my seven legal copies. . . . . . . . . . . .and do with them what I want.   
I've read through five pages of almost overnight posts, reading one theory after another.  The bottom line is that it's a cheezy thing to do to loyal fans who buy tickets for multiple concerts, buy everything published, start and participate in MK forums, scrounge through ebay for anything MK.     I don't know who is making the money, and I'm disappointed that MK either doesn't know or doesn't care.     
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Justme on September 01, 2009, 05:26:55 PM
What a rip-off! I'll buy the releases of Glass & Never Told A Soul (http://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?topic=747.0;topicseen) and I'll start to support some local musicians over here instead of buying any 'Deluxe' packages.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: goldenheart96 on September 01, 2009, 06:16:23 PM

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But - now this is my concern - if a fan wants to have all new stuff of the GL album, he or she has to buy the album twice. I doubt that and don't be surprised when we talk of piracy again. In a kind of way they support the 'piracy behaviour' here...not too clever! But who said they are clever after all those glitches we had already??

Which is exactly what MK tried to prevent so hard when obsessing over the video/photography/soundboard recording thing last year! Now he is encouraging all those evil bootleggers/pirates. Oh, the irony...
The thing is, I had a bad conscience back then and boycotted all those video bootlegs. I didn't even watch them at youtube. And now I say: To hell with that. How sad is this?
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: pjh3121 on September 01, 2009, 06:35:17 PM
All this could be solved by simply offering a special/limited double CD with the four extra tracks on it. Actually, as the three tracks on the deluxe set only come to under ten minutes (and the other one not much longer I guess) then there probably isn't even any need for a second CD.

This would mean that people who didn't want to fork out for a boxfull of useless memorabillia, which they'd probably take out of the box and look at once, would get the tracks simply and legally.

It's probably too late for the double CD idea, but it's certainly not too late to make them available as an EP or download. Then perhaps some dignity could be salvaged from this sorry, money grabbing mess.

Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: IrisRose on September 01, 2009, 07:35:19 PM
I hope that some one at PCM or the record companies is tuned in and listening.   
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: FenderBender on September 01, 2009, 08:23:35 PM
Loved Guy's reply to a question from Martina about the release strategy of the new songs: "Well these decisions are mad by label, management and artist."

Yes, I know he probably just accidentally missed an e. Or maybe it wasn't so accidental  ;)
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: dmg on September 01, 2009, 08:34:07 PM
Whoever's to blame, one thing's for sure and that is the record company is going to make more money.  Very canny of them to announce the release of the box set before this though and now lots of fans have this on order.  Well you know what they say:  the early bird catches the worm! ::)
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: marky49 on September 01, 2009, 09:03:24 PM
Loved Guy's reply to a question from Martina about the release strategy of the new songs: "Well these decisions are mad by label, management and artist."

Yes, I know he probably just accidentally missed an e. Or maybe it wasn't so accidental  ;)

Wow, quite an honest answer to my question, especially when you consider it is done in public view:
GF: "Well these decisions are mad by label, management and artist. Without wishing to appear to be side-stepping an issue, there's really not a lot I can say, or do."

So Dusty, we were both right!
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: rygman on September 02, 2009, 05:55:12 AM
I don't know what to make of all this....we have been clamoring for bonus material for literally years. Now it has arrived and we say it's a ripoff?? It's just marketing--it is sort of a ripoff but that's one of consequences of effective marketing--it makes you buy things more than once. Back in the days of cd singles, 12' versions, etc. many bands marketed the crap out of their songs--and the hard core fans bought ANYTHING that had ANYTHING they didn't already have on it. Even if it was just a two minute song, or if it had a different cover, etc.

I'm not saying it's sensible, fandom is borderline maniacal. But, can you blame record companies or artists for trying to exploit that? Does anyone think spending $40 or so for a concert t-shirt is a good value? In this age of easy internet downloads we are spoiled and we know we can just go ahead and steal nearly anything we want. It's convenient but sad....I can't imagine being an artist like MK and reading all of these reviews of a new cd that you know no one paid a cent for, they all stole it and then couldn't even wait to post their opinions on it.

I won't buy the deluxe box set or whatever it is because it's not a good value. I might buy the iTunes download (if it's even available in the US) because ten bucks or so for one new MK bonus song is worth it--to me, anyway. I already have a priceless collection of MK's live concerts, b-sides, demos, you name it. I paid nothing for most of it, it was supplied by other MK Knuts. Just because all that was free doesn't mean that I shouldn't pay for the new music that (thankfully) MK is creating.

Don't get me wrong, I agree the price seems way too high. But we asked--even begged for some STUFF. Now it's here, even if it's not exactly what we asked for. Enjoy the music!!!

Keep Knopflerin'   ;)
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: dustyvalentino on September 02, 2009, 10:32:14 AM
I don't know what to make of all this....we have been clamoring for bonus material for literally years. Now it has arrived and we say it's a ripoff?? It's just marketing--it is sort of a ripoff but that's one of consequences of effective marketing--it makes you buy things more than once. Back in the days of cd singles, 12' versions, etc. many bands marketed the crap out of their songs--and the hard core fans bought ANYTHING that had ANYTHING they didn't already have on it. Even if it was just a two minute song, or if it had a different cover, etc.

I'm not saying it's sensible, fandom is borderline maniacal. But, can you blame record companies or artists for trying to exploit that? Does anyone think spending $40 or so for a concert t-shirt is a good value? In this age of easy internet downloads we are spoiled and we know we can just go ahead and steal nearly anything we want. It's convenient but sad....I can't imagine being an artist like MK and reading all of these reviews of a new cd that you know no one paid a cent for, they all stole it and then couldn't even wait to post their opinions on it.

