A Mark In Time
Previous Tours => 2012 Mark Knopfler & Bob Dylan Tour => Topic started by: jbaent on October 03, 2012, 09:54:53 PM
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Just two days to go!
C#01 MTS Centre, Winnipeg, Canada http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=265
http://expectingrain.com/discussions/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=71912
AMIT attendees:-
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Set Lists - from "Sphere" @ ER
It would be nice/appreciated if future ER attendees could do an MK set list as well, just to show your support for Bob's invitation to Mark to tour with him again....
Mark Knopfler
1. What It Is
2. Corned Beef City
3. Yon Two Crows
4. Privateering
5. Redbud Tree
6. I Used to Could
7. Song for Sonny Liston
8. Daddy
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Got to remember they're 6 hours behind GMT, so the concert will actually take place on Saturday (for us in Europe)! ;) By this I mean we won't hear about it until later that day.
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I was searching to add a clock here with the time there and in central Europe, but I
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Here's a good site you can just put in a city and it give you the time:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=265
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Quoted from ER forum:
Bob Dylan and His Band
Show 54 of the 2012 Never Ending Tour
Winnipeg, Manitoba
MTS Centre
5 October 2012, Friday
Capacity: 16,345
Showtime: 7:30 PM
Ticket Prices: $133.00 CA, $102.25 CA, $77.75 CA, $51.00 CA
With Mark Knopfler
Previous shows for 2012:
16 Latin American shows + 15 Euro shows + 22 North American summer shows + 0 North American autumn stadium shows (this is the opener)
Winnipeg, Manitoba = 54th show in 2012
From: http://www.winnipegsun.com/2012/07/18/dylan-touring-western-canada
Winnipeg, Manitoba, CANADA - Bob Dylan is stirring up a Tempest in the West this fall. The folk-rock legend has announced his latest round of tour dates, and his schedule includes stops in six western cities in early October.
The 71-year-old singer-songwriter will begin his Canadian trek Oct. 5 in Winnipeg and wrap up a week later in Vancouver, with stops in Regina, Saskatoon, Edmonton and Calgary along the way. Dire Straits singer-guitarist Mark Knopfler is slated to open the shows. See below for a full list of dates and locations. Dylan
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Hm. Not bad. But I think a little bit of statistics would also have been great.
LE
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Got to remember they're 6 hours behind GMT, so the concert will actually take place on Saturday (for us in Europe)! ;) By this I mean we won't hear about it until later that day.
So, in Europe, they will be playing at 01.30 am in the night...
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Got to remember they're 6 hours behind GMT, so the concert will actually take place on Saturday (for us in Europe)! ;) By this I mean we won't hear about it until later that day.
So, in Europe, they will be playing at 01.30 am in the night...
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Got to remember they're 6 hours behind GMT, so the concert will actually take place on Saturday (for us in Europe)! ;) By this I mean we won't hear about it until later that day.
So, in Europe, they will be playing at 01.30 am in the night...
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::) :disbelief More than half way through Mark's set and no mention of set list info from "expecting rain forum" attendees.
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One thing is very very scary : no one complaints on ER about Mark joining Bob on stage...
Doesn't sound good although THC #3 on setlist gives some hope. ???
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I would have loved to read MK's guitar was "ruining" Bob's 3 or 4 first songs.
Very strange they didn't say a word. If MK didn't join, they would have noticed as a big relief ;)
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Krusty makes a pretty decent job by ruining the songs himself by playing the guitar ;D
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So far away as encore....
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https://mobile.twitter.com/MissCaraMason/status/254382078567792640?photo=1
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From ER:
From Twitter:
@ceedweeb: Really enjoyin Mark Knopfler, lots of super musically interesting new material. A little Dire Straits. Now I'm wondering #whataboutBob?
@simzy: Mark Knopfler bringing it. Classic Dire Straits. Dylan has a hard act to follow
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Also read there: wasting incredible guitar talent on country music..
Or something along that line, kinda describes it IMHO...
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I'm really disgusted with the people on ER! Not even a mention of MK's set-list! >:(
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I'm really disgusted with the people on ER! Not even a mention of MK's set-list! >:(
I refuse to look at that forum because they seem to think BD is the messiah, which is just ridiculous. Also didnt someone over there call MK a homophobe during their last tour together because of the MFN lyrics. Knobhead. Rant over, setlist please.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/MissCaraMason/status/254382078567792640?photo=1
Thanks for the picture.
So MK joins Bob on stage since the first show. ;D ;D ;D
The best news so far !
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It's not mentioned elsewhere on ER and not on Bill Pagel's setlist:
From Bill Pagel's site:
Winnipeg, Manitoba
MTS Centre
October 5, 2012
1. Watching The River Flow (Bob on keyboard)
2. It Ain't Me, Babe (Bob on guitar)
3. Things Have Changed (Bob on guitar)
4. Tangled Up In Blue (Bob on piano)
5. Tweedle Dee & Tweedle Dum (Bob on piano)
6. This Dream Of You (Bob on piano and harp)
7. Summer Days (Bob on piano)
8. Desolation Row (Bob on piano)
9. Highway 61 Revisited (Bob on piano)
10. Scarlet Town (Bob on piano, Donnie on banjo)
11. Thunder On The Mountain (Bob on piano)
12. Ballad Of A Thin Man (Bob center stage with harp)
13. Like A Rolling Stone (Bob on piano)
14. All Along The Watchtower (Bob on piano)
(encore)
15. Blowin' In The Wind
I notice Bob only played one song from Tempest!
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According to localhero.org, the setlist
MARK KNOPFLER
1. What It Is
2. Corned Beef City
3. Yon Two Crows
4. Privateering
5. Redbud Tree
6. I Used to Could
7. Song for Sonny Liston
8. Daddy
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Thanks very much. So a few new ones then but pretty much similar to the London shows. Just as expected. ::)
No Speedway! :'(
Marblebore AGAIN! :'(
WII and SFA as bookends again! :disbelief
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Many thanks Binone - I like the set list! 7 out of 13 songs from the new album is great! :D
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I don't think Jim and Ian can manage it like Matt and Danny could! :-\
I like Marbletown! ;D
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I agree, Val, I like 7 new songs there. There were only two (and sometimes three) new songs in many GL 2010 "full" shows!
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I don't think Jim and Ian can manage it like Matt and Danny could! :-\
I like Marbletown! ;D
What! Jim's solo's on Speedway were inspired and different every night! Matt was just a robot, playing exactly the same night after night imo. Jim sounds a really talented guy in a totally different class to Matt, i think anyway.
Don't know about Marbletown as a song to end a concert though. Also, how many proper solo's is there in this gig? One or possibly two: WII and HFB. Maybe the new songs have some?
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I feel exactly the opposite! Jim completely ruined the outro of Speedway with his very intrusive piano! Also I don't like STP with Jim - Matt's playing was far better, much more conversation with MK. :)
Marbletown didn't end the concert - SFA did. :)
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I feel exactly the opposite! Jim completely ruined the outro of Speedway with his very intrusive piano! Also I don't like STP with Jim - Matt's playing was far better, much more conversation with MK. :)
Marbletown didn't end the concert - SFA did. :)
I respect your opinion Val, no matter how wrong it may be! ;)
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I think we should feel very happy that there are SEVEN songs from the new album! Imagine if you were a BD fan - he only played ONE from his album! ::) No wonder they are not mentioning MK's setlist this morning! ;)
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Great set list, cant wait for 2013 now. Wonder when the first recording will appear?
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I think we should feel very happy that there are SEVEN songs from the new album! Imagine if you were a BD fan - he only played ONE from his album! ::) No wonder they are not mentioning MK's setlist this morning! ;)
I'm not insulting Bob's fans, but most of them would only recognise SFA, it being the sole DS number.
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I think we should feel very happy that there are SEVEN songs from the new album! Imagine if you were a BD fan - he only played ONE from his album! ::) No wonder they are not mentioning MK's setlist this morning! ;)
I'm not insulting Bob's fans, but most of them would only recognise SFA, it being the sole DS number.
That's their problem I'm afraid, if they only know the hits! They are such a blinkered bunch over there that they only listen to Bob's songs!
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Regardless of the Matt+Dany vs. Jim + Ian debate (I'm not too sure what my opinion is on this one), Speedway is dropped, and that makes me affraid that it would be dropped next year too...
I don't want Speeway to go, and I don't want TR to get either. They are live classics ! I'm sure Mark is on fire now and have the means to reecreate the magic of the 2005 TR !!
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Regardless of the Matt+Dany vs. Jim + Ian debate (I'm not too sure what my opinion is on this one), Speedway is dropped, and that makes me affraid that it would be dropped next year too...
I don't want Speeway to go, and I don't want TR to get either. They are live classics ! I'm sure Mark is on fire now and have the means to reecreate the magic of the 2005 TR !!
