A Mark In Time
General Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: nando_5994 on March 21, 2023, 06:41:10 PM
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If you can, you musto go to see Roger live. It´s a great, great show! Last saturday saw it in Lisbon and is fair to say, it´s best show out there at the moment!"
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I will go and see him in Antwerp. Love his music. Not the way he speeks out his political statements. So i’m there for the music.
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See him 4 april in Amsterdam
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See him 4 april in Amsterdam
I am also going tuesday
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seen him live twice (wall shows) great events, but musically, he just cannot sing decently, and as good as his band is, Gilmours band is deffo better imho.and he can sing (DG)
then there is the annoying megalomaniac personality, and as much as i agree that Israel is doing a lot of bad shit in palestine and i think him standing up for that should not have him banned in Frankfurt BUT......, his asskissing of putin really annoys me
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I believe he lip syncs these days so the singing should be fine.
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seen him live twice (wall shows) great events, but musically, he just cannot sing decently, and as good as his band is, Gilmours band is deffo better imho.and he can sing (DG)
then there is the annoying megalomaniac personality, and as much as i agree that Israel is doing a lot of bad shit in palestine and i think him standing up for that should not have him banned in Frankfurt BUT......, his asskissing of putin really annoys me
Roger Waters in that regard acts like some of the Russian "patriots" among artists. For instance, Nikita Mikhalkov was a great movie director with some great movies, but he has flushed his entire reputation and art down the toilet by being a 100% pro-regime clown. It's astonishing to me how people can ruin their whole lives and reputation by simply being stupid and taking the dark side of history. Roger certainly did that for me, I just can't take this guy seriously anymore.
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Roger is not the singer he once was, which is a shame.
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I went to a Roger Waters concert before he went crazy. I enjoyed it a lot.
In 2018 I went again and I almost left midway. It's like being in a political party event, especially now with his pro-Russia views. It's not for me.
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Roger Waters is NOT pro-Russia, that's only what the media want you to think.
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Waters is against war, and people killing people, that's about all there is to it.
Just listen to Each Small Candle.
It's all through his lyrics and his music since the beginning.
I'm not saying I like the political side of his art and some of his stances but like Waters I'd rather see Ukraine and Russia broker some kind of peace treaty than having thousand of poor people killed on either side for years.
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But it was Russia that invaded Ukraine. In Ukraine, innocent children and women are dying. Schools are bombed. If Russia wins, it will not stop.
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Yes of course, I totally agree, Russia is the villain here. But soldiers dying are innocent in both countries
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As in any war.
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No matter if Water is pro-anything, the things he said and promoted are just unacceptable.
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But it was Russia that invaded Ukraine. In Ukraine, innocent children and women are dying. Schools are bombed. If Russia wins, it will not stop.
True but only after 20 thousand 'russian' people were killed in Donbass from 2014 to 2022.
if you think Ukraine is so good and so great you are completely wrong.
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No matter if Water is pro-anything, the things he said and promoted are just unacceptable.
like what exactly ?
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This is becoming too political and ideologically biased.
Innocent are being bombed, tortured, civilians killed
No war of any kinds has any justification and the sense of revenge once led to world war II
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This is becoming to political and ideologically biased.
Innocent are being bombed, tortured, civilians killed
No war of any kinds has any justification and the sense of revenge once led to world war II
Exactly.
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No matter if Water is pro-anything, the things he said and promoted are just unacceptable.
like what exactly ?
Well, you can just Google "Roger Waters Ukraine" and it rains with atrocity. I think it's a perfect example of when a musician should focus on music instead of venturing into politics. I mean David releasing a song that supports Ukraine is one thing. It's not politics, it's basically charity... But having a strong position and trying to defend someone is completely another thing.
I think Roger represents this classic hippie kind of person that ignores the facts completely. Nobody wants war, but you also need to consider how it will develop and what happens next. Peace on what terms exactly? How do you think Russia will behave after this "peace"? Personally, I don't think any peace is real because both sides have no common ground whatsoever.
Please, do not close this topic, as I'm sure somebody will come in and say we should not discuss politics here. It's not politics, folks, it's history.