I won't buy the deluxe box set or whatever it is because it's not a good value. I might buy the iTunes download (if it's even available in the US) because ten bucks or so for one new MK bonus song is worth it--to me, anyway. I already have a priceless collection of MK's live concerts, b-sides, demos, you name it. I paid nothing for most of it, it was supplied by other MK Knuts. Just because all that was free doesn't mean that I shouldn't pay for the new music that (thankfully) MK is creating.

Don't get me wrong, I agree the price seems way too high. But we asked--even begged for some STUFF. Now it's here, even if it's not exactly what we asked for. Enjoy the music!!!

Keep Knopflerin'   ;)

Yes, I know what you are saying, and I'm certainly happy that there will be 15 songs available instead of 11.

But the way they've gone about making the additional material available is unacceptable in my opinion, yes they have to make a profit, but this is a step too far.

And I'm afraid your argument that "we get lots of bootlegs for free so we should be happy to pay
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Mossguitar on September 02, 2009, 10:47:32 AM
If there's no DRM (Itunes Plus), you can burn the CD as many times you want, and listen to it on as my computers or Ipods you want...


Yes, but legally I believe only the person who purchased the track from iTunes can do that.

Dusty is right about the law here. The owner of the original copy (the cd, mp3 file etc) can legally make copies for himself and to members of his household, but not to others, lilke friends, relatives, collegues, strangers, fellow Knutties etc.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Love Expresso on September 02, 2009, 11:14:05 AM
I don't know what to make of all this....we have been clamoring for bonus material for literally years. Now it has arrived and we say it's a ripoff?? It's just marketing--it is sort of a ripoff but that's one of consequences of effective marketing--
Hey, Rygman,

nice post!  And I understand what you mean. BUT: If there wasn
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Fletch on September 02, 2009, 01:24:04 PM
I don't know what to make of all this....we have been clamoring for bonus material for literally years. Now it has arrived and we say it's a ripoff?? It's just marketing--it is sort of a ripoff but that's one of consequences of effective marketing--it makes you buy things more than once. Back in the days of cd singles, 12' versions, etc. many bands marketed the crap out of their songs--and the hard core fans bought ANYTHING that had ANYTHING they didn't already have on it. Even if it was just a two minute song, or if it had a different cover, etc.

I'm not saying it's sensible, fandom is borderline maniacal. But, can you blame record companies or artists for trying to exploit that? Does anyone think spending $40 or so for a concert t-shirt is a good value? In this age of easy internet downloads we are spoiled and we know we can just go ahead and steal nearly anything we want. It's convenient but sad....I can't imagine being an artist like MK and reading all of these reviews of a new cd that you know no one paid a cent for, they all stole it and then couldn't even wait to post their opinions on it.

I won't buy the deluxe box set or whatever it is because it's not a good value. I might buy the iTunes download (if it's even available in the US) because ten bucks or so for one new MK bonus song is worth it--to me, anyway. I already have a priceless collection of MK's live concerts, b-sides, demos, you name it. I paid nothing for most of it, it was supplied by other MK Knuts. Just because all that was free doesn't mean that I shouldn't pay for the new music that (thankfully) MK is creating.

Don't get me wrong, I agree the price seems way too high. But we asked--even begged for some STUFF. Now it's here, even if it's not exactly what we asked for. Enjoy the music!!!

Keep Knopflerin'   ;)

I can relate to all this - makes sense. I have bought next to nothing (a dozen selected tracks from itunes) from MK solo career, but from the `freebies` i`ve obtained its the rare b-side stuff that i like the most!
I feel the pain of you hard core fans - in this day and age you should be able to buy one honest to god cd with everything on it. Deluxe sets etc, should be loaded with dvds and live outakes not bonus songs.

Follow the advice on the brothers in arms album folks - Why Worry? Get what you want, however you want. MK will still be well off, the record company won`t go bust and the world will keep spinning.
No disrespect to the artist intended- i personally will pay a fortune when Alchemy is re-released,  because i WANT it! :)
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Fletch on September 02, 2009, 01:25:58 PM
BTW - whos to say all these "bonus" songs WON`T be released as B-sides to future singles????

We`re all just too quick for infomation these days, i feel.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: schmonka on September 02, 2009, 01:31:46 PM
BTW - whos to say all these "bonus" songs WON`T be released as B-sides to future singles????

We`re all just too quick for infomation these days, i feel.

Future Singles...yeah like they happen...! :'(
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: localhero1986 on September 02, 2009, 01:58:54 PM
There will come a day when they call CD singles "vintage" and sell them for the same price as a normal CD. ;)
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: dustyvalentino on September 02, 2009, 02:32:55 PM
BTW - whos to say all these "bonus" songs WON`T be released as B-sides to future singles????

We`re all just too quick for infomation these days, i feel.

CD singles are pretty much obsolete these days. Sad but true I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: ds1984 on September 02, 2009, 02:37:11 PM

Dusty is right about the law here. The owner of the original copy (the cd, mp3 file etc) can legally make copies for himself and to members of his household, but not to others, lilke friends, relatives, collegues, strangers, fellow Knutties etc.

In France, making a private copy for a close friend is...legal

http://www.feral-avocats.com/fr/nos-publications/articles_de_presse/20071/375.html (http://www.feral-avocats.com/fr/nos-publications/articles_de_presse/20071/375.html)
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: IrisRose on September 03, 2009, 05:43:33 AM
Would some one share the url of the itunes page that offers the pre-order or whatever.   Yes, as much as I'm grumping about it, I'll buy it, as I said.   That is, if I can.   I'll make my own compilation of all 15 (or will that be 16) tracks.   
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: marky49 on September 03, 2009, 07:34:31 AM
Would some one share the url of the itunes page that offers the pre-order or whatever.   Yes, as much as I'm grumping about it, I'll buy it, as I said.   That is, if I can.   I'll make my own compilation of all 15 (or will that be 16) tracks.   

