A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: allen on December 15, 2009, 01:55:54 PM
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If we could have Madrid 2001 pro dvd...
A fan asked Guy about this project, and Guy said, "it died."
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Maybe there will be a computer game over 30 years with the complete Madrid on it?? ;D ;D
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Ridiculous to me that they spent all that money filming it and they won't even release it. My personal theory is it's because the Spanish fand sang "ole ole" between every song and ruined it. :-\
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And STP was not played that night. http://www.oneverybootleg.nl/020701.htm
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http://web.archive.org/web/20010825143449/public.sitemanager.co.uk/markknopfler/tourdiary/viewDate.cfm?ID=93
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Maybe STP was performed but not recorded. Remember they also recorded the audio from the Glasgow and Newcastle shows I believe to remix with the Madrid show.
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Well we should petitionize to the record company, if we are enough potential customers to buy it they will probably ask MK to have his "go".
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I don
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Well, I'm glad the ATRR tour made it on DVD. Some beautiful songs on it. :) But still, a good DVD recording of MFN 2001 would be GREAT! ;D
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Ridiculous to me that they spent all that money filming it and they won't even release it. My personal theory is it's because the Spanish fand sang "ole ole" between every song and ruined it. :-\
What's "ole, Ole" ? I kept hearing it every time Mark played in the Spanish speaking countries ?
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I agree with LE in that I would have preferred a good audio of one of the 2008 concerts. It's a shame it wasn't released at the time of the concert, especially I bought my first DVD player specially for that DVD! It must have been expensive to film, but it's in the past and we have had much better things to watch and listen to since then. The 2001 tour wasn't my favourite - all of the others have been much better.
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As far as I know the problem cames because the audience cried out loud, too mch loud and it interfered with the sound from MK mics, thats why they decided to record other shows, to use that audio instead the audio of Madrid.
Since that so easy to do, I don
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The only thing I remember (stupid little thin) was that Mk had the hair too long in that show, and the air was moving his hear during all the show and it looked quite bad for a dvd ;D
Check the bootleg dvd and you
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Yes, as I am in that picture!!!!!
It was a pretty good day, some of the people in that picture had the luck to be in a radio interview, with Mk in front of us, and later we dealed with Paul Crockford to have Mk out of the hotel just to make some photos and sign and he did!!!!
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As far as I know the problem cames because the audience cried out loud, too mch loud and it interfered with the sound from MK mics, thats why they decided to record other shows, to use that audio instead the audio of Madrid.
Since that so easy to do, I don
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Thats why you have several cammeras filming, and you can choose the take that fits better :-)
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How can so many of you think the KtGC tour was so great when it clearly lacked any sort of energy at all? This was by far and away MK's worst tour ever and the fact that no official record has been made from it is the best decision taken by MK/PCM ever!
The StP tour was, conversely full of energy and should have been documented. Oh, and JMcC wasn't there taking half of MK's solo's either with his blasted cittern! ::)
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dmg, Of all the tours I have attended and that is all of them from Golden Heart onward, STP was the worst for me, primarily because of Mike Henderson and his overpowering guitar! It is the only MK concert I have come home from feeling utterly depressed and it took a while for me to become interested again. :-\
I really enjoyed KTGC, and I loved the set list, especially the wonderful TLWNF, HFB and Marbletown. It certainly didn't lack energy as far as I am concerned and I came away from all four of the concerts I attended feeling euphoric! :) I loved John's contribution on all of the instruments he played, including the cittern. It completely transformed TLWNF, although it sounded just as beautiful from Red Rocks, when John was absent! :)
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I loved them all! (although I missed 96 and 01)
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We clearly have very different ideas here!
I do however agree that Mike Henderson was a mistake. Perhaps Bobby Valentino, who MK had played with on the promo tour would have been better to handle the fiddle parts because an extra guitarist wasn't really needed.
Surely you must agree though that MK's playing was devoid of all energy during the KtGC tour. It pains me to say it, believe me. Also, he seemed to want to avoid solo's, e.g. omitting them in WII and TR. During the StP tour at least he was stretching himself.
