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Previous Tours => 2010 Get Lucky Tour => Topic started by: Love Expresso on June 27, 2010, 01:38:32 PM

Title: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: Love Expresso on June 27, 2010, 01:38:32 PM
Hi,

I know there has been some discussion about the quality of the simfy recordings in different threads already. My reason for this track is:
All those people who attended several live shows are maybe able to judge which recording is the best one, and I mean "best" in the sense of "best overall" which would mean soundwise and performance-wise if you know what I mean.

I have got London and Hamburg(EDITED) until now. They have the same setlist (apart from the GL/Monteleone swap),  and I  want to purchase at least two or three more shows. Luxembourg seems to have the best "alternative" setlist with WAM, CMG and DG. And Pottel never stopped saying that Antwerp was the best show so far.  ;)

So let come in your suggestions! The more, the better!

LE

EDITED: I changed Hamburg for Munich which I mentioned by mistake. Thanks Goldenheart96
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: Knopflerfan on June 27, 2010, 03:21:39 PM
I initially purchased the RAH show and as we had been to a show and knowing what the sound was like there, and yes the recording captures the glorious 'echo' that the historic hall provides which to me makes this the ultimate download to capture Mark.

I then downloaded 'Luxemburg' purely to get WAM, CMG & DG and wasn't dissapointed by this show whatsoever!! I would like to purchase a couple more and am leaning to the Antwerp show purely 'cos Pottel say so!! Of course I would dearly love a copy of Bournemouth but we will have to wait and see.....
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: goldenheart96 on June 27, 2010, 03:29:09 PM
I'd still say Frankfurt, but as you know, I'm biased  ;D
It was a kick-ass performance but I have to say the flute is too loud on the recording (IMO).

BTW LE, I think you meant Hamburg instead of Munich, right? Because MK played WAM in Munich. I was there  ;D
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: peterromer on June 27, 2010, 03:31:42 PM
I have not attended all the concerts but I dare to give my 10 cents anyway on this. I have 9 simfy shows and my verdict according to the sound of these would be:
1) Luxemborg - for me clearly the best show.  (performance, setlist, sound)
2) Middelfart (the simfy was way better than the actual sound at the venue - performance and sound very very good)
3) Paris (performance, sound and setlist)


 
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: herlock on June 27, 2010, 03:35:33 PM
I have purchased all that were necessay to discover all songs as soon as possible, plus one to get the "MFN" effect in Coyote.
That it to say, RAH #1, Antwerp, Luxembourg, Frankfurt, Paris, Helsingborg, and Leipitz.
They all sound great to me. I have a preference for Paris, but I'm biased :) Although I promise that SoS, Marbletown, Speedway, TR are really perfect on the Paris show.
on my Iphone I put Paris as the main one, and I completed with Frankfurt for Get Lucky, Luxembourg for Why Aye Man, Cleaning my Gun and Donegan's gone, Leipitz for the Fish and the Bird. I made a playlist for all these, it rocks :)
Some people complained that Richard can't be heard because it is low in the mix compared to Mike, especially on SAN. I have not noticed obvious differences in the mix of all these shows, some people said the German ones were better mixed, can somebody advise ?
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: herlock on June 27, 2010, 03:37:47 PM
I'd still say Frankfurt, but as you know, I'm biased  ;D
It was a kick-ass performance but I have to say the flute is too loud on the recording (IMO).

BTW LE, I think you meant Hamburg instead of Munich, right? Because MK played WAM in Munich. I was there  ;D

Yes, same for me for Paris, once you attended *THE* show in your hometown, there is such an emotional impact on hearing exactly the same concert again that you totally loose objectivity. One need to be aware of this, there is not definite answer, my best show won't necessarily be yours !
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: Hoops McCann on June 27, 2010, 03:51:57 PM
I would recommend Oslo. The one RAH recording definitely has more overall bass than the other recordings.
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: dustyvalentino on June 27, 2010, 06:02:45 PM
I have only listened to 4 or 5 so far but of those Luxembourg clearly had the best sound quality.

Very good performance and set too, so I would say it is a must have.

Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: Love Expresso on June 27, 2010, 06:11:10 PM
Thanks folks, was not online for the last two hours because I had to watch Germany beat England 4:1, but thanks to you all for these recommendations.
As far as I can see, Luxembourg is mentioned the most until now?

LE
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: Shoaib on June 28, 2010, 09:06:04 AM
Luxembourg is the best one to me...
But you can't afford to miss the "Paris Show" because of stunning "A Night in Summer Long Ago"
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: localhero1986 on June 28, 2010, 09:22:08 AM
I bought the recording from Cologne and the sound is good although there is a slight "bliep" sound during the first seconds of WII. Sound quality of the recording is much better compared to the sound quality at the gig.
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: goldenheart96 on June 28, 2010, 02:50:35 PM
Just downloaded the Luxembourg show. Wow! Donegan's Gone is awesome... I've never really liked that song but that version is stunning!  :o
And Cleaning My Gun of course... (even though MK plays it a little too "laid-back" for my taste... Could be rockier IMO)  8)
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: Knopflerfan on June 28, 2010, 03:09:26 PM
Just downloaded the Luxembourg show. Wow! Donegan's Gone is awesome... I've never really liked that song but that version is stunning!  :o


Donegans gone was the one song that really stuck out for me at the Bournemouth show, like you I could take it or leave it but after the experience of hearing and watching Mark so closely play this version at Bournemouth I absolutley love it now. I particulary like this 'new' version with a lovely quiet build up which Mark plays a lovely bit of 'slide' then eventually on with the 'skiffle'!!!
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: Love Expresso on June 28, 2010, 09:47:41 PM
I was obedient and downloaded the Luxembourg show.  ;D Right now I am listening to it! Good choice, great show! Thanks again for your advice. My remarks so far:

-Why Aye Man is better than 2008, but best versions for me are from 2005.
-Mike McGoldrick indeed seems to have to much space and parts on the entire show. Sometimes less is more
-A new beginning, a new approach for Marbletown, with the last chord reminding me of Ride Across The River...
-Great version indeed of Donegan's Gone  :o , it's a shame that this song is not an integral part of the setlist
-Nice to have a cool and laid back version of Cleaning My Gun, however, I am happy with the choice that Coyote was played more often.
-Sultans: I was thinking about opening a new thread with the title: Can anybody name a version of Sultans from 2010 without any mistake? (hoo hoo)
Really strange that he seems not to be able to deliver one clean and proper played version of that song. I am sure lots of people will call me an idiot and
mention now two dozens Sultans from this tour without any mistake....

Nevertheless, another great download, and another great concert to have! I am really grateful that simfy offers these shows!

LE
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: herlock on June 28, 2010, 10:21:43 PM
Agree with most of your post,LE.
I think WAM was actually best in 2002 with sax.
SoS was best in 1996 with piano.
There is toi much flute and pipe on WII especially. Never Heard a good WII live, except 2002 maybe. Sometimes th
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: dmg on June 28, 2010, 11:00:36 PM
Can't agree with you on Sultans with Jim Cox's hogging the limelight with his 10 minute jazz piano sprawling piece in the middle.  I forgot what song I was listening to back then!

Anyway, with Mike and his flute in the band being overused where it's not really welcome what an excellent opportunity to reintroduce Ride Across the River where it would be right at home.  Yes, RAtR instead of Marbletown or something would be right on the money. :P
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: herlock on June 28, 2010, 11:54:18 PM
Can't agree with you on Sultans with Jim Cox's hogging the limelight with his 10 minute jazz piano sprawling piece in the middle.  I forgot what song I was listening to back then!

Anyway, with Mike and his flute in the band being overused where it's not really welcome what an excellent opportunity to reintroduce Ride Across the River where it would be right at home.  Yes, RAtR instead of Marbletown or something would be right on the money. :P
Arghh.... let's burn the heretic ! :p Seriously Jim Cox's 2 (not 10) minute piano piece is the best thing that happened to this song, IMHO. Makes it a bit progressive... slows down then goes furious again. Fantastic. Can't really understand this trendy and fanatic opinion that "It was always meant to be a 4-piece "pure" guitar song". BIA versions were awsome. I was looking again at Live Aid, fantastic performance. Oh well...
But I agree with you on RATR. Fantastic opener song, no official live version. This and TMSTS would be great - that latter, guy said, have been considered and rehearsed...

Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: ds1984 on June 30, 2010, 07:05:06 PM
Can't agree with you on Sultans with Jim Cox's hogging the limelight with his 10 minute jazz piano sprawling piece in the middle.  I forgot what song I was listening to back then!

Anyway, with Mike and his flute in the band being overused where it's not really welcome what an excellent opportunity to reintroduce Ride Across the River where it would be right at home.  Yes, RAtR instead of Marbletown or something would be right on the money. :P

I miss Alan touch on that one in 96 and did not enjoy what Jim did on it. Judging how great is Matt on R&J or TR, I think he could play the part with great success.

That said SOS 2010 has a nice groove although the solo seem to has become very challenging for Mark.
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: Tally on June 30, 2010, 07:42:20 PM
Another song that would fit today is Iron Hand. But Ride Across, yes please  8)

I have to add that I think the flute in the What It Is riff sounds very nice, though it's overused in the licks. But the riff is fine with flute, a nice touch.
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: dustyvalentino on June 30, 2010, 09:52:36 PM

I have to add that I think the flute in the What It Is riff sounds very nice, though it's overused in the licks. But the riff is fine with flute, a nice touch.

Meh, I don't like it. Nothing against MM, but on too may songs he is simply playing the guitar part on the flute, WAM, WII, on Speedway he is even playing along with sections of the solo! It's overkill, I won't mind if he doesn't make it next tour.
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: localhero1986 on June 30, 2010, 10:06:44 PM
Actually, I wonder why Mike McGold doesn't play Matt's part during BIA. The outro would be great using wood wind instead of accordion (more or less like the OES tour).
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: Tally on June 30, 2010, 10:33:13 PM
Listening to the Luxembourg show, I find that I miss Tim O'Brien. His banjo really added something to Donegan and Marbletown, and his singing on STP of course. Frankly I don't think that Mike adds that much now that McCusker is back.

I like the WII riff with flute, but a flute while Mark is soloing? No thank you, though the first few seconds of the fast bit at the end works very well, right after the riff is played after the breakdown. It adds energy to Mark's fast playing. Much better than just playing Mark's parts, as you note above that Mike often does.
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: dmg on June 30, 2010, 11:12:43 PM

I have to add that I think the flute in the What It Is riff sounds very nice, though it's overused in the licks. But the riff is fine with flute, a nice touch.

Meh, I don't like it. Nothing against MM, but on too may songs he is simply playing the guitar part on the flute, WAM, WII, on Speedway he is even playing along with sections of the solo! It's overkill, I won't mind if he doesn't make it next tour.

Here, here!
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: goldenheart96 on June 30, 2010, 11:18:11 PM

I have to add that I think the flute in the What It Is riff sounds very nice, though it's overused in the licks. But the riff is fine with flute, a nice touch.

Meh, I don't like it. Nothing against MM, but on too may songs he is simply playing the guitar part on the flute, WAM, WII, on Speedway he is even playing along with sections of the solo! It's overkill, I won't mind if he doesn't make it next tour.

Agree! More guitar, less flute please! That flute sounds nice but it is annoyingly
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: joanzimm on June 30, 2010, 11:54:27 PM
I did not like the flute on Speedway at all.  I thought it detracted from the song and drowned out the guitars. :(
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: herlock on July 01, 2010, 09:55:47 AM
Another song that would fit today is Iron Hand. But Ride Across, yes please  8)

I have to add that I think the flute in the What It Is riff sounds very nice, though it's overused in the licks. But the riff is fine with flute, a nice touch.

Agree about Iron Hand !! Very sweet song, one of the best of the OES album (together with OES, PONO, YAYF), not played often on the OES tour, sadly left out from "On the Night" in favor of mediocre "rock" tunes like Heavy Fuel or The Bug... the flute version is very nice and would fit very well today. Same as RATR, would deserve to be resurrected.

The flute on 2008/2010 reminds me a bit of Paul Franklin's steel guitar in 91/92: the player is not the problem, the sound can be fantastic on some songs (e.g. Marbletown), but can be quite ennoying when overused to cover the guitar (e.g. WII, Speedway).
Similarly, Pedal Steel was fine on OES or The Bug, but... Pedal Steel on TR ?? on BIA ?? on Sultans ?? it's like playing accordeon on Mozart's symphonies !!

The problem may be that once you have a musician on board a tour, you feel kind of morally obliged to have him participate to all songs and not just sit there most of the time. But at times this is what PF/MM/JM should do in the interest of the music...


Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: dustyvalentino on July 01, 2010, 10:11:40 AM
The flute on 2008/2010 reminds me a bit of Paul Franklin's steel guitar in 91/92: the player is not the problem, the sound can be fantastic on some songs (e.g. Marbletown), but can be quite ennoying when overused to cover the guitar (e.g. WII, Speedway).
Similarly, Pedal Steel was fine on OES or The Bug, but... Pedal Steel on TR ?? on BIA ?? on Sultans ?? it's like playing accordeon on Mozart's symphonies !!

The problem may be that once you have a musician on board a tour, you feel kind of morally obliged to have him participate to all songs and not just sit there most of the time. But at times this is what PF/MM/JM should do in the interest of the music...


Disagree, I don't think the pedal steel was overused on that tour, but by it's very nature it can blend in to the backgrund easily and provide "colour". Paul Franklin played some interesting parts and din't just copy what MK was doing.
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: herlock on July 01, 2010, 10:36:58 AM
Disagree, I don't think the pedal steel was overused on that tour, but by it's very nature it can blend in to the backgrund easily and provide "colour". Paul Franklin played some interesting parts and din't just copy what MK was doing.
He did indeed some interesting parts, he is with no doubt a very talented musician, on OES he does a fantastic job.
But, matter of taste, he just can't stand TR being introduce with Pedal Steel, and I hate it on BIA. Sure I'm not the only one :) Anyway, taste is a very subjective matter...
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: Love Expresso on July 01, 2010, 10:48:18 AM
TR and BIA are overplayed anyway in my opinion - so it doesn't bother me if Mike spoils them or not. Even at RAH 2010 I was switching on my "off-line-modus" when SAN was over. I knew what would coming and was about to have a look around at the RAH. When Piper started, the concert started again for me also. It would have been great if they had changed that big part of the show also a little bit. This is no setlist moaning because this selist is very close to my favourite. Only one or two changes would have it perfect for me:

(Border Reiver, Why Aye Man, No WII, Sailing, Coyote, AND Cleaning My Gun, Hill Farmer, Romeo, Sultans, No Bonnie, Marbletown, Donegan, Get Lucky,
Speedway, NO Telegraph BUT Boom, Like That and So Far From the Clyde  instead, then So Far Away, then Piper. Ready is my perfect GL-tour-list!)

I am listening to my new Luxembourg download very often and I really like that show indeed. Good atmosphere, good sound, some great versions.
The problem with Simfy is you always want more and more...  :P

LE
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: herlock on July 01, 2010, 11:31:36 AM
I'm always amazed with how us fans can differ :)
Mark has been widely critized for playing the same DS songs over and over. I don't, because I fully agree with his statements of "old tunes being milestones for people".
TR has a very special place in my heart. My first encounter with progressive rock ever. I used to play the "Money for Nothing" compilation CD, with the live remix version of TR, over and over. In France the song was judged good enough to be a subject of study for the end of high school exam ("Baccalaur
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: dustyvalentino on July 01, 2010, 11:38:59 AM
I think we would all agree that these are classic songs and they are no doubt very much a part of why we all love MK.

It just gets a bit much hearing them again and again and again tour after tour.

The 2006 tour with Emmylou provided a welcome break to me, and I remain of the view that Speedway worked as an epic finale before the encores and that TR should be dropped, if only for the next tour to give us a break.

Back on topic, listening to Cologne today and it has a very, very good version of Coyote, Glenn's bass sounds great.
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: peterromer on July 01, 2010, 02:40:14 PM
Exactly - and that is why (for example) he should do CMG more often...  he has the experience, he has the top skilled musicians, he has an impressive musical catalogue of songs, if he cannot improvise, nobody can   :D
He just need to go in clinch with his own control freak aspect... as where to do what and why  ;D

I clearly remember in Denmark in 1992, which described in another thread, but he came out alone in front of 25.000 in the break and did "Singing In The Rain" - "Ole, Ole, Ole" ..... just do something we do not exspect...  never seen anything like it since.   
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: Dutchessy on July 01, 2010, 02:48:51 PM
Amsterdam is really good quality! :D
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: tunnel85 on July 01, 2010, 04:14:26 PM
Amsterdam is really good quality! :D
Which one would you suggest ? The first night because of SOS ?
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: Dutchessy on July 01, 2010, 04:29:50 PM
Amsterdam is really good quality! :D
Which one would you suggest ? The first night because of SOS ?


