A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Rail King on May 27, 2024, 02:52:33 PM
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I was wondering where the relationship between Mark and Eric Clapton was at these days. I know that Mark (and Guy) often mentioned what I lovely chap Eric seems to be, and Mark mentioned him in relation with the Local Hero project recently. But did Mark (or Guy) ever comment on the trouble Clapton gets himself into again and again with his political remarks?
I'm just wondering because Mark always seems to be such a reasonable person in every respect, and his songs leave no room for doubt about where he stands on the most important political matters. That's why I can't imagine him not having a problem with some of Clapton's comments.
I've listened to Clapton being interviewed on the podcast below yesterday, and could hardly believe my ears. He went as far as to defend Vladimir Putin, and mentioned that one of his "closest friends" (Bernie Ecclestone, I believe) said he would "take a bullet for him" (Putin). There was other outrageous stuff in that interview, but I actually had to rewind and listen again to that particular part, it was just ... unbelievably ignorant.
If anyone knows whether Mark himself or someone close to him ever reacted to such comments, I'd be interested to know.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keBw11UZfEs&t=1481s
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Clapton has cancelled his shows in Russia, following Ukraine's invasion. So he's probably not that much of a putinist.
Interesting topic though, Mark is not politically correct, but yes, he is quite moderate and mainstream, compared to Clapton.
Yesterday was my first ever Clapton concert, in Paris. What I can ensure you is they the audience went hysterical, they didn't care at all about politics, and cared much about the amazing guitar and even voice skills of this 79-year old! In much better shape than Mark... Mark who was missed, would have loved to hear him on Badge, like in 1988...
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I guess we all have friends with “different” views, I usually just try not to bring these things up and focus on common ground, maybe MK is the same.
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You have to really listen carefully here.
He is supporting Palestine, so far so good.
About Putin: he's not saying that he or his friend are supporting Putin now, but is referring to the past. Some 10-15 years ago, western investors doubted that Putin was trustworthy, and Ecclestone (or whoever) said "I'd take a bullet for him", meaning "he'll stick to what he says" and it was safe to invest a lot of money in Russia. It's not about literally taking a bullet, it's just an idiom.
The stuff about covid and kiwis sounds confusing to me, and I just don't like an artist who says "I love you" to fans in a show and then goes on to make jokes about those people. Not very professional imho.
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Clapton has cancelled his shows in Russia, following Ukraine's invasion. So he's probably not that much of a putinist.
Well, he actually says in that same video interview that he didn't cancel the Russian shows because of Putin and the war, but because the hotels in Moscow were full due to some fashion show. He then goes on to say that he would like to go to Moscow soon and play there with Roger Waters. So much for that. Sorry to say so, but he's totally deranged.
But yes, Dusty, we all have people like that around us (some of which I still have affection for in spite of their views). I'm not sure if "don't bring up politics" is the right strategy, though. You hear that a lot these days: no politics at work, no politics in sports, no politics at school, no politics over dinner ... – I wonder where people think politics should be discussed. That's the very idea of democracy and a republic ("res publica", latin for "the public matter"), to discuss politics out in the open, with each and everyone.
That said, I'm aware that this forum is about Mark Knopfler and his music, so no need to take this further. I'd just be interested if anyone hears about any comments from Mark or his camp about Eric's (and Van's, or Roger Waters') views. I vaguely remember someone asking Guy Fletcher about it during the pandemic, and think he said something like "Yeah, very sad". It would be truly interesting to know what they make of it. It is sad.
Stratmad, the thing about Clapton making fun of his fans I have missed. If you have a link, thank you.
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It's around 2:10-2:20. I don't exactly know who is referring to when he says "how pretentious". Is it the fan, or Jackson, or himself?
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"I vaguely remember someone asking Guy Fletcher about it during the pandemic, and think he said something like "Yeah, very sad".
I remembered that too. Eric Clapton went through vaccines very badly.
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It's around 2:10-2:20. I don't exactly know who is referring to when he says "how pretentious". Is it the fan, or Jackson, or himself?
He was meaning Jackson.
I’ve only watched half of this interview but it’s wild. He’s gone full foil hat.
Poor Roger Waters, boo hoo.
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He’s gone full foil hat.