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No, I don't agree, but that's OK. Just look at his solo on HFB - amazing - and I loved the new arrangement of TR, in fact those from Red Rocks and Charlotte are amongst my favourites of TR. It would be really boring if we all felt the same, though! :)
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Since that so easy to do, I don
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My opinion is that 2001 is under-rated and that 2008 is over-rated. I enjoyed them both though.
2001 pros: Mike Henderson "challenged" MK IMO and forced him to raise his game, in the same way that MK did when playing with Clapton.
Interesting set lists, the most fluid and diverse we've had on a solo tour.
Lots of great special guests.
2008 cons: Set list still very similar to 2005 and 2006, yawn.
Static set lists.
Short sets.
McCusker redundant for the encores.
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My feeling about Mike Henderson is that far from challenging MK, he all but drowned him out, especially in Speedway. A couple of plusses from the concert I attended at the RAH were "Junkie Doll" and "Prairie Wedding" - they were amazing.
I think the most diverse solo tour was Golden Heart. There were songs from just about all of the albums and also the soundtracks and the show lasted for around three hours. Definitely one of the best tours imo!
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I would say that Mark's playing on the last tour was his worst ever. It was really good in TR and HFB, songs that seem to fit him nowadays. But solos that demand more technical playing - Sultans etc - did lack energy.
The biggest problem for me is the static setlists, though. 2005, 2006, 2008. It was basically the same tour, with some fiddle in 2008. With Mark's back catalogue, he could replace each and every song from last year's tour and still put on an even better show.
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Tallgren, I listen frequently to both the Red Rocks and Charlotte shows and SOS from both is as good as it ever was! :)
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Surely you must agree though that MK's playing was devoid of all energy during the KtGC tour.
No we don't have to agree, I don't.
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Hmm, well, the setlists weren't really the same in 2005, 2006 and 2008...
The 2005 set was the worst imo. During the ATRR tour, many songs of the new album were played, even Why worry was played again. 2008: MFN, bonaparte, were kicked. Cannibals, Hill farmer's blues, going home were played instead. Although I like Bonaparte, the 2008 set was not too bad imo. Unfortunately, DGTK didn't make it till the end... :(
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Tallgren, are you implying that TR is not technical!! ? :o I think Guy has said that TR is one of the most challenging songs and needs a lot of concentration! ;)
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In 2008, I seem to remember that we were, in general, delighted with the set-list. We had Cannibals, HFB, Marbletown, Devil Baby, albeit only once, Daddy's Gone to Knoxville a couple of times, TLWNF, The Fish & the Bird and Going Home! All different from previous tours. I would have liked more from KTGC, but maybe next time! ::)
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What its the same from 2005 to 2008 is the second part of the show. Last tour I was amazed with the first half, with all that songs we never heard, mixed with some we heard too much (why aye man, what it is, stp, sultans, romeo), but the second half was quite dissapointed, as I heard it so many times, nothing new except new arrangements that made TR more boring to me and the rest of songs hadn
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I like the 2001 much more than the last one.
The things already said, like less and less soloing, to much fiddling, and so on. There was a solo in HFB, but what kind of What it is was that? He didn't have to play it at all that way. Also SOS, and TR?? It looks to me as though in 5 years in the future, there will be max 1 rock and roll song on a tour.
I don't listen to 2008 bootlegs (dont wanna fall asleep due to nonexistence of energy), there were much better tours. I would surely like a soundboard from 2001.
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boboDS - That just proves the diversity of our tastes, because I listen to the 2008 concerts a lot and love them, but listening to a 2001 concert is hard going - MK made far too many mistakes, SOS from Chicago is terrible.
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True.
By the way to me the decline of SOS began after 1996 tour, Chicago 2001 just proves it.
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What its the same from 2005 to 2008 is the second part of the show.
Even the first half was remarkably similar. We all know that Cannibals and Walk of Life are more or less the same song anyway. Why Aye Man was the same, What It Is was the same Sailing to Philadelphia was the same, Rome was the same, Sultans was the same etc. Done With Bonaparte and Sonny Liston even popped up sometimes.
Yes, it was nice to see Hill Farmers Blues and Marbletown, but overall the sets were pretty similar. 2006 was just lazy, no wonder there was so much duplication, they only rehearsed for a few days or something.