Hard one...

Maybe SOS was the second and third night even better... At this moment, I still has only 29 june (tuesday)
so nothing to compare. But I'm sure all 3 Amsterdam concerts are really good!
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: Tally on July 03, 2010, 08:22:05 PM
I must say Helsingborg is really good. Slightly better than Luxembourg.
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: dustyvalentino on July 04, 2010, 10:19:30 AM
I must say Helsingborg is really good. Slightly better than Luxembourg.

Disagree. :)

Although interesting that MK says before Speedway that it was written about a Swedish person. Has he ever said that before? Do we know who he is talking about?
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: Tally on July 04, 2010, 10:48:16 AM
It's the first time I have ever heard him say anything at the beginning of SAN.

But I think that Sultans, WII, Coyote and Border Reiver were really strong in Helsingborg.
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: Love Expresso on July 04, 2010, 11:04:59 AM

Although interesting that MK says before Speedway that it was written about a Swedish person. Has he ever said that before? Do we know who he is talking about?

Yes, I think we do. It was told that MK is (good) friends with Sweden's race driver Stefan Johanson, and that his stories about his racing life inspired the song.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Johansson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Johansson)

LE
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: ds1984 on July 05, 2010, 09:38:30 PM
I just listened to GL from Wien and I would suggest that this version will be a serious competitor for the title.

Another though, seem that shorter version of HFB generally provide better solo than the longer one - just an impression  I had earlier and that the Wroclaw/Wien comparison strenghtened.
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: Darling Pretty on July 07, 2010, 07:51:03 PM
Luxembourg has in my opinion the best european setlist so far.
With Donegan,WAM and CMG. Still not perfect.

Cologne is not so good because the band seemed tired.
Oberhausen is far better.

Let's wait for Italy and Spain...
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: localhero1986 on July 07, 2010, 08:57:16 PM
I have to say, speedway sounds fantastic this tour. In 2001, 2005 it lacked sometimes some energy, since John plays violin it's better but the GL tour speedway is awesome! ;D

I'll check after the tour, maybe I'll buy another recording (depending on the setlist). Would like to have a nice version of a night in summer long ago and get lucky. :)
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: ingridswing on July 07, 2010, 09:30:12 PM
Oberhausen: I like Marbletown the best and So Far Away has a funny intro
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: jbaent on July 08, 2010, 06:37:11 PM
Looks like simfy people are on holydays, Budapest was 4 days ago, and it
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: drummeroli on July 26, 2010, 11:09:58 AM
My suggestion for the best recording so far: the Paris show. The overall soundquality of the simfy-recording is by far the best I
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: jbaent on July 26, 2010, 12:43:43 PM
Does anyone knows which brand of usb stick are they using for his recordings? I
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: Pyroaction on July 26, 2010, 12:46:36 PM
I like the Paris recording, but Nimes is fabulous altough it contains only 14 songs and not Coyote (but a longer Oe, Oe, Oe and Richard's Happy Birthday).
I will download the Lyon recording this evening... I don't know why it wasn't available earlier?
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: herlock on July 26, 2010, 12:59:50 PM
Agree.
I just switched from Paris to N
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: GennT on July 26, 2010, 06:10:37 PM
Sultans of Swing from Amsterdam 1st night is a very powerful version.Was there myself!
About WAM , I think the US audience ones are much better,the flute totally ruined this song!
Don't know about other ones, as I only have Luxembourg and Amstedam so I can't really compare.
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: Love Expresso on July 26, 2010, 08:46:36 PM
I think I am a minority here thinking that the flute fits well into WAM? There is one, or a synth-one, in the chorus of the album version, too, and I think this version is better than the 2008 one. Mixing is another thing: It might be too loud in the mix, that's true. But I think it is a good addition to the song.
In Speedway however I think the flute is totally wrong and Mike should have taken a break instead. Just my opinion.  ;)

LE
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: dustyvalentino on July 26, 2010, 09:43:41 PM
I think I am a minority here thinking that the flute fits well into WAM?

