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Title: Hidden extended versions of songs
Post by: Knut on June 15, 2024, 11:28:32 PM
I think we all know about the Telegraph Road "blooper" that was released. A few seconds we really didn't need to hear ;D

Now, I just realized that Darling Pretty also has an "extended version" that is 12 seconds longer, because they included a bit more soloing in the outro than on the regular album version. It makes me wonder if this has happened a few more times?

This one is no blooper, though, in fact I wish this was the "proper" version of the song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqWanxxCdUI
Title: Re: Hidden extended versions of songs
Post by: TheTimeWasWrong on June 16, 2024, 09:02:53 AM
What It Is with the extra verse. STP with extra few bars at the end.
Title: Re: Hidden extended versions of songs
Post by: Robson on June 16, 2024, 01:26:22 PM
What It Is with the extra verse. STP with extra few bars at the end.

Yes, it was the Mexican version of the single "What It Is"
Title: Re: Hidden extended versions of songs
Post by: mschaap on June 16, 2024, 01:30:47 PM
Summer of love official video that contains a 30 seconds longer outro than released on single/cd/vinyl
Title: Re: Hidden extended versions of songs
Post by: stratmad on June 16, 2024, 09:57:50 PM
What It Is with the extra verse. STP with extra few bars at the end.

Yes, it was the Mexican version of the single "What It Is"

I've never heard about this one! Can I find it on youtube or somewhere?

Edit: found it! Is it just the additional verse? To me it seems like a different recording, or at least the vocals are different from the album version, aren't they?
Title: Re: Hidden extended versions of songs
Post by: Robson on June 16, 2024, 10:40:00 PM
Extra verse:

Cold on a tollgate at the drumspeed the tattoo
Cold on a tollgate God knows what I can do with you

That's what it is
It's what it is now
What it is
It's what it is now

And the Highland-man stands blowing on his fingers by the green
I've walked inside his shoes before
So I always buy his magazines
He's with a local mystery
With blood stains on her hands
I like the way she winks at me
But I leave her with the Highland-man

I didn't notice a difference but I may be wrong
Title: Re: Hidden extended versions of songs
Post by: stratmad on June 16, 2024, 11:03:04 PM
Extra verse:

Cold on a tollgate at the drumspeed the tattoo
Cold on a tollgate God knows what I can do with you

That's what it is
It's what it is now
What it is
It's what it is now

And the Highland-man stands blowing on his fingers by the green
I've walked inside his shoes before
So I always buy his magazines
He's with a local mystery
With blood stains on her hands
I like the way she winks at me
But I leave her with the Highland-man

I didn't notice a difference but I may be wrong

Thank you very much for the lyrics, Robson!
The magazine would be the Big Issue, right? So the Highland-man is a homeless person? And who is the lady then?
Title: Re: Hidden extended versions of songs
Post by: Robson on June 17, 2024, 02:57:45 AM
And here too:

5:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeEy1PMhITU
Title: Re: Hidden extended versions of songs
Post by: Jules on June 17, 2024, 06:04:58 AM
Summer of love official video that contains a 30 seconds longer outro than released on single/cd/vinyl

Not only that but a whole different take...
Title: Re: Hidden extended versions of songs
Post by: dustyvalentino on June 17, 2024, 10:19:04 AM
Extra verse:

Cold on a tollgate at the drumspeed the tattoo
Cold on a tollgate God knows what I can do with you

That's what it is
It's what it is now
What it is
It's what it is now

And the Highland-man stands blowing on his fingers by the green
I've walked inside his shoes before
So I always buy his magazines
He's with a local mystery
With blood stains on her hands
I like the way she winks at me
But I leave her with the Highland-man

I didn't notice a difference but I may be wrong

Thank you very much for the lyrics, Robson!
The magazine would be the Big Issue, right? So the Highland-man is a homeless person? And who is the lady then?

I guess the Big Issue man had a girlfriend.

I'm glad MK removed this verse. The song is too long with it, it's kind of sleazy MK flirting with the woman, and this is before you get into the cringey Scottish cliche of a "highlander" in Edinburgh :)
Title: Re: Hidden extended versions of songs
Post by: stratmad on June 17, 2024, 11:04:46 AM
I guess the Big Issue man had a girlfriend.

I'm glad MK removed this verse. The song is too long with it, it's kind of sleazy MK flirting with the woman, and this is before you get into the cringey Scottish cliche of a "highlander" in Edinburgh :)

Yes, it doesn't really fit somehow. Maybe he was making up it while he was singing, Dylan-style 🤣
But I still don't get the "bloodstained hands" bit. And what's the guy doing, "blowing on his fingers"? Pretending to be playing the bagpipes?
Title: Re: Hidden extended versions of songs
Post by: Jules on June 17, 2024, 12:05:43 PM
I guess the Big Issue man had a girlfriend.