Go to http://www.apple.com/itunes/ and download iTunes if you have not done yet. Once installed scroll down in iTunes Store and select your store (various countries available). I saw 'Get Lucky' on the Espana and Netherlands store, when selected search for 'Get Lucky' in right upper corner. But it is only in pre-order status at the mo.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: IrisRose on September 03, 2009, 08:50:06 AM
I do use iTunes, but Get Lucky is not visible from the USA.   I hope that's only temporary.   
Thanks for the url, Martina.    :)
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Mossguitar on September 03, 2009, 04:47:36 PM

Dusty is right about the law here. The owner of the original copy (the cd, mp3 file etc) can legally make copies for himself and to members of his household, but not to others, lilke friends, relatives, collegues, strangers, fellow Knutties etc.

In France, making a private copy for a close friend is...legal

http://www.feral-avocats.com/fr/nos-publications/articles_de_presse/20071/375.html (http://www.feral-avocats.com/fr/nos-publications/articles_de_presse/20071/375.html)
He-he, how do you measure how close the friendship is?  ;) The reason behind copyright law is to minimize loss in the artists income. If you distribute copies outside the houshold, it's a potential loss to the artist. Anyway, you may be right about French copyright law, I can't read French I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: ds1984 on September 03, 2009, 06:09:03 PM
The "droit d'auteur" was invented several centuries ago mainly to primarirly protect the creator (writer, composer) against abusive position of producers or editor. In other words this is also to ensure that each time Mercury sell a copy of GL, Mark Knopfler will get some money from them. This had nothing to do with the end consummer - and for sure it was before that we were able to make personal duplication. The french law does not allow you to make 100 copies as it would turns you then into counterfacting, or give them to anybody. Where is the limit? The law does not stipulate a figure, so it will depend of the tribunal. And there is also one big restriction : the "exception au droit d'auteur pour copie priv
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: allen on September 04, 2009, 01:16:21 PM
This 30 sec snippet has been chosen to be my ring tune of this year.   8)

Wishes
Allen
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Mossguitar on September 05, 2009, 09:12:53 AM


The counterpart is that each time we buy blank media (tape, cdr, dvd-r, hard disk, memory flash, cell phones...) we pay a tax that goes to artists and producers and is meant as a compensation for the loss of sale.


The reason for this is not to make copying legal, but to compensate the artists potential loss because it increases the risk of illegal copying.

Copying for personal/private use is legal. What varies around the world, is the interpretation of the term "personal/private use". But I don't think it's relevant how close the friendship is.

Yes, I know the droit d'auteur.

 :)
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: ds1984 on September 06, 2009, 01:13:42 AM


The counterpart is that each time we buy blank media (tape, cdr, dvd-r, hard disk, memory flash, cell phones...) we pay a tax that goes to artists and producers and is meant as a compensation for the loss of sale.


The reason for this is not to make copying legal, but to compensate the artists potential loss because it increases the risk of illegal copying.



On that point I can say you that you are wrong : there is no compensation for illegal copying only for legal copying.

French highest juridiction had invalidated the "Comission d'Alby" decision for this exact reason. "Comission d'Alby" is in charge of determinate the tax value and  they had incorporated in their calcul the piracy losses factor. But the Conseil Constitutionnel said that this calcul was totally illegal and that should be based only on legal copying and therefore should not count in illegal downloading.


Copying for personal/private use is legal. What varies around the world, is the interpretation of the term "personal/private use". But I don't think it's relevant how close the friendship is.

Yes, I know the droit d'auteur.

 :)


This is exactly what was surprising in the link I posted because of the interpretation of the written law by the "Cours d'Appel" :

"Les juges d
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Mossguitar on September 08, 2009, 12:22:23 AM
According to copyright law most places (but clearly not in France anymore), legal copying will not result in loss in the artist income (theoretically). An artist can never expect to sell more than one example of a piece of art to each customer for his own use. So if you buy a record, it would be no problem for the artist if you made ten or twenty copies for your own use, since private copying would never result in a loss that needs to be compensated. On the other hand: If you give away a home made copy as a present to a friend, the artist looses a potential buyer. That's his potential loss. Since blank tapes, CD-R's etc make it possible to distribute the music outside the houshold, it could result in a loss for the artist. Hence the tax.

In short: legal copying should not result in loss, therefore no comensation needed. Blanks increas the risk of illegal copying, therefor a need for comensation. Hence the need for tax on the blanks.

Anyway, I'm learning a lot here. Thanks, ds1984!

I guess it's still like this most places, but strangely enough IMO, not in France.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: JeroenvG on September 11, 2009, 08:52:42 AM
Early bird can be sold apart from the cd for
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Chardonnay on September 11, 2009, 09:35:45 AM
Just bought Early Bird from I Tunes. :)


Great Song ;)
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: dustyvalentino on September 11, 2009, 10:38:47 AM
Brilliant news. Will buy it tonight (aasuming I can buy it in Britain).
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: schmonka on September 11, 2009, 10:52:09 AM
I agree - its a worthy addition (which should IMHO) have been on the album in the first place!! >:(
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: JeroenvG on September 11, 2009, 11:10:26 AM
Just like the song that you can hear on the DvD were Mark and Band Members are recording backing vocals.