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On the next tour, I would like the long version of SOS to be played as in OES and Golden Heart, because there did seem to be a decline from then and I'm ready to hear that version again after such a long time! :)
I remember on the first two nights in Amsterdam 2008, everyone was really happy with the set-list, but of course, Devil Baby and DGTK didn't make it much further into the tour! I'm glad I was there to hear them played live. I still loved the show when I saw it in Edinburgh and Newcastle though! :)
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On the next tour, I would like the long version of SOS to be played as in OES and Golden Heart, because there did seem to be a decline from then and I'm ready to hear that version again after such a long time! :)
I remember on the first two nights in Amsterdam 2008, everyone was really happy with the set-list, but of course, Devil Baby and DGTK didn't make it much further into the tour! I'm glad I was there to hear them played live. I still loved the show when I saw it in Edinburgh and Newcastle though! :)
We got Postcards and Secondary Waltz in Newcastle and Edinburgh though, lots of people weren't so lucky...
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Yes, forgot those two - we were indeed lucky! :D
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I also did get Postacrds, but I would feel luckier if What it is and TR were done with proper solos.
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I really loved TR! The final solo was great! :D
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At least the final solo is always good :)
But the first one wasn't.
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I do like the cittern too in the rest of TR! Sorry, but I really do!! ;D
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Didn't have a problem with the cittern, but MK staying on the National for so long left big gaps in the song. Not good.
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Surely you must agree though that MK's playing was devoid of all energy during the KtGC tour.
No we don't have to agree, I don't.
I didn't mean it literally. It's a common phrase used in the UK, sorry for the loss in translation.
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I never liked the shorter versions of Sultans at first but I mostly found myself flicking through the piano break to MK's guitar anyway and now I love the shorter ones especially from the StP tour. Granted the Chicago one isn't the greatest but there are so many great ones to choose from in good sound quality:
Amsterdam 17.06.01
London 05.06.01
Lucca 07.07.01
Lyon 27.06.01
New York City 30.04.01
Nimes 28.06.01
Oslo 26.07.01
San Francisco 18.05.01
Wallingford 24.04.01
Zurich 05.07.01
and many more...
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Tallgren, are you implying that TR is not technical!! ? :o I think Guy has said that TR is one of the most challenging songs and needs a lot of concentration! ;)
I think TR is a song where the final guitar solo has a lot of scope for the player if things don't work out as planned. I'm sure we've all heard a version where MK has attempted something during the solo and hasn't quite pulled it off but manages to smooth over it so that you wouldn't know unless you were a big fan like us.
This is why I believe he is more comfortable now doing TR and doesn't want to do TOL which has less scope for him.
BTW the version from Athens 2008 was my favourite from that tour by far: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KID9N4fyybY
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A couple of posts were aimed at me, one concerning the similar setlists and the other TR.
First, looking at the setlists, they have been similar for several tours. Come on! Why Aye, WII, STP, BIA, R&J, SOS, Wild Theme, SL, TR, SAN, Sonny Liston. Just consider all the songs that weren't played but could have been played instead. I liked HFB and Marbletown too, I loved them, but they did little to make the setlists varied.
About TR: I didn't mean to say it's a simple song, but something about that one seems to fit Mark better than Sultans these days. Frankly, at least on the shows I saw, he wasn't up to it or deliberately stayed away from the fast licks (in Sultans). TR works a little differently, it's powerful in a different way, with a lot of double-stops and slower guitar parts. Now, his feeling was great and all that on Sultans, but we were talking about energy and it was lacking in, say, Karlstad. Maybe he picked up speed as the tour progressed; we all read Guy stating that they don't even rehearse Sultans! Outrageous. His heart did not seem to be in it, and the end lick suddenly appeared out of nowhere in the final solo. The classic build-up hade been shortened a lot. Mark's playing would benefit from more serious tour rehearsals, and maybe that would lead to some new songs being played too.
Some old DS songs would work great with Mark's new folk sound, such as Iron Hand or (the rehearsed) Man's Too Strong. We'll never hear Single-handed Sailor again, but some songs really fit well with news later musical direction. Play them please :)
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Look:
Mark Knopfler is NOT interested in guitar playing anymore. That
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Well I love Good as Gold.
Time in the Sun is balls though. :)
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A truly great, emotional piece there LE. Straight from the heart with lots of good points very well put.
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I love Early Bird and the three bonus songs, but I can't comment on Time in the Sun as I've only heard a snippet!
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Surely you must agree though that MK's playing was devoid of all energy during the KtGC tour.
No we don't have to agree, I don't.
I didn't mean it literally. It's a common phrase used in the UK, sorry for the loss in translation.
I know, but as you may have noticed I am very pedantic ;D and I do take everything at face value (for example, I would not say Time in the Sun was balls ;D, I'd say I didn't like it)
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It's hard to make a comment whether MK likes to play certain songs or not. And yes, maybe he is satisfied with one take because people will buy it anyway. Who cares? And if someone cares, what makes the difference? Let's face it: he is rich and he can do what he likes to do. If he wants to stop playing and writing music, we can't stop him. None of us can make a difference in this situation. And remember, nobody has to like MK's music forever. If you think the solo stuff is crap, well, than it's crap. :) You can't expect him playing songs you like.
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How can so many of you think the KtGC tour was so great when it clearly lacked any sort of energy at all? This was by far and away MK's worst tour ever and the fact that no official record has been made from it is the best decision taken by MK/PCM ever!
Finally...someone who talks some sense around here! 8)
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Why can't we just be thankful that we still have MK making beautiful albums and touring so frequently, because one day it will all be over and I, for one will be extremely sad! :)
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Why can't we just be thankful that we still have MK making beautiful albums and touring so frequently, because one day it will all be over and I, for one will be extremely sad! :)
Well said Val 8) people dont realise what they have until its gone & then its too late.As Ubhal said one time "I'd go to watch him tune his guitar" - well so would I even if it was tuned badly:o
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Well said Val 8) people dont realise what they have until its gone & then its too late.As Ubhal said one time "I'd go to watch him tune his guitar" - well so would I even if it was tuned badly:o
Ha, well at Hay we DID watch him try to tune his guitar for about 5 mins, before handing it over to his guitar tech guy whose name temporarily escapes me at the moment.
I've seen MK lots of times and I've never been disappointed, closest I came to being diappointed I gues was the 06 tour, I though including so much of teh same stuff from 05 was lazy, still do, but it was still a great gig. But surely there's no problem with us giving our views and discussing which tours we liked the best?
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Look:
Mark Knopfler is NOT interested in guitar playing anymore. That
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Why can't we just be thankful that we still have MK making beautiful albums and touring so frequently, because one day it will all be over and I, for one will be extremely sad! :)
Val, I'm pretty sure we are thanking him by spending $160 per ticket to still see him. There's no harm in pointing out that certain tours sounded better than others.
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Dan, I agree with you and I already said which ones I liked and the one and only tour I disliked, but it would be nice to hear a few positive thoughts from some of the posts for a change. ::)
BTW We don't pay as much for our tickets in UK and Europe as those fans in US - around
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I agree with Val, I am glad somebody wrote something positive.
and I don't understand the difference in price for tix in the US vs Europe.
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Personally, I think this forum is positive most of the time. But it is a discussion forum after all. Worshipping is not very rewarding.
People should not be offended because we criticize Mark. None of us would be here if we weren't fans.
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Tallgren, Sometimes on this forum there seems to be an imbalance of opinion and I think a lot of posts are far too negative, but I am not offended in any way - just stating my point! I am not a worshipper,either, if that was intended for me - healthy discussion on a forum is vital to keep it alive! I do criticize where needed, as in the case of the 2001 tour and my disappointment at the concert I attended at the RAH! In general, though, I am a very happy customer and I like the direction Mark's career has taken him in recent years! :D
Of course for those who don't like what MK does or doesn't do these days, there is a simple solution - don't go to the gigs, or buy the albums! ;)
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imho the show i saw in Dortmund 2005 was the worst i saw of him, the only bad one in my opinion, and it wasn't really bad more, boring
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Worshipping is not very rewarding.
Tallgren,I have been lucky enough to have met a few people on this forum & I think that a lot of our worshipping days are behind us, I'd say that the average age of people on here is over 30 which is well beyond the worshipping era.