He really did. I wonder how much attention this video will get. In a sad way, it's almost a sensation. When the interviewer (a YouTuber I've watched before, but never really liked) says that he had been asked why such a legend would even talk to him, and explains that he might have been the only one willing to listen to Clapton, I didn't know whether to laugh or to cry.
I was never a Clapton fan, but I obviously have huge respect for his musicianship. I would love to understand the psychology behind such derailments. But alas, as Mark sings in one of his new songs, "Who knows why/I wish I knew/We feel the things we feel/Do the things we do ..."
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Clapton has cancelled his shows in Russia, following Ukraine's invasion. So he's probably not that much of a putinist.
Well, he actually says in that same video interview that he didn't cancel the Russian shows because of Putin and the war, but because the hotels in Moscow were full due to some fashion show. He then goes on to say that he would like to go to Moscow soon and play there with Roger Waters. So much for that. Sorry to say so, but he's totally deranged.
But yes, Dusty, we all have people like that around us (some of which I still have affection for in spite of their views). I'm not sure if "don't bring up politics" is the right strategy, though. You hear that a lot these days: no politics at work, no politics in sports, no politics at school, no politics over dinner ... – I wonder where people think politics should be discussed. That's the very idea of democracy and a republic ("res publica", latin for "the public matter"), to discuss politics out in the open, with each and everyone.
That said, I'm aware that this forum is about Mark Knopfler and his music, so no need to take this further. I'd just be interested if anyone hears about any comments from Mark or his camp about Eric's (and Van's, or Roger Waters') views. I vaguely remember someone asking Guy Fletcher about it during the pandemic, and think he said something like "Yeah, very sad". It would be truly interesting to know what they make of it. It is sad.
Stratmad, the thing about Clapton making fun of his fans I have missed. If you have a link, thank you.
GREAT POST.
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He’s gone full foil hat.
He really did. I wonder how much attention this video will get. In a sad way, it's almost a sensation. When the interviewer (a YouTuber I've watched before, but never really liked) says that he had been asked why such a legend would even talk to him, and explains that he might have been the only one willing to listen to Clapton, I didn't know whether to laugh or to cry.
I was never a Clapton fan, but I obviously have huge respect for his musicianship. I would love to understand the psychology behind such derailments. But alas, as Mark sings in one of his new songs, "Who knows why/I wish I knew/We feel the things we feel/Do the things we do ..."
i always was an amazing fan of his (especially LIVE) work up until 84 or something, maybe even 89, and found he had become REALLY boring musically after that. But then i got a ticket as a birthday present to his show in Antwerp, which, due to covid had to be postponed twice, but i have to say, it was a very enjoyable evening with some amazing playing. (of old work, new work still not interested in) too bad he has indeed gone full bonkers.
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It is a free world. Well, at least I hope it still is...
If there is something I hate much more than shocking opinions, it is the cancel culture of those shocking opinions.
I hated to see what those kids who owned their fortune to J. K. Rowling spit on her and even banned her just because she expressed her conception of feminism.
I disagree with most of Roger Waters' opinions. Yet I love him, for all what he brought musically and also for being true to himself.
What I can tell you in that in Paris Bercy on Sunday, people were delighted by EC's guitar skills and couldn't care less about his opinions regarding any topic...
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It is a free world. Well, at least I hope it still is...
If there is something I hate much more than shocking opinions, it is the cancel culture of those shocking opinions.
I hated to see what those kids who owned their fortune to J. K. Rowling spit on her and even banned her just because she expressed her conception of feminism.
I disagree with most of Roger Waters' opinions. Yet I love him, for all what he brought musically and also for being true to himself.
What I can tell you in that in Paris Bercy on Sunday, people were delighted by EC's guitar skills and couldn't care less about his opinions regarding any topic...
basically said nothing else.
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It is a free world. Well, at least I hope it still is...
If there is something I hate much more than shocking opinions, it is the cancel culture of those shocking opinions.
I hated to see what those kids who owned their fortune to J. K. Rowling spit on her and even banned her just because she expressed her conception of feminism.
I disagree with most of Roger Waters' opinions. Yet I love him, for all what he brought musically and also for being true to himself.
What I can tell you in that in Paris Bercy on Sunday, people were delighted by EC's guitar skills and couldn't care less about his opinions regarding any topic...