I think the song is called Time In The Sun. I did asked Guy about it.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: pjh3121 on September 11, 2009, 11:17:20 AM
Just bought Early Bird from I Tunes. :)


Great Song ;)

Can you tell me how to buy it, please ? I've got UK iTunes but I hear you have to go onto another country's store. I can't work out how to do that...
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Love Expresso on September 11, 2009, 11:19:24 AM
Well, I bought in in Germany as well.
Great tune, 5:36 long, interesting! Should have been on the record, very original music:
First lines of the lyrics:


Got no books in my house
got no time for those
no room in my closets
closets full of clothes
garage full of wheels, babe
boathouse full of boat
the life style I deal, babe
that
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: schmonka on September 11, 2009, 12:25:22 PM
Just bought Early Bird from I Tunes. :)


Great Song ;)

Can you tell me how to buy it, please ? I've got UK iTunes but I hear you have to go onto another country's store. I can't work out how to do that...

Sadly this is beyond impossible.

if you have a UK itunes account you CAN go to the itunes store of another country - to do this scroll right down to the bottom of the itunes screen and there is an option to change store - you can then select the country store you would like...

as for buying stuff from another itunes country store - you CANT do it - its something to do with stupid music companies and bank details of the country your in - its annoyed me for ages - but it cant be done.....
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: dustyvalentino on September 11, 2009, 12:30:17 PM
So is Early Bird on iTunes UK or not?
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: dmg on September 11, 2009, 12:53:41 PM
Just found this site:

http://german.about.com/library/blmusik_itunes1.htm

Not tried it myself yet and it is American based so it may not work, but we can but try.  Clutching at straws at the minute! :-\
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: pjh3121 on September 11, 2009, 01:01:31 PM
What a farce. This is what happens when you start farting about with different versions in different countries.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: schmonka on September 11, 2009, 01:12:45 PM
So is Early Bird on iTunes UK or not?

When i checked some days ago it wasnt - but if you change countries to say the netherlands it is - as the americans would say " go figure?"

Ill be ckecking my UK itunes when i get in - but i suspect ill be dissapointed....... >:(
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: dmg on September 11, 2009, 01:18:55 PM
What a farce. This is what happens when you start farting about with different versions in different countries.

I've never used the iTunes Store before in my life but I thought one could just use ones initiative if one has a different version. :-\
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: schmonka on September 11, 2009, 01:28:28 PM
What a farce. This is what happens when you start farting about with different versions in different countries.

I've never used the iTunes Store before in my life but I thought one could just use ones initiative if one has a different version. :-\

The major scuppering point for buying songs from other countries itunes - is that the other countries itunes checks things like IP addresses and also looks for a bank account in that country to obtain the funds from to buy the track your trying to buy and surprise surprise - you have a UK IP address and a UK bank account and the whole process falls over - ive read itunes forums with people who have even resorted to setting up foreign bank accounts to try to secure the music they want.....
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Fletch on September 11, 2009, 01:32:23 PM
Just posted in the wrong thread!!! :P

Early Bird available from the Aussie itunes store now as well.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: dustyvalentino on September 11, 2009, 01:39:01 PM
The major scuppering point for buying songs from other countries itunes - is that the other countries itunes checks things like IP addresses and also looks for a bank account in that country to obtain the funds from to buy the track your trying to buy and surprise surprise - you have a UK IP address and a UK bank account and the whole process falls over - ive read itunes forums with people who have even resorted to setting up foreign bank accounts to try to secure the music they want.....

Jesus, what a load of crap. "Dear Mr iTunes, I want to give you my money." "No thanks, you're not Belgian."

Again, these companies wonder why people resort to illegal dowloading? Idiots.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Jules on September 11, 2009, 01:55:12 PM
In spain is not possible  :'(

its really frustrating when you try to buy something but you can
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: rudiger on September 11, 2009, 02:11:25 PM
simply ridiculous  :-X
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Jules on September 11, 2009, 02:43:43 PM
What is even more ridiculous is that I can
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Rollergirl on September 11, 2009, 04:53:10 PM
. "Dear Mr iTunes, I want to give you my money." "No thanks, you're not Belgian."

 ;D

I can't buy it either from Sweden...... testicles!
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Waterline Man on September 11, 2009, 05:09:53 PM

I can't buy it either from Sweden...... testicles!
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What,you want to buy testicles in Sweden :o :o :o ::) ::)
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: schmonka on September 11, 2009, 05:12:50 PM
What is even more ridiculous is that I can
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Rollergirl on September 11, 2009, 05:21:27 PM

I can't buy it either from Sweden...... testicles!

What,you want to buy testicles in Sweden :o :o :o ::) ::)
[/quote]

I was gonna write BOLLOCKS but thought I would be polite  ;D. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to write it


I just had a brainwave. (doesn't happen often  ;D)  Could it be that it is available to buy on its own in the Netherlands and Aussie because the album is out in those countries? And that on preorder only the whole album is available?
We'll find out on Monday!
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Waterline Man on September 11, 2009, 05:28:57 PM
Being honest with you RG 8), I think that the whole lot of it is a load of b****x - if its on itunes then that should be the end of it no matter what country youre in,just go in & buy it end of story - this is 2009 is'nt it?????.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: ustas on September 11, 2009, 06:49:00 PM
Dear friends,

DO NOT panic . Could you live without Early Bird during several monthes? I was living without Kingdom Come 15 years, nothing serious  ;D

I think some Maxi CD or EP with non-album songs will see the light. If not, it will be trouble for record label, not for us ;D
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: dustyvalentino on September 11, 2009, 08:38:48 PM
Well, I just checked UK iTunes and there's no sign of Get Lucky or Early Bird. But of course the album isn't released here until Monday, so maybe we'll get it then.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: ingridswing on September 11, 2009, 09:56:28 PM
I downloaded it here in Holland. But our releasedate was September 11th.
And happy, I didn't have to order the whole album again. Last week it looks like we have to download the album to have just one song.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Love Expresso on September 12, 2009, 12:26:31 AM

Must have heard it about 20 times today!

