A Mark In Time
Previous Tours => 2011 Mark Knopfler & Bob Dylan Tour => Topic started by: dannyjun on August 04, 2011, 12:01:02 PM
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What do you think that will be the first and the last song of MK
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I'd be happy to listen to "Border Reiver" as an opener again, so the last song will be "Piper To The End". They might think that the rather quiet "Going Home" isn't suitable as the show isn't all over then.
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Border reiver and Piper to the end
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Border Reiver to use up, sorry justify John and Mike.
Brothers In Arms to end as I think Piper is just okay to finish a concert with but not a short set. Also it will probably be better received by the Dylaners.
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Opening song Cleaning My Gun, because of the veteran theme :lol, it has cool first opening bars, and it would be a nice introduction for the new drummer, followed and directly linked with Why Aye Man!
Closing song is not so easy to say because I hope for a last song that is joined by Bob Dylan, to give him a first "unofficial" appearance on stage, before after the break he officially returns with his full band. So Knocking On Heaven's Door, or maybe... Precious Angel!
(Other songs I expect at MK's set are Hill Farmer's Blues, Romeo & Juliet, Marbletown, Brothers In Arms and So far Away.)
LE
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(Other songs I expect at MK's set are Hill Farmer's Blues, Romeo & Juliet, Marbletown, Brothers In Arms and So far Away.)
LE
My heart always sinks when I see SFA once more on a set-list, but when I am actually at the concert, I really enjoy that song, because it is really uplifting, especially towards the end of the show. I remember a number of us at the Bournemouth gig last year, arms around eachother, swaying and singing along in front of MK and it was a great moment. He can actually be heard on the Simfy recording saying "Yeah, that's nice" - I like to think it was for us! ;D
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(Other songs I expect at MK's set are Hill Farmer's Blues, Romeo & Juliet, Marbletown, Brothers In Arms and So far Away.)
LE
My heart always sinks when I see SFA once more on a set-list, but when I am actually at the concert, I really enjoy that song, because it is really uplifting, especially towards the end of the show. I remember a number of us at the Bournemouth gig last year, arms around eachother, swaying and singing along in front of MK and it was a great moment. He can actually be heard on the Simfy recording saying "Yeah, that's nice" - I like to think it was for us! ;D
I do agree wholeheartedly.
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Border Reveir and So Far From The Clyde
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What do you think - How big or slim are the chances to hear a brand new song?
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well, pretty slim I am afraid...I think MK hates imagination of loads of crappy videos on YT...also, with this short set and very short tour it is pretty unlikely in my opinion... :-\ but it would be great of course...
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IMHO it is more likely that MK is going to start a second successful career as a news anchorman. :D
But it is a pity, because the new song would have the chance to develop during the tour. And maybe he wouldn't be satisfied with the way the song has been recorded already. Hmpf.
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well, pretty slim I am afraid...I think MK hates imagination of loads of crappy videos on YT...also, with this short set and very short tour it is pretty unlikely in my opinion... :-\ but it would be great of course...
Only 4 concerts in 2002 yet we got the chance to hear 2 new songs so let's have some optimism!
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Yes, and we got Pyroman and Long Highway before, too... But the crappy youtube video thing is a very strong argument... Sadly enough. Oh well, let's wait and listen!
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Chances of listen a new song?
I won
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We will get a new song, but as the album isn't fixed yet is it not sure that this new song will get onto it! So we probably will have another of these cool "unreleased, b-side/or only live released songs... Would be ok with me. I am sure MK will use this tour to say a word or two about his next album to come, maybe during the band introduction for example, when he explains about the new members Jim and Ian.
LE
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We will get a new song, but as the album isn't fixed yet is it not sure that this new song will get onto it! So we probably will have another of these cool "unreleased, b-side/or only live released songs... Would be ok with me. I am sure MK will use this tour to say a word or two about his next album to come, maybe during the band introduction for example, when he explains about the new members Jim and Ian.
LE
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The album was about to be released in 2002, plus Why Aye Man had already been on the Auf Wiedersehn Pet show.
I doubt we'll get anything new this time.
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Also, there was basically no Youtube in 2002. YT is one reason for not playing new songs live, Guy said, before they are released. A bit contradictory, since he thought that YT live clips of them playing was good advertisement. But I guess a new album is sacred in a way.
