A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: nando_5994 on June 01, 2024, 05:51:46 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4Bw53xM0o8
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Thanks Nando, for uploading!
Great video quality, great song, great singer. I mean the guy with the red guitar. :lol
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Great gift thanks very much 8)
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I never looked up the full version before and this video especially is a treat! Amazing performance!
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Although I hate being negative, Bob's voice ruins this one for me. He sounds like some mythical creature that slept in a cave for a century and just woke up. Or like someone singing folk music(?) with a death metal voice. It's not like he's even trying to have a pleasant voice in this one. I wouldn't listen to Mark if he did 100 greenies during a song on purpose, either.
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Although I hate being negative, Bob's voice ruins this one for me. He sounds like some mythical creature that slept in a cave for a century and just woke up. Or like someone singing folk music(?) with a death metal voice. It's not like he's even trying to have a pleasant voice in this one. I wouldn't listen to Mark if he did 100 greenies during a song on purpose, either.
Bob knows his voice is shot and that it has always been known for being 'raspy' so I reckon he is singing with his tongue firmly in his cheek.
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Although I hate being negative, Bob's voice ruins this one for me. He sounds like some mythical creature that slept in a cave for a century and just woke up. Or like someone singing folk music(?) with a death metal voice. It's not like he's even trying to have a pleasant voice in this one. I wouldn't listen to Mark if he did 100 greenies during a song on purpose, either.
I agree. Bob's barking voice ruined this song, especially as Mark's guitar playing was so elegant. When it came to the end of the song Bob's harmonica almost completely drowned MK's solo - indeed it seemed to be deliberate.
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I find it amusing that Bob is still annoying people after 60 years.
In this life there are people you "get" and people you don't. I "get" Bob and love him, crappy singing as all.
It seems for many people though the crappy singing and general half-arsedness really annoys some people, which is probably exactly what he is going for. :)
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i was dere.
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I find it amusing that Bob is still annoying people after 60 years.
In this life there are people you "get" and people you don't. I "get" Bob and love him, crappy singing as all.
It seems for many people though the crappy singing and general half-arsedness really annoys some people, which is probably exactly what he is going for. :)
Probably. He really is a strange creature.
As a songwriter-poet there is no one dead, alive or yet to be born that can hold a candle to him, and that Nobel Prize was completely justified imho.
Musically, he doesn't seem to aim to reach a high standard, but that's probably not important.
What I find annoying though is how he treats his own loyal fans (although they seem to enjoy it?), people who pay to see him, and even people who work with him. Remember how he behaved towards MK's band during that "joint" tour, and how he even ignored Guy's son, who just wanted an autograph?
MK must be a real fan to put up with such a fellow. Twice.^^
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I think being treated like you were the second coming for most of your life would make you wary of interaction with others, George Harrison was in a similar boat.
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I think being treated like you were the second coming for most of your life would make you wary of interaction with others, George Harrison was in a similar boat.
Yes, that's certainly true! But Bob's mystical behaviour hasn't exactly helped people to treat him normally either, has it?
He could take a few pages out of Mark's book and see if things get better. :)
I can't really think of anyone in the music business who behaves like that almost all the time, even behind the scenes and with his peers. I mean, Elton John used to throw a few tantrums, Van Morrison can be difficult, and there may be a few others, but they are still more accessible and more human-like.
I don't know. I do admire him as an artist, and I respect a man who's worked so hard all his life and is still at it 83 years of age, but I just can't see why he thinks he has to be so rude.
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Mark hasn't been cute and cuddly all his life either you know. There's that story about him covering italian fans in marker pen for one!
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Mark hasn't been cute and cuddly all his life either you know. There's that story about him covering italian fans in marker pen for one!
Of course not, but that's changed a lot. I don't think he'd flip out over sausages these days, and he's always been nice to children and youngsters.
What story is that about the Italian fans? I've never heard about it.
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I read it on Facebook, basically the story went that MK came out of his hotel and was surrounded by crazy Italian fans looking for an autograph (I know not all Italian fans are crazy before someone has a go at me), he got so annoyed he grabbed a marker pen and started drawing all over the fans.