Anyway, everyone has their opinion,you have the techno guys that say that MK is not as good as what he was before on certain riffs or this tour was better than that one etc etc. Its all an opinion,to me its MK & thats what I listen to,maybe I dont know if its good or not but it sounds ok to me but then I dont get into the techno side either as I couldnt play note for you ::)
Healthy discussion is always good on any forum & where better to discuss it only here. ;)
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Pottel, It is interesting how shows in the same tour can be so different. I went to Edinburgh and Newcastle in 2005 and the Edinburgh concert was one of my absolute favourites. It was played impeccably and it was one of the few shows where "Back to Tupelo" was played. "Our Shangri-La" had one of it's very first airings also. TR from this show is also amongst my favourites. Newcastle was very good too, but it didn't have the same impact on me as Edinburgh.
Edinburgh was also the show where I first met Martina, before I joined the MK News Forum and she was seated next to us. She filmed the whole concert and very kindly sent me a copy, which was the first bootleg I ever had. It was such a wonderful thing to be able to relive a concert I had been to, for the very first time, all thanks to Martina! :)
I'm sorry your Dortmund 2005 concert was boring, Maarten, mine was just the opposite. :)
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but, as said, that was the only one, all others were highlights, but second worst being cologne 2008, coz i had crap seas and that hall is too big imho.
as mentioned first, i have seen so many great shows, beaulie, hillbillies 99, brussels 2006, amsterdam 2008, hurlingham, brussels 2008, berlin 2008, Brussels 2001, Rotterdam 1996, werchter 1992 (which, listening back to it now was not all that special, but to me it was magic, the first time i saw mark...)
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I have the same feeling with a lot of shows I visited. When hearing the (audience) recording some years later I often think, how comes I was SO impressed... Well, it must be Marks charisma. Or so. F.E. I watched the Munich 1991 show at YouTube lately, at least some clips, and I only thought they
all look very cheesy... Must have been the early nineties... Well, when I was there in the Olympiahalle, I was blown away. The same with Bremen Open Air 1992.
Bad experiences were Hamburg 2001 because of the shortest set list of the whole tour. I liked the Hamburg 2006 show, it was the second or third show of the tour, all was quite fresh then and Mark was in a good mood. 2005 in Munich was somehow boring when I looked to the fanmade DVD later.
So all very different and mixed feelings. But overall: I am happy to go to Hamburg next year again. And London.
LE
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It's interesting reading people's differing opinions on MK and I think vital to a succesful forum. It's basically one big conversation. In my opinion his worst tour was Shangri La, it felt dull and lifeless. Especially the Dire Straits songs. KTGC was an improvement but my favourite tour was the STP in 2001. It was a new setlist at the time, unlike now where it desperately needs a major overhaul to keep it fresh for the hardcore fans. I would love to see NHB's again. Possible my favourite gig ever. Relaxed and fun, with some great banter from the band.
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Why can't we just be thankful that we still have MK making beautiful albums and touring so frequently, because one day it will all be over and I, for one will be extremely sad! :)
Very well said ( written) Val. I couldn't agree with you more. I am so thankful that Mark still enjoys touring. He definitely is not doing it for any financial reasons. ( I don't understand all the complaints about how expensive the tix prices are)
IMO, the tix prices are undervalue considering how brilliant a musician Mark is. Many other artists charge outrageous prices, but not Mark.
All the criticism about Mark's playing / lazy? is a little bit too blatant. >:( Please bear in mind that Mark is 60 years old !! Of course he's not gonna have the same kind of energy like he had in his younger years. But the fact that, he can go on tours 4 months straight and can perform night after night. That in itself is not an easy task. So even if he fumbles/shorten some parts of the solos here and there, is very understandable. ( I guess I'm still a worshipper) So what if the setlist is the same every night, most people probably attend one gig anyway. Unlike crazy people like us here, we have to go more than one night. So, why don't we just enjoy what Mark gives us. I know I will at whatever it costs. Because, I'm very thankful to him for everything he has done.
