A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: PensaGhost on May 27, 2021, 02:18:21 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-hyt3d5i_s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbYMhwAvsMo
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Outstanding! Alan's input in this song is quite remarkable. The outro is a masterpiece on its own, so is the intro. As far as I'm concerned he came up with this beautiful outro modulation idea, it really adds to the song. Can't imagine the song without it, actually! And I always love solo piano versions of songs because that's the king of all instruments.
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always been my go-to-the-toilet song during the concerts. so no further comment.
also, Terminal of Tribute to....
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always been my go-to-the-toilet song during the concerts. so no further comment.
also, Terminal of Tribute to....
It is weird that nearly 30 years after the band split these guys are still living off DS.
"Any more poor old fakers, trying to dance in my old shoes..."
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always been my go-to-the-toilet song during the concerts. so no further comment.
also, Terminal of Tribute to....
so romantic
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always been my go-to-the-toilet song during the concerts. so no further comment.
also, Terminal of Tribute to....
It is weird that nearly 30 years after the band split these guys are still living off DS.
"Any more poor old fakers, trying to dance in my old shoes..."
but according to a reply by Alan on FB he is not the one(s) menitoned in ToTT, and he was in contact with MK only last week....
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Alan: "Backstory" is an album of tracks that I’ve played on with various artists and bands, over the years.
The first track is Dire Straits’ Romeo and Juliet, the rest of the album becomes available later in the year.
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always been my go-to-the-toilet song during the concerts. so no further comment.
also, Terminal of Tribute to....
It is weird that nearly 30 years after the band split these guys are still living off DS.
"Any more poor old fakers, trying to dance in my old shoes..."
but according to a reply by Alan on FB he is not the one(s) menitoned in ToTT, and he was in contact with MK only last week....
Couldn't find it. Any link or quote? Would be interesting to hear.
LE
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Alan Clark replied to posts in the Worldwide Fan Group, where his song was shared.
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This is a simply beautiful rendition. Really wonderful
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always been my go-to-the-toilet song during the concerts. so no further comment.
also, Terminal of Tribute to....
It is weird that nearly 30 years after the band split these guys are still living off DS.
"Any more poor old fakers, trying to dance in my old shoes..."
but according to a reply by Alan on FB he is not the one(s) menitoned in ToTT, and he was in contact with MK only last week....
Couldn't find it. Any link or quote? Would be interesting to hear.
LE
(https://i.postimg.cc/rFYXv6vW/Alan01.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/BnL93Y0z/Alan02.jpg)
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maybe TOTT is about Phil Palmer?
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but why? he is only a side figure in the whole DS story? what did he do to annoy mark that much that he had to write a song about it?
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Mark would probably answer that it is not about him or Dire Straits. Maybe another band leading Musician he is friendly with told him about it and Mark could relate to it. Phil Palmer would fit hair and Fender wise plus behaving like an arrogant arse but he was just a hired gun and not important enough to get this attention.
LE
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but why? he is only a side figure in the whole DS story? what did he do to annoy mark that much that he had to write a song about it?
MK didn't like he started the band "The Straits" with such a confuse name.
It's strange as Phil says in his book that he records in British Grove from time to time and they always say hi to each other very normally.
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Re-read the lyrics as I don't like the song too much. I guess "you been faking it.." is the key. Wasn't there this Italian front man in one of those Straits bands who played Mark? That one that jbaent is admiring so much? ;) Grey hair if I remember correctly..
LE
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Re-read the lyrics as I don't like the song too much. I guess "you been faking it.." is the key. Wasn't there this Italian front man in one of those Straits bands who played Mark? That one that jbaent is admiring so much? ;) Grey hair if I remember correctly..
LE
hehehehe
Yeah, it must be him, lol
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To be honest, I find this rendition of Romeo pretty boring. Also that "Mark and I" is the usual arrogance. Why not the whole band, "We"? What Matt Rollins played as an intro in 2008 or 2010 was much much more touching and more beautiful. Live versions are usually variations and extended. To claim that this part is from him shows the AC as we know him.
LE
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It is a pity that journalists do not ask about songs in interviews.
One Song At A Time also has some Secret.
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Grey hair and Fenders is probably just a good rhyme. It also gets the point across about old men living in the past. It doesn't need to be literal.
What does "Terminal of Tribute To" even mean?
Seems Phil took it personally anyway, he wrote that Three Chord Trick song.
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The use of words in the title always reminds me of "Last Exit To Brooklyn", the Hubert Selby novel.
LE
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Grey hair and Fenders is probably just a good rhyme. It also gets the point across about old men living in the past. It doesn't need to be literal.
What does "Terminal of Tribute To" even mean?
Seems Phil took it personally anyway, he wrote that Three Chord Trick song.
Terminal is like the end of the road, and the tribute band is something that doesn't goes further than that.
Palmer said many times that three chord trick song is about him.
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"Terminal" is pretty well chosen as it contains the idea of an Airport the same as in medicine the last stage of something. Choose the wrong way, no way back and so on.
LE
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I think the airport thing is a stretch.
Still, musically it’s interesting, sound kind of late 60s, like Cream or something.
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Grey hair and Fenders is probably just a good rhyme. It also gets the point across about old men living in the past. It doesn't need to be literal.
What does "Terminal of Tribute To" even mean?
Seems Phil took it personally anyway, he wrote that Three Chord Trick song.
Terminal is like the end of the road, and the tribute band is something that doesn't goes further than that.
Palmer said many times that three chord trick song is about him.
About who?
I don’t really care what he says. It’s about MK. He really couldn’t have made it any more obvious if he tried.
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I think the airport thing is a stretch.