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Also, there was basically no Youtube in 2002. YT is one reason for not playing new songs live, Guy said, before they are released. A bit contradictory, since he thought that YT live clips of them playing was good advertisement. But I guess a new album is sacred in a way.
I assume they shouldn't have to worry anymore about YT and videos since they've raised their stupid recording policy, should they ?
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I assume they shouldn't have to worry anymore about YT and videos since they've raised their stupid recording policy, should they ?
if it was respected, yes, but it's not the case is it? We can blame the fact that we won't hear a new song on this tour on the people who can't respect MK's wishes.....
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I assume they shouldn't have to worry anymore about YT and videos since they've raised their stupid recording policy, should they ?
if it was respected, yes, but it's not the case is it? We can blame the fact that we won't hear a new song on this tour on the people who can't respect MK's wishes.....
I think it is pretty much respected. If not, we would have dozen of multi-cam dvd's ...
I went to 5 shows on GL tour and as far as I remember, I didn't see anyone filming around me. Including myself :disbelief :(
Of course there are videos on YT, but not that many ... Not enough to really care about it.
Most of them are made by people who have no idea of MK's wishes, unlike ourselves. ;)
They just go to a rock'n'roll show and they want to take pics or record half a song with their iphone , like every people going to a concert.
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I didn't see that many either but type MK 2010 in youtube and you'll have loads of hits.
Personally I find it much more enjoyable to enjoy the show while I am there rather than enjoying it later on a small screen...
although to be perfectly honest, I do like to watch those youtubes clips, reminds me of the show...
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...although to be perfectly honest, I do like to watch those youtubes clips, reminds me of the show...
The Cordoba show is complete on YT! :)
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Well, if MK would release a live DVD of each tour, there'd be little use for video bootlegs. But perhaps we should not go there ;)
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Well, if MK would release a live DVD of each tour, there'd be little use for video bootlegs. But perhaps we should not go there ;)
My own personal grievance is that there was no video or recording from the BIA tour when the band were at their most popular and arguably best. Obviously Alchemy put the brakes on any idea there. If only they'd waited...
Madrid 2001 is another one that bugs me; now I regret MK is no longer capable of a performance anything near that so there is hardly any point in a new DVD/BD. I would prefer some old footage to be honest. :(
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Well, if MK would release a live DVD of each tour, there'd be little use for video bootlegs. But perhaps we should not go there ;)
My own personal grievance is that there was no video or recording from the BIA tour when the band were at their most popular and arguably best. Obviously Alchemy put the brakes on any idea there. If only they'd waited...
Madrid 2001 is another one that bugs me; now I regret MK is no longer capable of a performance anything near that so there is hardly any point in a new DVD/BD. I would prefer some old footage to be honest. :(
We do have the Wembley '85 and Sydney '86 videos, for which I am grateful!
The 2001 tour was not one of my favourites, for many reasons. In fact I have enjoyed all of MK's later performances much more than 2001, so I really am not hankering after Madrid. I would rather have had a GL DVD!
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The 2001 tour was not one of my favourites, for many reasons. In fact I have enjoyed all of MK's later performances much more than 2001, so I really am not hankering after Madrid. I would rather have had a GL DVD!
Exactly the same here! I also would have loved to have a proper DVD from the KTGC tour. It had a nice stage and I liked the setlist. But the 2010 tour
was even better. I hope they will do a DVD/BluRay next time, and I do not mean the Bob tour but the tour 2012! (Yes, I am confident! :))
LE
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Well, if MK would release a live DVD of each tour, there'd be little use for video bootlegs. But perhaps we should not go there ;)
Yeah, let
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Is it? ::)
LE
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Is it? ::) LE
yes
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Well, if MK would release a live DVD of each tour, there'd be little use for video bootlegs. But perhaps we should not go there ;)
Yeah, let
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Perhaps he will bring a lot of rarities as song openers and hopefully not the same
Song twice. Closers I do not know yes could not be too quiet and would have to be a little
rocking.
Romeo would be good fir this, but I doubt he would close with this:)
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That's something that we all know about "our" Mark: Sultans, Romeo, Telegraph Road, are songs that never would leave the central set list position... Which is a pity...
Last night, when I listened to The Ragpicker's Dream again after a while (highly recommendable to any Dylan fan who is willing to learn some of Mark's solo stuff), I came to the conclusion that I really would LOVE to hear "Fare Thee Well Northumberland" as opening song... and now, with the return of Jim Cox, I hope that Mark maybe takes another one from the RPD album and puts this song into the current set for the first time.
I tried to put myself into Mark's situation ( ;)), and I thought about a set list that would fit the honour of playing on the same stage as Bob. Maybe Mark remembers the old times when Bob asked him in LA and some Communiqu
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I dreamt I was at the gig last night. The set list was pretty much that. I met Mark after the show, or before, I can't remember, may have been somewhere else totally and asked him why his set lists are so similar from tour to tour... His reply made sense but I can't remember it! ;D
The The Ragpicker's Dream's songs have popped up in every tour, let's hope he brings one out this time too!
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RPD is one of my favourite albums and it would be great to hear some more of it played on this tour, like "Old Pigweed", "Fare Thee Well" and "You Don't Know You're Born" - then he'll have just about played the whole album live! :) I think it's one of MK's favourite albums too! :)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoCOpEdSwrU
I post this not so much because of the quality of the band or the voice or the song, but because of what he is doing during the last minute of this clip!
He indeed signs the harmonica (without obviously saying a word of course) of a 12-year-old boy. The story can be found here:
http://www.examiner.com/bob-dylan-in-national/interview-with-the-12-year-old-that-got-bob-dylan-s-autograph-at-the-ryman
Well, that is something I am sure MK will never do during a live show, from the stage. and I am sorry about that.
LE
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoCOpEdSwrU
I post this not so much because of the quality of the band or the voice or the song, but because of what he is doing during the last minute of this clip!
He indeed signs the harmonica (without obviously saying a word of course) of a 12-year-old boy. The story can be found here:
http://www.examiner.com/bob-dylan-in-national/interview-with-the-12-year-old-that-got-bob-dylan-s-autograph-at-the-ryman
Well, that is something I am sure MK will never do during a live show, from the stage. and I am sorry about that.
LE
Didn't Guy mention in one of his diaries a while back about some obnoxious fan hassling MK for an autograph all the way through the gig. MK them very deliberately gave a polite young kid an autograph from the stage at the end.
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If he did, I also forgot about that diary entry, too! :lol
I skipped through Guy's " FAQ page" the other day and i found the sentence A: We never give autographs from the stage but guitar pics and drumsticks often find their way out there.. Maybe I remembered that. Still it is very unlikely that MK will ever give autographs directly from the stage.
But to be fair, with Bob I think it is the same, otherwise this clip or the event in it would not have been such a "sensation" with interviewing the boy etc.
I for myself am not the autograph-hunter-guy, but I noticed that he changed his autograph-routine more and more during the last two tours.
LE
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I would actually like Mark to take a look at this tour as a chance to do something a little different to what has been played on the last few tours and will no doubt be played on the next full tour.Take the band out of their comfort zone,and maybe rock it up a bit.To this end I would like Marks set to end on a high with something of the ilk of solid rock get everyone up on their feet.Maybe lady writer,skateaway,tunnel of love etc rather than tr and rj which have been done to death on the last few tours.Treat this 6 week tour as a chance to be a bit less MK and reserved than usual and play 5.15am and postcards .Don't let us look back at the setlists in 6 months time and say what did they do different.
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I would actually like Mark to take a look at this tour as a chance to do something a little different to what has been played on the last few tours and will no doubt be played on the next full tour.Take the band out of their comfort zone,and maybe rock it up a bit.To this end I would like Marks set to end on a high with something of the ilk of solid rock get everyone up on their feet.Maybe lady writer,skateaway,tunnel of love etc rather than tr and rj which have been done to death on the last few tours.Treat this 6 week tour as a chance to be a bit less MK and reserved than usual and play 5.15am and postcards .Don't let us look back at the setlists in 6 months time and say what did they do different.
I completely agree, that this would be a great chance with the
spotlight not all on Mark, to leave his comfort zone.
Take a few risks. As he'll only be on stage for an hour, I'd rather him play
A bunch of 4-5 min songs, rather than only a few longer songs.
And definitely agree with rockers such as Lady Writer etc...
BUT....... I have the feeling that our man will play it safe once more,
with the usual suspects. ;)
I can't wait to find out.
Cheers. BBB
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Mark have done an unusual set during the Real Live Roadrunning tour with Emmylou Harris: Sultans of Swing not played, nice version of Why Worry... On Emmylou's songs, Mark was back on the stage, like a "simple" musician.
I think he can do something special with Bob Dylan. I hope a duet!
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I would actually like Mark to take a look at this tour as a chance to do something a little different to what has been played on the last few tours and will no doubt be played on the next full tour.Take the band out of their comfort zone,and maybe rock it up a bit.To this end I would like Marks set to end on a high with something of the ilk of solid rock get everyone up on their feet.Maybe lady writer,skateaway,tunnel of love etc rather than tr and rj which have been done to death on the last few tours.Treat this 6 week tour as a chance to be a bit less MK and reserved than usual and play 5.15am and postcards .Don't let us look back at the setlists in 6 months time and say what did they do different.
Very well said. I totally agree in every respect. I would also like to add that MK puts some energy back into his performances. Get some grease goin'! :lol
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I would actually like Mark to take a look at this tour as a chance to do something a little different to what has been played on the last few tours and will no doubt be played on the next full tour.Take the band out of their comfort zone,and maybe rock it up a bit.To this end I would like Marks set to end on a high with something of the ilk of solid rock get everyone up on their feet.Maybe lady writer,skateaway,tunnel of love etc rather than tr and rj which have been done to death on the last few tours.Treat this 6 week tour as a chance to be a bit less MK and reserved than usual and play 5.15am and postcards .Don't let us look back at the setlists in 6 months time and say what did they do different.
Very well said. I totally agree in every respect. I would also like to add that MK puts some energy back into his performances. Get some grease goin'! :lol
I never noticed the 2010 tour not being energetic! I loved it all. :)
I would like to hear 5.15am played too, but it's hardly a rocking song, neither is Postcards!
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I would actually like Mark to take a look at this tour as a chance to do something a little different to what has been played on the last few tours and will no doubt be played on the next full tour.Take the band out of their comfort zone,and maybe rock it up a bit.To this end I would like Marks set to end on a high with something of the ilk of solid rock get everyone up on their feet.Maybe lady writer,skateaway,tunnel of love etc rather than tr and rj which have been done to death on the last few tours.Treat this 6 week tour as a chance to be a bit less MK and reserved than usual and play 5.15am and postcards .Don't let us look back at the setlists in 6 months time and say what did they do different.
I also agree. That would be nice and a good opportunity to do so! Like pyroaction mentionned, the Road running tour was slightly different, so there's hope for this one!
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Forum question:
Guy, i believe this week is rehearselweek so good luck! Any chance, (without saying the names!!! ofcource!!!), if there are any surprises on the list? Let's say a new song or one from the old days who has not been played live in many years...... Hope i dont get a aghr.... Anyway good luck, have fun and see you in sold out Sportpaleis in Antwerp!!
Guy:
Yes
Sounds good? :D
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A typical Guy reply! ;D He could just have meant, that yes, this is rehearsal week or, being on the optimistic side, yes, a new song! :)
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A typical Guy reply! ;D He could just have meant, that yes, this is rehearsal week or, being on the optimistic side, yes, a new song! :)
Ah yes, maybe he ment it was rehearsel week... Grumpf :-X :-\
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he probably meant "yes, there is a chance, there is always a chance" ;D
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Another detailed and interesting response from Guy! ::) He probably meant yes, see you in Antwerp.
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or, yes, I like tea! ;D
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or, yes, I like tea! ;D
Interesting to see Guy's most detailed answer of the last few days is about tea. ::)
I wouldn't pay any attention to minor subjects such as setlists, tour, next release, rehearsals ...