I'm glad MK removed this verse. The song is too long with it, it's kind of sleazy MK flirting with the woman, and this is before you get into the cringey Scottish cliche of a "highlander" in Edinburgh :)

Yes, it doesn't really fit somehow. Maybe he was making up it while he was singing, Dylan-style 🤣
But I still don't get the "bloodstained hands" bit. And what's the guy doing, "blowing on his fingers"? Pretending to be playing the bagpipes?

Funnily there are some liver versions of What It Is where MK mess the lyrics and sings parts of this deleted lyrics, LOL
Title: Re: Hidden extended versions of songs
Post by: JF on June 17, 2024, 12:44:37 PM
Summer of love official video that contains a 30 seconds longer outro than released on single/cd/vinyl

Not only that but a whole different take...
I don't think it's a different take, it's just a different mix with extra bars
Title: Re: Hidden extended versions of songs
Post by: localhero1986 on June 17, 2024, 02:01:23 PM
WII on PI compilation is also a mix of the STP album version and Mexican one. It’s a regular one, but with the “drumspeed” thingy.

Not really extended, but different.

Nice version is the instrumental WII. Like 1,5 minute stuff.
Title: Re: Hidden extended versions of songs
Post by: dustyvalentino on June 17, 2024, 02:30:39 PM
Oh, there was a CD-Rom that came out at the time of STP where you were able to mix your own version of the song STP.

From memory the drums were different on it.
Title: Re: Hidden extended versions of songs
Post by: JF on June 17, 2024, 04:25:31 PM
Oh, there was a CD-Rom that came out at the time of STP where you were able to mix your own version of the song STP.

From memory the drums were different on it.

"Past to present"  :)
Title: Re: Hidden extended versions of songs
Post by: dustyvalentino on June 17, 2024, 04:57:33 PM
Oh, there was a CD-Rom that came out at the time of STP where you were able to mix your own version of the song STP.

From memory the drums were different on it.

"Past to present"  :)

No, it was this one that I was thinking of.

https://www.discogs.com/release/7760429-Mark-Knopfler-Sailing-To-Philadelphia

But maybe the mixer thing was on the MK website?
Title: Re: Hidden extended versions of songs
Post by: JF on June 17, 2024, 06:21:51 PM
Oh, there was a CD-Rom that came out at the time of STP where you were able to mix your own version of the song STP.

From memory the drums were different on it.

"Past to present"  :)

No, it was this one that I was thinking of.

https://www.discogs.com/release/7760429-Mark-Knopfler-Sailing-To-Philadelphia

But maybe the mixer thing was on the MK website?

ah ok
I remember using the mixer via Ingo's site I think  :think
Title: Re: Hidden extended versions of songs
Post by: the visitor on June 17, 2024, 09:28:28 PM
At the risk of sounding like a geek on one of the "pre FM" Alchemy sets that is the same recording there is an extra bar in the outro of Romeo and Juliet and also a slightly different mix.  Listen here

https://www.wolfgangs.com/music/dire-straits/audio/20050110-1855.html?tid=17433
Title: Re: Hidden extended versions of songs
Post by: dustyvalentino on June 18, 2024, 12:15:52 AM
At the risk of sounding like a geek on one of the "pre FM" Alchemy sets that is the same recording there is an extra bar in the outro of Romeo and Juliet and also a slightly different mix.  Listen here

https://www.wolfgangs.com/music/dire-straits/audio/20050110-1855.html?tid=17433

Geekery is encouraged here :)
Title: Re: Hidden extended versions of songs
Post by: Jules on June 18, 2024, 07:32:40 AM
At the risk of sounding like a geek on one of the "pre FM" Alchemy sets that is the same recording there is an extra bar in the outro of Romeo and Juliet and also a slightly different mix.  Listen here

https://www.wolfgangs.com/music/dire-straits/audio/20050110-1855.html?tid=17433

Actually that pre-fm seems to me like a pre-mix of the Alchemy master as there are plenty of things you can listen in this version that you can't in Alchemy, I remember being shocked about some piano parts at the end of Tunnel of love, also some things in the end of Romeo etc etc
Title: Re: Hidden extended versions of songs
Post by: JF on June 18, 2024, 01:12:27 PM
regarding Alchemy you can also add Mark's speech about spanish city during TOL intro which figures only in the video, not on the vinyl/CD
Title: Re: Hidden extended versions of songs
Post by: H97 on June 23, 2024, 12:21:34 PM
And here too:

5:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeEy1PMhITU

Wow, I missed this completely. What an estranging experience with the added lyrics
Title: Re: Hidden extended versions of songs
Post by: stratmad on June 23, 2024, 01:33:44 PM
And here too:

5:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeEy1PMhITU


Wow, I missed this completely. What an estranging experience with the added lyrics

Perfect song!
Great guitar sound, and imho his voice sounded better on the OES album than on any other recording. Dark, smoky, raspy... just terminally cool.