A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Pierre on February 11, 2023, 05:50:18 PM
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Rick Beato, famous for his youtube channel was live yesterday and it was about Sultans and quite interesting - it's right there:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIzSGFK364A
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Yeah, long time waiting. It's astonishing how rarely videos on Mark appears on major music channels, but it's always fun to read the comments, where everybody seems to be obsessed with MK's music and guitar playing. How these things — underrateness and universal acclaim — can co-exist is beyond my understanding. I hope for a proper video though, not a live stream from Rick.
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I did not entirely dislike this Beato's live.
Interesting story about the 'Bridge Man' but he talked more about Page and Larry Carlton than Knopfler.
It's clear that Rick is not a MK fan and there is no problem with it.
He mentions one or two guitar phrases then he started to sell the Beato Book and shows the Page solo on Stairway To Heaven.
For a Knopfler admirer... not worthy.
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Yeah, long time waiting. It's astonishing how rarely videos on Mark appears on major music channels, but it's always fun to read the comments, where everybody seems to be obsessed with MK's music and guitar playing. How these things — underrateness and universal acclaim — can co-exist is beyond my understanding. I hope for a proper video though, not a live stream from Rick.
I always felt that MK is the 'hidden favorite guitar player' of the world.
Everyone loves his music, lyrics, sense of melody and, of course, his guitar playing and, as you said Quizz, the major channels seem to reject his work.
Maybe because MK's playing is so unique?
He is not bluesy as Clapton?
Or his songs are not Rock oriented like Zep or Deep Purple?
I really don't know.
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Yeah, long time waiting. It's astonishing how rarely videos on Mark appears on major music channels, but it's always fun to read the comments, where everybody seems to be obsessed with MK's music and guitar playing. How these things — underrateness and universal acclaim — can co-exist is beyond my understanding. I hope for a proper video though, not a live stream from Rick.
I always felt that MK is the 'hidden favorite guitar player' of the world.
Everyone loves his music, lyrics, sense of melody and, of course, his guitar playing and, as you said Quizz, the major channels seem to reject his work.
Maybe because MK's playing is so unique?
He is not bluesy as Clapton?
Or his songs are not Rock oriented like Zep or Deep Purple?
I really don't know.
I think that's because, on the surface level, Mark is "just another finger-style player" and people assume it's like playing regular stuff, but only with fingers, so not a big deal. Not a lot of people actually dig deep into his playing and realise, that he's got one the craziest chops on the planet and perfectly constructed solos and riffs, where every single microscopic move matters. Mark is able to fool people to think that what he's doing is regular finger-style playing, but it's actually completely his own style.
Same thing with his songs, I think so many people know him for Dire Straits and big hits, but not everybody's into his less popular stuff, because again, on the surface it looks like another big-group-star-turned-solo-artist recording boring stuff, not realising he's as creative as in Dire Straits now, and even more.
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I think Mark Knopfler's music suffers from the tag "music for dads" or "music for grown up".
He is not "sexy" enough for some but he has a loyal and long-lasting fan base ready to pay good money for poker chips and overpriced boxsets so he is a gold mine for some avid youtubers.
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I think that's because, on the surface level, Mark is "just another finger-style player" and people assume it's like playing regular stuff, but only with fingers, so not a big deal. Not a lot of people actually dig deep into his playing and realise, that he's got one the craziest chops on the planet and perfectly constructed solos and riffs, where every single microscopic move matters. Mark is able to fool people to think that what he's doing is regular finger-style playing, but it's actually completely his own style.
Same thing with his songs, I think so many people know him for Dire Straits and big hits, but not everybody's into his less popular stuff, because again, on the surface it looks like another big-group-star-turned-solo-artist recording boring stuff, not realising he's as creative as in Dire Straits now, and even more.
Agreed.
Knopfler songs are not for first listeners.
I know a bunch of people that only listen to Sultans, MFN and So far Away and that's all.
You need to going deep to realize how astonishing is the DS/MK work.
As a guitar player, i know other guitarrists that prefer to chalenge themselves with rock virtuosos or jazz fusion styles than the Knopfler style.
In a artistc decision, not to copy MK is a good choice, because his sonority is his signature.ectul
But Beato, as a admirer of other players, mentions more Page and Carlton than Knopfler during a Straits video... I think is a bit disrespectful.
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I did not entirely dislike this Beato's live.
Interesting story about the 'Bridge Man' but he talked more about Page and Larry Carlton than Knopfler.
It's clear that Rick is not a MK fan and there is no problem with it.
He mentions one or two guitar phrases then he started to sell the Beato Book and shows the Page solo on Stairway To Heaven.
For a Knopfler admirer... not worthy.