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I was at one of the concerts on the Mark and Bob tour in 2011 and when Mark and the band came on stage MK thanked "Mr Bob" for inviting him on the tour and, as usual, he introduced the band. After the interval when Bob came on stage he didn't even refer to Mark and the band once nor did he introduce his own band who I think are pretty long suffering. I remember reading on Guy's forum that Bob's band usually joined in with MK and his band offstage because they were having some fun.
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I read it on Facebook, basically the story went that MK came out of his hotel and was surrounded by crazy Italian fans looking for an autograph (I know not all Italian fans are crazy before someone has a go at me), he got so annoyed he grabbed a marker pen and started drawing all over the fans.
Haha! If that story is true, they must have been very annoying! Must have been a long time ago.
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I was at one of the concerts on the Mark and Bob tour in 2011 and when Mark and the band came on stage MK thanked "Mr Bob" for inviting him on the tour and, as usual, he introduced the band. After the interval when Bob came on stage he didn't even refer to Mark and the band once nor did he introduce his own band who I think are pretty long suffering. I remember reading on Guy's forum that Bob's band usually joined in with MK and his band offstage because they were having some fun.
I was also at one concert. In Germany. I had similar feelings. It was the first show in my life where people left a gig (Bob). A sad sight. I was angry.
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I loved the show I saw in Glasgow.
Being there with DMG and jbaent was just the icing on the cake!
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I loved the show I saw in Glasgow.
Being there with DMG and jbaent was just the icing on the cake!
I'm glad you enjoyed the show, dusty, but it was quite the opposite for me and many others. Many people around us left long before the end and we were almost alone with Isaac Shabtay amongst lots of empty seats. I have lots of Bob's albums and really enjoy them, but live he is a different story - we couldn't tell what the songs were - I mean songs like Tangled Up In Blue which are so well-known! Back at the hotel there were people in tears because they were so disappointed.
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I loved the show I saw in Glasgow.
Being there with DMG and jbaent was just the icing on the cake!
I'm glad you enjoyed the show, dusty, but it was quite the opposite for me and many others. Many people around us left long before the end and we were almost alone with Isaac Shabtay amongst lots of empty seats. I have lots of Bob's albums and really enjoy them, but live he is a different story - we couldn't tell what the songs were - I mean songs like Tangled Up In Blue which are so well-known! Back at the hotel there were people in tears because they were so disappointed.
Sorry if I’m harsh but I don’t really have much sympathy for someone ending up in tears because they were disappointed by a rock show.
By 2011 Dylan had been performing this way for decades so it seems odd to me that big fans would not have a level of expectation of what they were in for.
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I was also at one concert. In Germany. I had similar feelings. It was the first show in my life where people left a gig (Bob). A sad sight. I was angry.
You weren't the only one! I saw 3 or 4 shows in Germany and Switzerland, and Mark was great as always. But Dylan's sound was terrible in all the venues, while Mark manages to get a got sound anywhere.
It was really a bit sad, because most Dylan fans only turned up in the interval, and collided with the Knopfler fans, who were leaving.
I remember seeing Dylan back in the nineties, too. He was certainly eccentric even then, but at least the sound quality was good and I was able to figure out which song he was actually playing or mumbling. In 2011/12 that wasn't always the case.
Bob must have made good money on those tours, because MK attracted far larger audiences than Dylan ever would on his own.
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Sorry if I’m harsh but I don’t really have much sympathy for someone ending up in tears because they were disappointed by a rock show.
By 2011 Dylan had been performing this way for decades so it seems odd to me that big fans would not have a level of expectation of what they were in for.
That's absolutely right, Dusty! They should have known.
Me, I didn't cry. I just felt I was getting a raw deal somehow because I'd paid for a Knopfler show with a nice bit of Dylan on top and was getting half an MK show with a nasty bit of Dylan on top :lol
But anyway, folks: we can tell our grandchildren that we saw Bob Dylan! I mean, how many others of that size and shape have you seen live? Names that will be remembered in 100 years maybe?
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Also, it was a “bonus” MK tour - he wouldn’t have been playing that year if Bob hadn’t invited him out.
And we got to hear some new songs before they were recorded, plus some surprises. :)
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I was also at one concert. In Germany. I had similar feelings. It was the first show in my life where people left a gig (Bob). A sad sight. I was angry.
