A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => One Deep River / The Boy => Topic started by: Dutchessy on February 23, 2024, 06:07:35 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xg8Kqu44Yw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trqIfpJTBh8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z_Yj2QNg-k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oy-puErg-s
https://youtu.be/PXsjS3DU-CQ
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The interview from the release event
https://youtu.be/7BRYRjW8lWs?si=B-p7iyriIX8zH3eV
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The interview from the release event
https://youtu.be/7BRYRjW8lWs?si=B-p7iyriIX8zH3eV
This link was already on the forum.
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The interview from the release event
https://youtu.be/7BRYRjW8lWs?si=B-p7iyriIX8zH3eV
This link was already on the forum.
Sorry that I posted the link I didn’t know that it was posted in a different thread. Maybe I missed it
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The interview from the release event
https://youtu.be/7BRYRjW8lWs?si=B-p7iyriIX8zH3eV
This link was already on the forum.
Sorry that I posted the link I didn’t know that it was posted in a different thread. Maybe I missed it
But it's a great interview. It's worth it twice. ;)
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Part 4
https://youtu.be/9oy-puErg-s?feature=shared
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Wow! Thank you :)
I thought it was going to be “Janine” :)
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Wow! Thank you :)
I thought it was going to be “Janine” :)
Yes, me too....
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Tunnel 13 - explanation video
https://youtu.be/3fQM_r_MzEk?feature=shared
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https://youtu.be/PXsjS3DU-CQ
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Ok, thank you for the link! Nothing new really, we keep hearing exactly that praise and the same words from day one of BG. Funny that it comes up now.
In my opinion, everything recorded by DS and Mark before BG sounds MUCH better. In fact, I cannot listen to ODR after hearing, let's say almost everything from Pink Floyd, Bob Dylan or whatsoever. This morning I listened to a lot of music from the 80's and 90's, (among them Sade, Chris Rea, Gabriel, Genesis, and all kinds of other things, all on vinyl) and compared to that, ODR and DTRW sound just... dull, muffled, compressed and just... shite. Too much bass, Mark's voice too loud, the drums hardly ever shine although they have exactly in that department so much to offer... how comes?
So of course it might depend on my ears, I keep that option in mind realistically. But I know I am not the only one with this opinion. So IF my ears are alright, how comes that such a superior Studio produces such mediocre sound? It's an honest question, I don't want to provoke anybody.
You could also say that the recordings got worse and worse from the day Chuck left. So maybe it's Guy?
Opinions?
LE
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I don't know. I listen to music on CD. And of course not only DS/MK :) It sounds great to me.
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Ok, thank you for the link! Nothing new really, we keep hearing exactly that praise and the same words from day one of BG. Funny that it comes up now.
In my opinion, everything recorded by DS and Mark before BG sounds MUCH better. In fact, I cannot listen to ODR after hearing, let's say almost everything from Pink Floyd, Bob Dylan or whatsoever. This morning I listened to a lot of music from the 80's and 90's, (among them Sade, Chris Rea, Gabriel, Genesis, and all kinds of other things, all on vinyl) and compared to that, ODR and DTRW sound just... dull, muffled, compressed and just... shite. Too much bass, Mark's voice too loud, the drums hardly ever shine although they have exactly in that department so much to offer... how comes?
So of course it might depend on my ears, I keep that option in mind realistically. But I know I am not the only one with this opinion. So IF my ears are alright, how comes that such a superior Studio produces such mediocre sound? It's an honest question, I don't want to provoke anybody.
You could also say that the recordings got worse and worse from the day Chuck left. So maybe it's Guy?
Opinions?
LE
I think the same way. ODR sounds quite ok on vinyl - but nowhere near as good as the old albums.
I even found it much worse on Spotify. The earlier albums sound better to me on every medium.
That may make me unpopular now - but maybe it's because Chuck Ainlay is simply a better producer than Guy Fletcher - or concentrated on the important things instead of moving microphones around the room for years...
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Ok, thank you for the link! Nothing new really, we keep hearing exactly that praise and the same words from day one of BG. Funny that it comes up now.
In my opinion, everything recorded by DS and Mark before BG sounds MUCH better. In fact, I cannot listen to ODR after hearing, let's say almost everything from Pink Floyd, Bob Dylan or whatsoever. This morning I listened to a lot of music from the 80's and 90's, (among them Sade, Chris Rea, Gabriel, Genesis, and all kinds of other things, all on vinyl) and compared to that, ODR and DTRW sound just... dull, muffled, compressed and just... shite. Too much bass, Mark's voice too loud, the drums hardly ever shine although they have exactly in that department so much to offer... how comes?
So of course it might depend on my ears, I keep that option in mind realistically. But I know I am not the only one with this opinion. So IF my ears are alright, how comes that such a superior Studio produces such mediocre sound? It's an honest question, I don't want to provoke anybody.
You could also say that the recordings got worse and worse from the day Chuck left. So maybe it's Guy?
Opinions?
LE
I think the same way. ODR sounds quite ok on vinyl - but nowhere near as good as the old albums.
I even found it much worse on Spotify. The earlier albums sound better to me on every medium.
That may make me unpopular now - but maybe it's because Chuck Ainlay is simply a better producer than Guy Fletcher - or concentrated on the important things instead of moving microphones around the room for years...
I think it's the same story as with Dolby ATMOS and other surround sound things — their target audience is .000001% of listeners, and they go an extra lightyear or two just to be on the edge of technology, while it may not be as good for "regular folks". Whereas older records were a little bit more targeted towards regular listeners I think.
I'm pretty confident these records sound like magic IN the studio itself, however, not everyone possessed hundreds of thousands of dollars of sound equipment just to enjoy some songs. Usually, people do it in $20 earbuds or wireless headphones these days, or on something like amazing MacBook or iMac speakers, car stereos or portable speakers like Mark himself, whom we've seen using Marshall's portable speaker in Tracker documentary (wink wink).
I just released a video on my channel that I recorded in Dolby Vision, 10-bit HDR 60FPS 4K and it's safe to say nobody cares, not a single soul, everybody just keeps watching on their iPhones or whatever. And in some conditions, a video like this can ACTUALLY look worse. Like if you dim the screen a little bit, it's simply too bright.
Art and technology goes hand in hand, though at some point, in my humble opinion, it's a complete overkill. Like MKBHD (a famous technology YouTuber) recording his simple talking head YouTube videos on a freaking RED cinema camera that costs like a good new car. Nobody cares, nobody ever will.
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Ok, thank you for the link! Nothing new really, we keep hearing exactly that praise and the same words from day one of BG. Funny that it comes up now.
In my opinion, everything recorded by DS and Mark before BG sounds MUCH better. In fact, I cannot listen to ODR after hearing, let's say almost everything from Pink Floyd, Bob Dylan or whatsoever. This morning I listened to a lot of music from the 80's and 90's, (among them Sade, Chris Rea, Gabriel, Genesis, and all kinds of other things, all on vinyl) and compared to that, ODR and DTRW sound just... dull, muffled, compressed and just... shite. Too much bass, Mark's voice too loud, the drums hardly ever shine although they have exactly in that department so much to offer... how comes?
So of course it might depend on my ears, I keep that option in mind realistically. But I know I am not the only one with this opinion. So IF my ears are alright, how comes that such a superior Studio produces such mediocre sound? It's an honest question, I don't want to provoke anybody.
You could also say that the recordings got worse and worse from the day Chuck left. So maybe it's Guy?
Opinions?
LE
I've just finished watching the video and I wasn't expecting a miracle, it's sad that a video promoting a recording studio doesn't show any footage or videos of the recording sessions! With MK, everything is meticulously planned and calculated so as not to show anything natural or spontaneous.
As for the quality of recordings since GF's arrival, I agree, you only have to listen to Shangri La or KTGK to know that there's still a long way to go.
Anyway, all this to say that I'd have loved to see technicians and musicians play in such a big, prestigious studio, not just hear them talk about it.
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Last video is just a commercial spot about British Grove Studios.
Nothing interesting or even related to the recording of the last MK record.
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Last video is just a commercial spot about British Grove Studios.
Nothing interesting or even related to the recording of the last MK record.
It's funny because I always wanted to know what exactly Mark took from all these amazing studios he worked in, and brought to BG, and I was happy to hear this exact question being answered, only to be immediately deflated to get no specific answers at all. All the usual suspects: Paul McCartney's console, people in white coats, etc.
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Last video is just a commercial spot about British Grove Studios.
Nothing interesting or even related to the recording of the last MK record.
It's funny because I always wanted to know what exactly Mark took from all these amazing studios he worked in, and brought to BG, and I was happy to hear this exact question being answered, only to be immediately deflated to get no specific answers at all. All the usual suspects: Paul McCartney's console, people in white coats, etc.
I think the console in studio 2 comes from Javelina studios in Nashville, they closed and MK bought the console for his own studio.
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https://youtu.be/2BAD0CJCrOQ
This is also the whole 'performance' we got to see at the album presentation.