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I pictured an Airport in the lyrics because of the mini bus driver and the "Bag has fallen from the carousel"
LE
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To be honest, I find this rendition of Romeo pretty boring. Also that "Mark and I" is the usual arrogance. Why not the whole band, "We"? What Matt Rollins played as an intro in 2008 or 2010 was much much more touching and more beautiful. Live versions are usually variations and extended. To claim that this part is from him shows the AC as we know him.
LE
I think the intro and outro are clearly written by him - if you listen to Eric Clapton shows from around 1988 when Alan was in that band they used the intro to one of the songs there - so it stands as a piece in its own right.
Comments on this thread are really quite amusing. A song created by one person once recorded is fair game for anyone else to record. Countless examples across all genres of music. Somehow there seems to be some weird 'sovreignty' issue in the case of MKs songs in the eyes of some people, even when the person who has recorded the cover version was a major pillar of the band who recorded it. Let's not lose any sleep over it, and enjoy the music - or not depending on your perspective.
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Pretty boring. It needs some lyrics! :think
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To be honest, I find this rendition of Romeo pretty boring. Also that "Mark and I" is the usual arrogance. Why not the whole band, "We"? What Matt Rollins played as an intro in 2008 or 2010 was much much more touching and more beautiful. Live versions are usually variations and extended. To claim that this part is from him shows the AC as we know him.
LE
Comments on this thread are really quite amusing. A song created by one person once recorded is fair game for anyone else to record. Countless examples across all genres of music. Somehow there seems to be some weird 'sovreignty' issue in the case of MKs songs in the eyes of some people, even when the person who has recorded the cover version was a major pillar of the band who recorded it. Let's not lose any sleep over it, and enjoy the music - or not depending on your perspective.
Good to hear that you are amused. Enjoy!
LE
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To be honest, I find this rendition of Romeo pretty boring. Also that "Mark and I" is the usual arrogance. Why not the whole band, "We"? What Matt Rollins played as an intro in 2008 or 2010 was much much more touching and more beautiful. Live versions are usually variations and extended. To claim that this part is from him shows the AC as we know him.
LE
I think the intro and outro are clearly written by him - if you listen to Eric Clapton shows from around 1988 when Alan was in that band they used the intro to one of the songs there - so it stands as a piece in its own right.
Comments on this thread are really quite amusing. A song created by one person once recorded is fair game for anyone else to record. Countless examples across all genres of music. Somehow there seems to be some weird 'sovreignty' issue in the case of MKs songs in the eyes of some people, even when the person who has recorded the cover version was a major pillar of the band who recorded it. Let's not lose any sleep over it, and enjoy the music - or not depending on your perspective.
I don't have any problem with this, I just think it's weird that these guys are still hanging on to MK's coat tails after so long.
I do however take issue with some of the stuff AC has said and done over the years - remember when he said one of the tribute bands (he's been in a few) was musically better than DS? A real insult to John Illsley.
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It sounded lovely, I think, but it's too long. It's a very simple melody, so without the terrific lyrics, it's hard to maintain interest for that long. It's not exactly Chopin or Grieg.
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Poor chap having to play music from others, again like Pottel this song and this version especially is a great Toilet/bathroom pleaser!!!
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Poor chap having to play music from others, again like Pottel this song and this version especially is a great Toilet/bathroom pleaser!!!
That poor chap is doing good money composing and playing for Italian star Renato Zero, also doing a lot of sessions in Italy and also in the UK with Trevor Horn, he's not having to play music from others, but he's doing what he wants to do. In this case, combine his studio work as musician and composer, recording a piano record playing songs he played during his career. He also recorded for that some songs from his own.
It annoys me when some of you imply that anyone who played with MK is nobody without him and they have to play his songs in order to pay a piece of bread and not die of starvation...
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it seems a lot of people is living off Beethoven or Mozart 200 years later
why not living off Dire Straits ?
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it seems a lot of people is living off Beethoven or Mozart 200 years later
why not living off Dire Straits ?
The thing is... ANYTIME anyone plays a Dire Straits song, MARK KNOPFLER MAKES MONEY!!!!!
Looks like he's been stolen, and he's not, in the contrary, he gets his money while resting in his gold arm chair...
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By the way: If I think about what REALLY will stay from Mark and Dire Straits in many years, I always come to the conclusion that it would be Romeo & Juliet. And maybe Sultans and Money for Nothing. But Romeo for sure. So Alan Clark was right about what he said about this composition.
LE
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it seems a lot of people is living off Beethoven or Mozart 200 years later
why not living off Dire Straits ?
The thing is... ANYTIME anyone plays a Dire Straits song, MARK KNOPFLER MAKES MONEY!!!!!
Looks like he's been stolen, and he's not, in the contrary, he gets his money while resting in his gold arm chair...
We all know he never did it for money.
LOOOL
LE
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it seems a lot of people is living off Beethoven or Mozart 200 years later
why not living off Dire Straits ?
The thing is... ANYTIME anyone plays a Dire Straits song, MARK KNOPFLER MAKES MONEY!!!!!
Looks like he's been stolen, and he's not, in the contrary, he gets his money while resting in his gold arm chair...
We all know he never did it for money.
LOOOL
LE
Any musician that plays live or record a cd to sell it, does it for money. It's their job.
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Sometimes fans may take things way too seriously.
So to be back on the subject I have no proof of what comes form Alan and what doesn't come form him but he was the man that Mark hired and worked with to produce this wonderful music. What happened during the On Location Tour and ended as the LOG album production IMHO feature the most interesting keyboard works during the DS years.
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Poor chap having to play music from others, again like Pottel this song and this version especially is a great Toilet/bathroom pleaser!!!
Pottel IS a great toilet/bathroom "pleaser". ;)
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it seems a lot of people is living off Beethoven or Mozart 200 years later
why not living off Dire Straits ?
The thing is... ANYTIME anyone plays a Dire Straits song, MARK KNOPFLER MAKES MONEY!!!!!
