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Title: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: Knut on February 02, 2023, 04:35:26 PM
Summer of love is one. But, is it the only one?

I don't listen to all his songs equally often, so if I missed something "obvious", bear with me :)
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: dustyvalentino on February 02, 2023, 04:43:52 PM
Summer of love is one. But, is it the only one?

I don't listen to all his songs equally often, so if I missed something "obvious", bear with me :)

Good question. I was thinking All That Matters which is predominantly Richard on his dobro but from memory MK has a small acoustic solo in there as well.
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: Robson on February 02, 2023, 04:48:26 PM
Do I remember correctly? In When You Leave, Mark didn't play guitar.
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: KnopfleRick on February 02, 2023, 08:13:29 PM
Do I remember correctly? In When You Leave, Mark didn't play guitar.

Yes, you do. Your memory is still working very well, Robson.  ;)
In Episode 08/British Grove Broadcasts 2020 Mark talked about it that he didn't need to play the guitar but Richard did.

Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: Robson on February 02, 2023, 08:17:45 PM
Do I remember correctly? In When You Leave, Mark didn't play guitar.

Yes, you do. Your memory is still working very well, Robson.  ;)
In Episode 08/British Grove Broadcasts 2020 Mark talked about it that he didn't need to play the guitar but Richard did.

Thank you KnopfleRick  :) True, it was on the radio show.
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: KnopfleRick on February 02, 2023, 08:20:52 PM
Just found the transcript in my junkyard  ;D


Episode 8 / British Broadcasts – Host: Mark Knopfler

When You Leave – Mark Knopfler
Down The Road Wherever (2018)

And this next song is from the Down The Road Wherever album made by yours truly. And in fact, I seem to remember that I didn’t need to play the guitar on it –Richard was already manning an acoustic at the time and we had the wonderful Tom Walsh on trumpet, and I must have figured that I didn’t need a job. So the song – “When You Leave.”
I can’t really remember many tracks where I haven’t played the guitar when I’ve been in the studio, but that was one. So with Richard manning guitar, I’m in a pretty good position and with the pianist in my band – one Jim Cox from Long Beach.
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: Robson on February 02, 2023, 08:21:55 PM
Just found the transcript in my junkyard  ;D


Episode 8 / British Broadcasts – Host: Mark Knopfler

When You Leave – Mark Knopfler
Down The Road Wherever (2018)

And this next song is from the Down The Road Wherever album made by yours truly. And in fact, I seem to remember that I didn’t need to play the guitar on it –Richard was already manning an acoustic at the time and we had the wonderful Tom Walsh on trumpet, and I must have figured that I didn’t need a job. So the song – “When You Leave.”
I can’t really remember many tracks where I haven’t played the guitar when I’ve been in the studio, but that was one. So with Richard manning guitar, I’m in a pretty good position and with the pianist in my band – one Jim Cox from Long Beach.

 :thumbsup
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: quizzaciously on February 02, 2023, 10:23:08 PM
Private Dancer LOL

But seriously... Not many songs, huh? Makes you think about how big of an influence MK has on his own songs. People underestimate that I think.

P.S. Also Wild West End Live 1985/86
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: TheTimeWasWrong on February 03, 2023, 12:45:48 AM
Not his song, but I think it’s Richard on Love And Happiness.

The main riff on Lets See You?
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: JF on February 03, 2023, 10:57:02 AM
yes I was thinking about Let's see you too

and also :

- Romeo and Juliet at the Boothbay gig. Richard on lead
- walk of life : EC lead at Mandela, Paul Franklin lead in 91-92, and Mike Henderson lead in 2001
- Wag the dog live in 2001 : Mike Henderson lead
- On every street : Paul Franklin lead in studio and live 91-92, and Nigel Hitchcock live on later tours
- Two young lovers. Hal lead
- Portobello belle live 80-81. Hal lead
- 5:15 am live. Richard lead
- Daddy's gone to Knoxwille. Richard lead on lapsteel

Richard is also on electric lead on good as gold, but Mark is on lead acoustic
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: dustyvalentino on February 03, 2023, 02:44:53 PM
Not his song, but I think it’s Richard on Love And Happiness.