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Interesting to see Guy's most detailed answer of the last few days is about tea. ::)
I wouldn't pay any attention to minor subjects such as setlists, tour, next release, rehearsals ...
well, tea is a fascinating subject and one he can speak freely about. Ask him anything about his work and you will get a detailed answer. When it's about Mark's, he's not in charge...Simple as that. We are spoiled to have him, yet, we always want more (and by "we" I mean "we", not just you tunnel)
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You know him so well, Mrs. President... ;D
In fact I was just about to write nearly the same post as Tunnel85: Guy's longest answer about tea. Funny guy.
I also liked the translated Portuguese answer lately. And the question was as rough and direct as we are used to hear them from all those folks from Brasil... Funny thing, how comes that every querie from over there is somewhat ... harsh? It can't only be a translation problem, or what do you think?
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;D, well, I AM the President, just doing my job ;D
I think it's a translation thing and also a cultural thing, Brazilians seem to have a more direct style than the Europeans or the Americans. Do we have any Brazilians on this forum who could enlighten us?
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I thought the dutch were the direct ones ;)
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NO, the Dutch are the LOUD ones, and the FRIENDLY ones, I know for sure, I have plenty of them in my book store every day...
And the Dutch people generally speak better English than almost all other Europeans I came across - apart from the English spoken people of course..
ahm... you get my point...
LE
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I think its something related to the latin character, and its something very difficult to control, specially for some people. It happens to people of some South american, Spain, Italy and probably other countries with latin roots. We are warm people, and speak very straight, direct to the point and sometimes using a vocabulary that can be considered as rude, but its not intended to be rude, an example:
You see a friend and you wave him like this: "Whats up, son of the b*tch?" And its not you are insulting him, is just like saying "what a great guy are you, whats new?" I know it sounds strange, but its true :)
As a spanish, I learnt how to control my manners when writing and talking in english, as its important to learn that english is generally speaking a more polite language, and generally, non latin people are more polite as well. Thats what happens with brasilians, for example, they go straight to the question and with manners that are considered as rude to the rest of the people, but sometimes is not rudeness, its just the way they talk. I see it in many questions sent by many spanish fans, some of them are asking in the direct way, putting them on risk of being rude, and some learnt how to write in a more polite way, thinking not in you as the "writer" but in the "readers" of your message.
Anyone understood anything I said? ;D
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YES! ;D :lol
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me too!
and it makes sense too!
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NO, the Dutch are the LOUD ones, and the FRIENDLY ones, I know for sure, I have plenty of them in my book store every day...
And the Dutch people generally speak better English than almost all other Europeans I came across - apart from the English spoken people of course..
ahm... you get my point...
LE
Ooohhhh LE, that is so sweet to say, THANK YOU! ;D
Quote jbaent: Anyone understood anything I said?
Yup I understand completely, thanks! ;)
Well talking about questions to Guy! I have been 3 times on little vacations this year and although I am still young...."Uuuhhhh according to my 2 adult sons I am old"...I had some bed problems! ........Ooohhh no people I am not talking about that kind of problems, but about my back and legs! (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v510/Fieneke2/Emoticons/Roflbig.gif)
One morning when I got out of bed, I thought what about Mark, Guy and the rest of the band members who have to sleep for 3 months or more in different beds on different mattresses during a Tour! Especial last year when Mark had his back problems I can imagine he needed a good mattress to sleep on! ....For the not English people, I am talking about a mattress and not mistress!! (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v510/Fieneke2/Emoticons/Grinning.gif) I wonder if they have special mattresses in their trucks or do they order the hotel to have a special hard, medium or soft mattress in their beds?
Well what do you think? I would like to know, ........but can I ask Guy? (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v510/Fieneke2/Emoticons/Grinsmiley.gif)
Fieneke
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I think its something related to the latin character, and its something very difficult to control, specially for some people. It happens to people of some South american, Spain, Italy and probably other countries with latin roots. We are warm people, and speak very straight, direct to the point and sometimes using a vocabulary that can be considered as rude, but its not intended to be rude, an example:
You see a friend and you wave him like this: "Whats up, son of the b*tch?" And its not you are insulting him, is just like saying "what a great guy are you, whats new?" I know it sounds strange, but its true :)
As a spanish, I learnt how to control my manners when writing and talking in english, as its important to learn that english is generally speaking a more polite language, and generally, non latin people are more polite as well. Thats what happens with brasilians, for example, they go straight to the question and with manners that are considered as rude to the rest of the people, but sometimes is not rudeness, its just the way they talk. I see it in many questions sent by many spanish fans, some of them are asking in the direct way, putting them on risk of being rude, and some learnt how to write in a more polite way, thinking not in you as the "writer" but in the "readers" of your message.