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I would agree with you, Sweetsurrender about MK being accused of laziness. I am a few years older than Mark and even just travelling to multiple concerts can be tiring and I am not even performing! To play around 95 concerts, as he did in 2008, sometimes 6 in a row, on both sides of the Atlantic when he was approaching 60 yrs is not to be sniffed at. A lot of people on this forum are nowhere near his age and I wonder if they could do the same! I feel exhausted just thinking about it! ::)
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Quote Val: "but it would be nice to hear a few positive thoughts from some of the posts for a change. ::)"
Although I am already 51 :o.....(yeahhh I know that sound old for our young fans ;D) I have attended only one concert, so I can't compare with other concerts if this was a good or bad one, but the KTGC concert in Amsterdam 2008 was for me FANTASTIC, WONDERFUL and something I never will forget!
I loved all the songs Mark played! :P....I missed the Dire Straits period and Telegraph Road and Speedway were never my favourites, but I was blown away when Mark played and I still enjoy those songs as I do with almost ALL the songs of Mark's solo albums. Especial Get Lucky is wonderful and has music I LOVE! ;)
I started too late in my life listening to the music of Mark, but now I discovered him, I admire him and hope there will be enough time in future to continue visiting concerts of Mark and listening to his beautiful voice and music! ;D
Hhhmmm I just wonder ......"Am I an old worshipper now Tallgren and Waterline Man?" ;D
Fieneke
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It's Sat evening and I am all alone Yeah !!!!! :) No kids, no husband. Alchemy is shaking the wall in my kitchen !!! crank it up !!! What a wonderful evening for me !!
As I was doing my routine walking this afternoon listening to Alchemy, I thought about this particular criticism over Mark about his laziness. That was quite a hurtful statement to Mark' s dedicated fans like myself and I believe others as well. Mark is a born musician and an extremely talented one. There are no disputes about that. I believe he wants to deliver his music to his fans as perfectly as he could. Like Val and myself stated previously, the age factor plays a big role. Let's not forget that.
Although I've been a fan of Mark since the first time I heard SOS in 1985, like fieneke, I only had a chance to see Mark once during KTGC. That alone was an epiphany for me. I didn't realize what I've missed for the past 25 some years !!
So, fieneke, it's never too late. I'm making up for lost time and that's all I can say. I'm going 3 nigths confirmed and hopefully 2 more nigths come spring for GL.
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Hehe, Fieneke, I would never criticize someone's passion or try to diminish someone's experience. I enjoyed the two 2008 shows I attended as well, that's not the point at all.
I regularly visit some different web forums and I think it's dangerous when people raice their voices not against one's arguments or thoughts, but against the fact that one 'dares' criticizing. If all the records are equal, all the songs are equal, and all performances are equal, then why hang around here? Someone made a comment that people should be in the forum if they didn't like Mark's new music, or whatever it was. One get the feeling that some people don't even read the posts. It's an annoying way of debating because it seems implied that if one doesn't love everything just as much, then one is not a real fan.
For me, Get Lucky was a positive surprise as I wasn't impressed by SL or KTGC and I like Mark's folk sound. To a certain extent, I do agree about the laziness though. Same band, similar setlists. Come on, Mark! This, however, does not apply to the most important aspect: he is still releasing new material and is out there touring regularly. It's just that, for example, a couple of extra days rehearsing new songs would seem like a piece of cake compared to a world tour.
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Tallgren, I think we all do our fair share of criticizing and comparing on this forum and that is vital to keep a forum alive. I have said before, it would be a very boring forum if we all liked the same things - there would be no need for any discussion, as we are having now! The poll thread shows that everyone's taste is different too!
BTW I hope you aren't implying you would like a different band. The present one, with John's contribution, is just great, thank you! :D
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The only reason I have been so critical of the way MK performed during the KtGC tour is simply because I love him and his music so, so much and I want to see him deliver. I've been a fan since the Straits days and have been collecting bootlegs since before the internet revolution and have hundreds from all periods of his career. I have also been fortunate enough to see Dire Straits play.
I realise MK is getting older but surely that doesn't mean we can kid ourselves on and say that the KtGC tour had the same energy as previous tours.
