A Mark In Time
Previous Tours => 2011 Mark Knopfler & Bob Dylan Tour => Topic started by: peterromer on October 24, 2011, 08:27:50 AM
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Hi
I was not aware of this, sorry if its in another post. ???
http://www.bobdylan.com/tour if you click on "setlist" you get a new web page where you can click on "buy" each song. If you do that it says the page cannot be found, but at least it shows that they probably will make it ready later. Why else bother with shop list for all the setlists....
It would be great, as we can buy at least Knopfler on some of the Dylan tracks.
cheers peter
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Or maybe they sell just studio versions of these songs.
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The layout certainly indicates something else in my opinion.
Paris for example... any of them, tells the name of show, and you can click if you were there.
Oct 17, 2011 Paris, France
Palais Omnisports de Paris-Bercy
Average: 0
Set List
Leopard-Skin Pill-Box Hat
It's All Over Now, Baby Blue
Things Have Changed
Tangled Up In Blue
Honest With Me
Spirit On The Water
Summer Days
Desolation Row
Highway 61 Revisited
Blind Willie McTell
Thunder On The Mountain
Ballad Of A Thin Man
All Along The Watchtower
Like A Rolling Stone
Also if it were studio versions, the links to buy them could be arrangend from the start I guess. There is not any emailadress on Dylan website to ask unfortunately.
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reply on ER forum:
pottel wrote:
when you click on the setlist atbobdylancom you can supoposedly "buy" the songs? would thatbe live recordngs????????????????????????? (click on the buy button leads to a "oops page not found" but still.)
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No it's a link to buy the studio version. Too bad
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Imagine the poor guy buying all versions of AATW since beginning of NET :o :P
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lol...especially as they are virtually all out there, recorded by fans....
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Imagine the poor guy buying all versions of AATW since beginning of NET :o :P
sounds like something Pottel would do
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Imagine the poor guy buying all versions of AATW since beginning of NET :o :P
sounds like something Pottel would do
Maybe he actually did ;)
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close to it, why? :-)
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Imagine the poor guy buying all versions of AATW since beginning of NET :o :P
sounds like something Pottel would do
Maybe he actually did ;)
close to it, why? :-)
It is a nice little issue to debate upon isn't it? I mean that if there is a physical thing to buy, I would gladly give any money, but buying the recordings of each and every live show as downloads, even in reduced prices is something completely beyond me. I won't stand on the legal implications ( the Smify recordings were a good subject) not even on the moral grounds (when it comes to economic matters morals and law are walking hand in hand) but on practical issues such as the actual response from fans that will be disappointed if the simple-free joy of such live recordings become a new way to make more money. I understand that these are their songs and performances, but it is like taxing the same product over and over again. But I guess that stands for the whole corporate music business.
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Technology allow today to record every show and sell them at affordable price.
You have to think for the general public not only your fan base.
What a chance for a simple single concert goer to be able to get the show you attended in sbd quality.
The die hard fans are another matter.
In 2010 fan made recording and their private sharing were still allowed by MK management.
Restriction are the fact of some sharing site (for their legal safety).
If only Simfy had existed as early than 1977...
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When Bob Dylan's own website started, it was actually run by someone who had connections with Grateful Dead fans and, for a number of years, individual songs appeared, mostly live recordings by Dylan ("field" recordings for the most part) but also other recordings including cover versions. They were available free of charge to hear but (officially) not to download. Needless to say, some folks found ways round the copy protection system and copies were circulated privately on disc amongst friends. Inevitably, these recordings drifted into the hands of bootleggers with, as I understand it (I'm not much of a bootleg collector), equally inevitable results. I can't imagine that this went down well with Dylan or his people and the arrangement ceased, around the time that Sony took over the website, as I recall.
Generally, the posted tracks were taken off the website after a period of time, some of which then reappeared at a later date.
For those who can be bothered to read further, here's a list of those recordings, taken from the wonderful Searching For A Gem website:
Exclusive Tracks which have been featured on the Columbia Internet Web site
All performances live unless otherwise stated.
Audience recordings are indicated by (A).