He can bring back Matt for all I care, so long as he plays like that again! Come on Mark, get those glasses out! :lol
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I do feel, though, that Jim's style of piano playing is much more suited to the majority of the songs on Privateering than Matt's more poetic style, so I think we will have many more songs from the new album than we usually hear. I'm looking forward to hearing them in 2013! :)
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Also, I am a bit concerned that the "Get Luck" album seems forgotten; it is good to put the emphasis on the new album (remember how KTGC was treated ? as if Mark was ashamed of it !), but Get Lucky had 2 gems, "Border Reiver" which was the best opener in years, and "Piper to the End" which to my mind was the more touching Mark has written since "Brothers in Arms". Even "Dream of a drowed submariner" on the new album comes close, but is not as good as Piper, IMHO. These 2 should be brought back !
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Maybe they will come back for the full show in 2013. I hope so, because I can't really see a better starting song on Privateering than BR! Maybe CBC? :-\
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Maybe they will come back for the full show in 2013. I hope so, because I can't really see a better starting song on Privateering than BR! Maybe CBC? :-\
I also think this will happen. They'll come together with a little DS touch as well.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/MissCaraMason/status/254382078567792640?photo=1
Thanks for the picture.
So MK joins Bob on stage since the first show. ;D ;D ;D
The best news so far !
So that's Mark there in that blurry pic! Great! I still gives me goosebumps just to think that those should share a stage. Wonderful.
And hey, okay, he could have gone for a different opener than What It Is, and I could live without So Far Away, but otherwise the setlist is just great! Seven new songs! That's exactly how it should be. Bob should think about it, too (although I see that it's kind of hard to find seven new AND great songs on Tempest).
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Don't mind bout the people on ER. Their obsessiveness can be of use at times. And they are well organized. And except for the few idiots there, there are actually quitea few mk fans.
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Don't mind bout the people on ER. Their obsessiveness can be of use at times. And they are well organized. And except for the few idiots there, there are actually quitea few mk fans.
Why don't they mention that there was someone else in this concert - MK and that he shared the stage with BD for at least one song? If you read ER it seems there was only one person performing! :o
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Woohoo!! I used to could and redbud tree - absolutely awesome!!
Hope we get them next year. And of course extended Strat solo on Redbud would be excellent. Anyone recording these concerts?
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I'm soooooo excited, I can hardly think straight. 7 new songs from the new album????? That's soooo awesome ! That's not quite Mark, don't you think? But, I'm sooo happyyyy. All the songs I love to hear live maybe except SFA which could be replaced by SOS. Anyway, I really don't care about what BD fans have to say. What song did Mark play with BD?
Now, I really can't wait for my 3 shows in less than 2 weeks. :)
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Nobody can confirm if MK played with his Bobness, and in which songs?
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Were there any tapers at the show? I'm anxious to hear what "Yon Two Crows" sounds like live ;D
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From Richard:
Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada
06-Oct-2012
Having gone to bed early the night before, I woke early yesterday morning. Opened the curtains to a bleak dawn... snowing, grey and the wind howling, blowing the snow sideways. A great morning to ring room service and have a large pot of coffee sent up. I found a very usable gym in the hotel though the first order of business was locating the remote control units for the three televisions that were blaring a chirpy morning talk show in unison. I suppose it could have been worse if they were all on different stations. Why do people think noise equals motivation? I found the remotes and as I was the only one using the facility, the screens went mercifully dark.
The weather never relented so it was a day of mopping up a lot of e-mail and falling into the black hole of a website devoted to children's records that my wife sent http://www.kiddierecords.com/2005/index.htm Being a record collector and having once been a child, I remember many of these wonderful discs from when I was a kid. The guy who put this site together has really spent an enormous amount of time and attention to detail in making his personal collection available to all.
A late check out from the hotel and it off to the MTS Centre for our first show of the tour. It was like we'd never had a year break from touring, the old routine of dumping the bags in the dressing room and rooting around for something to eat, sound check, dinner, dress etc. seems to be encoded in our DNA. It was great seeing Bob's band and crew again, loads of hellos and catching up on the year gone by. It was time to do our first gig and what a great one we had. I can't remember a first show where everyone was so confident and relaxed. I won't give away the tunes that we're doing but will say that there's a healthy selection from the the new Privateering album and they went down brilliantly with the audience. It couldn't have been a better launch to this tour. That followed by a 7 hour bus ride to Regina, Saskatchewan, arriving just past 3 this morning and playing tonight. We're officially on tour.
So long,
Richard
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Nobody can confirm if MK played with his Bobness, and in which songs?
The pictures says it all ;D
There's on guy on centre playing guitar. Mark's typical position.
On the background all musicians wearing hats. No idea who they can be ? ;)
If it was flashy shirts I would say maybe ... Guy Fletcher ? ::)
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Tunnel - There is no doubt that MK was on stage with Bob, that is not in dispute, but there is no mention of it from anyone who was there, or on Bill Pagel's setlist! In fact nothing about Mark's set at all!
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I'm soooooo excited, I can hardly think straight. 7 new songs from the new album????? That's soooo awesome ! That's not quite Mark, don't you think? But, I'm sooo happyyyy. All the songs I love to hear live maybe except SFA which could be replaced by SOS. Anyway, I really don't care about what BD fans have to say. What song did Mark play with BD?
Now, I really can't wait for my 3 shows in less than 2 weeks. :)
The songs he played were pretty predictable from the London shows he did and the new songs are probably pretty easy to play. Also they did perform a few of them last time out so they've already had a good practice. I can't say that the set thrills me at all except Crows. The rest zzz...
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I LOVE this set list !! ;D
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Don't mind bout the people on ER. Their obsessiveness can be of use at times. And they are well organized. And except for the few idiots there, there are actually quitea few mk fans.
I read various references to mk....
Why don't they mention that there was someone else in this concert - MK and that he shared the stage with BD for at least one song? If you read ER it seems there was only one person performing! :o
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https://mobile.twitter.com/MissCaraMason/status/254382078567792640?photo=1
Thanks for the picture.
So MK joins Bob on stage since the first show. ;D ;D ;D
The best news so far !
So that's Mark there in that blurry pic! Great! I still gives me goosebumps just to think that those should share a stage. Wonderful.
And hey, okay, he could have gone for a different opener than What It Is, and I could live without So Far Away, but otherwise the setlist is just great! Seven new songs! That's exactly how it should be. Bob should think about it, too (although I see that it's kind of hard to find seven new AND great songs on Tempest).
I don't get it, it looks like Mark's band in that picture, not Dylan's. Richard on the right, Glenn on the left...?
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https://mobile.twitter.com/MissCaraMason/status/254382078567792640?photo=1
Thanks for the picture.
So MK joins Bob on stage since the first show. ;D ;D ;D
The best news so far !
So that's Mark there in that blurry pic! Great! I still gives me goosebumps just to think that those should share a stage. Wonderful.
And hey, okay, he could have gone for a different opener than What It Is, and I could live without So Far Away, but otherwise the setlist is just great! Seven new songs! That's exactly how it should be. Bob should think about it, too (although I see that it's kind of hard to find seven new AND great songs on Tempest).
I don't get it, it looks like Mark's band in that picture, not Dylan's. Richard on the right, Glenn on the left...?
I believe you're right, Tally! That is why it's not mentioned on Bill Pagel's set list, or by anyone on the forum! I thought I could see Bob's hat though. :-\
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Thought some of you might enjoy this pic. ;D
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Oh c'mon.
LE
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That's definitely Mark and the band...if you look carefully..you can see Mark's red Reinhardts behind him.
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So, did MK play or not with his Bobness?
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For this tour, we should continue and call him Krusty... :lol
Isn't it a pity that in times of internet and all we still don't know it? Some of those ignorants over there should be so nice and report...
LE
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Here's the article that accompanies the pic I posted above.
Bob Dylan Can't Sing
by Marvelous Marvin , posted Jun 1 2011 8:46AM
The one thing all my ex-wives have in common is that they cannot stand Bob Dylan. That made me listen to him all the more. Even my beautiful bride Pamela can't stand him, but she likes me and that's why we've been together for a decade and it seems like we've always been together.
When it comes to Bob there is no middle ground. Either you love him or you hate him. He can't sing is the common complaint. The great thing about music is that there is no right or wrong. If you like it it's good and if you don't it's no good.
I love Bob Dylan. That
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I love the part when the cats run to hide under the bed... I cant get it :lol
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By the way, Pottel, any of the Dylan tapers you know taped it? If yes, I hope they taped MK set too...
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For this tour, we should continue and call him Krusty... :lol
Isn't it a pity that in times of internet and all we still don't know it? Some of those ignorants over there should be so nice and report...
LE
Ignorants huh. Won't be reporting now. :'(
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Were there any tapers at the show? I'm anxious to hear what "Yon Two Crows" sounds like live ;D
Me too. My fav off the new record. Very nice MK setlist btw. Oh but I can't see the pic - it won't load for me!
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I guess there is any crappy movie on tv that Pottel is watching, instead of getting the recording from his tapers friends ;D
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lol, yep, something with Russel Crow, not good as i thought it would be...
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lol, yep, something with Russel Crow, not good as i thought it would be...
:lol :lol :lol
Good old Pottel, never dissapoint me ;)
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72hrs something....
listening to John and Mark joining Talking heads in a wicked version of "Psycho Killer" now...very interesting guitar playing...
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72hrs something....
listening to John and Mark joining Talking heads in a wicked version of "Psycho Killer" now...very interesting guitar playing...
