A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Robson on March 04, 2022, 05:58:56 PM
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MKNews:
Mark is supporting the Red Cross and their emergency appeal to aid Ukraine and the bordering countries, where their teams have been preparing to support those fleeing to safety; as well as those taking shelter within Ukraine. Please consider donating if you are able to.
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Yes, it was nice to see that Mark is helping, even the Queen herself donated to Ukraine. The whole world is against Russia. My country...
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Yes, it was nice to see that Mark is helping, even the Queen herself donated to Ukraine. The whole world is against Russia. My country...
Great to see Mk helping the refugees. Please don’t think this is against Russia. This is against Putin. Lets hope it is stopped immediately for the sake of Ukraine and ultimately all of us.
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Yes, it was nice to see that Mark is helping, even the Queen herself donated to Ukraine. The whole world is against Russia. My country...
Great to see Mk helping the refugees. Please don’t think this is against Russia. This is against Putin. Lets hope it is stopped immediately for the sake of Ukraine and ultimately all of us.
Thank you! What you need to understand is this: when he became the president, Mr Putin had a blank page, carte blanche in his hands. He had a young, powerful and growing country that just survived 70 years of communism, and an extremely positive economical potential. He could do everything with this country, make it the second Norway, second Singapore, make it great. But he chose not to do all that and ended up where he is today, so I can't and will never say that the blood of the Ukrainian people is on my hands.
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"Please don’t think this is against Russia. This is against Putin"
It's true.
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Yes, it was nice to see that Mark is helping, even the Queen herself donated to Ukraine. The whole world is against Russia. My country...
Great to see Mk helping the refugees. Please don’t think this is against Russia. This is against Putin. Lets hope it is stopped immediately for the sake of Ukraine and ultimately all of us.
Here, fu##ing here Banjo99uk
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"Please don’t think this is against Russia. This is against Putin"
It's true.
I cannot agree more!
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"Please don’t think this is against Russia. This is against Putin"
It's true.
I cannot agree more!
Me too!
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Not saying Putin’s right but it’s not so black and white, the truth is always in that grey area people tend to avoid cos it’s too complicated. George Soros has been talking about taking over Eastern Europe using NATO for over thirty years now. Nobody wants the enemy living next door. In addition, nobody seemed to care when Ukraine attacked separatists from the Donbass area - most people here probably don’t even know what happened there. All that being said the only reason why Putin had the guts to kick off this madness was because Biden, Macron, Merkel/ Scholz, Trudeau and other leaders are too weak to do what has to be done and he knew it. I know people are not ready to come across words like these but that’s how the real world works and the sooner everyone realizes that the better.
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Not saying Putin’s right but it’s not so black and white, the truth is always in that grey area people tend to avoid cos it’s too complicated. George Soros has been talking about taking over Eastern Europe using OTAN for over thirty years now. Nobody wants the enemy living next door. In addition, nobody seemed to care when Ukraine attacked separatists from the Donbass area - most people here probably don’t even know what happened there. All that being said the only reason why Putin had the guts to kick off this madness was because Biden, Macron, Merkel/ Scholz, Trudeau and other leaders are too weak to do what has to be done and he knew it. I know people are not ready to come across words like these but that’s how the real world works and the sooner everyone realizes that the better.
Yes, I'm not a fan of black and white world either. Europe has been flirting with Putin for decades, London became Londongrad for a reason. London probably hosted more rich Russians than Moscow... And like 80 thousand property items owned by Russians. It's insane, just complete nonsence. Money talks, oh, how loud money talks. And now Boris Johnson says they will end all that, and frankly, I don't believe it at all.
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Not saying Putin’s right but it’s not so black and white, the truth is always in that grey area people tend to avoid cos it’s too complicated. George Soros has been talking about taking over Eastern Europe using OTAN for over thirty years now. Nobody wants the enemy living next door. In addition, nobody seemed to care when Ukraine attacked separatists from the Donbass area - most people here probably don’t even know what happened there. All that being said the only reason why Putin had the guts to kick off this madness was because Biden, Macron, Merkel/ Scholz, Trudeau and other leaders are too weak to do what has to be done and he knew it. I know people are not ready to come across words like these but that’s how the real world works and the sooner everyone realizes that the better.