Where did anyone try to cancel Clapton?
If you are against cancel culture then presumably you are in favour of free speech, meaning that people should be free to say that Clapton has turned into a conspiracy theory nutcase when in a single interview he rattles off a full bingo card:
*Putin is a great guy BINGO!
*Big pharma BINGO!
*Israel rules the world BINGO!
*Industrial military complex BINGO!
*Special military operation BINGO!
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It is a free world. Well, at least I hope it still is...
If there is something I hate much more than shocking opinions, it is the cancel culture of those shocking opinions.
I hated to see what those kids who owned their fortune to J. K. Rowling spit on her and even banned her just because she expressed her conception of feminism.
I disagree with most of Roger Waters' opinions. Yet I love him, for all what he brought musically and also for being true to himself.
What I can tell you in that in Paris Bercy on Sunday, people were delighted by EC's guitar skills and couldn't care less about his opinions regarding any topic...
Where did anyone try to cancel Clapton?
If you are against cancel culture then presumably you are in favour of free speech, meaning that people should be free to say that Clapton has turned into a conspiracy theory nutcase when in a single interview he rattles off a full bingo card:
*Putin is a great guy BINGO!
*Big pharma BINGO!
*Israel rules the world BINGO!
*Industrial military complex BINGO!
*Special military operation BINGO!
and did he not also mention the big evil Klaus from the World Economic Forum? Bingo!
only one missing would be the eviltastic George Soros, singlehandedly responsible for all that goes wrong in the world....together with Billy G. of course..
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Didn't get to the end yet, there's only so much of this stuff I can stomach in one sitting...
PS Keep the Rev out of this! :)
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which rev? am slow, like Marky...
nobody does say Marky like EC does though. love that.
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Indeed you are all free to say that Clapton is nuts if you please. Freedom of speech all the way! 😊
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Indeed you are all free to say that Clapton is nuts if you please. Freedom of speech all the way! 😊
nuts, but live a revelation...
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nuts, but live a revelation...
Is he, still? I walked out of a show some time in the mid-nineties, because it was just plain boring and badly mixed. Love his old stuff, though!
I couldn't be bothered to listen to the second part of the interview in detail, after all that pharma stuff. I'd rather have a transcript than sit through that video. But did he actually say all these things, and are they his own opinion, or just some idea he's only talking about? How can he say Israel is great when he used a guitar with the colours of Palestine? :hmm
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nuts, but live a revelation...
Is he, still? I walked out of a show some time in the mid-nineties, because it was just plain boring and badly mixed. Love his old stuff, though!
I couldn't be bothered to listen to the second part of the interview in detail, after all that pharma stuff. I'd rather have a transcript than sit through that video. But did he actually say all these things, and are they his own opinion, or just some idea he's only talking about? How can he say Israel is great when he used a guitar with the colours of Palestine? :hmm
He didn't say Israel is great, he sais Israel runs the world, very different thing.
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which rev? am slow, like Marky...
nobody does say Marky like EC does though. love that.
https://www.loudersound.com/features/billy-gibbons-reverend-nickname
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Indeed you are all free to say that Clapton is nuts if you please. Freedom of speech all the way! 😊
nuts, but live a revelation...
The one and only time I was at a Clapton concert was for the "From The Cradle" tour. It was at Manchester Arena and the sound was deafening! It was so loud that it was impossible to hear what was being played and my ears were ringing for days afterwards in spite of wearing earplugs!
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I was wondering where the relationship between Mark and Eric Clapton was at these days. I know that Mark (and Guy) often mentioned what I lovely chap Eric seems to be, and Mark mentioned him in relation with the Local Hero project recently. But did Mark (or Guy) ever comment on the trouble Clapton gets himself into again and again with his political remarks?
I'm just wondering because Mark always seems to be such a reasonable person in every respect, and his songs leave no room for doubt about where he stands on the most important political matters. That's why I can't imagine him not having a problem with some of Clapton's comments.
I've listened to Clapton being interviewed on the podcast below yesterday, and could hardly believe my ears. He went as far as to defend Vladimir Putin, and mentioned that one of his "closest friends" (Bernie Ecclestone, I believe) said he would "take a bullet for him" (Putin). There was other outrageous stuff in that interview, but I actually had to rewind and listen again to that particular part, it was just ... unbelievably ignorant.