Looks like he's been stolen, and he's not, in the contrary, he gets his money while resting in his gold arm chair...
We all know he never did it for money.
LOOOL
LE
That's why he continued to work for The Chronicle until he retired in 2019. :lol
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Funny how different we think of a great lovesong like R&J. I love it.
What is also funny is that I always thought (after input from all you guys) that TOTT was about AC, and now it appears its probably not. Maybe not even Phil.
There were so many good reference points in TOTT being about AC and the tribute band members.
Anyways, TOTT is a great song. I would have loved a live version thats for sure. Regardless of being about a known person or not ;)
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Not thick, but thin.
I miss the irony that the true version carries.
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Alan Clark's avatar is Bart Simpson, does this make his words unreliable ?
or is this avatar razzism by me ?
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always been my go-to-the-toilet song during the concerts. so no further comment.
also, Terminal of Tribute to....
It is weird that nearly 30 years after the band split these guys are still living off DS.
"Any more poor old fakers, trying to dance in my old shoes..."
but according to a reply by Alan on FB he is not the one(s) menitoned in ToTT, and he was in contact with MK only last week....
Couldn't find it. Any link or quote? Would be interesting to hear.
LE
(https://i.postimg.cc/rFYXv6vW/Alan01.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/BnL93Y0z/Alan02.jpg)
Makes me wonder why they are in contact. A question for Guy :think :think
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Makes me wonder why they are in contact. A question for Guy :think :think
No need to ask, they are in contact to share stock market ideas
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Sometimes fans may take things way too seriously.
So to be back on the subject I have no proof of what comes form Alan and what doesn't come form him but he was the man that Mark hired and worked with to produce this wonderful music. What happened during the On Location Tour and ended as the LOG album production IMHO feature the most interesting keyboard works during the DS years.
+1000 :thumbsup
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Still, musically it’s interesting, sound kind of late 60s, like Cream or something.
it has the same melodic line as in Brian Wilson's "cry"
https://youtu.be/2yR72n5dQuA
we discussed that some years ago : https://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?topic=5987.msg117684#msg117684
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Mark would have to have given the ok for Alan to release this version, so maybe that is why they were in contact? The version Alan has made is ok, but it does go on to long in my view, the full band version is fine going on that long because there is more to keep the interest level high, but this song with just piano is not really working for me, apart from the famous piano intro and outro sections, but even those I prefer the more loose live version.
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Mark would have to have given the ok for Alan to release this version, so maybe that is why they were in contact? The version Alan has made is ok, but it does go on to long in my view, the full band version is fine going on that long because there is more to keep the interest level high, but this song with just piano is not really working for me, apart from the famous piano intro and outro sections, but even those I prefer the more loose live version.
Too long is right, he repeats the intro sequence far too often I think. It's not on the same level as some amazing long covers like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtuwjweuIu4
Also, flexing being in contact with MK to me is kindergarten level of communication.
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He told me on Facebook the tribute bands were because he loves the music and not for the money, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. They're just not for me.
He also said he believes in getting credit for his own work. Well, there I still think being humble would have been better as others would have had a hand in things too but haven't mouthed off about it. It was a band after all and he was credited as a band member. Still, it was good of him to get in touch so I appreciated that.
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He said the tribute bands were because he loves the music and not for the money
clearly 100% unreliable words by Alan
I don't even know what's wrong with tyring to make some money (how can they live otherwise ? they are musicians)
and what's wrong with admitting it, it's 100% legal
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as a member of Dire Straits for 15 years ?
having played a BIG part in the arrangements AND production of Dire Straits songs ?
LOL
(https://i.postimg.cc/zvMpPJvG/Alan03.jpg)
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as a member of Dire Straits for 15 years ?
having played a BIG part in the arrangements AND production of Dire Straits songs ?
LOL
(https://i.postimg.cc/zvMpPJvG/Alan03.jpg)
Alan was active from 1980 to 1992 so 15 years is only a little exageration (you can also take into accounts that the band's "existed" until 1995).
Regarding Alan exact input nobody knows the thruth here.
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Regarding Alan exact input nobody knows the thruth here.
the point is that officially all songs are written by MK, Alan Clark was never credited for anything,
so stating to have been a big part of the arragement is a very bold statement from many points of view
he even states that outside Dire Straits he is "meticulous" about being credited, but with Dire Straits zero credits ?
and why ? it's just a bunch of BS imo
Moreover I have checked with Mimmo Carrata, the biggest collector in the world as many of you know,
he knows everything and has everything (including Telegraph Road Studio without the fade out
and Tunnel of Love Studio with MK's guitar intro and so many other stuff,
I will go to his home sooner or later and then report everything here,
we have known for 30 years and don't know why I haven't gone yet (well the other side of italy is not close actually),
he has invited me many times and promised I will be stunned),
well the point is that he says Alan Clark has written nothing and arranged nothing.
(https://i.postimg.cc/kgLd1Hhw/Alan04.jpg)
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The album will be released 21st September 2021
1. I & I
2, Romeo & Juliet
3. Big River
4. Have I told You Lately That I Love You
5. Licence To Kill
6. Private Dancer
7. Brothers In Arms
8. Going Home
9. Love Over Gold
10. The North
Love Over Gold - Bonus digital download only track.
Every track except 1 has a conection to Mark, although I don't know the song The North. I guess the talk about Mark and Alan not getting on can't be true, Mark would have to have ok'd these songs to be released.
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I really wonder where this negative attitude towards Alan Clark and Phil Palmer comes from. If Mark Knopfler is not so interested in honoring the Dire Straits legacy, I'm grateful that at least other musicians care about it. They don't pretend that it's their songs - but they keep saying what great songs MK wrote there. And every time they play something of his, he earns money without having to do anything. So it's good for all sides.