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dmg, We all know that MK's style of music has changed over the last few years. He is much more folky now and unless there is a major change of direction, that seems to be the way the future lies. "Get Lucky" was a more varied album, though, with "You Can't Beat the House", "Monteleone", "Cleaning My Gun" and "Hard Shoulder" veering away from the folk style. I didn't find KTGC any less energetic than "Shangri-La" or ATRR either - I enjoyed all of them. "Golden Heart" and STP were probably the more energetic, but MK was 12 years younger in 1996! ;)
I think for someone who is 60+ he is doing pretty well regarding energy. Of course, we have the ageing rock stars, like Mick Jagger and Keith Richards, still trying to strut their stuff at 60+, but MK is far more elegant and tasteful to go down that road! Thank goodness! ;D
Anyway I loved KTGC. It was pretty energetic in Amsterdam from what I remember and we all seemed to have a great time! ;D
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As for the band, I am sceptic about Richard. Even though Mike Henderson may have done some noise with his guitar in 2001, it is interesting to hear Mark 'battle' by other guitarists like when he played with Clapton. My problems with Richard are two: first, he isn't given enough solos and has to stand around hammering his bouzokis most of the time. That's not his fault, but it seems to be the way Mark sees him. Second, I'm not always a fan of Richard's slick sound. I'd love to hear Mark play with a grittier player. Again, what I am asking for is a little change. It wouldn't hurt.
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Tallgren, Whilst we are at it, how about changing all the instruments around too! ;D Mark on piano, Guy on drums, Richard on whistle, Danny on guitar, Glenn on synths and John on everything else and making the tea! ;D
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and me on hand-clapping!
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Tallgren, Whilst we are at it, how about changing all the instruments around too! ;D Mark on piano, Guy on drums, Richard on whistle, Danny on guitar, Glenn on synths and John on everything else and making the tea! ;D
There you go. Even the slightest criticism ridiculed. Continue and you shall soon have chased away all non-believers.
It's not that I take myself over-seriously, but I find little substance in what you've written. Do you really think that Richard is the only guitarist in the world capable of playing a D5 chord? :)
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I agree with Tallgren that Richard is under-used. He's a great guitarist and the two together make great sound. The end solo of I dug up a Diamond on the LRR DVD is a prime example. How their guitars sing together!
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Yes, I agree with you, Nat. "I Dug up a Diamond" was one of the best songs on the ATRR tour. I also think Richard is underused, but I wouldn't like him to be replaced. We would be back to the DS days when there was a different guitarist for every tour and at the moment MK and the band seem very comfortable with eachother. :)
Oh dear, Tallgren, I feel I have been rapped over the knuckles like a naughty schoolgirl! ;D It's all in fun really! ;)
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In regards to weather anyone still worships Mark Knopfler............
I DO!!!!! ;D
I have a lifesize cardboard cut out of him in my front room that i pray to at exactly 5.15am everyday.
Clapton is GOD.........No way!
KNOPFLER IS GOD 8) 8) 8)
Cheers BBB
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I have a lifesize cardboard cut out of him in my front room that i pray to at exactly 5.15am everyday.
I've seen it, BBB, in the video of your 40th birthday! One just like it stood in the window of W H Smith when OES was released and I really wanted one! :P
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Hey people, I think this is a lot of fun... 8) I'm glad to see you agree with me Val.
And yes, that solo on Dug up a Diamond... A modern classic indeed. I also liked Richard's solo on Pyroman. But sometimes his twangy sound is a bit annoying.
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That's OK Tallgren, we can both agree - it's fun, even when we disagree! ;D
BTW Forgive my ignorance, because I don't play guitar, but what is a D5 chord? ::)
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A D5 is what is called a power chord. A normal chord concists of three notes, whereas a, say, D5 omits the tone that normally separates a major ("happy") chord from a minor ("sad") chord. Such chords are often used when playing elecric rock guitar because the sound is more unified.
D5 is especially common in Mark's music. That's the strummed chord in the beginning of Why Aye Man, for example. I used it as an example of the low level of some of Richard's contributions.
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Thanks for the information,Tallgren!
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Glad you asked!
Time to travel across Sweden for the holidays tomorrow. Gonna be nice.