Did you say Psycho Killer? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKpzCCuHDVY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKpzCCuHDVY)
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"I used to could live" - audio only http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gROqJ6GuqwA&list=UU1aUEmMR2_89Eu4ifzgrVww&index=4&feature=plcp
"So far away" - short video clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yBBGflv6Fc&list=UU1aUEmMR2_89Eu4ifzgrVww&index=3&feature=plcp
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Many thanks Shangri la 1! I Used To Could sounded great and Jim was obviously a good choice for this type of song! :thumbsup
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http://www.winnipegsun.com/2012/10/06/dylan-defies-expectations-at-mts
A bit on MK at the end.
And here's a miniscule 40-second clip of "Scarlet Town" for the music lovers out there:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8_NQL3w5eY&feature=youtu.be
It's so brief, maybe the Web Sherriff will leave it there
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Another one!
Review from Winnipeg (examiner.com):
Former Dire Straits frontman Mark Knopfler (a headliner in his own right), opened the night with a solid 80-minute set, which focused primarily on material from his new album
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Some good reviews there, for both artists. Liked used to coud and Scarlett town.
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Great to have clips so early! Thanks!
I fear I Used To Could will go the same way as CBC last time.. Mark will get bored with it pretty soon... I also think the harmonica part on this one is essential and is missing here so that this live version sounds just like "another" rock n' roll number. I love that song and this live version is played well by Mark, but as I said, without harmonica it has lost its identy somewhat. Imho.
LE
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I thought the piano went some way to take the part of the harmonica, but of course, it can't replace it. I liked it a lot anyway! :)
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The mention of MK in this report is admittedly brief but it is not exactly dismissive, even though it is from a long-established Dylan website. Note also the last paragraph.
Review by Gord Ellis
This was my first Dylan show since March 2004, at the Kool Haus in
Toronto. That was such a good show - and I was so close - that I thought
I`d never need to see another show again. But that was three great albums
ago, plus Knopfler was opening,so...
Mark Knopfler and his band were superb. No song by song review, but he
went from strength to strength.The sound and playing was impeccable.My
buddy Bill was in heaven. Privateer was a highlight.
After a half hour break or so,Bob and his band came on to the sound of Stu
Kimball`s blues guitar licks. There was Bob, looking good. My first
thought was he was striking a very Rolling Thunder Revue look. He opened
with Watching the River Flow, on organ. A stong version, with great
singing. Right away, I noticed Bob was way up in the mix, and the guitars
were too low. For my ears anyway. This would continue the whole show
really.
We had really good seats, 4th row middle.So I could see everything. Bob
was havng a hoot, smiling at Tony and Donnie. He seemed to have little
interaction with Charlie and Stu, which surprised me. But this would
continue all night. An electric It Ain`t Me Babe and Things Have Changed
had people bopping and cheering. Nice to see Bob on a telecaster. His
guitar was loud and strong.
By the time, he got to the grand piano , it was clear he was going to be
very high in the mix. Each plunk of the piano roared out. Bob was the
loudest instrument on stage. He played like a jazzman, pulling out little
riffs and runs. They were interesting, and lead the band, but it was
sometimes hard to hear the rest of the boys. This made for some
"interesting" moments. Bob was singing great, though, and the band was
very tight as usual. I can only assume that this mix was directed by his
Bobness, as no sound man in this day in age would actually leave the mix
that way without being directed to.
This mix issue really showed up on Tangled up in Blue.The root suspended
chord guitar riff was low, and Bob's plunking keys were super loud.So
trying to follow the chord changes was really hard.You could see the band
doing their best to follow each other. Was this the mix they were getting
as well? Again, Bob was having a great time, like a kid on an new toy.
Legs kicking, playing one handed. Chaplinesque. But adjust the mix a bit,
and this would have been a killer. As it was, it really never got cooking
like it should have. This happened time and again.
Which is not to say I didn't enjoy the show. I did. Bob was really into
it. Ballad of a Thin Man was the best Dylan performance I've ever seen
live in 6 shows over nearly 27 years.He really performed and played great
harp. The crowd at it up. It was awesome. No keys, by the way, so you
could hear the band perfectly.And they were great.
Highway 61 also caught flight, and the giant piano licks blended right in.
But Charlie was hemmed in. It was really weird to see him strumming
away,barely audible. Same with All Along the Watchtower and Rollin' Stone
He is such a monster guitarist. But Stu Kimball took nearly every lead.
I`d assumed there would be several new songs. But the only Tempest tune
was Scarlet Town, and it was almost perfect. It also got a very big cheer
right at the first few bars. People have been listening to the new album.
It sounded fantastic and I really wished that Bob had trotted out a few
more like Pay in Blood, or Dusquesne Whistle. They just will work with
this band and mix. If this is the new mix.
It was a short show, just 15 songs. Including a very odd Blowing in the
Wind encore, that had Bob standing at the keys, plunking out a repeated
riff that the band would follow. Then it was over.
I should mention it was very close to a full house at MTS,and there was
the usual range of oldsters, kids and people having a real religious
experience seeing Bob. So it wasn't quite what I expected, but when is it
with Bob? I do feel he is wasting the talents of Charlie Sexton by boxing
him in so much, but that's Dylan. And no Knopfler cameo. Again, typical
Bob. And more new songs please. But it was really great to see him again
having so much fun. Roll on Bob.[/color]
I have highlighted the clear confirmation that MK did not play during Dylan's set.
P.S. Oddly, try as I might (and I have tried), I can't print Charlie's surname properly. Presumably, some kind of filter replaces the "EX" bit of his surname with "PAM". So, for "Spamton", read "S e x t o n".
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Thanks! That spam thing is really funny!
I have seen Bob now 4 times live (first two 1995 and 1997, and last year 2 shows) so 4 Dylan shows in 17 years - I would never dare to write such a profiled review because I guess I just can't judge Bob's form - of course I can say if I liked it or not, but a lot of ER people have probably shows in three-figures on their account - and maybe lost their objectivity... However, this is a greatly written and very nice review! If Bob was playing in Europe, I would not hesitate and go for another one... 8)
Nice to see that Mark obviously gets good critics for his opening show. He is able to convince people who were not exactly there because of him - high quality!
LE
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As I've said before, Bob is highly variable in performance, not just from one show to the next but from one song to the next in the same show. He is unpredictable. In contast, Mark is very consistent but also quite predictable. He even cracks the same joke(s) that we've all heard many times before. Some Dylan fans regard that approach as too slick and it puts them off.
And, within the broad swathe of Dylan fans, some can be very single-minded. It results in the sort of thing that Pottel has mentioned (favourably, I think - the comprehensiveness of concert recordings and fans being "organised") but it also gives rise to a certain level of "blindness". One fan (I knew him a bit and he even got namechecked by Dylan from the stage but he has now passed on) once said, "I have only got 35 albums and all of them are by Bob Dylan, except one - and that was a mistake". It's quite funny but I cannot imagine only listening to Bob Dylan. I know from talking to many other Dylan fans over the years that their musical tastes are wide and varied. [see note below]
There are many, as someone above hinted, who will only know Mark from his DS days and, for me (and others, I think), that style of music is overblown. Since the DS days, Mark has continued to develop, has taken a different approach if you like, a different direction, has absorbed different influences. It would be an interesting study to establish what he has adapted and/or adopted over the years but, whatever it is, I enjoy it in a way that I could not with the "DS-approach". MK has nothing to prove to AMIT-posters but, by going out on the road with Dylan, he is taking his music to people who probably would not otherwise have attended one of his shows. Some will respond positively; some will not.
Part of a musician's life is taking their music to new audiences and trying to win them over. Good on him!
Note: my own latest CD purchases are: "A Proper Introduction to The Carter Family - Keep On The Sunny Side", "Keep A Dollar In Your Pocket - More Roots of R&B", "Bo Diddley - The First Ten Singles", and "The Inspirational Carole King - Natural Woman". So, broadly, from the 1920s-1930s, the 1940s, the 1950s and the 1960s-1970s, respectively. All four bought from one supplier for a total of
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkSafo_kfas&feature=related
I say bring this back. Not really the song, but the performance, the energy, the atmosfere, the guitar playing........(to me the last great Mark tour)
At least MK is doing what every artist should do after releasing an album...playing the bloody songs LIVE (KTGC tour was ridiculous). No better way to promote the album and get the songs to be heard.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkSafo_kfas&feature=related
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At least MK is doing what every artist should do after releasing an album...playing the bloody songs LIVE (KTGC tour was ridiculous). No better way to promote the album and get the songs to be heard.
Yes, and MK is doing just that! :D
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I haven't really followed the problems with releasing the new album in North America but, if it has been released in Canada but not in the USA, it will be interesting to see if this affects the live set list once the tour moves south of the border. I hope not.
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NICE.
The tour has begun and now I can fill my days by reading whining on ER about Bob's shorter set because of MK's boring opening set and grumbling from the entitled bunch at AMIT that Bobcats aren't reporting Mark's setlist ;D
Love 'em both and wish I was catching some of the tour.
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NICE.
The tour has begun and now I can fill my days by reading whining on ER about Bob's shorter set because of MK's boring opening set and grumbling from the entitled bunch at AMIT that Bobcats aren't reporting Mark's setlist ;D
Love 'em both and wish I was catching some of the tour.
lol, know the feeling amigo...
