A Mark In Time
Previous Tours => 2012 Mark Knopfler & Bob Dylan Tour => Topic started by: surferboy on October 22, 2012, 10:51:18 AM
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Dear fellow AMITers,
I have to get off my heart what makes me a little sad about this tour.
MK has done every contribution and compromise possible on his side to make this double header tour with the man he admires so much a good one:
he interrupted and postponed the recording of his album instead of suggesting a time frame when both artists would be free, he more than humbly accepted to go on stage first and leave Bob the prime spot (instead of interchanging every night), he then accepted to play a 70 minute set whereas Bob plays almost 90min. He thanks Bob during the shows for inviting him on "this little trip" whereas there is no word from Bob except at the last London show in 2011. And by agreeing to "open" for him in the US this year again, Mark relinquished his own US/Canada Tour plans for 2013!
From the diaries we konw, there is more going on behind the scenes, a good example beeing the soundcheck arrogance. Bob's soundcheck starts at 4pm and MK has only 30min at 6pm before doors open at 6.30pm. Also the use of the word "support act" is a more than offending term with respect to MK.
I know that this is standard BD behaviour when it comes to double bill tours with him (there are artists who never saw/met him during a joint tour), but Bob does know very well that Mark is far from being a second class support act. It hurts me because it hurts and offends Mark, the whole band and not to forget the US fans who will miss out on a proper full set Privateering Tour.
My thoughts are not so much meant as a Bob bashing but more as an expression of compassion with the MK camp, who try to make the best of this situation for the fans and for themselves and as an expression of the missed unique musical opportunities that the playing together of these two musical geniuses would be.
How do you feel about it?
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Very well said. I wouldn't worry about it though because Mark and the band keep each other good company and are clever enough to know it's only Krusty showing himself up. I always say treat others as you would like to be treated and Mark does that in his shows by mentioning Krusty. If that isn't reciprocated then it throws a bad light on only one man.
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I agree with both of you. And I really think the MK-camp doesn't care much about it. They are gentleman and I can imagine them having a good laugh about this situation every now and then when driving by bus or sitting in the plane.
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MK may not be the messiah or even a naughty boy, but he is certainly old enough to understand what's the deal and more present than us to the whole situation, to have the whole picture. So even though looks to get - a - lifers , but always outside people like us, can seem hurtful, I believe that we don't even know the truth or a two dimension version of it. It is an interesting topic however, because it reveals the real nice set of ethics AMITers have! So my 1 cent is that the issues mentioned could be valid.
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Any respect I had for Krusty has gone. Just a total oddball.
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Dylan is Dylan - i wouldn
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What is your evidence that Bob has been disrespectful to Mark on this tour?
These are simply your perceptions and you can surely state them here but they are just that and nothing more - perceptions. They seem to represent your own expectations rather than anything that is based in solid fact.
You could be right but I don't know and I suspect you don't know either. If you do have any inside knowledge, then please let us all know. I, for one, would very interested to learn.
I know I am addressing people who feel that Mark is "arrogant" and "stubborn" for not meeting their expectations in choosing to play what he wants to play in concert rather than what they would like to hear him play. That is more your problem than Mark's, I would suggest.
I am not saying that Dylan is above criticism (and he has certainly made decisions and taken courses of action that perplex me - and other Dylan fans, too) but there is simply no obligation on him to meet anyone else when on tour. Meeting people on tour or not doesn't make Dylan a nice person or otherwise, nor does it make him a good person or not. He has earned the respect of this writer ...
http://www.nctimes.com/entertainment/music/bob-dylan-at-like-a-rolling-stone/article_6148284f-fcfe-5946-a33a-25005404f742.html
... and, IMHO, he has earned the respect of many others - Mark included. That is fact!
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Just because MK respects Dylan doesnt change my opinion that he appears to be a strange unlikeable man. Not the sort of person I would look up to, or for inspiration. Maybe fifty years in showbiz has frizzled more than his hair. I knew little about Emmylou Harris before her collaboration with MK. She carried herself with total dignity and came across as a nice person.
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twm, I have always read with interest your contributions to this forum bringing a Dylan fan perspective to it.
It is not quite clear to me why you are asking for facts concerning Bob's rather disrespectful behavior towards MK.
I have named quite a few in my above post and if you are a reader of Guy's diary and his q&a forum it is simply not possible to not sense the puzzlement that is going on.
What else e.g. except arrogance and disregard is behind the daily soundcheck ritual that Bob is giving to one of the most respected guitarists and song writers in the world in leaving him, his band and crew just a few minutes of soundcheck time whereas he himself takes for his band all the time in the world. It is only due to the best of manners of our two diary writers that they do not call it for what it really is.