The main riff on Lets See You?

Also not his songs, but the Emmylou songs on Real Live Roadrunning, he just plays acoustic.
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: JF on February 03, 2023, 02:57:41 PM
Not his song, but I think it’s Richard on Love And Happiness.

The main riff on Lets See You?

Also not his songs, but the Emmylou songs on Real Live Roadrunning, he just plays acoustic.

except Michelangelo he plays the Les paul
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: dustyvalentino on February 03, 2023, 03:31:59 PM
Not his song, but I think it’s Richard on Love And Happiness.

The main riff on Lets See You?

Also not his songs, but the Emmylou songs on Real Live Roadrunning, he just plays acoustic.

except Michelangelo he plays the Les paul

It's not on Real Live Roadrunning :)

Joking, good catch, I haven't watched or listened to that release for years, must rectify that.
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: JF on February 03, 2023, 04:04:26 PM
Not his song, but I think it’s Richard on Love And Happiness.

The main riff on Lets See You?

Also not his songs, but the Emmylou songs on Real Live Roadrunning, he just plays acoustic.

except Michelangelo he plays the Les paul

It's not on Real Live Roadrunning :)

Joking, good catch, I haven't watched or listened to that release for years, must rectify that.

yes of course  :) A pity that Emmylou asked to remove it from the release

I like very much this concert. great moment in MK solo carreer imho
https://textes-blog-rock-n-roll.fr/il-y-a-15-ans-etait-filme-le-concert-de-m-knopfler-et-e-harris/
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: Robson on February 03, 2023, 05:19:17 PM
I always missed I Dug Up A Diamond on CD.
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: Jules on February 03, 2023, 05:25:04 PM
I always missed I Dug Up A Diamond on CD.

It is in my cd

 ;D
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: Robson on February 03, 2023, 05:29:50 PM
I have it on CD too :) But it's officially only on DVD.
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: dustyvalentino on February 03, 2023, 05:53:48 PM
Luckily we have a nice complete soundboard show from Verona as well.
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: Robson on February 03, 2023, 05:58:28 PM
Luckily we have a nice complete soundboard show from Verona as well.

It's true. From the beautiful Arena:)
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: MagicElliott on February 03, 2023, 09:47:24 PM
Also from the Emmylou tour, he strummed his heart out on Born to Run and Richard played the lead.
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: Dutchessy on February 03, 2023, 10:52:01 PM
You dont know you're born, solo by Richard
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: JF on February 04, 2023, 12:57:31 PM
You dont know you're born, solo by Richard


 :o ???
what ??? of course not, it's Mark !
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: Dutchessy on February 05, 2023, 12:51:03 AM
You sure?
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: JF on February 05, 2023, 12:43:44 PM
You sure?

never heard of that. I bet Guy's response is about Romeo

Mark said in an interview that he plays the Hank Marvin style with the Jurassic strat on You don't know you're born

of course, Richard has the same kind of sound on several songs but it doesn't proove that he plays this solo

the sound on that song is the same as on Our shangri-La, Everybody pays etc.. and it's Mark for sure
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: dustyvalentino on February 06, 2023, 10:15:15 AM
You sure?

never heard of that. I bet Guy's response is about Romeo

Mark said in an interview that he plays the Hank Marvin style with the Jurassic strat on You don't know you're born

of course, Richard has the same kind of sound on several songs but it doesn't proove that he plays this solo

the sound on that song is the same as on Our shangri-La, Everybody pays etc.. and it's Mark for sure

This is my recollection as well, it's MK. Sounds like MK as well.
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: Jules on February 06, 2023, 11:10:19 AM
You sure?

Guy's answer is about Romeo.
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: dustyvalentino on February 06, 2023, 02:14:38 PM
I have a vague memory of MK speaking about this to Johnnie Walker on Radio 2 when the album came out but don't have it to hand to check out. I do remember he spoke about Chad's drumming on the track.
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: Jules on February 06, 2023, 04:26:13 PM
I recall MK talking about "you don't know you're born" and telling he wanted to play a solo like Hank Marvin.

He played the same solo, note by note, on Jimmy Webb 's "by the time I got to Phoenix"

Minute 2.53

https://youtu.be/x02AUMOkNDE
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: KnopfleRick on February 06, 2023, 05:27:34 PM
"Broken Bones" is another song that Richard played lead guitar, isn't it?
At least I can remember seeing him play lead on the Tracker Tour, but I don't know if he played lead on the album as well.
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: Dutchessy on February 06, 2023, 05:47:49 PM
I recall MK talking about "you don't know you're born" and telling he wanted to play a solo like Hank Marvin.

He played the same solo, note by note, on Jimmy Webb 's "by the time I got to Phoenix"

Minute 2.53

https://youtu.be/x02AUMOkNDE

Total different solo but indeed, its the same style.
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: Dutchessy on February 06, 2023, 05:50:23 PM
You sure?

never heard of that. I bet Guy's response is about Romeo

Mark said in an interview that he plays the Hank Marvin style with the Jurassic strat on You don't know you're born

of course, Richard has the same kind of sound on several songs but it doesn't proove that he plays this solo

the sound on that song is the same as on Our shangri-La, Everybody pays etc.. and it's Mark for sure

I totally believe you, even if Dusty confirms i surrender  ;) I always thought it was Richard who played this solo, probably since i saw that comment from Guy in 2008. I like the solo, i fooled myself for 15 years then  :lol
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: JF on February 06, 2023, 05:55:34 PM
"Broken Bones" is another song that Richard played lead guitar, isn't it?
At least I can remember seeing him play lead on the Tracker Tour, but I don't know if he played lead on the album as well.
in studio it only can be Mark as he is alone on guitars on this album
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: KnopfleRick on February 06, 2023, 07:36:21 PM
"Broken Bones" is another song that Richard played lead guitar, isn't it?
At least I can remember seeing him play lead on the Tracker Tour, but I don't know if he played lead on the album as well.
in studio it only can be Mark as he is alone on guitars on this album

Yes, you are right. I forgot about it!  :smack
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: Jules on February 06, 2023, 08:08:48 PM
I recall MK talking about "you don't know you're born" and telling he wanted to play a solo like Hank Marvin.

He played the same solo, note by note, on Jimmy Webb 's "by the time I got to Phoenix"

Minute 2.53

https://youtu.be/x02AUMOkNDE

Total different solo but indeed, its the same style.

Note by note, is the same solo, but slower.
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: dustyvalentino on February 07, 2023, 10:28:26 AM
I know what Dutchessy is saying, it's not EXACTLY note for note, but it's very, very, very similar :)
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: MagicElliott on February 07, 2023, 07:08:18 PM
The Ragpicker’s Dream album has an interview with Mark somewhere where he talks about each of the songs and the approach they took. I can’t find it online for the life of me though. It may mention Richard’s involvement on the song in question.
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: Robson on February 07, 2023, 07:26:52 PM
The Ragpicker’s Dream album has an interview with Mark somewhere where he talks about each of the songs and the approach they took. I can’t find it online for the life of me though. It may mention Richard’s involvement on the song in question.

From the official MK website, the link to The Ragpicker's Dream movie is not available :(

But it's here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfbVTczudZ8
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: MagicElliott on February 07, 2023, 11:15:30 PM
Ah thanks.
I was referring to a written breakdown by MK, which I have now found.

No mention of Richard’s solo but interesting article.
https://www.oocities.org/shoaib_knopfler/interview/trd.html
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: Robson on February 08, 2023, 03:09:36 AM
Ah thanks.
I was referring to a written breakdown by MK, which I have now found.

No mention of Richard’s solo but interesting article.
https://www.oocities.org/shoaib_knopfler/interview/trd.html

I salvaged more interviews from this site. I printed them :)
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: dustyvalentino on February 08, 2023, 09:53:51 AM
Does anyone have that Jonnie Walker show recording? I think I have it on minidisc somewhere but no way of playing it!
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: JF on February 12, 2023, 02:57:49 PM
I recall MK talking about "you don't know you're born" and telling he wanted to play a solo like Hank Marvin.