If anyone knows whether Mark himself or someone close to him ever reacted to such comments, I'd be interested to know.
Any reasonable person respects the views of others, so long as they are put across in a polite manner. We are fortunate enough not to live in a dictatorship.
I honestly couldn't care less what EC thinks but have been disappointed by Mark's comments lately and some on here.
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You have to really listen carefully here.
He is supporting Palestine, so far so good.
Er...it's not a football game. He is supporting terrorists then. Wonder if Jews feel safe going to his shows.
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I was wondering where the relationship between Mark and Eric Clapton was at these days. I know that Mark (and Guy) often mentioned what I lovely chap Eric seems to be, and Mark mentioned him in relation with the Local Hero project recently. But did Mark (or Guy) ever comment on the trouble Clapton gets himself into again and again with his political remarks?
I'm just wondering because Mark always seems to be such a reasonable person in every respect, and his songs leave no room for doubt about where he stands on the most important political matters. That's why I can't imagine him not having a problem with some of Clapton's comments.
I've listened to Clapton being interviewed on the podcast below yesterday, and could hardly believe my ears. He went as far as to defend Vladimir Putin, and mentioned that one of his "closest friends" (Bernie Ecclestone, I believe) said he would "take a bullet for him" (Putin). There was other outrageous stuff in that interview, but I actually had to rewind and listen again to that particular part, it was just ... unbelievably ignorant.
If anyone knows whether Mark himself or someone close to him ever reacted to such comments, I'd be interested to know.
I honestly couldn't care less what EC thinks but have been disappointed by Mark's comments lately and some on here.
Can you enlarge on that, please, dmg? Which of MK's comments have disappointed you? ???
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You have to really listen carefully here.
He is supporting Palestine, so far so good.
Er...it's not a football game. He is supporting terrorists then. Wonder if Jews feel safe going to his shows.
Of course not. The conflict is much too serious for that.
The concert in January was meant to raise money for children in Gaza. These children, and the others on the other side of the barbed-wire fence, have nothing to do with political extremists and warmongers and their barbaric acts.
I'm not taking sides here, and I don't see very clearly what Clapton's views are.
All I'm saying is that we have to be careful not to generalise.
Not all Jews live in Israel, not all Israelis are Jews, not all of them support the government's policy, and the same is true of Gaza and the Palestinians. Surely each of us has friends or family who are Jewish or Palestinian, and who have no interest in any sort of conflict.
This thing has turned into such a complex world-wide muddle that it's really hard to say anything without triggering another conflict.
I really do feel sorry for all the victims and the people who suffer, directly or indirectly, in the middle east and all over the world.
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which rev? am slow, like Marky...
nobody does say Marky like EC does though. love that.
in the conspiracy light of things, our reverend Gibbons was not the Billy G i meant. think, think harder son!
https://www.loudersound.com/features/billy-gibbons-reverend-nickname
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You have to really listen carefully here.
He is supporting Palestine, so far so good.
Er...it's not a football game. He is supporting terrorists then. Wonder if Jews feel safe going to his shows.
now you are stepping into tricky territory here. let's leave it there.
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You have to really listen carefully here.
He is supporting Palestine, so far so good.
Er...it's not a football game. He is supporting terrorists then. Wonder if Jews feel safe going to his shows.
Of course not. The conflict is much too serious for that.
The concert in January was meant to raise money for children in Gaza. These children, and the others on the other side of the barbed-wire fence, have nothing to do with political extremists and warmongers and their barbaric acts.
I'm not taking sides here, and I don't see very clearly what Clapton's views are.
All I'm saying is that we have to be careful not to generalise.
Not all Jews live in Israel, not all Israelis are Jews, not all of them support the government's policy, and the same is true of Gaza and the Palestinians. Surely each of us has friends or family who are Jewish or Palestinian, and who have no interest in any sort of conflict.
This thing has turned into such a complex world-wide muddle that it's really hard to say anything without triggering another conflict.
I really do feel sorry for all the victims and the people who suffer, directly or indirectly, in the middle east and all over the world.
well put. so let us now return to the video ...
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Free speech is the key. I’m a huge fan of Eric’s and don’t agree with some points he’s made recently but I don’t mix things together. Saw him live last year and had a great time.