Totally agree with this. Beato is a click-baiter and talker and makes his videos as long as possible (for advertising/monetizing purposes). And it's particularly irritating when you sit through a full video and the topic is barely discussed ... He does have some good videos though. His interview with Sting, for example, is great. This video not so much.
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Mark Knopfler has toured solo over the years with great success.
I don't agree he is underrated by any means.
This is just he has chosen to go somewhat low profile and be pleased as it.
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Mark Knopfler has toured solo over the years with great success.
I don't agree he is underrated by any means.
This is just he has chosen to go somewhat low profile and be pleased as it.
I agree.
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Underrated is a bad word... He's certainly highly rated and successful, maybe overlooked is a better word? People rarely cover his songs (close to never), he rarely goes to interviews, and Grammy forgot about Mark's existence despite the fact that he's producing one of the best soundings albums in the industry, and with great songs. People rarely discuss his music, he's overlooked in various lists, music YouTube channels, etc., heck, he's not even knighted yet, and he's probably the greatest contender for this. I don't think he will be, by the way.
To be honest, I kinda like that he has this "independent artist" feel, but sometimes I sort of wish more people would appreciate his brilliant songwriting, or at least guitar playing. I try to remedy this a little bit by discussing his music on my channel.
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I found this site recently and couldn't stop reading. ;D
https://www.quora.com/Is-Mark-Knopfler-really-a-good-guitarist-or-is-he-overrated?share=1;D
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I found this site recently and couldn't stop reading. ;D
https://www.quora.com/Is-Mark-Knopfler-really-a-good-guitarist-or-is-he-overrated?share=1;D
LOL! Knopfler and overrated are words from two parallel universes.
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Underrated is a bad word... He's certainly highly rated and successful, maybe overlooked is a better word? People rarely cover his songs (close to never), he rarely goes to interviews, and Grammy forgot about Mark's existence despite the fact that he's producing one of the best soundings albums in the industry, and with great songs. People rarely discuss his music, he's overlooked in various lists, music YouTube channels, etc., heck, he's not even knighted yet, and he's probably the greatest contender for this. I don't think he will be, by the way.
To be honest, I kinda like that he has this "independent artist" feel, but sometimes I sort of wish more people would appreciate his brilliant songwriting, or at least guitar playing. I try to remedy this a little bit by discussing his music on my channel.
Unfortunately, it's all true. But I love his inaccessibility, shyness. The niche he created for himself. He's not on the headlines. He protects himself and his family and I love that. :)
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I remember when I bought my firt electric guitar at my favourite music store in Montpellier, I used to play sax then.
The shop assistant was all about a french jazz guitarist he had seen in concert the day before (Sylvain Luc), he was in awe of his playing and when I mentionned I loved MK's music to him (because I was trying a strat replica which "had to be red") he compared MK's playing to cat piss,"c'est du pipi de chat" was his exact sentence.
that was in 1997, I was only 16 or so but I immediatly got the intuition he wouldn't have been as contemptuous had I mentionned Jimmy Page or Gilmour who are arguably in the same league. Knopfler has this kind of detractors who make him pass for a fraud just because it is easy to undermine him.
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I remember when I bought my firt electric guitar at my favourite music store in Montpellier, I used to play sax then.
The shop assistant was all about a french jazz guitarist he had seen in concert the day before (Sylvain Luc), he was in awe of his playing and when I mentionned I loved MK's music to him (because I was trying a strat replica which "had to be red") he compared MK's playing to cat piss,"c'est du pipi de chat" was his exact sentence.
that was in 1997, I was only 16 or so but I immediatly got the intuition he wouldn't have been as contemptuous had I mentionned Jimmy Page or Gilmour who are arguably in the same league. Knopfler has this kind of detractors who make him pass for a fraud just because it is easy to undermine him.
Lol, some people are so rude. Like this comment underneath Beato's video: "Sorry but Dire Straits are totally overrated. Very good musicians but what they made of that talent was mediocre. Radio hits and success don’t equal greatness"
I mean what was he thinking when he wrote this? If MK is mediocre, then show me who's genius then!
By the way, Beato's video in a couple of days got quarter million views, 10 thousand likes and 1 thousand comments despite the fact he's only shared one story and showed a couple of licks from the song, all the rest was ads and calling names. He could really pick a better song/topic about MK assuming a lot of people will watch it, but it's yet another Sultans appreciation fest. How amazing is that.
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Mark is not underrated by people in the know, even Satriani likes Mark's playing and they have next to nothing in style similarities. You don't get admired by Chet Atkins if you are underrated, as has been said, it's that he is overlooked more than the like's of Clapton and Gilmour, and even underappreciated, but, I know I go on about Mike Oldfield a lot, he is the guitarist that is underrated, overlooked and underappreciated way more than Mark.