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Have a great time, Tallgren and a safe journey! :)
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Quote Sweetsurrender:
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Hey Val, you forgot something important! When Mark is changing, he also can perhaps add some female
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But hey Val.........We are friends!!! :o ;D
Fieneke
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Oh my, what do we do? Best poker hand? Lottery? Free for all? or - - - free for ALL? Since I can't sing well, I could stand next to Mark and go 'ooooh oooohhh oooohhhh' in harmony. ;D ;D
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ROFL Marie! Ok, we can't have a fight on stage and with playing poker or lottery I never had luck, so I agree all the ladies can be in the back ground choir! ;D........*Phhhh lucky this is solved, because I can't sing either* ;D ........I am sure Mark will be proud of all of us!! ;)
Yeahhh that is really a good idea! I always say "One for all and all for one, but in this case is Mark for me" :P ;D
Fieneke
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Madrid 2001 audience DVD: http://tracker.knopflertk.net/torrents-details.php?id=1752
La KnopflerTK Edition DVD: http://tracker.knopflertk.net/torrents-details.php?id=1753
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but that is the fanmade one, julio's right?
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Yes, the first one is the recording some spanish fan made there, and the second one is the one I did with the previous recording with the soundchecks from that show, using pictures taken by a friend of mine during the scheck...
That
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Thanks Julio for authoring this special dvd!!! I should have uploaded it earlier. Now it's shared both on the tracker and in the hub. I'd always love to share more Spanish shows on the trakcer and in the hub, to reward what you wonderful Spanish fans have offered for us for ages. I can't live without the tracker and the hub.
Wishes
Allen
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we should more publicity for the good old hub...
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Going back to the original thread...
Even all the aspects comented here regarding the MK esthetic of that day (quite funny the thing with his hear and the wind) and the poor music quality of some of the band members in that tour, I would love that eventualy that pro dvd surface because it was a very special concert for a friend of mine who is like a brother for me :)
I wonder if some day some of this proshot unreleased MK stuff could see the light of day as the Clapton material did.
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Going back to the original thread...
Even all the aspects comented here regarding the MK esthetic of that day (quite funny the thing with his hear and the wind) and the poor music quality of some of the band members in that tour, I would love that eventualy that pro dvd surface because it was a very special concert for a friend of mine who is like a brother for me :)
I wonder if some day some of this proshot unreleased MK stuff could see the light of day as the Clapton material did.
Apart from the hair and wind, MK had strapping on his wrist/arm that day if I'm not mistaken although the picture isn't that clear. It sure looks like he does anyway to me.
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Going back to the original thread...
I wonder if some day some of this proshot unreleased MK stuff could see the light of day as the Clapton material did.
What Clapton material?
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Going back to the original thread...
I wonder if some day some of this proshot unreleased MK stuff could see the light of day as the Clapton material did.
What Clapton material?
The Philadelphia and San Francisco dvds from the tour he did with Mark Knopfler, or The Orchestral night from the RAH 24 nights concerts, and from that same nights, some of the nights where he played as a 4 piece band, and many more, taped proffesionally (as Madrid 2001 or Shepperd Bush 2002) but never released oficially (as Madrid 2001 or Shepperd Bush 2002).
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Most of them comes from broadcasts
The problem IS that today most radio and TV does not have enough interest to invest into broadcasting a real full MK show (unless this is MK a/o management who refuse it) . All we have is promo show with a surrogate band.
Edit : All we have is MK promo show backed by a surrogate band.
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The problem IS that today most radio and TV does not have enough interest to invest into broadcasting a real full MK show (unless this is MK a/o management who refuse it) . All we have is promo show with a surrogate band.
I've thought of this, but it seems very strange to me, lots of artists who sell a fraction of the records of MK have their shows broadcast on TV. Maybe MK just refuses.
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The problem IS that today most radio and TV does not have enough interest to invest into broadcasting a real full MK show (unless this is MK a/o management who refuse it) . All we have is promo show with a surrogate band.
I've thought of this, but it seems very strange to me, lots of artists who sell a fraction of the records of MK have their shows broadcast on TV. Maybe MK just refuses.
Maybe?
Paul Crockford: Mark, we have a petition of a Tv station for broadcast of your shows.
Mark: Who wants to see an old boring man playing when you can see interesting staff as Big Brother?
Paul: Ok, I