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Thanks! That spam thing is really funny!
My problem with this is when I write spam and everybody thinks that I write s e x. :smack
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkSafo_kfas&feature=related
I say bring this back. Not really the song, but the performance, the energy, the atmosfere, the guitar playing........(to me the last great Mark tour)
At least MK is doing what every artist should do after releasing an album...playing the bloody songs LIVE (KTGC tour was ridiculous). No better way to promote the album and get the songs to be heard.
Kind of ironic, Mark is promoting an album unavailable in the country and Bob is ignoring one that is for sale.
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Dylan tours are never set up to support an album release. He just tours until he decides not to. The albums come out (or not) and that's it.
The only link between concerts and album releases is that, these days, he will rarely perform a new song until it' has been released, quite likely to avoid encuoraging the sales of bootlegs. Other than that, pretty much forget it.
So, once an album gets released, we hope we might to get to hear something from it live.
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NICE.
The tour has begun and now I can fill my days by reading whining on ER about Bob's shorter set because of MK's boring opening set and grumbling from the entitled bunch at AMIT that Bobcats aren't reporting Mark's setlist ;D
Love 'em both and wish I was catching some of the tour.
Got to agree with you Arabia about the few individuals concerned. But not the actual forums. AMIT links to each seperate concert on ER and also lists Bob's sets. That's because our mods have huge respect for the artist that invited our man to tour with him. Agree that the "Krusty" and "Baldy" stuff is just great banter like between friendly football rivals.
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Dylan - "Blowin' In The Wind":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5WExMN7wHk&feature=share
Presented somewhat differently from what you heard last year. Maybe it's time for Mark to step out a little.
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Daddy's gone to Knoxville
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L26xxWEv004
Mark compliments Richard on his slide work!
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Maybe it's time for Mark to step out a little.
What do you mean exactly?
LE
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Be less predictable I guess.Play other songs, say a new joke or two, be more playful with the audience etc. The fact that we are get- a -life fans, doesn't mean that we should like everything, just because it is done by our man. Of course we can not, should not and will not demand anything but discussing and suggesting some things can not harm. ;D By the way Bob does these things, but still can't stand his voice live, and I surely wouldn't pay only for the jokes ;) But from what I hear, MK is really changing, and touring, all the time like BD, so he might take some of the other habits as well. :think
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"Step out a little"? Vgonis has it right.
As I've said before, MK is a much more predictable performer than BD. Night after night, MK produces a very high standard of performance and that's great. I like the fact that he gives the band members space and proper acknowledgment and I like the fact that he generally seems to be enjoying himself on stage.
On the other hand (and I may be completely wrong when I say this), he also seems to be working within his comfort zone. If you go to see him several times on one tour (as many of you do), you pretty much know what you're going to get from night to night. You might get the odd song different from a previous night and you might get a slightly different arrangment or a slightly different solo but it will all be within a fairly narrow band of expectation. Everone seems so well drilled.
Now I'm not saying that MK should become "another BD" in style, approach or whatever (God forbid!), because I want Mark to be his own person but I would like to feel that he's trying different things - live, on-stage and before our very eyes - things that are spontaneous. The band are terrific players but they all know what to expect next. The whole performance has been worked out beforehand, in the privacy of the rehearsal hall or whatever, and, with almost no variation, that is what we get to hear from the stage each night on a tour.
So, I am not advocating wholesale change but a wider choice of songs and a bit more spontaneity.
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"I used to could live" - audio only http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gROqJ6GuqwA&list=UU1aUEmMR2_89Eu4ifzgrVww&index=4&feature=plcp
"So far away" - short video clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yBBGflv6Fc&list=UU1aUEmMR2_89Eu4ifzgrVww&index=3&feature=plcp
Thanks for these!
Maaike
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Knoxville sounds great! Is he also changing the lyrics?
A pity that we don't have any imagery of Mark and the band
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"Step out a little"? Vgonis has it right.
As I've said before, MK is a much more predictable performer than BD. Night after night, MK produces a very high standard of performance and that's great. I like the fact that he gives the band members space and proper acknowledgment and I like the fact that he generally seems to be enjoying himself on stage.
On the other hand (and I may be completely wrong when I say this), he also seems to be working within his comfort zone. If you go to see him several times on one tour (as many of you do), you pretty much know what you're going to get from night to night. You might get the odd song different from a previous night and you might get a slightly different arrangment or a slightly different solo but it will all be within a fairly narrow band of expectation. Everone seems so well drilled.
Now I'm not saying that MK should become "another BD" in style, approach or whatever (God forbid!), because I want Mark to be his own person but I would like to feel that he's trying different things - live, on-stage and before our very eyes - things that are spontaneous. The band are terrific players but they all know what to expect next. The whole performance has been worked out beforehand, in the privacy of the rehearsal hall or whatever, and, with almost no variation, that is what we get to hear from the stage each night on a tour.
So, I am not advocating wholesale change but a wider choice of songs and a bit more spontaneity.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L26xxWEv004
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As this writer says [ http://www.gigcity.ca/2012/10/05/keep-it-weird-bob-we-love-you-for-it/ ], if you follow the twists and turns of Bob Dylan's life and/or career, you're in for a pretty bumpy ride.
I just wish Mark would throw us a few curve balls. Maybe he thinks his fan base couldn't cope. If so, I disagree. OK, a few might fall by the wayside but, IMHO, more would respond favourably and he'd likely pull more into the fold.
P.S. Sorry for all the mixed metaphors but sometimes it's easier just to trot out the clich
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As this writer says [ http://www.gigcity.ca/2012/10/05/keep-it-weird-bob-we-love-you-for-it/ ], if you follow the twists and turns of Bob Dylan's life and/or career, you're in for a pretty bumpy ride.
I just wish Mark would throw us a few curve balls. Maybe he thinks his fan base couldn't cope. If so, I disagree. OK, a few might fall by the wayside but, IMHO, more would respond favourably and he'd likely pull more into the fold.
P.S. Sorry for all the mixed metaphors but sometimes it's easier just to trot out the clich
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Thanks for enlighten me/answering my querie, it was just that I could not work out what the "step out" was related to. After all, twm, you wrote it because Bob obviously changed Blowing In The Wind - which he does all the time, as he always changes everything all the time - which is something that Mark probably hates because the stuff would be in danger to loose his character in his eyes/ears... The pure fact that MK decided to tour with Bob two times within a year alone shows that he is able to "step out"...
LE
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"Step out" is an example of a phrasal verb, I believe. We have a lot of them in English and some of them can be very confusing for non-native speakers, particularly those phrasal verbs that have more than one meaning depending on the context. "Step out" has more than one meaning/usage These are the ones I can think of but this may not be complete:-
(1) to take longer strides while at walking,
(2) to leave a room or building (sometimes for a very short time)
(3) to lead a fuller social life, often to do something that you haven't done at all before or haven't done very often before
(4) to take a step forward (usually from a line, queue or group of people)
(5) to do something different.
Those are not terribly good definitions but I think you have already got the sense of what I meant.
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Phrasal verbs are a heaven of rhymes and multiple meanings for musicians and poets!
The most common use in the past 20-30 years of step out, is related to the word closet.
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winnipeg BD recording popped up, by the great 'n awesome Soomlos, he also recorded MK last time, and this made me check my inbox on dime where i did a little survey amongst tapers and almost all of them covering the NA tour were affirmative when it came down to taping MK.
just wrote soom for confirmation.........yes!!!!
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:clap :clap SWEET! Thanks for the info Pottel. :thumbsup
We had some great recordings from Soomlos last time and if the others are as good we have plenty to look forward to folks. :clap
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So he recorded Bob only? No MK? ::)
LE
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azkPxWoZ74Y
Is there a recording?
And there is something wrong with my account on the tracker,, can someone help me with that?
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Can't recognize MK's guitar?
LE
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Can't recognize MK's guitar?
LE
Red Fender Strat!
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Just found the confirmation in my pm Inbox on dime, Solos also Records mk, and kowing the man, he is in for the Long Haul! Haul away Soomlos!
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Sorry to bother you Pottel, but is it possible to post the http?
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Huh? It ain't out there yet, but will be soon! (Not in my grubby little hands right now)
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When available! Of course if you could provide it now, it would be literary fantastic!
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i am sooo litterary gonna do that it's gonna become scary..
did i mention bob should stay away from the guitar? on this show he is effing noodling away through the wonderful Things have changed, only to effing ruin it....and i LOVE my bob...
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Maybe he should stay away from the vocals as well! Just joking, or not?
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i am sooo litterary gonna do that it's gonna become scary..
did i mention bob should stay away from the guitar? on this show he is effing noodling away through the wonderful Things have changed, only to effing ruin it....and i LOVE my bob...
Do you mean he plays the guitar on THC ? :hmm
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yep. confused the eff outa me....i mean, he joins, but by doing so, completly overshadows charlie's playing...
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Maybe he should stay away from the vocals as well! Just joking, or not?
i like his vocals, yep, there, i said it...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azkPxWoZ74Y
i like the drumwork of ian thomas - the whole song is very fresh in my opinion
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whooop whooop, let the danny-fan/ian-fan battle begin!!!
