A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: xxFordiexx on September 16, 2009, 11:12:19 PM
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Just got hold of this live concert from Boston 2005..... has anyone else listened to it recently and what are your thoughts because it's a freakin' awesome soundboard concert.
So much energy and amazing versions on Sultans and Money!!!!!!!!
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It is probably one of the Crowfly shows,(f.e. available at T.U.B.E. )
I was in the situation to think: The Passalong links don
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It is probably one of the Crowfly shows,(f.e. available at T.U.B.E. )
I was in the situation to think: The Passalong links don
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Nah definitely not Crowfly cos where I got if from they only do NON Official material!!!!!!
I never download illegal stuff!!!!!!!
Anyway it's very very good!
mmm....I don't know of another SB recording of this concert than the Crowfly one. Maybe the "site" you downloaded it from wasn't aware of the Crowfly recording.
BTW, even if it is another SB source, to share it is ILLEGAL (when an official recording exists) ;)
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when it is still available that is....which i believe it isn't.
but yes, all these crowfly shows are really lossy, and not lossless. as long as you mark them as that, i see no problem.
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when it is still available that is....which i believe it isn't.
not sure. e.g. John Illsley Album "Never told a soul" wasn't available anymore (before the reissue), but you couldn't upload it on Dime ;D
the key word is copyright ;)
said that, what is the mysterious site? ;D
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y the way, just listening to TOL from Stuttgart 1985...ohh my god..
that version is awesome, all shows from october, nov. 1985 were super, imho that was dire straits at it's very best...
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when it is still available that is....which i believe it isn't.
not sure. e.g. John Illsley Album "Never told a soul" wasn't available anymore (before the reissue), but you couldn't upload it on Dime ;D
the key word is copyright ;)
said that, what is the mysterious site? ;D
Well I hope I am not doing anything illegal!!!!! :-\
The site is h&*p://markknopflermusic.blogspot.com/search/label/Mark%20Knopfler
I thought we were all aware of this site, although to be fair I was only shown it about 3 weeks ago by someone!!!!!
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y the way, just listening to TOL from Stuttgart 1985...ohh my god..
that version is awesome, all shows from october, nov. 1985 were super, imho that was dire straits at it's very best...
Totally agree with you there. Berlin ToL was my favourite from that period. Pity it was missing the beginning on the bootleg. Typical! :(
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Well I hope I am not doing anything illegal!!!!! :-\
The site is h&*p://markknopflermusic.blogspot.com/search/label/Mark%20Knopfler
I thought we were all aware of this site, although to be fair I was only shown it about 3 weeks ago by someone!!!!!
don't worry, we talk just to make philosophy :)
with tons of sites spreading illegal stuff I don't believe someone could be interested in hitting this one for a semi-official release ;D
anyway I think it is the Crowfly recording
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Had a brief look at that site. Don't know this guy, but he says he's a MK fan, and NO official material is posted on his website, but obviously there's A LOT of official stuff online (the Crowfly recordings, the bootleg called 'Guitar dreams'...) so this guy should be careful on what he said about his website... ;D
Cheers... ;)
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Yes. And at T.U.B.E. (The Ultimate Bootleg Experience) there are some other Crowfly shows, Nashville, Brighton and Florence. So they DO offer those
shows. The question is if it would still be illegal to download it there now that they are not available anymore.
LE
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According to Wikipedia, the company shut down in late June, 2009
I think this is not legal to share it as this is not on public domain and there are still commercial rights on it even if it is currently commercially not available.
The question is a bit complicated because if Passalong was the seller it is not certain that they do have the copyright right over theses recordings as Crowfly (co-founded by Chuck Ainlay) was the society who produced the recordings and seems to be still running. So maybe we can hope to see them rereleased in the future, and this time lossless and DRM free. After all we had to wait 2009 to le able to legally get a copy of SGT Pepper MONO on CD.
But if on the contrary there are not plan to make these recording commercially available again we can assume that then it should not be a big deal that the MK fan share them for free between them (but not directly here of course).
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So.... can I still listen to it without feeling too guilty ;D
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Yes, I think you got our absolution! ;D
LE
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Legal or not, there was a lot of trading back in 2005. Passalong/Crowfly was not available in Europe. Go figure. Collectors got those recordings somehow. But I know nothing. Nothing! ;D
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IrisRose, Do you mean it wasn't available on the continent of Europe, because I have two of the Crowfly concerts and I am in UK. :)
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i bought crowfly shows back then. they were available over here.
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I must have meant that, Val. I was trading with a couple of friends in Italy at the time, and they could not get it.
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Well then, was it Berlusconi?
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To begin with they were not available in Europe, just one of the many "teething troubles" that seem to follow MK around when he tries to do something like this (see also Early Bird and Time In The Sun).
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The Crowfly recordings have been released on European market somewhere in October 2005 or something like that.
That explain that some non US MK fan did manage to get them others way since it started to be release in USA in July.
(like opening a paypal account with a US address)
Almost nothing that was planned was done : Mark asked for no DRM, from the nashville gig and on recording made available 24 hours after the show took place, all US date released...
This was a first try and even if it could have been made better I am happy that some show were issued.
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This was a first try and even if it could have been made better I am happy that some show were issued.
Agreed. Unfortunately, as usual, some people went WAY over the top with their critiscsm and MK probably said "Not worth the hassle again."
I remember one person, on MK News or T-Road, somewhere anyway saying "Charging for 128kpbs! They are stealing from us!" ::)
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.......Unfortunately, as usual, some people went WAY over the top with their critiscsm and MK probably said "Not worth the hassle again.".....
Do you really believe it? If so, the Deluxe Edition of GL would never be released ;D
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If MK was hurt I don't think it was because of the fans criticism but by the result first. I don't know how deep Mark was actively involved, I think that the fact Chuck Ainly was part of the story is important in Mark having his go. Guy himself agreed on his forum that things were not done the right way (beginning by Mac user being excluded) which in Guy's very diplomatic terms can be easily translated to like "they f*cked it".
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I agree that the whole affair was badly managed, as (unfortunately!) often happens with the MK management.
Anyway, instead of many (14?) online releases I would have appreciated more a physical Double CD. But maybe I'm out of time ;D
But, of course, I'm still glad that these recordings have been made available.
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I made the point at the time, and it's the same with the current extra track business, it's better to offer constructive criticsm. Instead of saying "Oh my god, you are thieves, these downloads are fucking shit blah blah blah" say "Thanks for the downloads, next time could we perhaps have them in xxx format..."
But people are too quick to complain about everything...
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If we can contact Chuck Ainlay dirtly we could ask him about it.
Like "any hope that the 2005 recordings see the lights again" ?
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Yes, I think you got our absolution! ;D
LE
Ah thank you my fair Knopflerado! ;)
I feelo soo much happier now lol
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Agreed. Unfortunately, as usual, some people went WAY over the top with their critiscsm and MK probably said "Not worth the hassle again."
I remember one person, on MK News or T-Road, somewhere anyway saying "Charging for 128kpbs! They are stealing from us!" ::)
Maybe it is because when everybody makes everything as much complicated as possible, leaving out as much people as they can with country restrictions, etc etc, anything turns into something to complain about...
I was quite happy to have that downloads, my only complain was not having every show and having them in 128 kbps mp3, but it wasn
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So, which one of the companies closed? passalong or crowfly?
Didn