Yes, I'm not a fan of black and white world either. Europe has been flirting with Putin for decades, London became Londongrad for a reason. London probably hosted more rich Russians than Moscow... And like 80 thousand property items owned by Russians. It's insane, just complete nonsence. Money talks, oh, how loud money talks. And now Boris Johnson says they will end all that, and frankly, I don't believe it at all.
Yes, and I love how Mark is helping the only real victims there, the people. No politics, just aid straight to those in need. What a man.
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Not saying Putin’s right but it’s not so black and white, the truth is always in that grey area people tend to avoid cos it’s too complicated. George Soros has been talking about taking over Eastern Europe using OTAN for over thirty years now. Nobody wants the enemy living next door. In addition, nobody seemed to care when Ukraine attacked separatists from the Donbass area - most people here probably don’t even know what happened there. All that being said the only reason why Putin had the guts to kick off this madness was because Biden, Macron, Merkel/ Scholz, Trudeau and other leaders are too weak to do what has to be done and he knew it. I know people are not ready to come across words like these but that’s how the real world works and the sooner everyone realizes that the better.
Yes, I'm not a fan of black and white world either. Europe has been flirting with Putin for decades, London became Londongrad for a reason. London probably hosted more rich Russians than Moscow... And like 80 thousand property items owned by Russians. It's insane, just complete nonsence. Money talks, oh, how loud money talks. And now Boris Johnson says they will end all that, and frankly, I don't believe it at all.
Yes, and I love how Mark is helping the only real victims there, the people. No politics, just aid straight to those in need. What a man.
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I was listening to the song Brothers In Arms and it hits home even harder now :( It would be good for Mark to donate any profits from that song to Ukraine, people should download it.
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Yes. Like Brothers In Arms in 2007 (Falkland Islands)
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Yes, it was nice to see that Mark is helping, even the Queen herself donated to Ukraine. The whole world is against Russia. My country...
Great to see Mk helping the refugees. Please don’t think this is against Russia. This is against Putin. Lets hope it is stopped immediately for the sake of Ukraine and ultimately all of us.
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Difficult to believe it's a gangster and a few of his comrades against the majority of the world.
Also can't believe we came so close to a nuclear disaster worse than Chernobyl yesterday.
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Yes, it was nice to see that Mark is helping, even the Queen herself donated to Ukraine. The whole world is against Russia. My country...
Great to see Mk helping the refugees. Please don’t think this is against Russia. This is against Putin. Lets hope it is stopped immediately for the sake of Ukraine and ultimately all of us.
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Difficult to believe it's a gangster and a few of his comrades against the majority of the world.
Also can't believe we came so close to a nuclear disaster worse than Chernobyl yesterday.
You can't even imagine how small the pool of people who control Russia. It's like a small family and a couple of friends, and all the decisions come from this little group of people. That means all the ministers, the president(s), anyone with a major role come from this one group. This is how it was for decades in Soviet Union, so it's as far from democracy it could really get, it's the complete opposite of democracy. It's like monarchy, only much worse. The average age of decision makers in Russia is like 70. They're all from USSR, they were born there, it's their country and they want it back.
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Not saying Putin’s right but it’s not so black and white, the truth is always in that grey area people tend to avoid cos it’s too complicated. George Soros has been talking about taking over Eastern Europe using NATO for over thirty years now. Nobody wants the enemy living next door. In addition, nobody seemed to care when Ukraine attacked separatists from the Donbass area - most people here probably don’t even know what happened there. All that being said the only reason why Putin had the guts to kick off this madness was because Biden, Macron, Merkel/ Scholz, Trudeau and other leaders are too weak to do what has to be done and he knew it. I know people are not ready to come across words like these but that’s how the real world works and the sooner everyone realizes that the better.
I disagree with you. NATO is not the enemy of Russia. NATO is the enemy of those that want harm to its democratic members. It‘s a defense pact. NATO expansion to the east meant expansion of democracy to the east. Putin does not have the right to dictate to souvereign countries if they are democratic or not. He still does because successful democracies right at his doorstep are a threat to his reign. He attacked Ukraine because he did not want it to be successful.