I just looooove the line "Boathouse full of boat".....

LE
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Rollergirl on September 12, 2009, 04:59:45 PM
did you guys see that TK has put a link on MKNews to download it? Thanks TK! I am listening to it right now!
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: allen on September 12, 2009, 05:13:56 PM
No idea why he did that, and it's in flac format.  Did he break the law?

Wishes
Allen
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Rollergirl on September 12, 2009, 05:17:44 PM
Dunno, I found it strange too! But it's an official site, so I suppose he got the green light to do it. ????

Great song !
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Love Expresso on September 12, 2009, 05:33:37 PM
Great, so I spent my 0,99
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Rollergirl on September 12, 2009, 05:34:52 PM
We'll do a collection so we can get your money back  ;D I am willing to donate
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: superval99 on September 12, 2009, 05:35:02 PM
Thanks, Terry!     :)
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: allen on September 12, 2009, 05:37:31 PM
Money for nothing and everything's free.  :P
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Love Expresso on September 12, 2009, 05:43:18 PM
Well, I was just kiddin
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: IrisRose on September 12, 2009, 05:44:16 PM
I looked last night in USA iTunes, and couldn't find any thing.   What's up with this?   It's ridiculous!
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: allen on September 12, 2009, 05:51:41 PM

Now I wish the three bonus songs would turn up also the same way...

LE

MKNews website has been hacked ?  :o   Now I wish the dvd would turn up also in the same way, too...
Too many Kiddings.   But hey, it's official website, why a link to that place?   Unbelievable.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Rollergirl on September 12, 2009, 05:54:26 PM
Yes, very strange.

I guess we'll soon find out.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: pjh3121 on September 12, 2009, 06:09:10 PM
Where is it on MK News ? I can't see it. Thanks.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: allen on September 12, 2009, 06:14:14 PM
http://www.mark-knopfler-news.co.uk/news.html

Get lucky section:

Mark talks about Get Lucky

Download the extra iTunes track Early Bird

Get Lucky promo pics

Listen to Get Lucky

Listen to Border Reiver

Pre-order Get Lucky from mk.com

15 min audio interview about Get Lucky on amazon

(updated: 10/09/09)
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: pjh3121 on September 12, 2009, 06:17:53 PM
http://www.mark-knopfler-news.co.uk/news.html

Get lucky section:

Mark talks about Get Lucky

Download the extra iTunes track Early Bird

Get Lucky promo pics

Listen to Get Lucky

Listen to Border Reiver

Pre-order Get Lucky from mk.com

15 min audio interview about Get Lucky on amazon

(updated: 10/09/09)

Thank you and xie xie !
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: ustas on September 12, 2009, 06:20:49 PM
31Mb FLAC file, a quality should be better than iTunes AAC 256K file. Isn't it?
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: dmg on September 12, 2009, 06:35:39 PM
31Mb FLAC file, a quality should be better than iTunes AAC 256K file. Isn't it?

56.5 MB when converted to wav.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: JeroenvG on September 12, 2009, 06:49:17 PM
? ? Very strange ? ?

It is strange to see it ends up at MkNews.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: IrisRose on September 12, 2009, 07:41:29 PM
Strange, but good.   :)
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: holaknopfler on September 12, 2009, 07:53:53 PM
the link is gone! i downloaded it this afternoon, and now it`s gone ???
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Justme on September 12, 2009, 08:00:35 PM
Argh, too late! But to be honest, I can't even believe that TK did that.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: holaknopfler on September 12, 2009, 08:12:00 PM
I have the link, it still works, drop me a mail/pm if you want it, not too sure if I may give you the link by now, what do you think folks? ;)
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Justme on September 12, 2009, 08:17:05 PM
Thanks for the possible offer, but I'm afraid I cannot tell you If I'd risk the d/l!
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Best Brown Baggies on September 12, 2009, 08:22:30 PM
BUGGER.!!!!!!!!!!!!

I missed the chance to download it. :( :'( >:(

Can anyone help me. :'(

Cheers   BBB
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: koobaa on September 12, 2009, 08:23:11 PM
I was too late.
That does not make any sense. Seems like the site got hacked otherwise I can't see the reason why would it be on the official site for few hours for only those fans who 'got lucky'.
...or maybe that was supposed to be like that? "You might get lucky now and then..."  ???
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: emilianomk on September 12, 2009, 08:24:30 PM
BUGGER.!!!!!!!!!!!!

I missed the chance to download it. :( :'( >:(

Can anyone help me. :'(

Cheers   BBB

Yeah im the the same situation please!
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: holaknopfler on September 12, 2009, 08:25:16 PM
i`m not sure if I could send the links, I`m gonna send TK an email. I let you know when I have an answer, for now; I`m not going to send the links because i`m not sure if its legal or not.;)
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: emilianomk on September 12, 2009, 08:27:03 PM
ohhh men, I sure you didnt ask yourself the same question when you download it heheh
well , lets wait
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: koobaa on September 12, 2009, 08:28:37 PM
I bet the links were not posted by TK... That would be at least strange.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: holaknopfler on September 12, 2009, 08:30:46 PM
I bet the links were not posted by TK... That would be at least strange.
Yeah, that is true, i`m waiting for terrys answer!
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Pottel on September 12, 2009, 08:42:01 PM
...and the mystery goes on...
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Fletch on September 13, 2009, 07:44:13 AM
Is it just me that thinks Early Bird is one of the best songs on the album (if it can be classed that way) ?