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"Please, do not close this topic, as I'm sure somebody will come in and say we should not discuss politics here. It's not politics, folks, it's history"
Exactly. it's history and life. Brutal but life.
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No matter if Water is pro-anything, the things he said and promoted are just unacceptable.
like what exactly ?
Well, you can just Google "Roger Waters Ukraine" and it rains with atrocity. I think it's a perfect example of when a musician should focus on music instead of venturing into politics. I mean David releasing a song that supports Ukraine is one thing. It's not politics, it's basically charity... But having a strong position and trying to defend someone is completely another thing.
I think Roger represents this classic hippie kind of person that ignores the facts completely. Nobody wants war, but you also need to consider how it will develop and what happens next. Peace on what terms exactly? How do you think Russia will behave after this "peace"? Personally, I don't think any peace is real because both sides have no common ground whatsoever.
Please, do not close this topic, as I'm sure somebody will come in and say we should not discuss politics here. It's not politics, folks, it's history.
You are very confused imho, Google is the truth, oh yes, and David releasing a song that supports Ukraine is not politics, oh yes
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No matter if Water is pro-anything, the things he said and promoted are just unacceptable.
like what exactly ?
Well, you can just Google "Roger Waters Ukraine" and it rains with atrocity. I think it's a perfect example of when a musician should focus on music instead of venturing into politics. I mean David releasing a song that supports Ukraine is one thing. It's not politics, it's basically charity... But having a strong position and trying to defend someone is completely another thing.
I think Roger represents this classic hippie kind of person that ignores the facts completely. Nobody wants war, but you also need to consider how it will develop and what happens next. Peace on what terms exactly? How do you think Russia will behave after this "peace"? Personally, I don't think any peace is real because both sides have no common ground whatsoever.
Please, do not close this topic, as I'm sure somebody will come in and say we should not discuss politics here. It's not politics, folks, it's history.
You are very confused imho, Google is the truth, oh yes, and David releasing a song that supports Ukraine is not politics, oh yes
Google is a search engine, how can it be "the truth"? I meant that you can find Roger's quotes and attempts of defending Russia by claiming that it wasn't Russia who started the war, which is exactly what our propaganda says (believe me, I'm Russian). I'm not a fan of black-and-white vision, but the war set such a clear border than any, and I mean — any attempt of defending Russia or Putin is ridiculous and unacceptable. And yes, as the vast majority of the world is on the side of Ukraine, so by supporting it you're basically doing charity.
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I'd say to Roger, that if your line of thinking happens to match that of a dictatorship regime and what its propaganda says... Then don't be surprised you're being cancelled and bashed all over the world for your "active political position". Better to remain silent and thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt, as Mark Twain said.
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Well i started this because the Roger Waters concert is a great great show! But is normal that politics come to the theme. This is the link for the RW speech to the ONU about the war in Ucraine. Dont see suport to Russia, but an appeal to the end of war.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APjbroGjtbU
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Well i started this because the Roger Waters concert is a great great show! But is normal that politics come to the theme. This is the link for the RW speech to the ONU about the war in Ucraine. Dont see suport to Russia, but an appeal to the end of war.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APjbroGjtbU
Again, Roger Waters represents an average human being who thinks only in terms of peace, "the war is bad", and "killing is bad" paradigm, but they do not think about the future, and how this "peace" will escalate the war even more. Like any peace talks, peace, in general, will give Putin even more time and opportunities to build a bigger army and do even more killing. And more than that, any peace talk will show all the remaining dictators that you can do pretty much anything you want, and the world still be OK with that. Invade all you want, kill whoever you want, and we will "negotiate" that.
Roger doesn't understand that any prolonging of the war, peace talks, or decrease of military supplies to Ukraine are all an advantage for Putin. Ukrainians do not want any compromises on their land and want all their territories back to 1991, Putin wants to capture as many new territories as possible. There is no common ground for peace talks, it's impossible. And by calling for de-escalation he unconsciously helps Putin. Thanks, Roger.
What Roger is doing is called populism.