:-)
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no, no, danny was great. he was pure emotion - but ian is different - he has more elegance in his playing (in my personal opinion)
i like both, no gunfire from me ;-)
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I don't like either of them on SFA; for me an integral part of the song (along with Marks' laid-back vocal) was the breakdown at the end of each verse and then the extra drum beat (you know the thing on the studio and terry used it too I think on the BIA tour). Without these two elements, the song is just one long bore.
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yep. confused the eff outa me....i mean, he joins, but by doing so, completly overshadows charlie's playing...
Looks like MK didn't join because Krusty thinks he can do it. :clap
I'm very curious to hear that soon. ::)
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ballad of a thin man is its' usual brilliant self. absolutely love that song...
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I don't like either of them on SFA; for me an integral part of the song (along with Marks' laid-back vocal) was the breakdown at the end of each verse and then the extra drum beat (you know the thing on the studio and terry used it too I think on the BIA tour). Without these two elements, the song is just one long bore.
SFA is the kind of songs that's been played too often. Whoever plays drums or any instrument, even Krusty, it's not enjoyable anymore.
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ballad of a thin man is its' usual brilliant self. absolutely love that song...
I fell in love with it, too, during my Hannover show last year. Great song!
TA TAAAA!! (3000th post, about a Krusty song, sorry Mark... :smack )
LE
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TA TAAAA!! (3000th post, about a Krusty song, sorry Mark... :smack
What a shame ;) ;) ;)
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You'll do better after 1000 more posts. :D
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Hey vgonis, 25 left and you can comment on Krusty. ;D
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Only the ones over 1000 get to comment Krusty? ;D No I ain't gonna spoil it for his Bobness. I will save it for something more important. ;D Like where is my box edition?
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Not at all ;)
Only save #1000 for Krusty ;D ;D ;D :think
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I want my "Juliet" back! :wave
LE
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Can't recognize MK's guitar?
LE
Red Fender Strat!
yes, on previous tours, he played it on the 54 strat, but since the GL tour he plays it on a sig model, with heavy strings and trem bar (not the same as on WII or STP)
see here for more informations about the differents sig strats :
http://www.mk-guitar.com/2010/07/17/the-different-mark-knopfler-signature-strats-used-on-the-get-lucky-tour/ (http://www.mk-guitar.com/2010/07/17/the-different-mark-knopfler-signature-strats-used-on-the-get-lucky-tour/)
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I knew that, it was more that I really could not ... recognize it because of the blinding lights... it looks just white to me... 8)
LE
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Please don't pass this link on to anyone (otherwise the Web Sherriff will haul it down). It's Dylan on "Scarlet Town". I know some may be offended by its inclusion, for which I'm truly sorry, but others might like to hear this performance in full:
http://www.jokerman.org.uk/music/ST.mp3
There have been comments elsewhere about Dylan's piano playing. It can be wayward at times but here it is straightforward and simple, enough to put the song over and no more and no less.
The following are not the official lyrics but something I patched together last month when the album came out. I haven't double checked them but he will inevitably make minor changes in concert anyway:
06. SCARLET TOWN
In Scarlet Town, where I was born
There's ivy leaf and silver thorn
The streets have names that you can't pronounce
Gold is down to a quarter of an ounce
The music starts and the people sway
Everybody says, "Are you going my way?"
Uncle Tom still workin' for Uncle Bill
Scarlet Town is under the hill.
Scarlet Town in the month of May
Sweet William on his deathbed lay
Mistress Mary by the side of the bed
Kissin' his face and heaping prayers on his head
So brave and true, so gentle is he
I'll weep for him as he would weep for me
Little Boy Blue come blow your horn
In Scarlet Town, where I was born.
Scarlet Town, in the hot noon hours,
There's palm-leaf shadows and scattered flowers
Beggars crouching at the gate
Help comes, but it comes too late
By marble slabs and in fields of stone
You make your humble wishes known
I touched the garment, but the hem was torn
In Scarlet Town, where I was born.
In Scarlet Town, the end is near
The Seven Wonders of the World are here
The evil and the good livin' side by side
All human forms seem glorified
Put your heart on a platter and see who will bite
See who will hold you and kiss you good night
There's walnut groves and maplewood
In Scarlet Town cryin' won't do no good.
In Scarlet Town, you fight your father's foes
Up on the hill, a chilly wind blows
You fight 'em on high and you fight 'em down in
You fight 'em with whisky, morphine and gin
You've got legs that can drive men mad
A lot of things we didn't do that I wish we had
In Scarlet Town, the sky is clear
You'll wish to God that you stayed right here.
Set 'em up Joe, play "Walkin' the Floor"
Play it for my flat-chested junkie whore
I'm staying up late, and I'm making amends
While a smile from heaven descends
If love is a sin, then beauty is a crime
All things are beautiful in their time
The black and the white, the yellow and the brown
It's all out there for you in Scarlet Town.
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The song is a sort of updating/rewriting/recasting of the old ballad, BARBARA ALLEN, which Dylan was performing in his live sets 50 years ago.
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I like his piano playing! But not his guitar noodling
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ballad of a thin man is its' usual brilliant self. absolutely love that song...
I fell in love with it, too, during my Hannover show last year. Great song!
TA TAAAA!! (3000th post, about a Krusty song, sorry Mark... :smack )
LE
I took a listen to the song. I absolutely love it too. what an interesting song. I couldn't quite understand what the song was about. It seemed to keep going on and on without much sense lyrically. but man, the music is soooo good I could just keep on listening to it.
LE, did you say he play this song last year? It must have been such a treat to hear it Live. From which album is it from?
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It is from Highway 61 Revisited, from 1965, so pretty early stuff... But of course, I did not recognize it as he changed it as usual and it didn't know it too well anyway ... I was messaging Pottel with some lyrical pieces to identiy the song... his reply came within seconds... ;D
Makes me think that I still haven't got the Krusty part of the Hannover show last year - have to change that.... it was a fabulous night...
(I think I wrote a very feastful review here at AMIT. Remember spotting the "Oscar" as I was in front of Bob during the last few songs...)
LE
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Ah yes.... Mr Jones ! Great song, and great album
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taddaaaaqaqaaaaaaaaa
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=424510
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Can't recognize MK's guitar?
LE
Red Fender Strat!
yes, on previous tours, he played it on the 54 strat, but since the GL tour he plays it on a sig model, with heavy strings and trem bar (not the same as on WII or STP)
see here for more informations about the differents sig strats :
http://www.mk-guitar.com/2010/07/17/the-different-mark-knopfler-signature-strats-used-on-the-get-lucky-tour/ (http://www.mk-guitar.com/2010/07/17/the-different-mark-knopfler-signature-strats-used-on-the-get-lucky-tour/)
Interesting article but no mention of 'SE00000'??!!
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http://www.dimeadozen.org/attachments/0/424510/5629037/mk2012-10-05-sonny.mp3 (http://www.dimeadozen.org/attachments/0/424510/5629037/mk2012-10-05-sonny.mp3)
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Thank you, Pottel! Will listen to it tomorrow! Great surprise, even if I was expecting it. :)
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http://tracker.knopflertk.net/torrents-details.php?id=2359&takecomment=yes
so far away intro halted, briefly...
still nice to hear the beginning....hear in Winnipeg town....
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powerfull guitar in the intro...
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lovely lovely.....
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:) ;) :D ;D :thumbsup :clap :clap :clap Thanks Pottel!!
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Yon two crows !!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbAf8GBXlh0
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Hi all,
Glad to read many positive reviews. Yon two crows is good indeed
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Thanks NicoMK. It sounded fantastic in my ears. I only wish that MK would extend the solo for another 5 minutes ! ;D I love it !!!!!
Can't wait for tomorrow.
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Fantastic!!! :clap :clap :clap
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJVeIW059gw
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Hi all,
Glad to read many positive reviews. Yon two crows is good indeed
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Hi all,
Glad to read many positive reviews. Yon two crows is good indeed
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Herlock, no matter my opinion, as you said the glass is half. If we are optimists and we say half full, or rather depressed and say half empty, the fact is that it is still half. ;D It used to be full, no matter how much we drunk from it. And I really don't care about it, since it is only music, and supposed to be fun. Have so many other things to be depressed about...
(And yes, one of them is MK.com. I have only received the simple version of the album. More than 2 months after the order and payment. )
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg6IIsEVzKs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tz-mvQAfHik
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Redbud tree ! BRAVO :clap :clap :clap Love it and love the way Richard played on this
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No offence taken Herlock. I respect your point of view. The fact is that I have to open my heart to someone over this and who better than you folk here; the experts who understand what I am talking about.
I understand this isn't 1985, but last year was such a thrill having him back in such an energetic form it really bode well for the 2013 tour. Now, I hear this and I'm not sure if he'll even manage the 2013 tour at all. The set for this current tour is one that just doesn't work for me, having no showcase song for Mark to finish on a high e.g. Speedway, TR, TOL... Marbletown???
I don't ever want to hear that tripe again! I listened to the Winnipeg version and tried really hard but my mind wandered off at some point and missed a couple of minutes. Didn't sound any different to me. Can anyone sustain their full attention for the entire duration of this song? It's a tester, that's for sure!