And it is good of Banjo to mention Emmy in this context. When Mark toured with her in 2006 and she was the one to be invited by Mark, the tour diary shows that she was treated like a queen. And she herself said during the tour, that the album and tour with Mark were her reward for 40 years of honest work in the music business. That's the way to treat an accomplished musician when you invite him to tour with you. It is unthinkable of BD to show just a glimpse of this kind of behavior.
twm, I do in no way question the outstanding musical genius of BD but his behavior is nothing else than ill.
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It is not a question of whether Dylan is a nice person or not. I have no idea. Certainly, people I know who have met him in person say he is polite and pleasant. I dare say others will say differently. The question is whether he has been disrespectful to Mark
Dylan was arranging a tour and invited Mark to support him on that tour. The period set aside for the tour would have been clear at the time the invitation was made. Mark was free to accept or not. There was no pressure on him to do so and certainly no obligation. The conditions relating to the tour (who played first and who played second, the rough time span for each performance, the money side and so on) would have been specified beforehand and, at some stage in the process, a formal contract would have been drawn up and signed by both of them or their authorised agents. There was likely to have been some (what we call in Britain) "to-ing and fro-ing" between both sides - a bit of negotiation and bargaining, before a deal was struck. A tour like this simply doesn't take place because two artists have a chat some time and think it would be a good idea. Whatever deal was struck, Dylan would have kept to his side (and Mark to his).
Whether Mark was preparing to record an album or to tour on his own account is irrelevant. He accepted the invitation and evevrything that goes with it.
In respect of Mark touring the USA on his own in support of PRIVATEERING, the album hasn't even been released there. Unlike Dylan, Mark generally tends not to tour other than when he has an album to promote, so I doubt he will go out on his own in the States until the record company problem is resolved. That's not a criticism and I would love to be proved wrong but it's just the way he does things. Dylan, on the other hand, by the end of this year, will have done something like 2600 concerts since 1986 and tours whether there's a new album out or not. Personally, I wish he had done fewer and had conserved his voice more but that's the way he does things. As I've said before, two performers, both good, who go about things in different ways.
So, Dylan hasn't acknowledged Mark during the concerts. Good grief, sometimes he doesn't even mention his band members by name. It may be a showbiz convention but it's not set in stone. Dylan just doesn't do that sort of stuff very often. He doesn't turn in a standard set of patter every time. He doesn't tell the same jokes every night. As I say, the two men are different - that's what makes it an interesting combination.
I don't read Guy's Q&A page very much at all (probably haven't looked at it in over 6 months) but I do look at the tour diaries every now and then. If you read the details, you will see that the timings of the two bands' travel arrangements are different.
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At the very least, it would be good manners, though, to give a "thank you" in return to MK for joining him on the tour, don't you think, twm?
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I tend to agree with twm, for one reason only: If I was MK (humble and modest), and had this respect for Dylan, and was given the chance to play as support group, and meet him before or after the gigs and travel with him and be invited on stage to play on some songs (OK not at this tour) and so forth, I wouldn't care for the formalities of saying thank yous from stage. As I have said before MK is not a little boy, he can take care of himself, and knows the drill. I wouldn't even bother to jump into conclusions, because there is no point in it, other than discussing it with fellow get-a-lifers. Of course, if the facts about rehearsal times are correct, it is a bit troubling and might explain some of the first performances, but I wouldn't go as far as interpreting it as Dylan looking down on our man.
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I also tend to agree with twm. If MK didn't like what was involved in touring with BD when he did it in Europe last year, he was under no obligation to repeat the experience. Having said which it would seem at least common courtesy for Bob at least to introduce himself to Guy and the rest of the band at some point. They will have spent a lot of time on the road 'together' by the end of this tour.
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BDs new album is fine. His voice is audible and you can clearly hear the lyrics without any aid. Why, oh why then his live recordings suffer so much? Maybe he had said thanks to our man, but we are unable to understand what he is saying... ;D
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Over the years, superval, I have written quite a few articles about Dylan and I have always tried really hard to give credit where credit is due. I regard that as right and proper. I also try to be respectful and mannerly in the way contribute to this forum and to express my views clearly and strongly without being unnecessarily rude or unpleasant. So, you will not be surprised if I say that, had I become a performer and toured like Dylan, it is quite likely that I would have acknowledged all those touring with me. You and I may (indeed, do) regard that as "manners". I can only say that, if Dylan doesn't do it, it isn't out of disrespect for whoever is the support act.
Dylan has been known to "cold shoulder" people but he probably gets pestered and pursued a lot more than most other people. On the other hand, when meeting others, he is also known to be polite and pleasant, as I've said before - and I'm talking of people he has no need or particular reason to be polite with or pleasant to.
All his life, people have told him what they think he should do and how they think he should behave, the most famous (or perhaps infamous) being the "playing electric at a folk festival" in 1965 and the "Judas" incident of 1966. But it happened before then and it has continued since then. He has simply ploughed his own furrow. I don't always like what I see and what I hear (both on-stage and off-stage) but he does it his way.
Oh a false clock tries to tick out my time
To disgrace, distract, and bother me
And the dirt of gossip blows into my face
And the dust of rumors covers me
But if the arrow is straight
And the point is slick
It can pierce through dust no matter how thick
So I
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Im sure MK is happy with the whole set up as he has known Dylan a long time. I wonder if Dylans band have been allowed to meet MK. If so, I hope they kept to the protocal, no eye contact, no touching and under no circumstances say anything.
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We all (or should all) have our tickets to Europe, but is he going to be Stateside at all during 2013?
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I appreciate twm's loyalty to BD. I am impressed with that, and thank him for his perspective on this thread. However, I also must agree with those who comment on his reclusiveness and his inaccessibility, not even so much to his fans. MK was inaccessible during his Get Lucky tour, and we all knew why. Like twm's explanation, MK was not feeling well at all that tour. Yet he went on night after night. We just did not see the casual relaxed MK that we have in the past. Boy did we see that in Sacramento. It was a joy to watch him thoroughly enjoying his set and his musicians.
I don't expect anything of BD except credit where credit is due to the star of this tour. Last fall and this fall, for the most part, it was as if two different acts just happened to coincide and be fit onto the same stage the same night. After Dylan's last disasterous tour and his rudeness to his audience then, he needed MK to pull in the tickets. My sister and brother in law, who is a Dylan fan also went. My brother in law was disillusioned with Dylan--disappointed after being a lifetime Dylan fan. And MK made a new fan of my sister. Normally reticent in her praise, she was enthusiastic.
And even so, Dylan's fans are Dylan's fans, and I give them that respect. MK's fans are MK's fans, and they are seeing a vibrant and enthusiastic Mark Knopfler this tour in the US.
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Oh come on girls, we know nothing, god knows what those dinosaurs are up to in their spare time? And as we know nothing all you can do, both sides, is making unfounded assumptions. Again, on last tour 1 hour a day was spent between mark and bob, and not the band, coz it is mark that bob knows and mark with a hired band that he takes on tour. If mark would not have wanted to do so coz he had such (just theoretical!) bad experiences with bob aka Krispy, then trust me, he would not have done it again, we all know how stubborn he can be.
I understand all your feelings, but I really think you are overreaction based on assumptions.
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twm, I have never found you in the least disrespectful, rude or unpleasant on this forum and I always enjoy reading your posts - even the Bob related ones! ;) I was purely expressing my feelings about Bob. Every evening on stage, Mark thanks Bob for inviting him on his tour -all Bob needs to say is "Thanks Mark for joining me" - it only takes a couple of seconds and is a mark of respect.
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both sides of the argument are based on assumptions which is why its unwinnable, but if you cant bash the Bob here where can you?
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Huh? I made zero assumptions, just that surfer boys statements are assumptions and we all know nothing...
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I would like to add that TWM is an excellent contributor, your posts are always intelligent unlike mine. Its quite daunting having a joust with you, especially on your chosen subject.
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Loseeeeeuuuhhhhrrrr! ;)
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I have no idea what Bob's behavior towards MK is like on this tour, but I would say that the people posting in this thread are probably the only ones who care about it.
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I have no idea what Bob's behavior towards MK is like on this tour, but I would say that the people posting in this thread are probably the only ones who care about it.
nope. Couldn't care less....
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I have no idea what Bob's behavior towards MK is like on this tour, but I would say that the people posting in this thread are probably the only ones who care about it.
nope. Couldn't care less....
I couldnt give a monkeys really, just passing the time with a bit of bob bashing.
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Surferboy does, and I like this thread, so it is a pleasure to give my two pennies, too:
I might add (to the very first post of surferboy), that it seems to me that it was clear from the very beginning that MK was "just" support act - therefore it seemed only natural to me that Bob had more stage time than Mark. I think Mark has done a lot of things in the past, and made a lot of decisions, to keep his profile low. He COULD have written real hits, being played on every radio station, he COULD have made video clips and all this stuff... but he wants it exactly the way it is right now. And touring with Bob it seems offers the perfect way for him to do what he wants best: Playing live, maybe having less pressure than with hisown full tour, having a great band and just play. And above all it is Bob, his all time favourite and idol, so I guess Mark did not think too long about this decision.
After all: Mark's respect for Bob can be seen in the fact alone that he does it. Guy Fletcher has his own opinion as a hired musician, and as Guy is the man with the tour diary, it is only natural that we tend to take over his observations and feelings. But maybe Mark has a totally other view - as Pottel stated. He is surely not one for waiting at the doorstep and see when for heaven's sake Bob will turn up. It's what it is. ;)
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In the end, if Mark is happy, then that's all that matters! :)
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Pottel it is just semantics, but you assume that none of us has real knowledge! ;D
OK, just a little joke here to break the ice:
I read an add yesterday, saying:
" A 53 volume set of the Larousse Britannica encyclopedia is given away to anyone that cares to come and pick it up. I just got married and my wife knows everything"
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I'm quite touched by some of the comments above. Thank you.
I may be perceived as "loyal" to Dylan and it's true that Dylan has provided a great deal of "sustenance" in my life but it isn't blind loyalty, I assure you. I do try to keep a perspective but I also try to see the good in musical offerings. And I enjoy lots of other music, too.
I also "enjoy", in a perverse way, some of the criticisms of Dylan. As it happens, not so long ago, I gathered together a collection of reviews of his second U.K. single, Subterranean Homesick Blues", not from the British music papers but from regional newspapers around the country. I might submit them to ISIS for a "spread" some day. Some of the reviews were quite positive but some, like this little lot, were not:
(1) I'm not kidding, until I listened carefully, I thought he was singing in German,
(2) This week it is at No.15; musically it doesn't deserve to be in the top thousand,
(3) Typical of the trash out this week is the new song by Bob Dylan "Subterranean Prison Blues" [sic],
(4) It is difficult to know if he made this record as a straight song or just to see if anybody would be silly enough to buy it,
(5) The feature side turns out to be a very commercial beater with a lyric that sounds like bad Swahili for all you can understand of it.
As I said in another thread, when it comes to criticism of Dylan, I've heard it all before. These were from 1965 (4 years into what turned out to be a 50-year career). You have to laugh, sometimes.
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Wow, talk about signs of genius in retrospect. Only art ahead of its time gets such reviews (also crap art gets the same reviews but nobody cares to revive them after 50 years). Thanks twm.
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Pottel it is just semantics, but you assume that none of us has real knowledge! ;D
OK, just a little joke here to break the ice:
I read an add yesterday, saying:
" A 53 volume set of the Larousse Britannica encyclopedia is given away to anyone that cares to come and pick it up. I just got married and my wife knows everything"
LOL! I think that I would have to pass on that one. ;D
As far as the whole 'invite to play' thing goes...it's quite possible that Mark decided not to do it...maybe he just wanted to spend more time on this tour with his bandmates. After all...he did just write a song a few months back about how much he loves touring with these guys.
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And, superval, I was very happy with Mark! That matters to me! :) And what else matters is that both these artists have super loyal fans, a testament to their genius. See you in May, I hope! All Mark on that tour! (Unless BD wants to open for him. :) Don't nobody get mad now. Meant in fun.)
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And, superval, I was very happy with Mark! That matters to me! :) And what else matters is that both these artists have super loyal fans, a testament to their genius. See you in May, I hope! All Mark on that tour! (Unless BD wants to open for him. :) Don't nobody get mad now. Meant in fun.)
Hi IrisRose! I'm glad you enjoyed the show and that MK is on good form! I'm really looking forward to meeting you next year too, after all this time - see you in May! :)
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twm, I have never found you in the least disrespectful, rude or unpleasant on this forum and I always enjoy reading your posts - even the Bob related ones! ;) I was purely expressing my feelings about Bob. Every evening on stage, Mark thanks Bob for inviting him on his tour -all Bob needs to say is "Thanks Mark for joining me" - it only takes a couple of seconds and is a mark of respect.
I second that. Krusty seems to be a strange person to me, not doing soundcheck with his band, not saying hi to the band who is in the same venue every night. Just nothing. To me it's not a normal behavior. Sure, the why is all guessing but still it's not polite and I really think it's strange. That we know about it is thanks to the diaries. That it's mentioned there looks like they have their thoughts about it too
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In the end it's Mark's decision to play on this tour.