I'm convinced that musicians like Alan Clark have earned quite a lot of merit in terms of arrangements on the tracks. Without Alan, Guy etc. maybe some pieces would not be as we know and love them today. One should get rid of the idea that the brilliant Mark Knopfler - just because he is the composer - has planned everything down to the last detail. Without Guy's lick in "Walk Of Life" it might not have become such a hit.
Phil Palmer is one of the most successful session guitarists around for a reason. I wonder when and where he ever behaved arrogantly or unsympathetically, as is claimed here. So far he was the only guitarist who challenged Mark Knopfler technically - and was allowed to do so to a certain extent - Richard is never allowed to show what he can do.
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The album will be released 21st September 2021
1. I & I
2, Romeo & Juliet
3. Big River
4. Have I told You Lately That I Love You
5. Licence To Kill
6. Private Dancer
7. Brothers In Arms
8. Going Home
9. Love Over Gold
10. The North
Love Over Gold - Bonus digital download only track.
Every track except 1 has a conection to Mark, although I don't know the song The North. I guess the talk about Mark and Alan not getting on can't be true, Mark would have to have ok'd these songs to be released.
Not really, Covers don't need any approval by the writer, zero, just like playing it live, zero approval is needed, you just pay the royalties.
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The album will be released 21st September 2021
1. I & I
2, Romeo & Juliet
3. Big River
4. Have I told You Lately That I Love You
5. Licence To Kill
6. Private Dancer
7. Brothers In Arms
8. Going Home
9. Love Over Gold
10. The North
Love Over Gold - Bonus digital download only track.
Every track except 1 has a conection to Mark, although I don't know the song The North. I guess the talk about Mark and Alan not getting on can't be true, Mark would have to have ok'd these songs to be released.
Not really, Covers don't need any approval by the writer, zero, just like playing it live, zero approval is needed, you just pay the royalties.
Absolutely. People who want to brag about it tend to say that they contacted the artist personally, had an evening spent together, telephone calls, and got a personal approval of your versions when in the reality it needs only some management work and signing some papers so the author would receive his share.
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I really wonder where this negative attitude towards Alan Clark and Phil Palmer comes from. If Mark Knopfler is not so interested in honoring the Dire Straits legacy, I'm grateful that at least other musicians care about it. They don't pretend that it's their songs - but they keep saying what great songs MK wrote there. And every time they play something of his, he earns money without having to do anything. So it's good for all sides.
I'm convinced that musicians like Alan Clark have earned quite a lot of merit in terms of arrangements on the tracks. Without Alan, Guy etc. maybe some pieces would not be as we know and love them today. One should get rid of the idea that the brilliant Mark Knopfler - just because he is the composer - has planned everything down to the last detail. Without Guy's lick in "Walk Of Life" it might not have become such a hit.
Phil Palmer is one of the most successful session guitarists around for a reason. I wonder when and where he ever behaved arrogantly or unsympathetically, as is claimed here. So far he was the only guitarist who challenged Mark Knopfler technically - and was allowed to do so to a certain extent - Richard is never allowed to show what he can do.
I often think about it and I think the negativity comes from two things: what Alan says/said and how well the songs he loves so much were executed without MK. And both things were, let's say, not of the highest level. Personally, I have no problem listening to Mark's music when other people play it, but when it comes to a band that supposed to be like Dire Straits Part 2 and doesn't deliver, that's bothering me. So I have questions both for his attitude and for music and pay attention that I said nothing about his legacy, works, and plans. Just two factors are enough, to me, to receive some deserved backfire.
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I really wonder where this negative attitude towards Alan Clark and Phil Palmer comes from. If Mark Knopfler is not so interested in honoring the Dire Straits legacy, I'm grateful that at least other musicians care about it. They don't pretend that it's their songs - but they keep saying what great songs MK wrote there. And every time they play something of his, he earns money without having to do anything. So it's good for all sides.
I'm convinced that musicians like Alan Clark have earned quite a lot of merit in terms of arrangements on the tracks. Without Alan, Guy etc. maybe some pieces would not be as we know and love them today. One should get rid of the idea that the brilliant Mark Knopfler - just because he is the composer - has planned everything down to the last detail. Without Guy's lick in "Walk Of Life" it might not have become such a hit.
Phil Palmer is one of the most successful session guitarists around for a reason. I wonder when and where he ever behaved arrogantly or unsympathetically, as is claimed here. So far he was the only guitarist who challenged Mark Knopfler technically - and was allowed to do so to a certain extent - Richard is never allowed to show what he can do.
Well, Phil wrote a song slagging MK for one thing.
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The album will be released 21st September 2021
1. I & I
2, Romeo & Juliet
3. Big River
4. Have I told You Lately That I Love You
5. Licence To Kill
6. Private Dancer
7. Brothers In Arms
8. Going Home
9. Love Over Gold
10. The North
Love Over Gold - Bonus digital download only track.
Every track except 1 has a conection to Mark, although I don't know the song The North. I guess the talk about Mark and Alan not getting on can't be true, Mark would have to have ok'd these songs to be released.
Is Have I Told You Lately the Van Morrison song?
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I haven't seen the album credits, Alan doesn't seem to have played on the album Avalon Sunset, might be the Rod Stewart version?
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I love this song!!!
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I haven't seen the album credits, Alan doesn't seem to have played on the album Avalon Sunset, might be the Rod Stewart version?
Apparently on this:
https://www.allmusic.com/album/youre-in-my-heart-rod-stewart-with-the-royal-philharmonic-orchestra-mw0003320490/credits
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I really wonder where this negative attitude towards Alan Clark and Phil Palmer comes from. If Mark Knopfler is not so interested in honoring the Dire Straits legacy, I'm grateful that at least other musicians care about it. They don't pretend that it's their songs - but they keep saying what great songs MK wrote there. And every time they play something of his, he earns money without having to do anything. So it's good for all sides.
I'm convinced that musicians like Alan Clark have earned quite a lot of merit in terms of arrangements on the tracks. Without Alan, Guy etc. maybe some pieces would not be as we know and love them today. One should get rid of the idea that the brilliant Mark Knopfler - just because he is the composer - has planned everything down to the last detail. Without Guy's lick in "Walk Of Life" it might not have become such a hit.
Phil Palmer is one of the most successful session guitarists around for a reason. I wonder when and where he ever behaved arrogantly or unsympathetically, as is claimed here. So far he was the only guitarist who challenged Mark Knopfler technically - and was allowed to do so to a certain extent - Richard is never allowed to show what he can do.
I can't speak for everyone but it has never been my belief that every song is the product of Mark Knopfler 100%. The DS albums were labelled DS for a reason and DS were credited (on OES anyway) as being Mark, John, Guy and Alan. I don't get why Alan feels the need to promote himself more than any of the others, especially as his name is already there and he is already credited. Is it because John is the founding member and Guy was kept on? We'll never know.
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Regarding Alan exact input nobody knows the thruth here.
the point is that officially all songs are written by MK, Alan Clark was never credited for anything,
so stating to have been a big part of the arragement is a very bold statement from many points of view
he even states that outside Dire Straits he is "meticulous" about being credited, but with Dire Straits zero credits ?
and why ? it's just a bunch of BS imo
Moreover I have checked with Mimmo Carrata, the biggest collector in the world as many of you know,
he knows everything and has everything (including Telegraph Road Studio without the fade out
and Tunnel of Love Studio with MK's guitar intro and so many other stuff,
I will go to his home sooner or later and then report everything here,
we have known for 30 years and don't know why I haven't gone yet (well the other side of italy is not close actually),
he has invited me many times and promised I will be stunned),
well the point is that he says Alan Clark has written nothing and arranged nothing.
This is only your opinion.
Collecting acetates is one thing, being in the secrets of the business is another one.
To my known Mimmo Carrata was not in the studio with both Alan and Mark when developping stuff for Dire Straits.
Again I don't know the thruth about Alan's claim but what I know from my connection in the music business is that there is a common practice to pay instead of giving public credit. You can even buy a song credited with your name on it.
By the way Mick Taylor claims to have had the same issue while being a Rolling Stone.
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All I know is I'd hate to be a member of a band like this. People just can't share credits and money such that everyone is happy and leave all this mess behind. But it also depends on the type of person. Guy worked silently and steadily and look where he's now, Mark's producer and musical director. And where's Alan?
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Where would be Guy without Mark ?
Where is John once outside of Dire Straits?
And Pick Withers, such a talented drummer that went off the rader after leaving the band?
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Where would be Guy without Mark ?
Where is John once outside of Dire Straits?
And Pick Withers, such a talented drummer that went off the rader after leaving the band?
Exactly... At least John remains the co-owner of DS and made enough money so he can be a painter or a pub owner. And being a professional musician is nothing like that. I'd hate to be a musician because in order to stay afloat you either need to work 365 days a year or be someone like Mark Knopfler. So staying under the radar is not a decision that people make, it's called life.
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Where would be Guy without Mark ?
Where is John once outside of Dire Straits?
And Pick Withers, such a talented drummer that went off the rader after leaving the band?
John is millionaire as DS (the company) were (and still are) MK and John.
The rest of DS musicians are not millionaire because they were paid as musicians, they were not DS in terms of anytime DS get play on a radio or a DS song is played live by whatever band, MK and John gets money, the rest none.
John was so important for the band, in musical terms, that Alan or Guy?
John is the millionaire and can spend all his life painting without economic worries. Alan and Guy should keep busy working to pay the rent.
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I have no insight in stuff like this. But you can't bring me off the fact that the whole "Straits" Band project was an insult and an offence and clearly planned as such. I now saw the track list of Alan Clarks forthcoming compilation. To say the tracks are from many contributions over the years is a bold interpretation. Not a single of those tracks would have seen the presence of Alan Clark without the MK connection. Even I and I from Bob is MK related. Everything is MK related in this list.
He makes it sound like DS or MK was one part of a rich musical varied life, but obviously it isn't. And that says it all really. It's clearly an ego thing, more on the psychological side and, yes, of course! on the monetary one. (which is a valid reason and should not denied by AC, would have made it much more believable.)
Artistically, it's a poor try to make one self shine brighter than it really does. Midlife crisis, I can relate to that.
LE
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Where would be Guy without Mark ?
Where is John once outside of Dire Straits?
And Pick Withers, such a talented drummer that went off the rader after leaving the band?
John is millionaire as DS (the company) were (and still are) MK and John.
The rest of DS musicians are not millionaire because they were paid as musicians, they were not DS in terms of anytime DS get play on a radio or a DS song is played live by whatever band, MK and John gets money, the rest none.
John was so important for the band, in musical terms, that Alan or Guy?
John is the millionaire and can spend all his life painting without economic worries. Alan and Guy should keep busy working to pay the rent.
I think Mark and John are just two extremely similar characters and that allowed them to stay together till the end of DS and even to this day. John, as you can see in the long run, is a smart guy. He never expressed to be more prominent, never tried to push his own songs, recorded solo albums without leaving the band, from what I understand he was dealing with the business side of things in DS a lot, drove a car, helped to collect money for the first record, and when it all ended he was like "so be it". So he deserves everything in my opinion. Should other guys be as smart as him, DS would probably produce more millionaires than just MK, John, and probably Ed :lol
I think everyone who played in DS knew that they will be remembered as a Dire Straits member. Heck, even Mark can't escape this. He's stamped with DS for life. This is a power of a brand, imagine it wasn't a band, and they would be just session musicians who played with MK. But as it was a "band without a band", I think Alan still can't get over it. I tend to think that Dire Straits were less of a band than Mark's current band...
Anyway, history is tough and hopefully, John's book would shine a light on more things.
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I have no insight in stuff like this. But you can't bring me off the fact that the whole "Straits" Band project was an insult and an offence and clearly planned as such. I now saw the track list of Alan Clarks forthcoming compilation. To say the tracks are from many contributions over the years is a bold interpretation. Not a single of those tracks would have seen the presence of Alan Clark without the MK connection. Even I and I from Bob is MK related. Everything is MK related in this list.
He makes it sound like DS or MK was one part of a rich musical varied life, but obviously it isn't. And that says it all really. It's clearly an ego thing, more on the psychological side and, yes, of course! on the monetary one. (which is a valid reason and should not denied by AC, would have made it much more believable.)
Artistically, it's a poor try to make one self shine brighter than it really does. Midlife crisis, I can relate to that.
LE
Agree with the Straits project. Actually the first gig they did at the RAh it was said it was for charity so it looked right, but it went so well that they decided to keep playing, according to them, to provide the fans the enjoyment of those songs, played by some of the band members, which is something some would agree, others don't, as in the end, with that name is getting gigs under the DS umbrella. I think that nowadays, with their new name, they should announce themselves just as LEGACY and play songs from DS, Clapton, The Buggles etc, thinking that they have Trevor Horn, and Alan, Phil and Steve Ferrone played with Clapton. The way they do it still looks like milking the DS name, which is legal to do, and in the end they are musicians and work is work, and at the same time, MK gets his money everytime they play his songs.
About his record, the most important records in which Alan got to play was with MK or related with MK, so there is no way to exit from that link. But there are no Clapton songs there which is curious, maybe he didn't included Clapton songs as he wasn't involved in the studio with him except for some songs that maybe are not the most famous ones.
Any record one does celebrating his own career it's an ego thing. That's pretty obvious.
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I have no insight in stuff like this. But you can't bring me off the fact that the whole "Straits" Band project was an insult and an offence and clearly planned as such. I now saw the track list of Alan Clarks forthcoming compilation. To say the tracks are from many contributions over the years is a bold interpretation. Not a single of those tracks would have seen the presence of Alan Clark without the MK connection. Even I and I from Bob is MK related. Everything is MK related in this list.
He makes it sound like DS or MK was one part of a rich musical varied life, but obviously it isn't. And that says it all really. It's clearly an ego thing, more on the psychological side and, yes, of course! on the monetary one. (which is a valid reason and should not denied by AC, would have made it much more believable.)
Artistically, it's a poor try to make one self shine brighter than it really does. Midlife crisis, I can relate to that.
LE
Agree with the Straits project. Actually the first gig they did at the RAh it was said it was for charity so it looked right, but it went so well that they decided to keep playing, according to them, to provide the fans the enjoyment of those songs, played by some of the band members, which is something some would agree, others don't, as in the end, with that name is getting gigs under the DS umbrella. I think that nowadays, with their new name, they should announce themselves just as LEGACY and play songs from DS, Clapton, The Buggles etc, thinking that they have Trevor Horn, and Alan, Phil and Steve Ferrone played with Clapton. The way they do it still looks like milking the DS name, which is legal to do, and in the end they are musicians and work is work, and at the same time, MK gets his money everytime they play his songs.
About his record, the most important records in which Alan got to play was with MK or related with MK, so there is no way to exit from that link. But there are no Clapton songs there which is curious, maybe he didn't included Clapton songs as he wasn't involved in the studio with him except for some songs that maybe are not the most famous ones.
Any record one does celebrating his own career it's an ego thing. That's pretty obvious.
This is what I'm talking about, one can barely survive after being a member of a really big band or brand. Of course, everything that Alan does is MK-related because working on MK songs is a high point of careers for many many many people (including me haha), the way you deal with this is another story. John Illsley also acknowledges the fact that he's stamped with Dire Straits' name, and he actually performed Dire Straits songs himself. But he never made a tribute band and never tried to replace Mark with somebody else, he just played the songs.
I feel really sorry for those guys who made this tribute thing going, I genuinely think that they had good intentions and people had fun on the shows, but with these guys, something feels off anyway. And remember that the greatest man alive is Danny Cummings, who managed to play in Mark's band and in the tribute band at the same time. What a legend!
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This is what I'm talking about, one can barely survive after being a member of a really big band or brand. Of course, everything that Alan does is MK-related because working on MK songs is a high point of careers for many many many people (including me haha), the way you deal with this is another story. John Illsley also acknowledges the fact that he's stamped with Dire Straits' name, and he actually performed Dire Straits songs himself. But he never made a tribute band and never tried to replace Mark with somebody else, he just played the songs.
I feel really sorry for those guys who made this tribute thing going, I genuinely think that they had good intentions and people had fun on the shows, but with these guys, something feels off anyway. And remember that the greatest man alive is Danny Cummings, who managed to play in Mark's band and in the tribute band at the same time. What a legend!
Funny thing, "Dire Straits Legacy" use that name because John Illsley suggested that to them, as he didn't like they named themselves "The Straits".
John had played with them in some gigs, and Phil also played as sideman with John in some tours.
Danny playing with both Legacy and MK means that, MK totally understand that musicians need to play to earn their salary, or MK like Danny despite what he does ;D
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The album will be released 21st September 2021
1. I & I
2, Romeo & Juliet
3. Big River
4. Have I told You Lately That I Love You
5. Licence To Kill
6. Private Dancer
7. Brothers In Arms
8. Going Home
9. Love Over Gold
10. The North
Love Over Gold - Bonus digital download only track.
Every track except 1 has a conection to Mark, although I don't know the song The North. I guess the talk about Mark and Alan not getting on can't be true, Mark would have to have ok'd these songs to be released.