Would`ve made a great first single release - quirky, mid tempo, catchy nice groove, a rhythmic wah wah guitar... ah!
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: shangri la 1 on September 13, 2009, 08:14:21 AM
 :) No Fletch I agree. I think it is a great track. Nice guitar licks and sime good tempo changes. Real catchy groove. No need to let it grow it's great on first play.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Love Expresso on September 13, 2009, 09:01:13 AM
I bet the links were not posted by TK... That would be at least strange.
Yeah, that is true, i`m waiting for terrys answer!

Terry put a new information online.
Quote
A bonus track not on the CD, Early Bird, can be downloaded from iTunes. Please note: earlier today an download link for this track was posted here. It was sent to MKNews by a normally reliable source but turned out to be to an unofficial download and so the link was removed.

LE
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: ustas on September 13, 2009, 09:16:16 AM
...... It was sent to MKNews by a normally reliable source but turned out to be to an unofficial download and so the link was removed.

LE

nonsense ???
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: allen on September 13, 2009, 09:19:56 AM
Make no sense.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: dustyvalentino on September 13, 2009, 09:21:00 AM
Sounds dubious to say the least.

With mk.com releasing the album early, and mk-news making pirate copies of Early Bird available, it seems we are the only forum which respects MK's rights and ensures that no official material is made available for download.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: holaknopfler on September 13, 2009, 10:15:34 AM
I recieved this answer from terry: The person who sent me the link forgot to inform me it was an unofficial download and as such I can't have it on the site.
With respect to Mark, I think I can`t post the links here that wouldn`t be nice because it`s not official.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: pjh3121 on September 13, 2009, 10:28:49 AM
I think they should definitely have stuck Early Bird on the general release album.

It would have gone down well as the second to last track and would have provided some relief from the overkill of folk with Clyde and Piper being next to each other at the end.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: dustyvalentino on September 13, 2009, 11:05:25 AM
It's an excellent track, but I don't think it fits in with the "feel" of the album. Correct decision to offer it as a bonus.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: dustyvalentino on September 13, 2009, 11:06:47 AM
PS I've only listened to it twice, and Dusty Jr had the TV on so I couldn't hear it that well, but is it about Simon Cowell?
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Love Expresso on September 13, 2009, 11:09:13 AM
I was just about to ask about this "Simon" from "England". So I can google it now. Great info! Thanks.
Of course Mark would never confirm this and would keep the meaning absolutely in general instead... ;)

LE
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: dustyvalentino on September 13, 2009, 11:20:42 AM
If so, it's ironic that Matt Rollins was working at Simon Cowell's house this week. :)
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Rollergirl on September 13, 2009, 12:07:14 PM
It's an excellent track, but I don't think it fits in with the "feel" of the album. Correct decision to offer it as a bonus.

Yeah, I agree
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Justme on September 13, 2009, 12:55:50 PM
So I begin to wonder if the TK version is the only available lossless version of the song? Isn't Itunes restricted to mp3 or another 'lossy' apple format?
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: isina on September 13, 2009, 12:56:52 PM
Hi friends, I read almost any post on this thread and I'm glad to read that a lof of fans are a little pi***d off with the whole tracks release thing.
I have a pc, a Creative mp3 player and I have no intention to kill my pc installing iTunes just to buy a lossy version of an album that I already have on a lovely CD just to heara bonus track on a lossy format too.
And my thoughts go to all those who bought the Deluxe edition which costs A LOT (I didn't buy it) and now they're missing songs anyway.
Marketing people have only money in their minds, but they must start thinking that people nowadays haveto go to work, pay the rent and eat before giving away "money for nothing".
I'll live anyway without listening Earlly bird...
I'd really love to go back to the old days when you had cd or cassette and that's all.
Now we have a bunch of things that we pay for and less quality.

Oh, of course this is my thought and it's about ALL modern music biz, not just to MK releases.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Jules on September 13, 2009, 02:03:14 PM
It
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Pottel on September 13, 2009, 02:13:49 PM
i love it.
wonder who the "reliable source" was
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: superval99 on September 13, 2009, 02:21:18 PM
I love it too.  It's a really catchy song.    :D
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Rollergirl on September 13, 2009, 02:54:42 PM
PS I've only listened to it twice, and Dusty Jr had the TV on so I couldn't hear it that well, but is it about Simon Cowell?

Jerry Springer, Simon Cowell, who's next, Oprah?  ;D

That guy watches too much crappy TV if you ask me... ;D
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: niiiice1 on September 13, 2009, 05:31:56 PM
hmph I  got the Uk cd/dvd edition and only now i find out about a new track? that's a shocker...
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: localhero1986 on September 13, 2009, 05:40:50 PM
I have early bird as well. Somewhere I found the lossless audio file but I can't remember where it was. ::) ;) As I hate flac files, they're pretty useless (especially the crappy bootlegs which are offered as flac, why?), I converted it into a nice Mp3. It is a nice song and I completely understand people download it the illegal way (if iTunes is the only possibility).
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: emilianomk on September 13, 2009, 06:21:55 PM
I am the only one that didnt have it? come on guys some one can send me a p.m... I live in argentina, I doubt the cd is realesed here and early bird isnt able in a online shop, mark wont come here to play , I didnt know anyone here that likes mark knopfler so I havent any person to give the link, its only for me
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Tally on September 13, 2009, 09:10:41 PM
I haven't heard either Early Bird or the rest of the album, but all this stuff about songs not fitting on albums is mostly bull#%#&% I think. For the most part, it has simply meant leaving up tempo songs, such as Pyroman and Summer of Love, out of Mark's solo albums, though the albums would only have benefitted from their being on the records. Some examples are simply incomprehensible, like Small Potatoes, a song that would have fitted perfectly on RPD and had given it some extra, though laid back, attack. While there are merits in an album like RPD, with its particular sound, albums like SL and KTGC suffer heavily from their slow tempo.

