A Mark In Time

Previous Tours => 2011 Mark Knopfler & Bob Dylan Tour => Topic started by: xxFordiexx on November 14, 2011, 09:10:01 PM

Title: Seriously amazing version on Brothers In Arms 12/11/11
Post by: xxFordiexx on November 14, 2011, 09:10:01 PM
Wow, I really can't believe how awesome Mark is playing on this tour. It seems that the sit down on the last tour has breathed new life into his performance for this tour. He is seriously amazing live this year. Listen to this version of Brothers In Arms. One of the best ever!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZzFYaHHbs4
Title: Re: Seriously amazing version on Brothers In Arms 12/11/11
Post by: ds1984 on November 14, 2011, 09:50:54 PM
Another source and without audience chat:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-DSKXVKo3A&feature=related
Title: Re: Seriously amazing version on Brothers In Arms 12/11/11
Post by: Jackal on November 14, 2011, 10:07:51 PM
The song is OK. But he really does play with a lot more confidence now, which is great.

I'm sick of the cittern sound though. For me it is starting to sound like this:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71iUAFFQ8ik
Title: Re: Seriously amazing version on Brothers In Arms 12/11/11
Post by: Pottel on November 14, 2011, 11:51:46 PM
brilliant song fletch, always loved these dramatical tunes. pretty talented. and no, i am serious ;-)
Title: Re: Seriously amazing version on Brothers In Arms 12/11/11
Post by: ds1984 on November 14, 2011, 11:56:55 PM
brilliant song fletch,

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Title: Re: Seriously amazing version on Brothers In Arms 12/11/11
Post by: twm on November 15, 2011, 01:43:08 AM
Sick of the cittern sound? Surely not. I really look forward to the "duelling citterns" section. Maybe that's overstating it but how often you have seen or heard two citterns on stage playing together before? I suspect not at all. 

Although the instrument has a basic pedigree dating back many centuries (some say it is based on the Portuguese guitar, itself derived from an instrument imported from Britain several centuries ago), what you see on stage is a modern cittern.

I am no expert on musical instruments but one of the first people I saw play one was Jez Lowe who I have met a few times. He first told me about the instrument's more recent history. The other musician I can recall playing one was Larry Campbell, I think.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jez_Lowe
http://www.jezlowe.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Campbell_(musician)
http://members.cox.net/larrycampbell2000/

Anyway, I enjoy hearing the cittern being played - and being played so well and also in quite an unusual manner for an instrument mainly developed with folk musicians in mind.
Title: Re: Seriously amazing version on Brothers In Arms 12/11/11
Post by: Jackal on November 15, 2011, 05:39:41 AM
Don't get me wrong. I don't mind some cittern used as ornamentation. Or in a folk (celtic especially) setting where it blends in well. But in a lot of Mark's music, the cittern takes on this high-ringing-sparkling-piercing character which makes it stand out too much. Then when you have songs such as Telegraph Road with a lot of instruments kind of blending into each other and get the cittern playing a repetitive "pling-pling / pling-pling-pling" riff on top of that, it gets on my nerves. Badly. Almost as irritating as the harpsichord.
Title: Re: Seriously amazing version on Brothers In Arms 12/11/11
Post by: Love Expresso on November 15, 2011, 07:53:48 AM
They put a nice McGoldrick-cittern-rhythm-sound on "Cleaning My Gun" this time which I like very much - gives the song some new dynamics. Also those two citterns on Hill Farmer's Blues sound great. But as Jackal put it, I also can't get used to the sound of it on Brothers In Arms - but the whole song is not on my menu anymore... I just can't hear it anymore... (I was so happy not to have to hear it in Hannover and having Haul Away AND Donegan's Gone instead of it.) It is a great song of course, historic, and there have been soooo many great and timeless versions, but the last time I enjoyed it must have been 2008.

But I agree that on this version he puts some new and unusual sounds and riffs to it, very interesting. So he indeed seems to be having "the best time along this trip"...

LE
Title: Re: Seriously amazing version on Brothers In Arms 12/11/11
Post by: superval99 on November 15, 2011, 09:35:52 AM
Very nice version and I loved the cittern!   ;D
Title: Re: Seriously amazing version on Brothers In Arms 12/11/11
Post by: twm on November 15, 2011, 09:49:37 AM
Actually, I have to thank you for raising the cittern issue.  We recently moved house and have still not got everything sorted out, so a few things have passed us by. Putting the Jez Lowe webpage up on this site made realise that he's playing a place about 20 miles (30 KM) from us on Friday, along with his group, The Bad Pennies. We will have to adjust our programme but may well go on Friday evening, then off to London for the three Dylan and Knopfler shows. Thanks again.
Title: Re: Seriously amazing version on Brothers In Arms 12/11/11
Post by: Jackal on November 15, 2011, 10:08:51 AM
The pleasure is all mine.
Title: Re: Seriously amazing version on Brothers In Arms 12/11/11
Post by: Maxx on November 20, 2011, 09:30:11 PM
The old songs really need some extra effort from Mark to sound great nowadays, like in this version. I guess it's rather boring for him to play that, but when he puts his heart and soul in the song it does stand up nicely to the old versions.
Title: Re: Seriously amazing version on Brothers In Arms 12/11/11
Post by: ds1984 on November 20, 2011, 11:31:37 PM
The old songs really need some extra effort from Mark to sound great nowadays, like in this version. I guess it's rather boring for him to play that, but when he puts his heart and soul in the song it does stand up nicely to the old versions.

If Mark is bored he don't play it. BIA did have its "fridge time" in 2001
Title: Re: Seriously amazing version on Brothers In Arms 12/11/11
Post by: dmg on November 20, 2011, 11:47:33 PM
If you listen to the solo since about midway through the tour to the end it's almost identical every night which is quite poor IMO.  There is surely some improvisation he can think of; a lack of imagination in that area is not something you can usually accuse MK of having.
Title: Re: Seriously amazing version on Brothers In Arms 12/11/11
Post by: sweetsurrender on November 21, 2011, 03:28:16 AM
Another source and without audience chat:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-DSKXVKo3A&feature=related


send shivers up and down my spine and almost made me cry. :'(
Title: Re: Seriously amazing version on Brothers In Arms 12/11/11
Post by: vgonis on November 21, 2011, 09:15:30 PM
Another source and without audience chat:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-DSKXVKo3A&feature=related


send shivers up and down my spine and almost made me cry. :'(

This one sends shivers down my spine, but for quite the opposite reasons. Did you know about this?
http://youtu.be/bsKREdCoezg
Title: Re: Seriously amazing version on Brothers In Arms 12/11/11
Post by: Dutchessy on November 21, 2011, 11:48:40 PM
Yes, I knew it. Quite nice if you listen more often ;)
Title: Re: Seriously amazing version on Brothers In Arms 12/11/11
Post by: tunnel85 on November 22, 2011, 10:03:00 AM
Here is another one.  ;)
Sorry for the picture quality (no HD) and frame size.  :-[
Anyway it's only a YT clip.    :P
I will have it better as soon as can fix my camera HD output.
May take some time though since the tour has emptied my pockets...
When is Christmas ? January ? February ?   ::) ;)
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecjuUpHTYjk