A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: quizzaciously on October 15, 2023, 01:44:24 AM
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Link to the list: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/best-guitarists-1234814010/
Obviously, lists are a bunch of BS and clickbait made for people to get angry and to spark discussions on all sorts of discussion mediums.
But it's interesting to me how Mark went from #27 all the way down to #96, nobody in Rolling Stone seems to care about consistency.
I can understand moving him to #30 or something but jumping all over the place... By the way, #250 is Andy Summers! It's funny.
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Link to the list: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/best-guitarists-1234814010/
Obviously, lists are a bunch of BS and clickbait made for people to get angry and to spark discussions on all sorts of discussion mediums.
But it's interesting to me how Mark went from #27 all the way down to #96, nobody in Rolling Stone seems to care about consistency.
I can understand moving him to #30 or something but jumping all over the place... By the way, #250 is Andy Summers! It's funny.
You’re right its just silly nonsense designed to start arguments and debate then hopefully generate sales for the magazine. MK himself has said that he hoped he dropped off that very list when he was number 27 because it was nonsense. Although I think he wants to be known as a songwriter over a guitarist.
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I had a quick look and a lot of unknown name from me are featured.
So quite interesting if we forget the ranking thing :think
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I had a quick look and a lot of unknown name from me are featured.
So quite interesting if we forget the ranking thing :think
Yes, for discovering purposes this list is nice. But the rating thing is completely bonkers. But it's addictive and serves the "purpose" well if the purpose is to start a war. Musical war, that is. If you look at Rick Beato's most popular videos, you'll see the Top 5 of his most popular videos are countdowns of "Top 20" whatever.
It's so easy to make, to watch, and to argue about lists I call it "fast food content". Here's my take on Top 5 Mark Knopfler songs:
5. Heavy Fuel
4. The Bug
3. Money For Nothing
2. Sultans Of Swing
1. Hot Dog
Wanna talk about it?
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A woke list
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The list is clearly not very good, Mark at 96? No Mike Oldfield in the 250? really?
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A woke list
Please don't infect our happy forum with this kind of nonsense.
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No Hank Marvin either :think
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No Hank Marvin either :think
That's far worse than MK being "only" at 96.
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No Hank Marvin either :think
So many great guitar players are missing, yeah, and I'm happy for them to be honest. I wish MK would be really dropped from this list of shame.
I think what happened was, they just accidentally swapped MK with St. Vincent, so MK should've been #26, and Vincent #96.
Generally speaking, the list feels random. I guess they tried to make it feel like "numbers don't matter, you see, we even start with Andy Summers". But it's still ranking, and you've got Jimi's and King's at the top, so you can't pretend it's not about order.
If it's not about order, then don't assign freaking numbers to each musician as if they are items in an exhibition. Take a look at number 70, ladies and gentlemen, this is Django Reinhard, a guitar player who influenced a billion musicians all over the world and still is one of the most creative and skilled improvisators to ever walk on planet Earth, that's why he's at number 70.
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A woke list
Please don't infect our happy forum with this kind of nonsense.
i am assuming this was a sarcastic comment.....
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pj harvey on of the 250 greatest guitar players? i mean, i used to like her music, and she is awesome live, but a rad guitar player she is not...
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I can't be bothered to read the list again, but, are these also missing?
Tommy Emmanuel.
Malmsteen.
Gary Moore.
Sergovia.
B.B. King, surely I didn't notice him in there :hmm
J.J. Cale.
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I can't be bothered to read the list again, but, are these also missing?
Tommy Emmanuel.
Malmsteen.
Gary Moore.
Sergovia.
B.B. King, surely I didn't notice him in there :hmm
J.J. Cale.
I only scanned the top 10, I thought BB was there.
By the way, this list has been a 100% success in that it has got us speaking about Rolling Stone magazine which was the original intention. :)
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Yes, although I said I couldn't be bothered, I had to check on the B.B. King thing, and he is in the top 10
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I can't be bothered to read the list again, but, are these also missing?
Tommy Emmanuel.
Malmsteen.
Gary Moore.
Sergovia.
B.B. King, surely I didn't notice him in there :hmm
J.J. Cale.
I only scanned the top 10, I thought BB was there.
By the way, this list has been a 100% success in that it has got us speaking about Rolling Stone magazine which was the original intention. :)
therefore i shall be mostly closing this thread :-)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXk2PsEaPJc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXk2PsEaPJc)
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I can't be bothered to read the list again, but, are these also missing?
Tommy Emmanuel.
Malmsteen.
Gary Moore.
Sergovia.
B.B. King, surely I didn't notice him in there :hmm
J.J. Cale.
I only scanned the top 10, I thought BB was there.
By the way, this list has been a 100% success in that it has got us speaking about Rolling Stone magazine which was the original intention. :)
therefore i shall be mostly closing this thread :-)
We shall close it in our hearts, not on our forums. But seriously, I don't think this "negative press" does Rolling Stone any favour.
If anything, people would advise not buying and not reading this piece of doo-doo magazine.
Love it or hate it, they still have a lot of influence, and their lists are getting onto Wikipedia and bios of musicians, etc.
With this in mind, you would think they would be less trolling and more serious but all they can do is to assemble a big pile of nonsense.
They deserve the shame.
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just leaving this here...
https://youtu.be/YkjFAcJChXc?si=oxKvQNsWWZnP730z
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just leaving this here...
https://youtu.be/YkjFAcJChXc?si=oxKvQNsWWZnP730z
Still don't think this is the "any press is good press" situation. Basically, every big YouTuber made fun of this list and beat it to death, it's embarrassing for RS.