GH is perhaps a collection of songs rather than an album, which some people have a problem with, but I rather have the drawback of being forced to leave out certain tunes that I don't appreciate when listening to albums than to have all this great material floating around in No Man's Land.

The Long Highway, Camerado, Gravy Train... The list goes on. Good music is good music. Push the album length above 60 minutes, man!
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: dustyvalentino on September 13, 2009, 09:41:00 PM
I disagree. I think a good album has to have a good "feel".

If it was just about having the best songs, then all the best albums would be greatest hits, wouldn't they? But they're not. A good album is so much more than the some of its parts. That's why the greatest albums, whether it's Dark Side of the Moon, Sgt Pepper's or Making Movies, all flow together and work well.

Much more satisfying to listen to a great album than a collection of great songs IMO.

GH works as an album I feel. STP is a better collection of songs than GH, but the songs are too diverse to work as an album.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Mossguitar on September 13, 2009, 09:54:30 PM
Yes, I agree with you, Dusty.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: ustas on September 13, 2009, 09:59:01 PM
hmph I  got the Uk cd/dvd edition and only now i find out about a new track? that's a shocker...

New TRACKS http://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?topic=790.0
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Justme on September 13, 2009, 10:09:37 PM
Hm, I love GL for the feel. At first sight, certain songs doesn't seem to fit in. But as someone said earlier, they serve as a counterpart to the very sad songs. I tend to agree wholeheartedly.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Tally on September 13, 2009, 10:49:52 PM
I would say that RPD is the Knopfler album with the strongest 'feel', from the beginning to the end. But it would be even better with Small Potatoes. Summer of Love is also a tune that would have fitted lyrically and soundwise on the album from which it was left out.

Not so sure about Making Movies... Les Boys?
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: localhero1986 on September 13, 2009, 10:55:04 PM
Hmm, les boys? I ripped MM on my computer, of course I didn't rip Les Boys. Worst song MK has ever written imo.

At the moment I'm only listening to Pulling down the ride, Home boy, Good as gold and Early bird. Over and over again... :o
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: koobaa on September 13, 2009, 10:55:35 PM
Kill To Get Crimson is a great example of an album with the 'feel' in my opinion. You can tell that all songs have a common denominator (if you know what I mean). Get Lucky is not that uniform in that matter but it has more tracks that really stand out like Remebrance Day, So Far From  The Clyde and Before Gas and TV.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: dmg on September 13, 2009, 11:28:18 PM
Hmm, les boys? I ripped MM on my computer, of course I didn't rip Les Boys. Worst song MK has ever written imo.

Nah, Long Highway is his worst song by a country mile! :o
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Love Expresso on September 13, 2009, 11:36:28 PM
Long Highway is one of the best songs MK has ever written. Period.  ::)

LE
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Fletch on September 14, 2009, 12:46:19 AM
Although these debates are fairly pointless, i`d just like to tell Tallgren - you are not alone! :)

If Early Bird had been on GL, i can guarantee 100%, no one would have said `Oooo He should have left it off....`
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: ustas on September 14, 2009, 01:00:13 AM


If Early Bird had been on GL, i can guarantee 100%, no one would have said `Oooo He should have left it off....`

 ;D
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: dustyvalentino on September 14, 2009, 10:19:08 AM
Although these debates are fairly pointless, i`d just like to tell Tallgren - you are not alone! :)

If Early Bird had been on GL, i can guarantee 100%, no one would have said `Oooo He should have left it off....`

I probably would have actually. :)

For example, I think You Don't Know You're Born, Coyote and Daddy's Gone to Knoxville should have been left off RPD as they jar badly with the rest of the songs. Even though YDKYB and DGTK are two of the best tracks on teh album, IMO.

I also think there's a case for Don't Crash the Ambulance being left off SL, with SL itself replacing it as the last track and Summer of Love going where SL was.

Oh, and In The Sky should have been left off KTGC, because it's a pile of ******* *****.  ;)

Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: superval99 on September 14, 2009, 10:31:39 AM
Nooooooo, Dusty!     I LOVE "In the Sky", but there's no accounting for taste!    ::)
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: El Macho on September 14, 2009, 10:32:53 AM
Anybody knows why GL is not available on french Itunes?
Where will I get Early Bird?
Will Early Bird and Time for the sun be available on amazon in Europe soon?
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: FenderBender on September 14, 2009, 10:43:24 AM
Fred - Get Lucky doesn't appear on iTunes UK yet either, so it's not just France missing out at the moment  :(

No extra tracks on the amazon.co.uk mp3 release.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Rollergirl on September 14, 2009, 05:28:05 PM
LOL Dusty, I just saw your post on GF. Cheeky bugger!  ;D
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: dustyvalentino on September 14, 2009, 05:38:47 PM
LOL Dusty, I just saw your post on GF. Cheeky bugger!  ;D

;)
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: El Macho on September 14, 2009, 07:09:13 PM
GL is on french Itunes without Early Bird !
I hate France sometimes !
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: El Macho on September 14, 2009, 07:29:29 PM
It seems that France is the only country is Europe where you cannot download the non album tracks!
So, in solidarity with the french fans, can someone upload the non album tracks in their best versions and give them in private email the link?  ???:D

Fred
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: El Macho on September 14, 2009, 07:36:27 PM
I just noticed that it's the same in the UK ;D
Solidarity for the French and UK residents !!!
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: dustyvalentino on September 14, 2009, 07:37:06 PM
No Early Bird on UK iTunes.