The date in the headings indicates when the recording was first posted on the Dylan website
Dec 1997:
BDC0 Big Yellow Taxi (Joni Mitchell) - from the 1973 Columbia album Dylan This was only noted some time after it appeared; hence the "BCD0" numbering
BDC1 I'm Not There (1956) - unreleased track from the Basement Tapes, 1967, now released on the original soundtrack of the Todd Haynes film I'm Not There
BDC2 Blind Willie McTell - Jones Beach, NY, 17 Aug 1997 (A)
BDC3 Visions Of Johanna - Historic Orpheum Theater, Minneapolis, MN, 3 Sep 1992
BDC4 Mr. Tambourine Man - Wolftrap, Vienna, VA, 23 Aug 1997 (A)
Jan 1998:
BDC5 Lay Down Your Weary Tune - Carnegie Hall, New York City, 26 Oct 1963 (stereo version), from the cancelled 1964 album Bob Dylan In Concert (R-0370, see 1964)
Thanks to Nick Ralph for pointing out all these 1963 tracks are from acetates, with clicks, etc.
BDC6 John Brown - Town Hall, New York City, 12 Apr 1963 (stereo version), again from the cancelled 1964 album Bob Dylan In Concert
BDC7 Cold Irons Bound - El Rey Theater, Los Angeles, 16 Dec 1997 (A) (R-0267, see 1998) - now also available on the 2001 Japanese live compilation Bob Dylan Live 1961-2000: Thirty Nine Years Of Great Concert Performances
BDC8 You're A Big Girl Now - El Rey Theater, Los Angeles, 17 Dec 1997 (A)
BDC9 I'm Your Teenage Prayer - unreleased track from the Basement Tapes, 1967
BDC10 Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window? - early version released in 1965 as Positively 4th Street by mistake
BDC11 Percy's Song - Carnegie Hall, New York City, 26 Oct 1963 (stereo version), third song from the cancelled 1964 album Bob Dylan In Concert
BDC12 The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll - El Rey Theater, Los Angeles, 16 Dec 1997 (A)
Feb 1998:
BDC13 Seven Curses - Carnegie Hall, New York City, 26 Oct 1963 (stereo version), fourth song from the cancelled 1964 album Bob Dylan In Concert (R-0376, see 1964)
Thanks to Nick Ralph for pointing out that this performance is slightly cut.
BDC14 'Til I Fell In Love With You - El Rey Theater, Los Angeles, 16 Dec 1997 (A)
BDC15 Idiot Wind - Historic Orpheum Theater, Minneapolis, MN, 30 Aug 1992
BDC16 Tight Connection To My Heart - Supper Club, New York City, 17 Nov 1993, second show, from a shelved TV special/video/live album project recorded by Bob in association with HBO
BDC17 Weeping Willow (traditional) - Supper Club, New York City, 17 Nov 1993, second show, again from the shelved TV special/video/ live album project
Mar 1998:
BDC18 Love Sick - Grammy Awards, Radio City Music Hall, New York City, 28 Feb 1998
BDC19 Girl Of The North Country - Madison Square Garden, New York City, 20 Jan 1998 (A)
Apr 1998:
BDC20 The Man In Me - Landmark Theater, Syracuse, NY, 28 Jan 1998 (A)
BDC21 Born In Time - New Jersey Center for the Performing Arts, Newark, NJ, 1 Feb 1998 (A) now also available on the 2001 Japanese live compilation Bob Dylan Live 1961-2000: Thirty Nine Years Of Great Concert Performances
BDC22 Tears Of Rage (Bob Dylan-Richard Manuel) - Madison Square Garden, New York City, 17 Jan 1998 (A)
May 1998:
BDC23 Delia (traditional) - Supper Club, New York City, 17 Nov 1993, second show, third song from the shelved TV special/video/ live album project
BDC24 Baby Let Me Follow You Down (Rev Gary Davies, arr. Eric von Schmidt) - with The Hawks, Free Trade Hall, Manchester, England, 17 May 1966 (now on Bootleg Series Vol. 4: Live 1966 - The "Royal Albert Hall" Concert)
BDC25 The Lonesome River (Ralph & Carter Stanley) - Ralph Stanley and Bob Dylan, from the Ralph Stanley album Clinch Mountain Country
Jun 1998:
BDC26 Make You Feel My Love - Pauley Pavilion, UCLA, Los Angeles, CA, 21 May 1998 (A) (released on Things Have Changed singles)
BDC27 I'm Not Supposed To Care (Gordon Lightfoot) - The Pond, Anaheim, CA, 23 May 1998 (A)