Where did you find this information? I mean, the tracklist
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https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=alan+clark+backstory&i=popular&ref=nb_sb_noss_2
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The album will be released 21st September 2021
1. I & I
2, Romeo & Juliet
3. Big River
4. Have I told You Lately That I Love You
5. Licence To Kill
6. Private Dancer
7. Brothers In Arms
8. Going Home
9. Love Over Gold
10. The North
Love Over Gold - Bonus digital download only track.
Every track except 1 has a conection to Mark, although I don't know the song The North. I guess the talk about Mark and Alan not getting on can't be true, Mark would have to have ok'd these songs to be released.
Makes one wonder why he never got involved with the MK and Friends 2002 charity shows if they're still regularly in touch...
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The album will be released 21st September 2021
1. I & I
2, Romeo & Juliet
3. Big River
4. Have I told You Lately That I Love You
5. Licence To Kill
6. Private Dancer
7. Brothers In Arms
8. Going Home
9. Love Over Gold
10. The North
Love Over Gold - Bonus digital download only track.
Every track except 1 has a conection to Mark, although I don't know the song The North. I guess the talk about Mark and Alan not getting on can't be true, Mark would have to have ok'd these songs to be released.
Makes one wonder why he never got involved with the MK and Friends 2002 charity shows if they're still regularly in touch...
Yes, specially when in 2004 MK and Alan played together "Going home" at the opening of Alan Shearer's pub in Newcastle.
https://www.lsionline.com/news/hk-audio-scores-at-shearer-s-bar-7xwm9g
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In Alan’s defence I believe he was heavily involved with the Jimmy Nail records whereas MK only played on that one track (I think).
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https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=alan+clark+backstory&i=popular&ref=nb_sb_noss_2
it seems there are some other tracks
Your Latest Trick
Have I Told You Lately That I Love You
License To Kill
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I have no insight in stuff like this. But you can't bring me off the fact that the whole "Straits" Band project was an insult and an offence and clearly planned as such. I now saw the track list of Alan Clarks forthcoming compilation. To say the tracks are from many contributions over the years is a bold interpretation. Not a single of those tracks would have seen the presence of Alan Clark without the MK connection. Even I and I from Bob is MK related. Everything is MK related in this list.
He makes it sound like DS or MK was one part of a rich musical varied life, but obviously it isn't. And that says it all really. It's clearly an ego thing, more on the psychological side and, yes, of course! on the monetary one. (which is a valid reason and should not denied by AC, would have made it much more believable.)
Artistically, it's a poor try to make one self shine brighter than it really does. Midlife crisis, I can relate to that.
LE
:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
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In Alan’s defence I believe he was heavily involved with the Jimmy Nail records whereas MK only played on that one track (I think).
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Alan works almost every two years with Jimmy organizing the "sunday for Sammy" galas. Alan is usually the musical director of the show.
There is a wonderful version of "Big river" played with Alan on piano and the "Aufwiedershen Pete" cast in youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjC-0lmYJuQ
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A couple of things I have noticed: TOTT seems to have alot of "candidates". Now, does that say something about the candidates, or maybe more about Mark? I mean, if you work with a bunch of people you can't get along with, chances are YOU are the problem and not them.
Mark tends to get treated as a God of some sort. Reality check: he's just flesh and blood, like everyone else, and his opinion doesn't have to be the right one just because he's a good guitarist and songwriter. And if he's mad because other DS band members keep the name alive and play songs they have some kind of artistic ownership to, at least from being there and playing some instruments, then that's an attitude problem of his. He should mind his own business rather than worrying about if Phil Palmer plays some tune on a stage somewhere in a band that has "Dire" or "Straits" in it. Especially when he's not performing the same songs himself.
As for the single, it's not on par with the DS version, but it's a nice alternative version, nonetheless. I think AC did a respectable job here.
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John is the millionaire and can spend all his life painting without economic worries. Alan and Guy should keep busy working to pay the rent.
I couldn't possibly tell for Alan but I'm not sure Guy still has to work to pay the rent… ::)
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John is the millionaire and can spend all his life painting without economic worries. Alan and Guy should keep busy working to pay the rent.
I couldn't possibly tell for Alan but I'm not sure Guy still has to work to pay the rent… ::)
Someone suggested him on his forum some years ago that he was millionaire because he played in DS and he said something like "not at all, still have a mortgage to pay"
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John is the millionaire and can spend all his life painting without economic worries. Alan and Guy should keep busy working to pay the rent.
I couldn't possibly tell for Alan but I'm not sure Guy still has to work to pay the rent… ::)
Someone suggested him on his forum some years ago that he was millionaire because he played in DS and he said something like "not at all, still has a mortgage to pay"
So, maybe he is still in Dire Straits then :lol
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John is the millionaire and can spend all his life painting without economic worries. Alan and Guy should keep busy working to pay the rent.
I couldn't possibly tell for Alan but I'm not sure Guy still has to work to pay the rent… ::)
Someone suggested him on his forum some years ago that he was millionaire because he played in DS and he said something like "not at all, still has a mortgage to pay"
So, maybe he is still in Dire Straits then :lol
:lol :lol
Or maybe has a very large mansion.
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The DS albums were labelled DS for a reason and DS were credited (on OES anyway) as being Mark, John, Guy and Alan.
if I remember correctly, there was a financial explanation for MK, JI, AC and GF being credited in the OES booklet as Dire Straits.
Phonogram wasn't so keen on paying in advance for OES record, so the four supported recording session costs and then sold the record "as is" to the label. The statement in the booklet was something connected to the contract..
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Interesting. And astonishing. Wouldn't you expect a record company to be VERY keen on the follow-up album to the mega-selling Brothers in Arms? Wasn't Dire Straits a very big player back then? Don't get me wrong, I don't doubt what you have posted. But as I said, quite astonished. If anyone has some more knowledge about this, I would be very interested.