Yes.
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: dmg on July 26, 2010, 11:12:42 PM
I think I am a minority here thinking that the flute fits well into WAM? There is one, or a synth-one, in the chorus of the album version, too, and I think this version is better than the 2008 one. Mixing is another thing: It might be too loud in the mix, that's true. But I think it is a good addition to the song.
In Speedway however I think the flute is totally wrong and Mike should have taken a break instead. Just my opinion.  ;)

LE

You're definately right about Speedway although the flute doesn't sound so loud at the actual concerts.  This is one instance where the Simfy recordings have failed miserably;  their inability to provide a decent sounding Speedway.  This is so annoying as versions from this tour are so great at the concerts but so disappointing when you hear them on the Simfy recording.  Other songs are fine but they haven't managed to master this one. 

I noticed on Guy's diary that the Simfy guy is leaving after Cordoba (so already left) so perhaps the few concerts left will sound slightly different or perhaps he will pass on some pre-sets to a collegue? :-\
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: dustyvalentino on July 27, 2010, 11:02:08 AM
I think I am a minority here thinking that the flute fits well into WAM? There is one, or a synth-one, in the chorus of the album version, too, and I think this version is better than the 2008 one. Mixing is another thing: It might be too loud in the mix, that's true. But I think it is a good addition to the song.
In Speedway however I think the flute is totally wrong and Mike should have taken a break instead. Just my opinion.  ;)

LE

You're definately right about Speedway although the flute doesn't sound so loud at the actual concerts.  This is one instance where the Simfy recordings have failed miserably;  their inability to provide a decent sounding Speedway.  This is so annoying as versions from this tour are so great at the concerts but so disappointing when you hear them on the Simfy recording.  Other songs are fine but they haven't managed to master this one. 

I noticed on Guy's diary that the Simfy guy is leaving after Cordoba (so already left) so perhaps the few concerts left will sound slightly different or perhaps he will pass on some pre-sets to a collegue? :-\

You are right, flute down, RB up, piece of piss. :)
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: herlock on July 27, 2010, 11:22:40 AM
I think I am a minority here thinking that the flute fits well into WAM? There is one, or a synth-one, in the chorus of the album version, too, and I think this version is better than the 2008 one. Mixing is another thing: It might be too loud in the mix, that's true. But I think it is a good addition to the song.
In Speedway however I think the flute is totally wrong and Mike should have taken a break instead. Just my opinion.  ;)

LE

You're definately right about Speedway although the flute doesn't sound so loud at the actual concerts.  This is one instance where the Simfy recordings have failed miserably;  their inability to provide a decent sounding Speedway.  This is so annoying as versions from this tour are so great at the concerts but so disappointing when you hear them on the Simfy recording.  Other songs are fine but they haven't managed to master this one. 

I noticed on Guy's diary that the Simfy guy is leaving after Cordoba (so already left) so perhaps the few concerts left will sound slightly different or perhaps he will pass on some pre-sets to a collegue? :-\
A bit harsh, the Nimes recording features a fabulous sounding Speedway... the flute adds to it I think, now when I llisten to the RLRR version I feel that something is missing (altough the female voice of EH is a big plus...)

Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: Darling Pretty on July 27, 2010, 12:20:48 PM
I think the Simfy recordings sound really good. Better than any official Live CD.
With all the applause and mistakes. Nice.
The mix varies a bit from gig to gig.

To WAM: Yes, the flute sounds a bit strange in that song. Anyway I think there are a bit too much flute sounds at all.

When you like a louder RB mix take Oberhausen. Very loud Border Reiver rythm and also on BIA Richard sounds amazing.
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: dustyvalentino on July 27, 2010, 01:20:48 PM
When you like a louder RB mix take Oberhausen. Very loud Border Reiver rythm and also on BIA Richard sounds amazing.

It's really the power chords in Speedway that I miss.
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: ds1984 on July 27, 2010, 03:50:05 PM
When you like a louder RB mix take Oberhausen. Very loud Border Reiver rythm and also on BIA Richard sounds amazing.

It's really the power chords in Speedway that I miss.

This is what I am telling from starts but I have reached the conclusion that RB power chord is so loud that the recording can't catch the dynamic of it, I remember how I was deceived when a 2001 live version of this track was released on a CD single and sounded so flat compared to the actual show. Should I add that also a mandolin part would be much better than the bouzouki rythm but 2nd part of the song is just extraordinaire live. And now they are just memories for me, Richard is such a wonderful player.
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: herlock on July 27, 2010, 04:16:29 PM
So, the RLRR version with EH is not that bad, after all ? ;)
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: Dutchessy on July 27, 2010, 11:08:48 PM
No way, This speedway is definately the best ever IMO... That flute is just awsome!
It takes the song to a higher level, the solo is build up with the flute and than comes RB with
the power chords in combination with some flute 'licks'. Amazing version this tour.

Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: Shoaib on July 28, 2010, 08:07:38 AM
No way, This speedway is definately the best ever IMO... That flute is just awsome!
It takes the song to a higher level, the solo is build up with the flute and than comes RB with
the power chords in combination with some flute 'licks'. Amazing version this tour.

Totally Agreed....
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: ollyz on August 04, 2010, 12:47:39 PM
Hello to all of you.
I'm thinking about buying yet another 1-2 concerts but not sure which one.
I already have the Hamburg Concert, which is ok and a fine memory because i was there.
But soundwise it could be better, because it sounds a bit muddy in my opinion.

So please, which one is the best sounding so far? Nimes, Luxembourg?
How about the last concerts?

Regards,
Olly
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: Rollergirl on August 04, 2010, 01:24:25 PM
the last one (Gredos) is pretty good too
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: ds1984 on August 04, 2010, 03:24:55 PM
Currently listening to Cordoba - impressive - but as I have not listened to all the others ones I can't say if it is the best one.
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: Dutchessy on August 04, 2010, 04:29:11 PM
Barcelona and Nimes are good too! And Amsterdam all 3 shows good audio quality.
Montreux not really good sound
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: superval99 on August 04, 2010, 04:40:04 PM
I'm very happy with Frankfurt, but not too impressed with Locarno!   :-\
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: Pottel on August 04, 2010, 08:56:30 PM
listening to locarno now, good, still not decided yet what my final vote on it will be.
guy's fave is madrid, or so he mentioned.
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: Pottel on August 04, 2010, 09:17:21 PM
like the beginning of Speedway in locarno.
Mark plays the riff of the EC song that has the lyrics (forget the title right now) "going down to Rosdale, take my driver by my side" or something like that..
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: GennT on August 04, 2010, 09:24:13 PM
Haha yeah Crossroads by EC , I noticed it too in some recordings!
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: dmg on August 04, 2010, 10:52:50 PM
listening to locarno now, good, still not decided yet what my final vote on it will be.
guy's fave is madrid, or so he mentioned.


I got Madrid and to be honest I don't know how Guy thought it was the best show!  Great Speedway (as usual) but apart from that I'd say slightly below par.  I'd say most of the later concerts had very similar solo's as MK seemed to get less and less inspired.  It's sometimes difficult to tell them apart!
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: ollyz on August 06, 2010, 06:49:03 AM
Thanks for your answers.
I think i will give Luxembourg a chance first because of the different setlist.

Regards,
Olly
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: K-alberto on August 06, 2010, 09:56:01 PM
Well, I'm so in love with A Night in Summer that I obviously prefer the Paris show.
Mark sings that song (and a lot of other tunes) in a very inspired way... not standard.
So Paris has these two pecoliarities that I appreciate so much.
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 06, 2010, 10:15:55 PM
Thanks for your answers.
I think i will give Luxembourg a chance first because of the different setlist.

Regards,
Olly

The Luxembourg concert is highly recomended espeically the version of CMG!! ENJOY
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: Hoops McCann on September 12, 2010, 04:29:44 AM
The version of Marbletown played in Locarno was really fantastic! It sounded a bit more inspired than at some of the other shows.
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: Dutchessy on September 15, 2010, 11:27:36 PM
Birmingham has the best Hill Farmers Blues ever...

Solo is 30 seconds longer than all the other simfy recordings! :D
Lenght is 5.42, instead of 5.14 by the other concerts...

There is one similair Hill Farmers Blues in USA audience... Around the 20th of may...
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: Rollergirl on September 16, 2010, 09:35:49 AM
just bought Glasgow and I love it! (I think I can hear Dusty's bra landing on stage too!)
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: Love Expresso on September 16, 2010, 10:38:11 AM
I thought Dusty was the guy who was shouting "Shultans Of Shwing" all the time - tried to figure out if he was still shouting it  a f t e r Sultans was played... he he he  ;D


LE
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: dustyvalentino on September 16, 2010, 12:50:29 PM
Ha, to be honest I was reasonably subdued that night, just sitting back and enjoying the show. My car broke down en route and I almost didn't make it at all, so I was pleased just to be there. :)
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: Love Expresso on September 16, 2010, 02:30:14 PM
I remember that. I was just kidding of course. i like the vibe of the Glasgow recording very much. Mark uses some strong dialect at one or two occasions and the special guest is of course giving very much to the show. Great show.