He played the same solo, note by note, on Jimmy Webb 's "by the time I got to Phoenix"

Minute 2.53

https://youtu.be/x02AUMOkNDE

Total different solo but indeed, its the same style.

Note by note, is the same solo, but slower.

are you sure it's Mark who is playing the guitar ?
isn't it Glenn Campbell as credited ?

in this album, Mark is only credited on Highwayman : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_Across_the_River

maybe it's an omission ?
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: Robson on February 12, 2023, 03:23:52 PM
The official MK website only gives Highwayman. The Long Road Mark Knopfler Sessions website gives two titles Highwayman and By The Time I Get To Phoenix. But in an interview with the Polish magazine "Teraz Rock" Mark talks about By The Time I Get To Phoenix. He says he was invited by Jimmy Webb to record this song.
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: Jules on February 12, 2023, 03:45:28 PM
I recall MK talking about "you don't know you're born" and telling he wanted to play a solo like Hank Marvin.

He played the same solo, note by note, on Jimmy Webb 's "by the time I got to Phoenix"

Minute 2.53

https://youtu.be/x02AUMOkNDE

Total different solo but indeed, its the same style.

Note by note, is the same solo, but slower.

are you sure it's Mark who is playing the guitar ?
isn't it Glenn Campbell as credited ?

in this album, Mark is only credited on Highwayman : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_Across_the_River

maybe it's an omission ?

The collaborations credited are the cosingers in every song, in that specific song is credited Glenn Campbell as he sings the duo, but MK also plays the guitar solo.

Mk is credited in the song he sings with Jimmy.
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: JF on February 12, 2023, 05:56:53 PM
thanks Robson and Jbaent  :)
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: Rivers Of Rain on February 15, 2023, 10:59:27 PM
Looking at the thread title in a slightly different way, one song that stands out as lacking lead guitar from the Dire Straits era is Portobello Belle, which I think is the only song from the first two albums with the original four man line up which doesn't feature any true 'lead' guitar parts. I assume Mark plays the resonator guitar on this track, so he is playing the main guitar part in a strict sense, but he doesn't play a solo or even any fills so it is essentially a rhythm part throughout the song. I don't think Wild West End from the first album has a guitar solo either but it does have Mark playing lead fills throughout the track so the difference is not as noticeable. Portobello Belle, on the other hand, is unique in its era for lacking prominent lead guitar parts.
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: dustyvalentino on February 16, 2023, 10:24:35 AM
Looking at the thread title in a slightly different way, one song that stands out as lacking lead guitar from the Dire Straits era is Portobello Belle, which I think is the only song from the first two albums with the original four man line up which doesn't feature any true 'lead' guitar parts. I assume Mark plays the resonator guitar on this track, so he is playing the main guitar part in a strict sense, but he doesn't play a solo or even any fills so it is essentially a rhythm part throughout the song. I don't think Wild West End from the first album has a guitar solo either but it does have Mark playing lead fills throughout the track so the difference is not as noticeable. Portobello Belle, on the other hand, is unique in its era for lacking prominent lead guitar parts.

Nice catch!
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: qjamesfloyd on February 16, 2023, 12:19:22 PM
However, it does have lead guitar when it was played live.
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: Jules on February 16, 2023, 12:37:24 PM
However, it does have lead guitar when it was played live.

But I think it's from Hal Lindes.
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: JF on February 16, 2023, 06:08:20 PM
However, it does have lead guitar when it was played live.

But I think it's from Hal Lindes.

the first solo yes, but the second is Mark

https://youtu.be/lZbTVw5JeGc
Title: Re: Knopfler songs without MK on lead guitar
Post by: JF on February 16, 2023, 06:10:03 PM
and Mark played a solo on Portobello Belle in 79 :

https://youtu.be/3zRFfsfx18s