Can you imagine him playing Sultans or TR right now? Ouch! What is going to happen on the next tour? Did you hear WII from Vancouver? How bad was that. Never knew he could play that poorly, and that's a few shows into the tour. :-[
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His voice is very wobbly, hope he is doing the Matt Rollins warm up. Loving I Used to Could and Redbud. Privateering was better last year and Knoxville is great fun. I also think its very hard to judge a performance from a audience or soundboard recording. Nothing beats being there, and those who won't be seeing him next year because of the recordings are making a mistake.
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Hi all,
Glad to read many positive reviews. Yon two crows is good indeed
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You guys are really depressing... :p (no offense intended, everybody is entitled to his own opinions of course)
As for me I like to see the bright side of life; yes, Mark is 63, this is not 1985 anymore, we won't hear again crazy TOL solos, etc...
But...
Things improve sometimes !
We used to complain that Mark was not promoting his new album (KTGC anyone ?) => now we've got no less than 7 new songs ! Some of which are real killers and potential for development (Yon Two Crows, especially) !
We used to complain that WII was too laid-back => the fast licks are back !
We used to complain that songs we are always played the same way from tour to tour => Marbletown is a good example that this is not true !
When Mark plays live like on the album, we say "what a shame, no live extension", and when Mark plays extended solos, we say "what a scandal ! he should have played like this on the album !" aren't we spoiled kids sometimes ? ;)
Why can't we just see the bottle hafl full rather than half empty ?
Just my 2 cents :) Love u all even if you don't share my views.
You misunderstood me mate. I underlined the fact that I liked Mark's playing during the last two BD tours. I think he plays really well, I really do. I also think that it's good to see them playing oldies that were rarely played before and some new tunes which deserve to be played. Enough with the Bonaparte, So far away etc. I LOVE all those songs but they have been overplayed.
That said, I just say that I don't like how they sound, compared to the 2005-2010 band. That's just my opinion, for what it counts. What I liked in that band was their energy, I liked the shows despite repetitive set lists
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The new live entries are amazing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbAf8GBXlh0
what a quality ... indeed, just 1,5 month after album release the next live song for eternity, ...
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That said, I just say that I don't like how they sound, compared to the 2005-2010 band. That's just my opinion, for what it counts. What I liked in that band was their energy, I liked the shows despite repetitive set lists
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I really couldn't care less about the band. So long as they're good, then that's fine. It's Mark I want to go and see. He's the man - always was and always will be.
If I may, you're not quite right. ;)
Sure Mark is an amazing songwriter and guitarist and has always been surrounded by phenomenal, whether we like them or not. They are professional musicians indeed, but not all them are great, I'm sorry. That's why the band sounded so different so many times in so many years.
But I will continue thinking that some guys he used to work with were better suited for the job than some others. If not, why many people here and there say that Chris Whitten was not a good drummer for Dire Straits? Just an example
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I really couldn't care less about the band. So long as they're good, then that's fine. It's Mark I want to go and see. He's the man - always was and always will be.
If I may, you're not quite right. ;)
Sure Mark is an amazing songwriter and guitarist and has always been surrounded by phenomenal, whether we like them or not. They are professional musicians indeed, but not all them are great, I'm sorry. That's why the band sounded so different so many times in so many years.
But I will continue thinking that some guys he used to work with were better suited for the job than some others. If not, why many people here and there say that Chris Whitten was not a good drummer for Dire Straits? Just an example
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I really couldn't care less about the band. So long as they're good, then that's fine. It's Mark I want to go and see. He's the man - always was and always will be.
If I may, you're not quite right. ;)
Sure Mark is an amazing songwriter and guitarist and has always been surrounded by phenomenal, whether we like them or not. They are professional musicians indeed, but not all them are great, I'm sorry. That's why the band sounded so different so many times in so many years.
But I will continue thinking that some guys he used to work with were better suited for the job than some others. If not, why many people here and there say that Chris Whitten was not a good drummer for Dire Straits? Just an example
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Well, often there are time restrictions for TV shows so no sound checks or solos. They also have a studio setting which has very different acoustics to a usual venue. The songs are also often new and not yet perfected. However, some of my favourite versions of WII are from the promo tours.
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Why is there talk about two previous Dylan tours? Did I miss a complete tour or what...
LE
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Why is there talk about two previous Dylan tours? Did I miss a complete tour or what...
LE
You maybe listened to Marbletown and it sent you to sleep for so long you missed it! ;D
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After reading all of today's posts and especially yours, dmg, I am about to sell my tickets and unsubscribe to this forum and go and find another muso I can like... ;)
LE
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg6IIsEVzKs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tz-mvQAfHik
I listened to both videos and have to agree with dmg! I don't like both songs. Miss You Blues is really played like a lullaby, this is something I will never show or play to anyone because I feel ashamed of it - MK's vocals on both songs are weak, how comes at the beginning of a tour... The solo on RT sounds exterted, cramped, and my Favourite track of the album, Miss You Blues, suffers from total lack of energy... I also think that Richard's playing on RT does NOT fit the song, especially the way he ends his parts...
I was about to download that show (and big and honest Thank you to Pottel for making it available here) but I guess I will sleep over it and maybe wait for some later shows... if these two songs are an example of the quality I guess I pass this one..
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Yon two crows !!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbAf8GBXlh0
Very bad... how do you call it..... SINGING... nice violin though...
In general not as good as I thought it would be after reading all these enthusiastic posts...
LE
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I think regarding Crows, the band need to pick it up a bit on the last verse to blend it into the final crescendo. It just doesn't quite work for me this version. Mark tries to build it up with the vocals but the band don't follow suit. I also think Mark should maybe join in a bit more with the guitar on the last verse. I know this is the first show so perhaps this is changed now but it sounds strange when the vocals end; sounds a bit abrupt due to the sudden change of pace and noise.
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I might think about it.
Maybe we should give him some time. I remember listening to the first few shows from the US in 2010 and I was also not very convinced, especially about Border Reiver... But I still think today's clips are showing MK in a not too good state.. have been heard much better... And boy, when this Shakespeare
story comes up AGAIN, I felt like :smack :smack :smack :smack... is he really serious? And all told in this sleepy manner... I think they are partying too much and should get focused more on the real thing... ;D
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Love Expresso: Been drinking beer? I thought german beer is chemichal free?? :wave
What is wrong with you guys? One day MK is God and everything is great, now everything stinks....
:disbelief
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Nope. Never do.
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I might think about it.
Maybe we should give him some time. I remember listening to the first few shows from the US in 2010 and I was also not very convinced, especially about Border Reiver... But I still think today's clips are showing MK in a not too good state.. have been heard much better... And boy, when this Shakespeare
story comes up AGAIN, I felt like :smack :smack :smack :smack... is he really serious? And all told in this sleepy manner... I think they are partying too much and should get focused more on the real thing... ;D
LE
Yeah, this theatre thing comes up again and am I the only one who thinks it sounds a little pompous? I mean does he really want to relate to his fans by assuming we all go to watch Shakespeare plays every week!
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Bored now.
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Wether I said everything stinks nor did I ever say he's God. But I have ears and personal preferences and judged a performance that I think is not among his best ones. As I know he is able to do much better and as this is a discussion forum I thought I might be allowed to say what I think about it.
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You're absolutely right. I can honestly say I know you are hugely dissapointed. I probably had lower expectations hence not being pissed off about the tour.
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Love Expresso: of course you can have your own opinion. This forum is free :P
Its just sad to read comments about MKs performance based on piss poor recordings with terrible sound.. That is my opinion.. ;D
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Love Expresso: of course you can have your own opinion. This forum is free :P
Its just sad to read comments about MKs performance based on piss poor recordings with terrible sound.. That is my opinion.. ;D
I won
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Love Expresso: of course you can have your own opinion. This forum is free :P
Its just sad to read comments about MKs performance based on piss poor recordings with terrible sound.. That is my opinion.. ;D
Whatever our opinion about this concert, this is not the recording's fault.
It is really as good as an audience recording can be, done with highly professional material by a chap who seems to really know what he is doing. Look at the details in the torrent, this guy does not hesitate to go to a concert with a pair of hifi mics + a protable pre-amplifier + a state of the art digital recorder ! Only a soundboard could beat this... And even then, a good audience recording, reproducing faithfully what the recorder heard in the concert, can be better than a badly mixed soundboard...
So the technology is not at fault... let's focus on the music.... :)
I am downloading the second show now from dimeadozen !! let's compare !!
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JBaent, I was not aware that it was you who made the Glasgow recording? So is it you saying "Hey What It Is!!!" in the very beginning?? :)
I think the Glasgow recording quality was great, and this one is not bad either.
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Maybe I have bad quality loudspeakers then...
Did not mean any harm. Great to have the recording anyway.
It was great to hear Yon Two Crows despite the bad sound quality..
Good night fellows
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JBaent, I was not aware that it was you who made the Glasgow recording? So is it you saying "Hey What It Is!!!" in the very beginning?? :)
I think the Glasgow recording quality was great, and this one is not bad either.