Anyone understood anything I said? ;D
Yes, I got it alright. Same here in Greece. Malakas is the most common word among youngsters and the ones that refuse to grow. I guess you all know this word no need to translate. It can be used effectively meaning friend or replacing the other person's name or as a swearing. It is all in the tone and situation.
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NO, the Dutch are the LOUD ones, and the FRIENDLY ones, I know for sure, I have plenty of them in my book store every day...
And the Dutch people generally speak better English than almost all other Europeans I came across - apart from the English spoken people of course..
ahm... you get my point...
LE
LE i didn't know that you worked in a bookshop. That you actually own one. I have been working in bookshops and publishers for the last 15 years. How are things over there? Here we are going from bad to worse but it is the crisis that inflicts the most painful blows.
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Oh no, just working, not owning... I was lazy about exact describing obviously. Only a small store, 250 qm, no chain, independently owned. Not much to complain, but that's what this line of business does the best, complaining. There's obviously a lot of competition from online stores and e-books and all those other things (young) people do in their lazy time instead of reading, but a book is a perfect gift above all it seems, who cares if it ever will be read by anyone. Only last week we learned about the sale figures of the complete e-book-domain until now and it turned out that it was less then half of the sale volume that only one book, the (in)famous and controversial book of Mr. Sarrazin did in Germany last year (please spare me from exlaining what that was about) - so there's much ado about nothing at the mo. But if Germany will ever loose the privilege of fixed book price, things will get worse I am sure. But we are positioned well.
I still love my job after 15 years now and I am always astonished when I see how often all those planned and exactly laid down PR campagnes doesn't work and other books get up the bestselling lists only because the writer was at the TV and there was nothing on on the other 51 channels so everybody seemed to have seen him or her there.. :lol And there is still a thrill in the air for me when my favourite writers have released new stuff and I have the privilege to read it months before release date... (Robert Harris has a new one out, in Germany we will have it in November, about some money market mechanisms, and I love Joshua Ferris for example, hope there will be a new one from him soon...)
Dreaming of selling the biography of MK one day though, "Memory Lane", 1000 pages with lots of new unreleased pics and a bonus DVD inside the first signed edition... ;)
And, to get on topic again, with a foreword of Bob Dylan of course...
LE
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Oh no, just working, not owning... I was lazy about exact describing obviously. Only a small store, 250 qm, no chain, independently owned. Not much to complain, but that's what this line of business does the best, complaining. There's obviously a lot of competition from online stores and e-books and all those other things (young) people do in their lazy time instead of reading, but a book is a perfect gift above all it seems, who cares if it ever will be read by anyone. Only last week we learned about the sale figures of the complete e-book-domain until now and it turned out that it was less then half of the sale volume that only one book, the (in)famous and controversial book of Mr. Sarrazin did in Germany last year (please spare me from exlaining what that was about) - so there's much ado about nothing at the mo. But if Germany will ever loose the privilege of fixed book price, things will get worse I am sure. But we are positioned well.
I still love my job after 15 years now and I am always astonished when I see how often all those planned and exactly laid down PR campagnes doesn't work and other books get up the bestselling lists only because the writer was at the TV and there was nothing on on the other 51 channels so everybody seemed to have seen him or her there.. :lol And there is still a thrill in the air for me when my favourite writers have released new stuff and I have the privilege to read it months before release date... (Robert Harris has a new one out, in Germany we will have it in November, about some money market mechanisms, and I love Joshua Ferris for example, hope there will be a new one from him soon...)
Dreaming of selling the biography of MK one day though, "Memory Lane", 1000 pages with lots of new unreleased pics and a bonus DVD inside the first signed edition... ;)
And, to get on topic again, with a foreword of Bob Dylan of course...
LE
Nicely said in two paragraphs. Maybe we will get the chance to discuss about it somewhere else. A new topic maybe.
By the way have your store tried selling through special sites such as Alibris or Abebooks or Amazon?
Cheers.