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If there’s an overrated guitarist in this topic it’s Page imo. Led Zeppelin too. Not a popular opinion but I can’t get through any of their songs let alone a full album.
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If there’s an overrated guitarist in this topic it’s Page imo. Led Zeppelin too. Not a popular opinion but I can’t get through any of their songs let alone a full album.
Thumbs up from me. Never really understood their popularity. I know JP was a well regarded session man long before LZ but evidence suggests that he ruined his talent through drink and drugs.
I think ultimately deep down that's probably what puts me off them.
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It seems overrated and underrated are just words used by people to say I don't like or I like.
Mark knopfler may be underrated for us in amit obviously because we love his playing and would like him to be on every radio but if you ask a lot of virtuoso and top players they all have a high opinion regarding his influence, I read in an interview how especially Gilmour held MK in high regard, but as someone said Satriani too had a good word about his last record. Chet Atkins said he was one of the great even if he (MK) didn't think that himself.
And Rolling Stones (the magazine) ranked him 44th greatest guitarist if I remember correctly. The panel of voters were known guitarists.
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If there’s an overrated guitarist in this topic it’s Page imo. Led Zeppelin too. Not a popular opinion but I can’t get through any of their songs let alone a full album.
Thumbs up from me. Never really understood their popularity. I know JP was a well regarded session man long before LZ but evidence suggests that he ruined his talent through drink and drugs.
I think ultimately deep down that's probably what puts me off them.
I don’t mean he’s not a great player, as you said he once was a very prolific session musician and if you’re not good you don’t get called in for work. I just think that in his case the whole genius thing is more about the aura than the playing itself.
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If there’s an overrated guitarist in this topic it’s Page imo. Led Zeppelin too. Not a popular opinion but I can’t get through any of their songs let alone a full album.
Thumbs up from me. Never really understood their popularity. I know JP was a well regarded session man long before LZ but evidence suggests that he ruined his talent through drink and drugs.
I think ultimately deep down that's probably what puts me off them.
I don’t mean he’s not a great player, as you said he once was a very prolific session musician and if you’re not good you don’t get called in for work. I just think that in his case the whole genius thing is more about the aura than the playing itself.
I agree. I've never heard anything that made me sit up and go wow, with the hairs on my neck standing up.
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Has anyone seen this?
I thought it was quite interesting though quite a bit of the tech stuff is a bit beyond me.
https://youtu.be/5HtA-vvXTKo
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Has anyone seen this?
I thought it was quite interesting though quite a bit of the tech stuff is a bit beyond me.
https://youtu.be/5HtA-vvXTKo
Sure! With Rick, it's bound to get too technical, whether it's a song or a studio tour, but it's funny how everybody bombarded his Instagram live stream with comments that 20 minutes drive from Abbey Road there is this interesting studio... Which is even crazier than Abbey Road, and owned by one famous musician, he might want to check it out. Rick never responded, which can mean he did it, or at least plans to do it.
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Forget Rick Beato, I prefer Phil at WIngs of Pegasus:
https://youtu.be/pobaEIaHlAE
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Forget Rick Beato, I prefer Phil at WIngs of Pegasus:
https://youtu.be/pobaEIaHlAE
When I made my recreation of that whole performance almost 10 years ago, I thought I'll get some views, but in the end, I got even less than the guy merely reacting to the original :smack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0T7VUE_tv6s
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You even dressed accordingly, very nice performance!!
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Lovely open tone, what guitar were you using?
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You even dressed accordingly, very nice performance!!
Haha, thank you! I could make it better with proper pants instead of jeans though. But I found two different coats.
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Lovely open tone, what guitar were you using?
That's my trusty 1997 Gibson Advanced Jumbo reissue, I still use it today (when in Russia). I deliberately used a piezo pickup to replicate the original live sound, it also made it possible for me to ditch headphones and play along to the performance, hence replicating everything even down to them both rushing and dragging.
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Lovely open tone, what guitar were you using?
That's my trusty 1997 Gibson Advanced Jumbo reissue, I still use it today (when in Russia). I deliberately used a piezo pickup to replicate the original live sound, it also made it possible for me to ditch headphones and play along to the performance, hence replicating everything even down to them both rushing and dragging.
Great job. Very accurate both technically and sonically....
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yeah impressive, thoroughly done!
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yeah impressive, thoroughly done!
Thank you, guys. It still perplexes me though, why on Earth in 10 years a video like this would get no views whatsoever, I must be cursed or something.
By the way, a new video from Andertons:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my1fdy6JiDA
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Embarrassing Rick story.
https://youtube.com/shorts/WrQtHTUVL4E?si=0tKJiaCQU9tKcd3i