They made so many mistakes with this list, an apology would be nice. Or a complete revision of the list with an additional 50-100 missing guitar players.
The first list was released back in 2011, a completely different time, and it was easier to get away with stupid controversial lists. Now it's different.
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just leaving this here...
https://youtu.be/YkjFAcJChXc?si=oxKvQNsWWZnP730z
I don't know why people with a minimum musical knowledge care about these Rolling Stone or whereever list about the top (pick a number) guitar players, drummers, albums...
These lists are all about the fuzz and clickbait
People making YT videos, complaing about these lists and then everybody clicks on the link and the circle goes on.
I keep listening my fav musicians, albums and thats fine.
Music is about comunication.
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just leaving this here...
https://youtu.be/YkjFAcJChXc?si=oxKvQNsWWZnP730z
I don't know why people with a minimum musical knowledge care about these Rolling Stone or whereever list about the top (pick a number) guitar players, drummers, albums...
These lists are all about the fuzz and clickbait
People making YT videos, complaing about these lists and then everybody clicks on the link and the circle goes on.
I keep listening my fav musicians, albums and thats fine.
Music is about comunication.
It's called "influence". Whatever Rick Beato posts, it becomes popular instantly. Love it or hate it, but Rolling Stone is a big and old magazine, which you think would make them think twice before publishing such an absurd article. If this magazine wasn't big and popular, nobody would talk about it. If I'll go and release a list of 100 guitar players, nobody would care.
When you have the audience, any audience, you need to respect it and think twice before publishing BS lists which are so disrespectful to anybody, that they truly deserve all the hate. I hope this list could be one of Rolling Stone's swan songs.
This situation proves that old-school magazines lost the battle with YouTubers, and the same happens in automotive and other industries. People want videos, nobody wants articles. I bet soon Rick Beato will release his own version of the 250 guitarists list and it will get seen by as many pairs of eyes as Rolling Stone magazine had in its entire lifetime, and it will be better.
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People want videos, nobody wants articles.
yes sadly... :-\ :'(
I know that really well... my articles have very very few views, shares or comments, regarding videos on YT
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People want videos, nobody wants articles.
yes sadly... :-\ :'(
I know that really well... my articles have very very few views, shares or comments, regarding videos on YT
It reminds me of Doug DeMuro's story, who started writing articles on car websites, then got encouraged to make YouTube videos instead and went on to become one of the most influential car YouTubers on the platform, building a whole empire worth dozens of millions of dollars now. With a lot of work though, he's been uploading up to 3 quality videos a week for a number of years now without stopping.
Even though he "suffered" from the automotive industry not recognising car YouTubers, with them still preferring printed car magazines and official press, despite each of his videos getting millions of views, eventually videos took over. Same with tech companies, now Apple and Samsung invite seemingly YouTubers only to their events, and MKBHD gets so many views it does not even seem real at this point.
So this Rolling Stone list with all their half-century history made tiny ripples in the water compared to what some of the people can do pretty much single-handedly.
I'm lowkey dreaming about writing a book, but at the same time thinking who on Earth is going to read a book anyway? It's definitely not the 21st-century medium, with all due respect. Now people want videos, interactive content, VR, podcasts, interviews, almost anything but articles and books.
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It's called "influence". Whatever Rick Beato posts, it becomes popular instantly. Love it or hate it, but Rolling Stone is a big and old magazine, which you think would make them think twice before publishing such an absurd article. If this magazine wasn't big and popular, nobody would talk about it. If I'll go and release a list of 100 guitar players, nobody would care.
When you have the audience, any audience
All of theses Top Something are pure Clickbait.
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It's called "influence". Whatever Rick Beato posts, it becomes popular instantly. Love it or hate it, but Rolling Stone is a big and old magazine, which you think would make them think twice before publishing such an absurd article. If this magazine wasn't big and popular, nobody would talk about it. If I'll go and release a list of 100 guitar players, nobody would care.
When you have the audience, any audience
All of theses Top Something are pure Clickbait.
Clearly. In fact, TOP 5 of Rick Beato's videos are none other than 5 TOP 20 countdowns. He can make a countdown video of his countdowns. Sad but true.
With this said, it's a bit funny to see him complaining about another TOP 250 list when he created examples of this nonsense himself.
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A woke list
Please don't infect our happy forum with this kind of nonsense.
i am assuming this was a sarcastic comment.....
You assumed right!
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Rolling Stone never aimed at making the best possible list, they wanted clicks. The list is a joke and I’m pretty sure they know it and are laughing at everyone right now.
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People want videos, nobody wants articles.
yes sadly... :-\ :'(
I know that really well... my articles have very very few views, shares or comments, regarding videos on YT
It reminds me of Doug DeMuro's story, who started writing articles on car websites, then got encouraged to make YouTube videos instead and went on to become one of the most influential car YouTubers on the platform, building a whole empire worth dozens of millions of dollars now. With a lot of work though, he's been uploading up to 3 quality videos a week for a number of years now without stopping.
Even though he "suffered" from the automotive industry not recognising car YouTubers, with them still preferring printed car magazines and official press, despite each of his videos getting millions of views, eventually videos took over. Same with tech companies, now Apple and Samsung invite seemingly YouTubers only to their events, and MKBHD gets so many views it does not even seem real at this point.
So this Rolling Stone list with all their half-century history made tiny ripples in the water compared to what some of the people can do pretty much single-handedly.
I'm lowkey dreaming about writing a book, but at the same time thinking who on Earth is going to read a book anyway? It's definitely not the 21st-century medium, with all due respect. Now people want videos, interactive content, VR, podcasts, interviews, almost anything but articles and books.
looovee doug. not everyone does though