Being Slavic myself I cannot overstate the pain I am in. Slavic nations are culturally very close to each other but there has always been the divide between authocratically governed Russia and more freedom oriented western Slavic nations. I suffer both for the innocent Ukrainians but also for the regular Russian solders, often boys that couldn‘t even grow a beard yet, and that have to die for the sick visions of this the dictator Putin. The Man‘s Too Strong!!! I wish deeply that soon he will get punished for what he did. And to my Russian friends that are suffering themselves from him: we are with you and I do believe it was a mistake of the west not to integrate you deeper in the 90s, to reach out with a helping hand in 1998. We let you down just like the Weimarer Republic was let down after the 1st world war. I believe Russia needs freedom, it needs a Marshall Plan as well after all this and it needs to join the community of free countries.
Kudos to MK for organizing aid. Doing the same here.
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Not saying Putin’s right but it’s not so black and white, the truth is always in that grey area people tend to avoid cos it’s too complicated. George Soros has been talking about taking over Eastern Europe using NATO for over thirty years now. Nobody wants the enemy living next door. In addition, nobody seemed to care when Ukraine attacked separatists from the Donbass area - most people here probably don’t even know what happened there. All that being said the only reason why Putin had the guts to kick off this madness was because Biden, Macron, Merkel/ Scholz, Trudeau and other leaders are too weak to do what has to be done and he knew it. I know people are not ready to come across words like these but that’s how the real world works and the sooner everyone realizes that the better.
I don't want to get into any sort of political argument, but living in a country where we like to believe we have a free press I can't say that I've ever heard anything about NATO having "expansionist plans" for Eastern Europe or into Russian territory. If the countries between Russia & the rest of Europe wish to join the E.U. and ask to join NATO, that is a different matter and can only be because they have had concerns about Russia and seek protection against exactly the sort of thing that has happened. Unfortunately Putin sees this as a threat while the rest of us probably see it as a defensive measure by the countries concerned. The Western European leaders are acting the way they are because they are dealing with a political leadership that is relying on the thinly veiled threat of Nuclear war to get their way and nobody knows how far Putin is actually prepared to go. :(
Tomcaster above states very well the NATO position .
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Not surprised you guys haven’t heard about NATO’s strategies and all that. I’m not getting into politics here… I do it for a living, but not here.
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Not surprised you guys haven’t heard about NATO’s strategies and all that. I’m not getting into politics here… I do it for a living, but not here.
With all due respect, smells like conspiration theory to me. Let‘s look at obvious facts: if there was a strong NATO agenda for aggressive expansion, the previous US president would not have wanted to pull back from it. Also, if you look at the NATO expansion in Eastern Europe I honestly don‘t see any harm done to any of these nations and no intention to harm Russia either. Today‘s war only proves the point that NATO is still needed because Putin broke the security warranties issued by his predesessor Yeltsin towards Ukraine in the early 90s (done in exchange for Ukraine handing over the nuclear arsenal). Nobody wants Russia any harm, nations rather join NATO because they fear Russia. It‘s a pity that Putin reinforced these fears so much again and generations will not forget. We should focus our spendings on climate change and not on wars. What a waste of human life, time and resources.
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Not surprised you guys haven’t heard about NATO’s strategies and all that. I’m not getting into politics here… I do it for a living, but not here.
With all due respect, smells like conspiration theory to me. Let‘s look at obvious facts: if there was a strong NATO agenda for aggressive expansion, the previous US president would not have wanted to pull back from it. Also, if you look at the NATO expansion in Eastern Europe I honestly don‘t see any harm done to any of these nations and no intention to harm Russia either. Today‘s war only proves the point that NATO is still needed because Putin broke the security warranties issued by his predesessor Yeltsin towards Ukraine in the early 90s (done in exchange for Ukraine handing over the nuclear arsenal). Nobody wants Russia any harm, nations rather join NATO because they fear Russia. It‘s a pity that Putin reinforced these fears so much again and generations will not forget. We should focus our spendings on climate change and not on wars. What a waste of human life, time and resources.
What Putin has instigated is truly disgusting and a tragedy but Eddie does have a valid point. Ask yourselves this. How would the West respond to similar Russian interests popping up on our doorsteps?
In order to bring an end to this we at least need to try and understand the motivations behind it.
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Not surprised you guys haven’t heard about NATO’s strategies and all that. I’m not getting into politics here… I do it for a living, but not here.