You weren't the only one! I saw 3 or 4 shows in Germany and Switzerland, and Mark was great as always. But Dylan's sound was terrible in all the venues, while Mark manages to get a got sound anywhere.
It was really a bit sad, because most Dylan fans only turned up in the interval, and collided with the Knopfler fans, who were leaving.
I remember seeing Dylan back in the nineties, too. He was certainly eccentric even then, but at least the sound quality was good and I was able to figure out which song he was actually playing or mumbling. In 2011/12 that wasn't always the case.
Bob must have made good money on those tours, because MK attracted far larger audiences than Dylan ever would on his own.
I had a quick look and in 09 an 10 Dylan was playing many of the same venues that MK had been on his tours.
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I had a quick look and in 09 an 10 Dylan was playing many of the same venues that MK had been on his tours.
Right, I didn't know that. In the 90s he played places like Liederhalle in Stuttgart, that's about 3,000. Nice venue, though.
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I've seen Bob four times (1995, 1998 and 2x 2011) and it was always great. Hannover 2011 was one of those shows where people left the venue during Bob's part but all I saw was absolutely happy people and fans of all ages (many much younger folks as I ever wittnessed at any MK show). MK's set that night was good, safe as always, although I really liked the 2011 set list. No "hit" and three new unrecorded songs was very remarkable. But Bob was wild. Energy, art, power. When I went home, I hardly thought about MK's set but all about Bob. It was a total blast, good sound, great set list, Bob being very energized. Loved every minute of it.
LE
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I think pairing two reasonably well-known acts will end up like that, with alot of people showing up for just one of them. Like, most support bands are unknown and it is to be expected that there are fewer people in the audience during their act and that most/close to all stay for the main act. Not really a good move, but maybe it's easy to say that in hindsight. On paper, it's not a hopeless pairing.
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Dylan has been pairing up with other big acts for a long time.
I saw him with Van in 97.
Van was terrible. And I’m a Van fan man.
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I think pairing two reasonably well-known acts will end up like that, with alot of people showing up for just one of them. Like, most support bands are unknown and it is to be expected that there are fewer people in the audience during their act and that most/close to all stay for the main act. Not really a good move, but maybe it's easy to say that in hindsight. On paper, it's not a hopeless pairing.
Yes, there was probably something weird about the whole setup. I thought there'd either be two separate full shows, or maybe they'd play together a bit more. But somehow I couldn't get used to the fact that MK was a "support act" to his Bobness! the one Dylan show I sat through was a lot longer, if I remember correctly. Or maybe it just seemed longer because I didn't like it :lol
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Dylan has been pairing up with other big acts for a long time.
I saw him with Van in 97.
Van was terrible. And I’m a Van fan man.
Van was doing very badly in the 90s. He had stagefright, which sometimes forced him to stop the shows after less than an hour. Don't know if he has learned to manage it in the meantime. I'd still like to see him one day.
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I can't really think of anyone in the music business who behaves like that almost all the time, even behind the scenes and with his peers.
If I'm not mistaken, Chuck Berry was famous for being harsh with his musicians (most of the time it was local musicians who had to play without any reharsals) and he was also like that with his peers, like Keith for exemple in the Hail Hail rock n roll documentary
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I saw Bob in 1994.
I will write a chronicle for the 30th anniversary in july.
He was bored to death. He didn't play famous songs except All along the watchtower
I was very disapointed
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Also, it was a “bonus” MK tour - he wouldn’t have been playing that year if Bob hadn’t invited him out.
And we got to hear some new songs before they were recorded, plus some surprises. :)
We got BIA played on the blue Les Paul, which turned out to be extremely rare to see.
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Also, it was a “bonus” MK tour - he wouldn’t have been playing that year if Bob hadn’t invited him out.
And we got to hear some new songs before they were recorded, plus some surprises. :)
We got BIA played on the blue Les Paul, which turned out to be extremely rare to see.
Mark's part of the show was excellent! :)
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Also, it was a “bonus” MK tour - he wouldn’t have been playing that year if Bob hadn’t invited him out.
And we got to hear some new songs before they were recorded, plus some surprises. :)
We got BIA played on the blue Les Paul, which turned out to be extremely rare to see.
And tuned a half step down, so he played it in Am (though it sounded like G#m), which was also surprising!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=legMwFuiTi4
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Also, it was a “bonus” MK tour - he wouldn’t have been playing that year if Bob hadn’t invited him out.
And we got to hear some new songs before they were recorded, plus some surprises. :)
We got BIA played on the blue Les Paul, which turned out to be extremely rare to see.
And tuned a half step down, so he played it in Am (though it sounded like G#m), which was also surprising!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=legMwFuiTi4
yes indeed. And he made mistakes at several shows.
after few gigs, he played it again in standard tunning
https://textes-blog-rock-n-roll.fr/dire-straits-brothers-in-arms-a-35-ans-aujourdhui/#Particularite_de_la_tournee_2011
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Also, it was a “bonus” MK tour - he wouldn’t have been playing that year if Bob hadn’t invited him out.
And we got to hear some new songs before they were recorded, plus some surprises. :)
We got BIA played on the blue Les Paul, which turned out to be extremely rare to see.
Yes, I loved that guitar, also on WAM and SFSL. But I guess Mark wasn't overly impressed by it as he rarely used it after the Bob tours?
LE
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Also, it was a “bonus” MK tour - he wouldn’t have been playing that year if Bob hadn’t invited him out.
And we got to hear some new songs before they were recorded, plus some surprises. :)
We got BIA played on the blue Les Paul, which turned out to be extremely rare to see.
Yes, I loved that guitar, also on WAM and SFSL. But I guess Mark wasn't overly impressed by it as he rarely used it after the Bob tours?
LE
I loved it too, both the color and the sound. It was used on Precious Voice From Heaven.
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I find it amusing that Bob is still annoying people after 60 years.
In this life there are people you "get" and people you don't. I "get" Bob and love him, crappy singing as all.
It seems for many people though the crappy singing and general half-arsedness really annoys some people, which is probably exactly what he is going for. :)
for me the event of that tour for me is being there when they played that mythical song "Blind Willie McTell" for the first time, together on stage in Oberhausen. i had always been fascinated by this song so that was like a second coming in itself ...
bob is bob is bob, no greys there, i always loved the man, despite/because of the voice.
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Also, it was a “bonus” MK tour - he wouldn’t have been playing that year if Bob hadn’t invited him out.
And we got to hear some new songs before they were recorded, plus some surprises. :)
We got BIA played on the blue Les Paul, which turned out to be extremely rare to see.
Yes, I loved that guitar, also on WAM and SFSL. But I guess Mark wasn't overly impressed by it as he rarely used it after the Bob tours?
LE
He changed the pickups on it before it went to auction.
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Please enlighten me, why did he do it?
LE
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Please enlighten me, why did he do it?
LE
Dunno, I guess like all us guitarists who swap pickups he just fancied a change.
https://www.christies.com/lot/gibson-guitar-corporation-nashville-tennessee-2003-6465814
Apparently the originals were put back in before it was sold.
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I find it amusing that Bob is still annoying people after 60 years.
In this life there are people you "get" and people you don't. I "get" Bob and love him, crappy singing as all.
It seems for many people though the crappy singing and general half-arsedness really annoys some people, which is probably exactly what he is going for. :)
for me the event of that tour for me is being there when they played that mythical song "Blind Willie McTell" for the first time, together on stage in Oberhausen. i had always been fascinated by this song so that was like a second coming in itself ...
bob is bob is bob, no greys there, i always loved the man, despite/because of the voice.
If I had to choose one Dylan song for that lonely island, "Blind Willie McTell" would be the song! The Bootleg Series recording.
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And importantly it's a song recorded with MK :)
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If I had to choose one Dylan song for that lonely island, "Blind Willie McTell" would be the song! The Bootleg Series recording.
Same here! ;D It's a brilliant song and performance.
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And importantly it's a song recorded with MK :)
That's the icing on the cherry on the cake of course. :)
I know the critics don't agree, and the Dylan fans don't agree, and even Mark disagrees, but Infidels is Dylan's best record for me. Just a timeless masterpiece.
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I don't know which album is my favorite but with MK I prefer more “Slow Train Coming” :)