Farce.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: IrisRose on September 14, 2009, 08:29:37 PM
I love Daddy's Gone to Knoxville.    My dog Lizzie can dance to it.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Love Expresso on September 14, 2009, 08:34:47 PM
I love Daddy's Gone to Knoxville.    My dog Lizzie can dance to it.

Ah-hemm....

LE ??? ???
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: dustyvalentino on September 14, 2009, 08:37:53 PM
I love Daddy's Gone to Knoxville too, I just don't think it fits in with the rest of RPD.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Pottel on September 15, 2009, 12:56:42 AM
ahum, simon....
what do you mean exactly with mostly crap? i personally actually liked it. of course it all depends on what you had hoped for..but if you have the limited version, don't you already have the bonus songs? or do you mean you bought the digipack??
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Love Expresso on September 15, 2009, 06:48:44 AM
So did anyone crack, steal or download some of the bonus tracks yet? I bought the GL Limited Edition today and the bonus dvd contains mostly crap. So I intend to illegally download the remaining songs anyways...


Oh, boy... >:(

LE
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: niiiice1 on September 15, 2009, 08:23:12 AM
thanks to ustas for the link....

BTW, I like Les Boys... but I think Twisting By The Pool is pretty ropey...
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: dustyvalentino on September 15, 2009, 10:04:42 AM
Funnily enough, I would say that after Sultans and R&J, Twisting is probably the most played DS song on British radio, I hear it a lot.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: localhero1986 on September 15, 2009, 12:49:20 PM
You hear twisting by the pool sometimes on dutch radio too... :-\ Everyone makes mistakes.

Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Dutchessy on September 15, 2009, 01:21:02 PM
RJ is rarely played on Dutch radio...

Often Wol, SOS, Your Latest trick (live), MFN, BIA, PI, Twisting.
Rarely TOL, RJ, Ladywriter and what it is

Depands on which radiostation you are listening too
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: ingridswing on September 16, 2009, 02:07:45 PM
It's an official release, so not allowed to ask here too!
But now you did who knows anyone will send you an e-mail or PM.

Serious: we do not promote on this site to copy official releases, and we don't want people to post links to copies of official releases. We want to be in the air for a lot more years as you will understand.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: schmonka on September 22, 2009, 07:36:03 PM
Seeing as there seems to be no way of getting the extra tracks floating around ( early bird, time in the sun, pulling down  the ride, home boy, good as gold) what are we supposed to do to get our hands on the material.....does the record company WANT us to download?? (even that isnt easy for these little obscurities....!!! ???
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: ds1984 on September 22, 2009, 08:09:23 PM
If I was 10 years younger I would be probably utterly annoyed. Now I just don't care. The more they play dirty trick the less I buy stuff.

After all the idea of enjoying Mark live on stage seems to be fun enough   ;D

Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: ingridswing on September 22, 2009, 08:13:18 PM
Schmonka what do you think of PM some people? It might help  ;D
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: kaleo74 on September 23, 2009, 10:05:12 AM
hi everybody,
if someone sends me the "five tracks" I will not say no ! anyway I have no choice but to download !
thank you to any kind soul

A unofficial fan !
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: cvstahl on October 04, 2009, 03:21:22 PM
Does anyone know of a link where I can listen to the bonus tracks like Early Bird
(not 30 sec snippet please)?

Thx
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Banjo99uk on October 04, 2009, 03:44:06 PM
Please delete this post if its out of order but you can listen to all the extra songs on the site below.  I wouldn't post this info if you could buy the tracks but because MK's management have made it impossible for fans to do the right thing I don't feel guilty.  Enjoy.

http://www.krafta.info
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: ustas on October 04, 2009, 03:47:11 PM
Does anyone know of a link where I can listen to the bonus tracks like Early Bird
(not 30 sec snippet please)?

Thx

YouTube>Search> Early Bird
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Justme on October 04, 2009, 08:15:13 PM
Please delete this post if its out of order but you can listen to all the extra songs on the site below.  I wouldn't post this info if you could buy the tracks but because MK's management have made it impossible for fans to do the right thing I don't feel guilty.  Enjoy.

http://www.krafta.info

Thanks for the info. Is it compulsive to create an account in order to listen to the songs? I searched for them, but the only info I got was that I'm not logged in.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Love Expresso on October 04, 2009, 08:23:59 PM
Try YouTube.  It is on there. Search for Early Bird Knopfler. It is the complete track.

LE
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: cvstahl on October 04, 2009, 08:25:07 PM
Banjo99uk & ustas

Thank you for the help so I can listen to the new tracks like everyone else has.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Banjo99uk on October 04, 2009, 08:31:13 PM
Please delete this post if its out of order but you can listen to all the extra songs on the site below.  I wouldn't post this info if you could buy the tracks but because MK's management have made it impossible for fans to do the right thing I don't feel guilty.  Enjoy.

http://www.krafta.info

Thanks for the info. Is it compulsive to create an account in order to listen to the songs? I searched for them, but the only info I got was that I'm not logged in.
Yes I did, its totally free.
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Justme on October 04, 2009, 08:32:19 PM
Great, there is also a video where MK is recording bits and pieces of Remembrance Day at BGS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKPt1wHoaWw
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Pottel on October 04, 2009, 10:46:02 PM
that is simply a rip from the official dvd! :o
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: Fletch on October 05, 2009, 03:26:33 AM
Cool! Does that mean i just watched all the extras on the digipack? guitar for remembrance - time in the sun backing vocals - live cleaning my gun  all vids posted?
Title: Re: Early Bird?
Post by: koobaa on October 05, 2009, 06:23:52 AM
Not yet...
There's 'behind the scenes of the photoshoot', 'studio tour' and 'control room' left. It won't take long I guess...