LE
No, I knew it was What it is LOL
I never say a word when recording, but a friend of mine who was also recording... Lets say he "broadcasted" the show during the recording. After "Corneed beef city" you can hear someone telling We just listened to a new song, "Privateering" in spanish... He confused the song because the reports from Dublin he read only mentioned that new song... ;D
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Maybe I have bad quality loudspeakers then...
Did not mean any harm. Great to have the recording anyway.
It was great to hear Yon Two Crows despite the bad sound quality..
Good night fellows
Or maybe you had too much beer? :wave ;D
LE
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when MK would read all this - i could understand when he would retire
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LE: hehe.. Good one! ;D :P
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Hey, another brother, don't take it all too seriously... ;) This is not ER...
LE
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I haven't listened to any of the recordings, but I am looking forward. WOW, all these passionate responses! Good or bad, it doesn't matter, it is all part of the fan, get-a - life thing.
I was going through some threads I have missed in the past, and I faced a very serious problem: Since some of them have very specific topics, I looked for info in them and I dare say that I struggled to get some "juice" from a 15 pages thread. So many replies and off topic subjects, (like this one I am now writing) that must seem fun at the very moment when you are passionate, but rather "cover" the information and the topic completely. Spending an hour to find something that it turns out was never there to begin with, is very annoying. I used search but you have to know the key words to be useful, and you can't know them until you have found them.
Maybe we should start a small talk (but big words ;D ) thread (or open a dialog box somewhere in the page) to use as a common messenger thing for such ephemera.
Anyone has suggestions on how to solve this problem?
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I might think about it.
Maybe we should give him some time. I remember listening to the first few shows from the US in 2010 and I was also not very convinced, especially about Border Reiver... But I still think today's clips are showing MK in a not too good state.. have been heard much better... And boy, when this Shakespeare
story comes up AGAIN, I felt like :smack :smack :smack :smack... is he really serious? And all told in this sleepy manner... I think they are partying too much and should get focused more on the real thing... ;D
LE
Yeah, this theatre thing comes up again and am I the only one who thinks it sounds a little pompous? I mean does he really want to relate to his fans by assuming we all go to watch Shakespeare plays every week!
there were new comments too, i liked how he introduced the band, and again, i do not go for the funny texts in between, i go for the music. and yes, i gotta agree with whoever mentioned this higher up, one day we are all so excited and the next day someone starts moaning and all join.
and who the eff is talking about a piss pot recording here? Soomlos is the best around.
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Love Expresso: of course you can have your own opinion. This forum is free :P
Its just sad to read comments about MKs performance based on piss poor recordings with terrible sound.. That is my opinion.. ;D
Whatever our opinion about this concert, this is not the recording's fault.
It is really as good as an audience recording can be, done with highly professional material by a chap who seems to really know what he is doing. Look at the details in the torrent, this guy does not hesitate to go to a concert with a pair of hifi mics + a protable pre-amplifier + a state of the art digital recorder ! Only a soundboard could beat this... And even then, a good audience recording, reproducing faithfully what the recorder heard in the concert, can be better than a badly mixed soundboard...
So the technology is not at fault... let's focus on the music.... :)
I am downloading the second show now from dimeadozen !! let's compare !!
the guy recorded more BD but also MK concerts then most of us have even been to, so pls stop with this bashing, there is no better one out there then Soomlos, (litterally hundreds and hundreds of shows recorded, ALL over the world.)
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Maybe I have bad quality loudspeakers then...
Did not mean any harm. Great to have the recording anyway.
It was great to hear Yon Two Crows despite the bad sound quality..
Good night fellows
YTC was bad on the youtube vid, THAT IS NOT SOOMLOS' REC.
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I might think about it.
Maybe we should give him some time. I remember listening to the first few shows from the US in 2010 and I was also not very convinced, especially about Border Reiver... But I still think today's clips are showing MK in a not too good state.. have been heard much better... And boy, when this Shakespeare
story comes up AGAIN, I felt like :smack :smack :smack :smack... is he really serious? And all told in this sleepy manner... I think they are partying too much and should get focused more on the real thing... ;D
LE
Yeah, this theatre thing comes up again and am I the only one who thinks it sounds a little pompous? I mean does he really want to relate to his fans by assuming we all go to watch Shakespeare plays every week!
there were new comments too, i liked how he introduced the band, and again, i do not go for the funny texts in between, i go for the music. and yes, i gotta agree with whoever mentioned this higher up, one day we are all so excited and the next day someone starts moaning and all join.
and who the eff is talking about a piss pot recording here? Soomlos is the best around.
I recommend those who are depressed to go and listen the second show.
No YTC :( but Redbud Tree was significantly better than Winnipeg, IMHO.
I also listened to HFB but found it pretty similar to Winnipeg (ok, but not the best ever).
STP has a bit more interesting drumming than last year I think, it seems that Ian progressed on it (although it still prefer Danny's drumming by far).
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vgonis, I think a lot about this too, even if it doesn't seem so. But at this (# concert) threads I think the most imporant thing is the first post with set list info and hopefully some reviews from those who attended the particular gig.... I too have had problems to find all those YouTube clips, took me a while to go through all these posts today. But every single one has its right to exist.
You never can take out personality out of a discussion forum... and when you post, you drop your trousers in a way and make yourself attackable... and people that are "only" viewing and reading and not posting have their opinions about it. Direct dialouge between two members can be boring for others but has to be done - it sometimes reveals precious insights for everyone else
Pottel, read it again. I came home from work late, went through all the posts and listened to two YouTube clips and didn't like them. dmg had his problems with the show also, I would not call that "someone starts moaning and all join"... just for the record...
LE
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- Ian Thomas playing is growing better and better
- Yon two crows is absolutly dissapointing until the end of the song. They should work a little more in the rest of the song because it sounds so empty with 8 musicians on stage...
- Again the McBeth joke... I dont know if say I
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hey LE., you know me...
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...yeah and proud of it.... ;D
First show has all possibilities to grow in every little detail...
I never understood really why everyone is so keen to go to the first show of a tour - apart from the first hand setlist surprises experience... But Amsterdam 2008 for example was pretty lame (in my opinion) compared to what came later on the t o u r ... same with 2010... so who knows what comes up in November. Would love to hear the latest Marbletown, that one that Guy referred to in his diary, from Seattle...
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Pottel man it is like s e x . One minute you are exited and the next minute you want to get the hell out. ;) The problem is that both feelings are actually true and real and can co-exist.
LE thanks for the reply. I have thought of many of your fine points and that is why I suggested an ephemera thread. It will catch the thrill of the moment and keep it there in writing, but won't mess with the specific topics. It is more a matter of time and nerves breaking, when you look for something after some time! ;D But I only suggested it, knowing that it is rather trivial for most of us, that consider music serious fan and spend time talking to people in AMIT.
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regina is nice. not sure yet if i prefer it to winnipeg..let'S wait for vancouver or seattle..
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regina is nice. not sure yet if i prefer it to winnipeg..let'S wait for vancouver or seattle..
I found Redbud tree to be nicer than Winnipeg, STP to be better than last year, and the rest pretty standard; what did you think ?
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here an mp3 version of winnipeg over on ER:
http://www.expectingrain.com/discussions/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=72493
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redbud tree is BETTER in Regina
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All right, that's it, time to stand up for Mark! Yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion whether it is negative or positive, but are you sure you guys are really fans? What a load of negative crap about these live performances. First of all, you guys haven't actually seen a show yet this tour have you. These live songs kick ass, and are all even better than the album versions. I seriously don't know what you guys expect. Maybe Justin Beiber has a concert coming up soon that you might want to check out.
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All right, that's it, time to stand up for Mark! Yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion whether it is negative or positive, but are you sure you guys are really fans? What a load of negative crap about these live performances. First of all, you guys haven't actually seen a show yet this tour have you. These live songs kick ass, and are all even better than the album versions. I seriously don't know what you guys expect. Maybe Justin Beiber has a concert coming up soon that you might want to check out.
That is a ridiculous thing to say. Because one is critical doesn't me he isn't a fan..
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All right, that's it, time to stand up for Mark! Yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion whether it is negative or positive, but are you sure you guys are really fans? What a load of negative crap about these live performances. First of all, you guys haven't actually seen a show yet this tour have you. These live songs kick ass, and are all even better than the album versions. I seriously don't know what you guys expect. Maybe Justin Beiber has a concert coming up soon that you might want to check out.
That's the right attitude. Bravo. And it's spelled "Bieber".
:disbelief
LE
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All right, that's it, time to stand up for Mark! Yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion whether it is negative or positive, but are you sure you guys are really fans? What a load of negative crap about these live performances. First of all, you guys haven't actually seen a show yet this tour have you. These live songs kick ass, and are all even better than the album versions. I seriously don't know what you guys expect. Maybe Justin Beiber has a concert coming up soon that you might want to check out.
Good morning Communique! I have been wondering about the status of my fan ship for quite some time now, because I tend to be more critical about Mark and his songs. There are several factors that we have to take into consideration. They are written jokingly of course (don't be offended) but with a dose of truth just for good measure. Thank you for lifting my spirits . ;D
1.We are, too, getting old and grumpy
2.Our perception of time is changing since we realize we have less time, thus we get more critical about things because we don't have much to waste in anything less than perfect.