LE
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: dustyvalentino on October 06, 2010, 12:40:38 PM
Finally got round to listening to Glasgow today. As always need to add the caveat that I haven't heard all the Simfy shows, and maybe I'm listening through rose-tinted headphones because I was there, but could this be the best Simfy show?

Great quality recording (you can almost hear Richard's power chords in Speedway and the flute is mixed down.
Great set, one of the longest, of the European leg anyway?
Special guest Phil Cunningham.
You can tell that MK is just really enjoying himself. He's very chatty. How often after Sultans does he comment on how much fun it is playing the old songs?

Anyway, if you don't have it it's a must buy IMO.
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: superval99 on October 06, 2010, 03:36:16 PM
My favourite of the nine I have is Manchester.   In Speedway, the flute is not so obvious and I really love the versions of Coyote, Get Lucky, Marbletown and TR, but I think the RAH is pretty good too - maybe the sound is not so good as the other UK ones though.    In fact I love all of my UK shows, especially the ones I attended.  :P  

I think it makes a difference to how you feel about a particular concert when you were actually there.   At the Bournemouth concert a group of us from AMIT - Pottel, Ingrid, Marky and myself were singing and swaying together right in front of MK during SFA and on the recording I can hear MK say "Yeah, that's nice" - I hope he meant it for us, I like to think so anyway!   ;D   Bournemouth was very special.   :P

Now that it looks unlikely we will get the Dublin show, I intend to download Glasgow, as there have been quite a few recommendations.   :)
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: Love Expresso on October 06, 2010, 09:42:24 PM
Yeah, Glasgow is greeet.

LE
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: dmg on October 07, 2010, 01:19:01 PM
Yeah, Glasgow is greeet.

LE
In fact, Glasgow's miles better! ;D
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: ingridswing on October 07, 2010, 01:28:05 PM
Yes, we had a great time in Bournemouth!  ;D
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: superval99 on October 07, 2010, 09:32:12 PM
I downloaded the Glasgow concert today and have just finished listening to it.   It is, indeed, an excellent concert with great sound and performance too!   It has now taken its place alongside my other favourites!    :)
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: Newcastle49 on October 20, 2010, 10:06:28 AM
Hello !
I am new here and I would like to know if it is possible to buy a official record of 2005 ?
Thank you.
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: dustyvalentino on October 20, 2010, 10:32:15 AM
You can download some soundboard shows from this site:

http://www.markknopflermusic.com/2009/06/fila-forum-milan-italy-10th-june-2005.html

Technically as these were sold this would be breach of copyright, but they are no longer available to buy so I guess it's kind of a grey area...
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: Millionaire Blues on October 21, 2010, 09:38:47 PM
Just a quick question.....

If i download the mp3 version of say newcastle...does this still allow me to put it on my ipod??? Or do you have to buy the more expensive USB stick??

Cheers

MB
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: dustyvalentino on October 21, 2010, 11:04:40 PM
Just a quick question.....

If i download the mp3 version of say newcastle...does this still allow me to put it on my ipod??? Or do you have to buy the more expensive USB stick??

Cheers

MB

Yup, MP3s go right on to an iPod. :)
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: ds1984 on October 21, 2010, 11:07:28 PM
Just a quick question.....

If i download the mp3 version of say newcastle...does this still allow me to put it on my ipod??? Or do you have to buy the more expensive USB stick??

Cheers

MB

These mp3 files are DRM free. You can buy them with confidence.
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: Millionaire Blues on October 21, 2010, 11:58:03 PM
Cheers guys, am listeinig to newcastle on my ipod getting goosepumps!!

I love knopfler so much!!!

 :)
Title: Re: Best SimfyLive Recording so far?
Post by: superval99 on October 22, 2010, 09:51:20 AM
Hi MB!    Have you heard the Manchester concert as I know you were there?   ;)    I really love it, but at the moment I am listening a lot to Bournemouth, which is very good too.  :)