With all due respect, smells like conspiration theory to me. Let‘s look at obvious facts: if there was a strong NATO agenda for aggressive expansion, the previous US president would not have wanted to pull back from it. Also, if you look at the NATO expansion in Eastern Europe I honestly don‘t see any harm done to any of these nations and no intention to harm Russia either. Today‘s war only proves the point that NATO is still needed because Putin broke the security warranties issued by his predesessor Yeltsin towards Ukraine in the early 90s (done in exchange for Ukraine handing over the nuclear arsenal). Nobody wants Russia any harm, nations rather join NATO because they fear Russia. It‘s a pity that Putin reinforced these fears so much again and generations will not forget. We should focus our spendings on climate change and not on wars. What a waste of human life, time and resources.
As well as Bilderberg was a conspiracy and today it has a website with meeting schedules. Look, as I said, I do it for a living and this forum is leisure. It’s easy to put your feet up and stay in the dark, I get it. I’m done here in this topic. Mark’s a great man and I’m sure we all agree on that. Peace.
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My country knows what war is. Today I cannot imagine being outside NATO.
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Not surprised you guys haven’t heard about NATO’s strategies and all that. I’m not getting into politics here… I do it for a living, but not here.
With all due respect, smells like conspiration theory to me. Let‘s look at obvious facts: if there was a strong NATO agenda for aggressive expansion, the previous US president would not have wanted to pull back from it. Also, if you look at the NATO expansion in Eastern Europe I honestly don‘t see any harm done to any of these nations and no intention to harm Russia either. Today‘s war only proves the point that NATO is still needed because Putin broke the security warranties issued by his predesessor Yeltsin towards Ukraine in the early 90s (done in exchange for Ukraine handing over the nuclear arsenal). Nobody wants Russia any harm, nations rather join NATO because they fear Russia. It‘s a pity that Putin reinforced these fears so much again and generations will not forget. We should focus our spendings on climate change and not on wars. What a waste of human life, time and resources.
What Putin has instigated is truly disgusting and a tragedy but Eddie does have a valid point. Ask yourselves this. How would the West respond to similar Russian interests popping up on our doorsteps?
In order to bring an end to this we at least need to try and understand the motivations behind it.
Ask yourself this: would you want your country to be a doorstep? I see you are in UK. Would you want to live in Belarus? How about you ask Pavel here if he thinks that he needs Putins protection from the “bad west”? People were prosecuted, imprisoned, killed for tens of years behind the iron curtain because they fought this involuntary protection granted by a regime
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Not surprised you guys haven’t heard about NATO’s strategies and all that. I’m not getting into politics here… I do it for a living, but not here.
With all due respect, smells like conspiration theory to me. Let‘s look at obvious facts: if there was a strong NATO agenda for aggressive expansion, the previous US president would not have wanted to pull back from it. Also, if you look at the NATO expansion in Eastern Europe I honestly don‘t see any harm done to any of these nations and no intention to harm Russia either. Today‘s war only proves the point that NATO is still needed because Putin broke the security warranties issued by his predesessor Yeltsin towards Ukraine in the early 90s (done in exchange for Ukraine handing over the nuclear arsenal). Nobody wants Russia any harm, nations rather join NATO because they fear Russia. It‘s a pity that Putin reinforced these fears so much again and generations will not forget. We should focus our spendings on climate change and not on wars. What a waste of human life, time and resources.
As well as Bilderberg was a conspiracy and today it has a website with meeting schedules. Look, as I said, I do it for a living and this forum is leisure. It’s easy to put your feet up and stay in the dark, I get it. I’m done here in this topic. Mark’s a great man and I’m sure we all agree on that. Peace.
Yeah right and the Corona virus is a conspiracy as well, right? Again: if you have concrete facts to share, please do. If not, let us agree to call completely unjustified war crimes as such.
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No actually I think this is a very valuable discussion because there are people reading us that might not know what to think of all of this and it is important to share and challenge views based on facts. The less intransparency, the better. Also, particularly on a MK forum, respect is key. I always imagine the man himself reading out stuff ;-)
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Not surprised you guys haven’t heard about NATO’s strategies and all that. I’m not getting into politics here… I do it for a living, but not here.
With all due respect, smells like conspiration theory to me. Let‘s look at obvious facts: if there was a strong NATO agenda for aggressive expansion, the previous US president would not have wanted to pull back from it. Also, if you look at the NATO expansion in Eastern Europe I honestly don‘t see any harm done to any of these nations and no intention to harm Russia either. Today‘s war only proves the point that NATO is still needed because Putin broke the security warranties issued by his predesessor Yeltsin towards Ukraine in the early 90s (done in exchange for Ukraine handing over the nuclear arsenal). Nobody wants Russia any harm, nations rather join NATO because they fear Russia. It‘s a pity that Putin reinforced these fears so much again and generations will not forget. We should focus our spendings on climate change and not on wars. What a waste of human life, time and resources.
As well as Bilderberg was a conspiracy and today it has a website with meeting schedules. Look, as I said, I do it for a living and this forum is leisure. It’s easy to put your feet up and stay in the dark, I get it. I’m done here in this topic. Mark’s a great man and I’m sure we all agree on that. Peace.
Yeah right and the Corona virus is a conspiracy as well, right? Again: if you have concrete facts to share, please do. If not, let us agree to call completely unjustified war crimes as such.
I think you misunderstood me. No one wants or deserves to be a pawn, but unfortunately this is what international politics is. Ukraine is another round, another offensive in a never-ending chess match between 2 rival, incompatible political ideologies.
War is a terrible thing whoever is the aggressor, ask the 500000 people who died in Iraq or the millions of refugees that illegitimate war created.
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Try to explain that to the father of the 18 month old child killed today when Putins army broke cease fire and attacked people trying to get out of a besieged city (Kharkiv)
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After 1991, the new Russia has learned a lot from Western countries. The lessons of the bombing of Yugoslavia, the destruction of Iraq, the invasion of Libya and Afghanistan are well studied. Now Russia is using all possible methods of the Western world. Are you surprised?
About Ukraine. Many of you do not know at all what has been happening in Ukraine in general and in the Donbas region in particular since 2014. The "free press" does not report this. Because this is a very uncomfortable truth for the Western world. It's double standards and hypocrisy.
Ukraine is a de facto member of NATO. Over the past few years, NATO countries have supplied hundreds of NATO military instructors and tons of lethal weapons. The Ukrainian army has been completely modernized according to the NATO standards. Before 24 February it was srongest army in Europe.
You did not even have time to understand that the war between Russia and NATO has already begun. Without the direct participation of the NATO countries themselves, using Ukraine as a proxy. The events in Ukraine are the hot phase of this war.
And even this is not the most important thing. This is a tragic stage in the beginning of the global reset of the old world order. All this will lead to great upheavals and casualties throughout the world, including in Russia itself.
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Try to explain that to the father of the 18 month old child killed today when Putins army broke cease fire and attacked people trying to get out of a besieged city (Kharkiv)
What is your point Tomcaster? No one here is denying the awful realities happening in Ukraine. Do you not think that an understanding of the antecedents of this current aggression is important? That's really all I was saying.....
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Can I just commend everyone for staying cool on this highly emotive subject, let's keep it that way. :)
And on a personal level sending love and best wishes to Pavel in this highly difficult time.
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And on a personal level sending love and best wishes to Pavel in this highly difficult time.
While my immediate sympathy goes to the Ukranian people, I feel so sorry for regular Russians. Thousands now arrested just because they are voicing their opposition to this war. Not to mention the many Russian soldiers who have been deployed to do Putin's dirty work, many of whom for sure are acting contrary to their conscience. But they know if they disobey orders or desert, they will face severe punishment and very likely their families as well. There's no end to the cruelty that sick bastard is capable of.
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And on a personal level sending love and best wishes to Pavel in this highly difficult time.
While my immediate sympathy goes to the Ukranian people, I feel so sorry for regular Russians. Thousands now arrested just because they are voicing their opposition to this war. Not to mention the many Russian soldiers who have been deployed to do Putin's dirty work, many of whom for sure are acting contrary to their conscience. But they know if they disobey orders or desert, they will face severe punishment and very likely their families as well. There's no end to the cruelty that sick bastard is capable of.
I can't imagine how difficult life must be for ordinary Russians just now with all the sanctions that have been applied. Unfortunately they had to be applied because it's just about the only instrument that can be used to exert pressure on Putin without starting WW3, but it's ordinary people who will be affected, not Putin and his cronies.
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And on a personal level sending love and best wishes to Pavel in this highly difficult time.