3.We have gone a long way since the DS days and heard and learnt a lot more so we became more choosy.
4.We reminiscent the good old days (or maybe we haven't grown at all) and all these new songs and directions seem Greek to us, and for the Greeks seem Chinese.
5.The songs are weaker and even the fan status can not help us with it. And by the way where is the guitar we were all promised?
6.The definition of fan has changed. It means the Bieber fans that go out and buy everything that even bares the name Bieber, go to his sync lip - dance concerts, scream and faint at his sight and throw him our wet underpants, before he even sings a note and dream of him night and day until the next replacement comes along. Since fan is a derivative from fanatics, it actually means that the logic is eclipsed and passion and unquestioning faith has taken its place. But Mark doesn't want this. So repeat after me:"We are all unique people with free spirit and mind and we will not repeat what anybody says"
6.We are unable to remove the label "fan" from our foreheads and lives because we still buy and listen to his music, spend so much time discussing it in forums like this, but we actually do it, so fellow fans like you come forward and prove their loyalty to the man.
7.It is music man. We chose this kind of setting to spend our lives, rather than discussing football or cars or women (no offense ladies, we don't discuss about you, not because you don't worth it but because you would be able to read it and it would be embarrassing) .
8.Does the length of this post proves I am a fan, or just an fool wasting his time?
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Well written and said.
I am really astonished why I am attacked and offended since yesterday, only because I said I don't like these two YouTube clips??
Not allowed here? Should I re-think what I thought about Terry and MKNews and think that the worst thing that can happen to you
are totally intolerant and so-called "fans" and political correctness disciples? If I am not allowed to say what I like and don't like ABOUT MARK'S MUSIC, I think I better leave. And if I address a post to dmg in the hope that he gets my humour, it would be fine that anyone attacking me keeps this in mind before he/she recommends me to go to a Justin Bieber show...
I had to get this off my chest, sorry for making this thread uninteresting for all the FANS out there...
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Hi Love Expresso !
Your comment are always welcome and they are often right ! as a fan, I just agree with you, those first version are not totaly elaborated well ! they need more work to be "Magic" !
and what will be this forum without your comment ! I'm sure it's just little storm that will go away ! don't worry.
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Hi Love Expresso,
Given yout last post I have to tell you a few things:
please know that the thoughts you post here are really treasured!
Although I listen to and think about Mark's music almost every day and dig into it really deep, the insights and ideas you come up with on this forum are so enriching and broaden my MK-horizon very much (above all your contributions about the meaning of Mark's songs and words)!
And when you post an opinion that I do not share (like for instance your thoughts on the thread "Privateering after a month") I give your point of view a special amount of thinking, because to me it is clear that everything you say has a valid point that is worth to discover.
In fact you are among those core members who make this forum so unique, so interesting and so enjoyable!
So please: you may enjoy as many of Justin's shows as you like, but please don't even think about stopping to post here!
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Strange thing...
I always burn my flacs files into cd directly with nero, and always worked as I have the correct plugin for this, but this time the cd only have very noisy noises!!!!
I tried to convert the flac files into wav with the nero decoder, that always worked for me in both ways, and again, the result is more noisy noises!!!!
I wonder if thats because of the audio format of the flacs made by soomlos... I mean the bitrate, as I never had this problem before...
Any help?
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Hi Jbaent. I had the same problem with both MK Canada releases. They seem to have a decode fault. I tried 4 different methods to either copy or convert, then tried "Trader's little helper" and was able to convert them to wav for burning to disc. I chose the highest quality settings and seems ok. I will confirm later. I'm taking Mk to bed tonight... ::) I knew you'd think the worst..... :think
SL1
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Thanks for the great job you are doing with the daily concert update pages :clap :thumbsup
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I tried 4 convertors to get it into MP3 and the only one that worked was called Boxoft.
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Well written and said.
I am really astonished why I am attacked and offended since yesterday, only because I said I don't like these two YouTube clips??
Not allowed here? Should I re-think what I thought about Terry and MKNews and think that the worst thing that can happen to you
are totally intolerant and so-called "fans" and political correctness disciples? If I am not allowed to say what I like and don't like ABOUT MARK'S MUSIC, I think I better leave. And if I address a post to dmg in the hope that he gets my humour, it would be fine that anyone attacking me keeps this in mind before he/she recommends me to go to a Justin Bieber show...
I had to get this off my chest, sorry for making this thread uninteresting for all the FANS out there...
LE
Just say what you think LE and be proud! Everyone else should remember that we are all on the same side here and just want a great, well performing Mark. So let's just get together on this and maybe there is hope for the upcoming concerts or 2013 tour whatever your opinion is. :)
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This converter to mp3 works fine!
And it's fast too!
http://www.flac-mp3.org/flac-to-mp3.html
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Same problem here, trying to burn it with toast titanium with my old Mac. After track 3 I could listen to the tracks but muffled like having bad earplugs.
It is a shame to downgrade to mp3 and then burn it to CD but if there is no other way.
I will give trader's little helper a go. Thanks SL1!
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Same problem here, trying to burn it with toast titanium with my old Mac. After track 3 I could listen to the tracks but muffled like having bad earplugs.
It is a shame to downgrade to mp3 and then burn it to CD but if there is no other way.
I will give trader's little helper a go. Thanks SL1!
I use K Kitchen with my Mac. A very simple, free app.
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Just listened to the videos above, and I both disagree and agree.
Redbud Tree is marvellous (one of my favourites anyway), and whoever said that it sounded exactly as on the album should maybe think about getting a new pair of ears?
On Miss You Blues I agree - plain boring. Even more boring than on the album, which is saying something.
Yon Two Crows, another personal favourite, I like a lot.
So overall, I'm very happy. He plays his new songs (which can't be taken for granted, see Krusty), and a lot of them. He doesn't look back. And the one song I don't really like is the one I don't like anyway.
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Hi Jbaent. I had the same problem with both MK Canada releases. They seem to have a decode fault. I tried 4 different methods to either copy or convert, then tried "Trader's little helper" and was able to convert them to wav for burning to disc. I chose the highest quality settings and seems ok. I will confirm later. I'm taking Mk to bed tonight... ::) I knew you'd think the worst..... :think
SL1
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Thanks for the great job you are doing with the daily concert update pages :clap :thumbsup
Thank for both comments ;)
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Hi Love Expresso,
Given yout last post I have to tell you a few things:
please know that the thoughts you post here are really treasured!
Although I listen to and think about Mark's music almost every day and dig into it really deep, the insights and ideas you come up with on this forum are so enriching and broaden my MK-horizon very much (above all your contributions about the meaning of Mark's songs and words)!
And when you post an opinion that I do not share (like for instance your thoughts on the thread "Privateering after a month") I give your point of view a special amount of thinking, because to me it is clear that everything you say has a valid point that is worth to discover.
In fact you are among those core members who make this forum so unique, so interesting and so enjoyable!
So please: you may enjoy as many of Justin's shows as you like, but please don't even think about stopping to post here!
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As if I would really ever leave....what should I do the whole day instead... ;D BUT THANK YOU for your very kind words... I lost your bank information so if you could send them I will assign the promised sum... :lol :lol
Now I am off and try to download that Guitar Stories stuff... seems to be worth the effort...
LE
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Listening while I write, halfway though. Man his voice is breaking much too often on high notes or one breath efforts. And lots of audible guitar mistakes even to untrained ears. But there is excitement and a more relaxed feeling that , almost, makes up for these loses. As, I said, maybe it is too early to judge the album and the songs, but many songs really gain much from the production in the studio and they are bound to lose it in live concerts, unless they come up with different arrangements and ideas.
Thank you Soomlos, for this recording!
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Take a step back guys, voicing different opinions is good, we don't want to turn this place into an "MK is god" snoozefest like expecting rain ;)
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.... But mark is god dusty, what are you saying?
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This place is filled with heresy Pottel. Maybe it is time we called the Spanish inquisition! Purify with fire and exterminate these abominations that dare speak of the only true God, as he was a simple yet wealthy guitarist from Newcastle upon Tyne.
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Hail hail!
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I can't understand what Mark talks to the audience before Redbut Tree.
When an actor come out and says...?
Can anybody help me?
Greetz,
Tom
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I can't understand what Mark talks to the audience before Redbut Tree.
When an actor come out and says...?
Can anybody help me?
Greetz,
Tom
Hi Tom,
It has become a standard thing from Mark when they play certain songs. The thought behind it, is that we some people just take it for granted that artists just get up on stage and perform, mistake free every time. He compares his own band with that of a Shakespearian theatre group. When he says the actor comes out and says
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Hi,
thanks for your fast answer now it becomes clear to me! :)
Have a nice weekend!
Greetz,
Tom
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I tried 4 convertors to get it into MP3 and the only one that worked was called Boxoft. use xflip (http://www.xflip.com) to add background music in MP3 to your digital publication easily.
We are much obliged to you for your sharing. That's cool I know, that's really cool.
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I tried 4 convertors to get it into MP3 and the only one that worked was called Boxoft.
well, you may use xflip flip book software (http://www.xflip.com) to create online flipping page with background music/sound in mp3 files format.
Thank you so very much for sharing your information with me.
I learnt a lot from the speech and the vivid discussion!