LE
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I also find that very surprising. But on the other hand, the last album was six years ago, which is an eternity in the industry - and the record company was perhaps not sure whether a new album would be so successful. A lot has changed in musical taste between 1985 and 1991.
Besides, many people who listened to Dire Straits or went to concerts didn't do so because they were real fans, but because DS were commercially successful and popular at the time. These people quickly change their orientation.
Maybe the record company also had an insight into the first versions of the songs and were not completely convinced of the potential?
All speculation, I know. :think
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John is the millionaire and can spend all his life painting without economic worries. Alan and Guy should keep busy working to pay the rent.
I couldn't possibly tell for Alan but I'm not sure Guy still has to work to pay the rent… ::)
Someone suggested him on his forum some years ago that he was millionaire because he played in DS and he said something like "not at all, still have a mortgage to pay"
Well, first I'm not seeing Guy as the kind of guy saying that he's a millionaire etc. but I might be wrong. Second, some say that John is a millionaire because of DS. As Guy has joined the band in 1985 (!) and has collaborated with MK since then, that's to say selling millions of album, I don't see why he would HAVE TO work to pay the rent. Truth is I don't think. Good for him.
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I think it’s more likely that MK and JI voluntarily went into this agreement on the basis that they would have a better share of eventual profits.
I know they funded the tour, probably one reason MK was pissed off after they made a loss in Australia.
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Interesting. And astonishing. Wouldn't you expect a record company to be VERY keen on the follow-up album to the mega-selling Brothers in Arms? Wasn't Dire Straits a very big player back then? Don't get me wrong, I don't doubt what you have posted. But as I said, quite astonished. If anyone has some more knowledge about this, I would be very interested.
In those years signals from MK about DS were not so good for the label .. Neck and Neck and NHB were great albums but not exactly in the same sales league of the blockbuster BiA, one of the suggested titles for the compilation was Contractual duty but they agreed the Money for Nothing worked both for Phonogram and for Mark thoughts ;-) .. OES comes after MK saying he didn't know if it would be another DS record.
Hiring Jeff Porcaro as drummer was a proof that OES wasn't a low budget production so maybe the record label was scared about investing a lot of money in something that neither MK was so sure about and preferred to wait until the CD was ready before opening the wallet :-)
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"a loss in Australia " ?
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"a loss in Australia " ?
They had to cancel shows, the Australian leg of the tour was a disaster.
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Interesting. And astonishing. Wouldn't you expect a record company to be VERY keen on the follow-up album to the mega-selling Brothers in Arms? Wasn't Dire Straits a very big player back then? Don't get me wrong, I don't doubt what you have posted. But as I said, quite astonished. If anyone has some more knowledge about this, I would be very interested.
In those years signals from MK about DS were not so good for the label .. Neck and Neck and NHB were great albums but not exactly in the same sales league of the blockbuster BiA, one of the suggested titles for the compilation was Contractual duty but they agreed the Money for Nothing worked both for Phonogram and for Mark thoughts ;-) .. OES comes after MK saying he didn't know if it would be another DS record.
Hiring Jeff Porcaro as drummer was a proof that OES wasn't a low budget production so maybe the record label was scared about investing a lot of money in something that neither MK was so sure about and preferred to wait until the CD was ready before opening the wallet :-)
Sorry vancip, but most respectfully, I think your theory here is bullshit. :)
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"a loss in Australia " ?
They had to cancel shows, the Australian leg of the tour was a disaster.
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I did not know that. Probably the reason why MK never toured Australia as a solo artist. :think
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Just for the record, he did in 2005. :wave
LE
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"a loss in Australia " ?
They had to cancel shows, the Australian leg of the tour was a disaster.
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I did not know that. Probably the reason why MK never toured Australia as a solo artist. :think
I didn't know about it
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Just for the record, he did in 2005. :wave
LE
Yes. It was a world tour. South Africa. India. New Zealand, Australia, Russian...
I was sure South America too, but it's 2001. Time is running out too fast...
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The album will be released 21st September 2021
1. I & I
2, Romeo & Juliet
3. Big River
4. Have I told You Lately That I Love You
5. Licence To Kill
6. Private Dancer
7. Brothers In Arms
8. Going Home
9. Love Over Gold
10. The North
Love Over Gold - Bonus digital download only track.
Every track except 1 has a conection to Mark, although I don't know the song The North. I guess the talk about Mark and Alan not getting on can't be true, Mark would have to have ok'd these songs to be released.
Where did you find this information? I mean, the tracklist
I found this on iTunes.
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The album will be released 21st September 2021
1. I & I
2, Romeo & Juliet
3. Big River
4. Have I told You Lately That I Love You
5. Licence To Kill
6. Private Dancer
7. Brothers In Arms
8. Going Home
9. Love Over Gold
10. The North
Love Over Gold - Bonus digital download only track.
Every track except 1 has a conection to Mark, although I don't know the song The North. I guess the talk about Mark and Alan not getting on can't be true, Mark would have to have ok'd these songs to be released.
Where did you find this information? I mean, the tracklist
I found this on iTunes.
The digital bonus is Your Latest Trick according to Amazon.
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ok :) one of them must be right I guess. He doesn't have the track list on his website yet.
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ok :) one of them must be right I guess. He doesn't have the track list on his website yet.
If love Over Gold is already in the record, looks weird that is also a bonus, lol
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True, must be an iTunes error. :o
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"a loss in Australia " ?
They had to cancel shows, the Australian leg of the tour was a disaster.
The southern US leg was not very good either, but Europe was strong
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It is a pity that journalists do not ask about songs in interviews.
One Song At A Time also has some Secret.
It is a pity that journalists do not ask about songs in interviews.
One Song At A Time also has some Secret.
have not read the 8000 pages since this post, but did you explain?