While my immediate sympathy goes to the Ukranian people, I feel so sorry for regular Russians. Thousands now arrested just because they are voicing their opposition to this war. Not to mention the many Russian soldiers who have been deployed to do Putin's dirty work, many of whom for sure are acting contrary to their conscience. But they know if they disobey orders or desert, they will face severe punishment and very likely their families as well. There's no end to the cruelty that sick bastard is capable of.
I can't imagine how difficult life must be for ordinary Russians just now with all the sanctions that have been applied. Unfortunately they had to be applied because it's just about the only instrument that can be used to exert pressure on Putin without starting WW3, but it's ordinary people who will be affected, not Putin and his cronies.
The rich and powerful always get away, unfortunately.
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The great Steve Earle sums it up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyD5qVbGhbo
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Can I just commend everyone for staying cool on this highly emotive subject, let's keep it that way. :)
And on a personal level sending love and best wishes to Pavel in this highly difficult time.
Thank you Dusty. It's incredibly hard for me, I cry every day and try to think about future that doesn't exist. What happens here is basically clinical death. No job, no money, no future. Only trying to stay positive, which is easier said than done, and hope for the best. Get ready for the worst. There are people in better position than myself, a lot of people were able to get out of the country, but I'll stay here.
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OK, I deleted all the shit talking, please keep it civil and not personal or we'll have to close the thread.
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Can I just commend everyone for staying cool on this highly emotive subject, let's keep it that way. :)
And on a personal level sending love and best wishes to Pavel in this highly difficult time.
Thank you Dusty. It's incredibly hard for me, I cry every day and try to think about future that doesn't exist. What happens here is basically clinical death. No job, no money, no future. Only trying to stay positive, which is easier said than done, and hope for the best. Get ready for the worst. There are people in better position than myself, a lot of people were able to get out of the country, but I'll stay here.
I'm also very sorry about you and the other Russians here. Suffering the consequences of the decisions of someone that very clearly don't give a damm about his citiziens.
I wish you the best.
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OK, I deleted all the shit talking, please keep it civil and not personal or we'll have to close the thread.
Thanks, mate.
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information control is the new
gold no rather the new water forget it it's uh the new....
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Try to explain that to the father of the 18 month old child killed today when Putins army broke cease fire and attacked people trying to get out of a besieged city (Kharkiv)
What is your point Tomcaster? No one here is denying the awful realities happening in Ukraine. Do you not think that an understanding of the antecedents of this current aggression is important? That's really all I was saying.....
What I want to say is that these presenting a logic that "it is US fault that they came too close to US borders" is wrong because it's not the fault of Ukraine that they are neighbors to Mr. Putin. People die because they wanted to be more than a buffer zone. When discussions become to theoretical it is important to remind them of the result of the twisted thinking of that regime.
I also fully support the suffering young liberal Russians that see their country moving away further from the west and into the arms of probably the Chinese. Unfortunately if they want to change that faith they also need to do something about it. Easy to say from a warm chair somewhere in the EU, but this is the only way.
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For me there is not any excuse to invade another country and kill their people. Whatever you say to justify it it's just bullshit.
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Try to explain that to the father of the 18 month old child killed today when Putins army broke cease fire and attacked people trying to get out of a besieged city (Kharkiv)
What is your point Tomcaster? No one here is denying the awful realities happening in Ukraine. Do you not think that an understanding of the antecedents of this current aggression is important? That's really all I was saying.....
What I want to say is that these presenting a logic that "it is US fault that they came too close to US borders" is wrong because it's not the fault of Ukraine that they are neighbors to Mr. Putin. People die because they wanted to be more than a buffer zone. When discussions become to theoretical it is important to remind them of the result of the twisted thinking of that regime.
I also fully support the suffering young liberal Russians that see their country moving away further from the west and into the arms of probably the Chinese. Unfortunately if they want to change that faith they also need to do something about it. Easy to say from a warm chair somewhere in the EU, but this is the only way.
Don’t waste your time, my friend. Some people are either too lazy to think outside the box or scared of people doing so. It just amazes me how one can look up to the likes of Fidel, Che and Lenin and still feel eligible to criticize others on wars and so on.
Wanna have a good time here? Listen to the press, accept it. There’s the good guy, the bad guy and noble organizations looking after you. Anything or everything other than that is a conspiracy. Copy that?
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as this thread can simply not move in a civilised manner, i will close it.
we need to focus on the music here.