BDC28 Shelter From The Storm - Roseland, New York City, 19 Oct 1994
BDC29 Boots Of Spanish Leather - Glasgow, Scotland, 21 Jun 1998 (A)
Aug 1998:
BDC30 Mama, You Been On My Mind - Brussels, Belgium, 17 Jun 1998 (A)
BDC31 Se
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Oct 2002:
BDC85 Mutineer (Warren Zevon) - Greek Theater, University of California, Berkeley, CA, 11 Oct 2002 (A)
BDC86 Floater (Too Much To Ask) - Greek Theater, University of California, Berkeley, CA, 11 Oct 2002 (A)
Nov 2002:
BDC87 The End Of The Innocence (Bruce Hornsby/Don Henley) - Wiltern Theater, Los Angeles, CA, 15 Oct 2002 (A)
BDC88 Tell Me That It Isn't True - Wiltern Theater, Los Angeles, CA, 15 Oct 2002 (A)
BDC89 Yea! Heavy And A Bottle of Bread - Madison Square Garden, New York City, 11 Nov 2002 (A)
BDC90 Something (George Harrison) - Madison Square Garden, New York City, 13 Nov 2002 (A)
BDC91 You Ain't Goin' Nowhere - Madison Square Garden, New York City, 13 Nov 2002 (A)
Mar 2003:
BDC92 Gates Of Eden - performed by Irish singer Marc Carroll, from his Evangeline EP Crashpad Number
BDC93 Seven Days - performed by New York Zydeco band Loup Garou, from their Great Big Island album Dobb's Ferry
Mar 2004:
BDC94 It's All Over Now, Baby Blue - live, Vic Theatre, Chicago, IL, 7 Mar 2004 (A)
BDC95 Moonlight - live, Vic Theatre, Chicago, IL, 7 Mar 2004 (A)
BDC96 It Ain't Me, Babe - live, Kool Haus, Toronto, Ontario, Canada, 21 Mar 2004 (A)
BDC97 Down Along The Cove - live, the Pageant, St. Louis, MO, 2 Mar 2004 (A)
Apr 2004:
BDC41 Little Moses (Bert A. Williams-Earl C. Jones) - Historic Orpheum Theater, Minneapolis, MN, 2 Sep 1992 (repeated from Dec 1998)
BDC98 Hazel - 9:30 Club, Washington, DC, 2 April 2004 (A)
BDC99 Most Likely You Go Your Way (And I'll Go Mine) - 9:30 Club, Washington, DC, 2 April 2004 (A)
BDC100 Tryin' To Get To Heaven - Warner Theater, Washington, DC, 4 April 2004 (A)
BDC101 Simple Twist Of Fate - cover by Jerry Garcia from his 6CD boxed set All Good Things: Jerry Garcia Studio Sessions
Also, thanks to Ian Woodward for the information that Ball And Biscuit, the duet with Jack White of the White Stripes song performed in Detroit, MI, 17 Mar 2004, has appeared on the official White Stripes web-site: .
Jun 2004:
BDC102 Samson And Delilah (Traditional, arr. Rev. Gary Davies) - Bonnaroo 2004 Music Festival, Manchester, TN, 11 Jun 2004 (A)
BDC103 Sing Me Back Home (Merle Haggard) - Bonnaroo 2004 Music Festival, Manchester, TN, 11 Jun 2004 (A)
BDC104 Pancho And Lefty (Townes van Zandt) - Bonnaroo 2004 Music Festival, Manchester, TN, 11 Jun 2004 (A)
BDC105 You Win Again (Hanks Williams) - Bonnaroo 2004 Music Festival, Manchester, TN, 11 Jun 2004 (A)
May 2005:
BDC106 I Dreamed I Saw St. Augustine - Orpheum Theatre, Boston, MA, 17 Apr 2005 (A)
BDC107 I Believe In You - Orpheum Theatre, Boston, MA, 17 Apr 2005 (A)
BDC 108 Visions of Johanna - Beacon Theatre, New York City, NY, 25 Apr 2005 (A)
BDC 109 High Water (for Charley Patton) - Beacon Theatre, New York City, NY, 25 Apr 2005 (A)
BDC 110 Shooting Star - Beacon Theatre, New York City, NY, 26 Apr 2005 (A)
BDC 111 Under The Red Sky - Beacon Theatre, New York City, NY, 26 Apr 2005 (A)[/color]
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Sorry to bore you all with the above, rather extensive list but it seemed worthwhile to demonstrate that Dylan is not opposed to making live performances available - only that he is opposed to bootleggers making money off of his work.
My own contribution to the above was to be speaking by telephone to the guy who used to organise all this. He mentioned that he had received the tapes of the four 1993 Supper Club performances and asked me which track I would select for the website. Having attended all four shows, I immediately responded by saying "Weeping Willow", it being the only time Dylan had ever performed the song. Not long afterwards, there it was!
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...and the award for longest post ever goes to... :)
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Whaauww what a list twm! ;D
I read and see that you know a lot about Bob Dylan, so that is why I like to ask you a question.
I have a friend who started in 1998 with another friend the acoustic-based, psychedelic pop duo StrangeCloud. They started with the 2 of them, but later other musicians were added. Because they played very well, they were invited as special artists to perform at Bob Dylan
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Yeah Pottel, its the studio versions. Why the he.. does it not say so. So stupid.
The official reply is here:
"Hi Peter,
I understand that you wish to purchase the tracks from our website. The tracks available for purchase are the studio tracks, these are not the live concert tracks. Unfortunately, these tracks are not available for purchase in your country from our website. Also, at this point of time we do not have information regarding any future availability of the concert tracks. Please visit the website periodically to view more information regarding the availability of the tracks."
Sincerely,
Sony Music Digital
C1E4
Cody
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I recall that back in 1998/1999 many Dylan bootlegs were soundboard. I attented a concert in Valencia and I have that concert from a soundboard recording, and most of that tour concerts were available as a soundboard bootleg...
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Thank you for taking the time to reply. I have not reached to any conclusions, trying to work out all the perspectives and for that I do appreciate the feedback. It is true that I lean towards a certain logic of things, but I do see the way reality works and try to balance both. Thank you!
"Technology allow today to record every show and sell them at affordable price. "
True, but quality recording is a thing that demands equipment and of course a careful planning. It costs money to record live shows and then discard them as no good. Affordable prices is a term I can't understand. If a fan desires everything by an artist and the artist has 120 shows every year, like BD, it is not very economic or affordable. But this can be over seen as a fetish thing (owning everything from an artist, or is it?) But it is the quality and planning that have to go into the equation. Would you BD fan pay 1200 dollars to own every concert BD has given since 1990? (and that is a dollar a show...)
"You have to think for the general public not only your fan base."
The general public would only care for one show, well recorded and with a nice artwork maybe, not every last one from the far end of the earth, with poor sound and repetition of the same tracks. So it is a peculiar thing, because many people might download an unofficial live recording that is for free, but will not dedicate the amount of time to even listen to it. But when they pay money for a well cared recording (let's not call it product) they do spend time to listen it over and over. But flooding the market with easy to produce live recordings, clearly points to the fan's direction.
"What a chance for a simple single concert goer to be able to get the show you attended in sbd quality."
This is a completely different situation. We are talking about a souvenir, but it has to be in a physical form! But it has to be produced in a vast number to cover expenses. And we are talking big venues then, 5000-10000 thousand people. Maybe even include it in a special ticket price and have it sent to you. A download is a welcome substitute, and that maybe can appeal to a general public.
"The die hard fans are another matter."
True they are. They pay for the official releases at the expensive prices at the time of release (not 6 months or 1 year after at the bargain bins, with a quarter of the original price), sometimes multiple times since the editions are many (Get lucky had 4 different releases), pay to download extra tracks that usually never enter the radar of the general public and pay for usually over priced merchandise, without complaining. How much is enough?
"In 2010 fan made recording and their private sharing were still allowed by MK management.
Restriction are the fact of some sharing site (for their legal safety)."
And there enters the pseudo moral issues together with the legal system, in order to defend the hollow logic of the whole matter.
"If only Simfy had existed as early than 1977... "
No, I think that some things gain their appeal from the scarcity, from the nicely weaved myths that actually have to support nothing, but the myths themselves. It is only music, after all. That is why I especially respect MK, for not putting out editions with extras from the DS days. If they were not considered good enough then, it would only be a stunt to attract the same old fan - customers, with music interesting for historical reasons only. And I believe the same goes for the live performances. Unless they are programmed to be recorded like alchemy, they have many too many flaws that may be unnoticeable for the live experience, but can't sustain repeated plays. Well maybe only to the devoted fan.
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...and the award for longest post ever goes to... :)
my ticket lists were longer dmg...
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I claim no credit for the length of the post(s), as I took everything printed in red from the "Searching For A Gem" website, put together by Alan Fraser, a contact of mine. I merely removed all the cross-referencing to other pages on his website and a few of the comments about what sources were right and wrong over the years, put the album titles in bold and then topped and tailed the whole thing.
As for the "Million Dollar Bash" in Minneapolis in May 2001, I'm afraid I cannot recall much about this. I'd be surprised if it wasn't recorded but I have not heard of such a recording. Sorry.
