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Title: Album Elimination Poll - Round 4
Post by: dustyvalentino on October 10, 2021, 11:01:58 AM
Can’t quite  believe that Making Movies has gone but that’s democracy!

And then there were three…
Title: Re: Album Elimination Poll - Round 4
Post by: NicoMK on October 11, 2021, 08:23:05 AM
Same here.  ::)
Title: Re: Album Elimination Poll - Round 4
Post by: Pottel on October 11, 2021, 08:41:32 AM
Can’t quite  believe that Making Movies has gone but that’s democracy!

And then there were three…
the election result was stolen from making movies!
Title: Re: Album Elimination Poll - Round 4
Post by: quizzaciously on October 11, 2021, 10:24:49 AM
Can’t quite  believe that Making Movies has gone but that’s democracy!

And then there were three…
the election result was stolen from making movies!

By Russian hackers of course! :lol

I think it's all pretty clear now. Communiqué will go next, then Love Over Gold and we'll be left with a debut album, which is arguably is the only album by DS, all the rest are MK solo ones :lol
Title: Re: Album Elimination Poll - Round 4
Post by: superval99 on October 11, 2021, 10:40:10 AM
Can’t quite  believe that Making Movies has gone but that’s democracy!

And then there were three…
the election result was stolen from making movies!

By Russian hackers of course! :lol

I think it's all pretty clear now. Communiqué will go next, then Love Over Gold and we'll be left with a debut album, which is arguably is the only album by DS, all the rest are MK solo ones :lol

Not clear at all.   There is a battle between LOG and Communique and, at the moment, only 9 points separate them, so all to play for and lots of votes to come in yet!    :)
Title: Re: Album Elimination Poll - Round 4
Post by: Knopflerfan on October 11, 2021, 10:43:02 AM
As the last round proved - you just never know!
Title: Re: Album Elimination Poll - Round 4
Post by: NicoMK on October 11, 2021, 12:14:23 PM
By Russian hackers of course! :lol

I think it's all pretty clear now. Communiqué will go next, then Love Over Gold and we'll be left with a debut album, which is arguably is the only album by DS, all the rest are MK solo ones :lol

I think the battle between Love over gold and the first album should be close.

I'm wondering : Will the first album finish number one because, for most of the voters, it IS obviously the best album by Dire Straits, or will it finish first because it IS precisely the first album including Sultans of Swing -- and no Sultans means no DS (and consequently no MK) as we know them.

On the other hand, I see no weak song in Love Over Gold but only classics, so let's wait and see what happens. I hope a tight battle.

I know where my vote will go  ;D

Title: Re: Album Elimination Poll - Round 4
Post by: Rivers Of Rain on October 14, 2021, 10:24:53 PM
As I see it, of the three remaining albums in the poll, we have the two most similar DS albums - the debut album and Communique - along with Love Over Gold, which I think represents the biggest departure from their previous albums. To put it another way, you could say we have two apples and an orange! I have to say Love Over Gold is my favourite album, so I thought it would be interesting to do a head-to-head comparison between the first two albums. I award a point to my preferred song in each pair to see which album comes out on top overall.

As both albums have nine tracks, this is relatively straightforward and in most cases I have paired the songs by the order. I swapped Portobello Belle with Single Handed Sailor because I think the former has more in common with Wild West End (I have always felt these two tracks are somewhat similar, most obviously because both songs have lyrics describing parts of London, but also because neither song has a guitar solo), leaving the latter paired with In The Gallery instead. I have highlighted my preferred song in bold for clarity.

Down To The Waterline  -  Once Upon A Time In The West
Water Of Love  -  News
Setting Me Up  -  Where Do You Think You're Going?
Six Blade Knife  - Communique
Southbound Again  -  Lady Writer
Sultans Of Swing  -  Angel Of Mercy
In The Gallery  -  Single Handed Sailor
Wild West End  -  Portobello Belle
Lions  -  Follow Me Home

Total points: Dire Straits 5-4 Communique

The debut album wins fairly narrowly by this measure. I think that side two of the first album is particularly strong, so I find interesting to note that the debut album track wins in three of my final four pairs. On closer analysis, however, I'm confident that I rate the debut more highly. There are three pairs where I significantly prefer the debut album track to its Communique equivalent, most obviously Sultans Of Swing (in my opinion the best track on either album, and my second favourite DS song overall) very comfortably beats Angel Of Mercy, I also much prefer Six Blade Knife and Lions to their equivalents on Communique. By contrast, the only pairing where I think the Communique track easily comes out on top for me is Where Do You Think You're Going against Setting Me Up. Most of the others are fairly close, with one extremely closely matched pair, Down To The Waterline and Once Upon A Time In The West, I've always loved both but the guitar work on the latter impresses me just a bit more.

All subjective of course but I found this a fun way to compare the two albums - my vote again goes to Communique, although that's no slight given the tough competition.
Title: Re: Album Elimination Poll - Round 4
Post by: dustyvalentino on October 15, 2021, 10:15:04 AM
Nice post, thanks for your thoughts :)

Somebody (maybe on here?) said a while ago that the first album was basically the same song over and over again which is funny because it's kind of true, but not in a bad way. It's more that it's the same sound throughout - it really gels together well.
Title: Re: Album Elimination Poll - Round 4
Post by: Robson on October 15, 2021, 12:48:50 PM
A very interesting observation of two albums Rivers of Rain:) I checked. The debut album wins with one track;)

Down To The Waterline  -  Once Upon A Time In The West
Water Of Love  -  News
Setting Me Up  -  Where Do You Think You're Going?
Six Blade Knife  - Communique
Southbound Again  -  Lady Writer
Sultans Of Swing  -  Angel Of Mercy
In The Gallery  -  Single Handed Sailor
Wild West End  -  Portobello Belle
Lions  -  Follow Me Home
Title: Re: Album Elimination Poll - Round 4
Post by: dustyvalentino on October 15, 2021, 01:05:08 PM
I would prefer the entire first album except the first one.
Title: Re: Album Elimination Poll - Round 4
Post by: Knopflerfan on October 15, 2021, 07:41:04 PM
About time round 5 was started....ooooh the suspense!!!
Title: Re: Album Elimination Poll - Round 4
Post by: JF on October 15, 2021, 11:43:25 PM
Nice idea Rivers Of Rain, but musically, I would compare the songs like that :

Down To The Waterline  -  Once Upon A Time In The West
Water Of Love  -  Angel Of Mercy
Setting Me Up  -   Communique
Six Blade Knife  - Follow Me Home
Southbound Again  -  Single Handed Sailor
Sultans Of Swing  -  Lady Writer
In The Gallery  -  News
Wild West End  -  Portobello Belle
Lions  -  Where Do You Think You're Going?