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My view on it is quite simple : I go to see Mark, I like the show and I want to keep a souvenir form that performance
For 15
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I claim no credit for the length of the post(s), as I took everything printed in red from the "Searching For A Gem" website, put together by Alan Fraser, a contact of mine. I merely removed all the cross-referencing to other pages on his website and a few of the comments about what sources were right and wrong over the years, put the album titles in bold and then topped and tailed the whole thing.
As for the "Million Dollar Bash" in Minneapolis in May 2001, I'm afraid I cannot recall much about this. I'd be surprised if it wasn't recorded but I have not heard of such a recording. Sorry.
i for one do not have that show (funnily enough i only even have 2 shows for may 2001...)
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I claim no credit for the length of the post(s), as I took everything printed in red from the "Searching For A Gem" website, put together by Alan Fraser, a contact of mine. I merely removed all the cross-referencing to other pages on his website and a few of the comments about what sources were right and wrong over the years, put the album titles in bold and then topped and tailed the whole thing.
As for the "Million Dollar Bash" in Minneapolis in May 2001, I'm afraid I cannot recall much about this. I'd be surprised if it wasn't recorded but I have not heard of such a recording. Sorry.
i for one do not have that show (funnily enough i only even have 2 shows for may 2001...)
You have thousands of recordings and only two shows from may 2001 ???? Most of us here have a few dozens from may 2001 !
here is the setlist - Don't see any track of "million dollar bash".
"Money for nothing", is that what you mean ?
Minneapolis May 7, 2001
Calling Elvis
Walk of life
Who's your baby now
R
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Tunnel 85, they are talking about BD associated recordings, not MK. But that would be a nice kick in the teeth if it was for Pottel. But it wasn't even Pottel's claim but TWm's.
You'll have your chance though sometime... ;D
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Tunnel 85, they are talking about BD associated recordings, not MK. But that would be a nice kick in the teeth if it was for Pottel. But it wasn't even Pottel's claim but TWm's.
You'll have your chance though sometime... ;D
You missed the last line of my post saying I couldn't resist (of course to joke about Pottel's huge collection and MK/BD mix ;) )
Let's say it was a private joke ;D
A nice kick in the teeth ? Are you serious ? ::)
We should all feel ashamed if we have a recording he doesn't have. Or don't feel ashamed if it's only a question of editing time (another private joke ;) ) Guess who made our day yesterday ( and so many other times) ? ;D
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;D Do you see the teeth at the face laughing out loud? ;D A weird, I admit, way to say that he would quit laughing.
Anyway, I can only be grateful to Pottel, for time and resources, but I would tease him with a hard to find recording, just to see his reaction. How about a recording from Athens 2008. Lousy sound but the whole concert. ;)
And sadly, in order to make my day, I aim for real life, a recording is just a curio for me. Does this make me a lesser fan? :'(
And I thought that the moto here in AMIT was :"To share and to Pottel" :-\
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;D Do you see the teeth at the face laughing out loud? ;D A weird, I admit, way to say that he would quit laughing.
Anyway, I can only be grateful to Pottel, for time and resources, but I would tease him with a hard to find recording, just to see his reaction. How about a recording from Athens 2008. Lousy sound but the whole concert. ;)
And sadly, in order to make my day, I aim for real life, a recording is just a curio for me. Does this make me a lesser fan? :'(
And I thought that the moto here in AMIT was :"To share and to Pottel" :-\
Real life, that's another sad story ... :'(
I was pretty upset these last days and his recordings have enlightened my days.
Nothing more, nothing less. :)
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thnx guys....you can stop it now, and vg, pls do upload Athens :-)
or johannsesburg 2005 if you have it :-)
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Pottel is alright. I can confirm! ;D
LE
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Thank you guys for your respond to my question about the recording of Bob's 60th Birthday Party in Minneapolis! :-*
I have been asking people in the past, but now with so many fans who know and have much information about Bob
as well, I thought I'll try again! ;) ......Well I will keep searching and in case one of you ever know something, then please
let me know. You know where you can find me!
About Pottel......I had the pleasure to meet him a few times and yeahhhh he is one of the imporant people of AMIT
because he knows so much! ;)
Fieneke
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oh pls fieneke, stop, you'Re making me blush now.
we're all important on here, unlike on some other official forums...
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Fineke, check this out. Look at the May dates. I don't have a clue, and unfortunately little time to figure it out.
http://www.searchingforagem.com/online.htm