I am enjoying it, and it appears he is too.
I dont begrudge Dylan as the headline act.
I dont sense any ill feelings from Mark to Bob, or else he would have ended the tour in Europe,
and not come back out for NA.
You have to remember Bob was one of MK's heros.
So it would be like me getting invited to tour with MK as the opening act.
I prob wouldnt care much if I got invited on stage.
MK also is not sticking around to see and hear all of Bobs shows,
due to scheduling.
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Guy wrote in his latest diary:
Bob's band arrived at roughly the same time as us and we greet them in our usual friendly manner. They really are lovely guys and we share many laughs and chats backstage in our respective dressing rooms.
Maybe he is reading our comments secretly ;) and this is his answer .
So Bob`s Band is friendly and maybe Bob is too... we shouldn`t judge about him...just my opinion...
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Well, trying to read Bob's mind is interesting (and somtimes even fun), but we'll hardly ever succeed at it. Last night, he seems to have invited his former guitarist Freddy Koella to play two songs. Something not even the most die-hard Dylan fan would have expected. I remember that when Koella left the band in 2004 or when it was, people were saying he was kicked out rudely and that Bob simply couldn't stand him anymore. Now we know that there was hardly any truth in that. You just never know what's on Bob's mind (and sometimes I have the feeling that he doesn't know, either, just read his Rolling Stone interview ...) He's known to be strange and difficult, that's what he's famous for.
He must have a lot of respect for Mark, though, otherwise he would never have invited him on stage last year. He didn't do that with other artists that toured with him in the past. Actually, Bob was showing more respect for Mark than for any other musician in the world!
And regarding Mark's interview earlier this year, where he said that he and Bob would chat during soundchecks: I can't imagine Bob taking offense or even reading this (as some people on Expecting Rain suppose). He must have a reason not to invite Mark at the moment, yes, but I don't think this is it. Whatever it is, he may change his mind anytime, like he changed his mind about so many things, all his life.
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I D'ONT WANT THEM TO PLAY TOGETHER !
I maybe wrong, but it seems to me like it is the opposite... With the presence of Mark, Bob is promoting his album and Mark is helping the old man selling some !
It is just perfect like that... it's over now, it was another time, another place !
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Guy wrote in his latest diary:
Bob's band arrived at roughly the same time as us and we greet them in our usual friendly manner. They really are lovely guys and we share many laughs and chats backstage in our respective dressing rooms.
Maybe he is reading our comments secretly ;) and this is his answer .
So Bob`s Band is friendly and maybe Bob is too... we shouldn`t judge about him...just my opinion...
Old Indian proverb say: "never judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes."
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My two cents to this bucket of assumptions (all in conditional mode)...
Mark is more than happy of playing with BD. For him, it doesn't matter if Bob talks to him or not. It's all about music, all about playing with one of his greatest musical heroes.
Everything was previously arranged. The soundcheck schedule, the time on stage. Maybe even for some reason they decided that, this time, they would not play together at all. Commercial issues. Any hidden physical trouble with the troubadour. Both being tired of playing more than the time that was fixed. Or yet maybe Bob knew he would play in a totally diferent way even the well-known songs he didn't want to expose Mark to a non proposital error...
From the reviews, I tend to see that both are pleased with this tour. So, I think they made the arrangments and everything is going the way they wanted it to be.
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Mark is more than happy of playing with BD. For him, it doesn't matter if Bob talks to him or not. It's all about music, all about playing with one of his greatest musical heroes.
But the point is, that he's NOT playing with Bob or hearing Bob's set! Up to now, Mark plays his set, then he and the band go to the next venue whilst Bob is doing his set. Maybe now that they are staying in the LA area for a few days, that will change.
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I still hope it will happen again. Not because I think it makes much musical sense (honestly, I think that Bob's band works better without Mark; he'd have to spend much more time with them to really fit in). But just because I love to see the two greatest songwriters I know together. In that respect, last year was like a dream come true.
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I still hope it will happen again. Not because I think it makes much musical sense (honestly, I think that Bob's band works better without Mark; he'd have to spend much more time with them to really fit in). But just because I love to see the two greatest songwriters I know together. In that respect, last year was like a dream come true.
The thing is that if it happens, BD should had asked MK before the tour, and MK shoud had joined BD and his band for some rehearsals, and do the things like its meant to be.
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"Pat Garrett and Billy The Kid" is the film in which Dylan plays a character called "Alias". There's a scene, just after the shooting of Billy (played by Kris Kristofferson), when Garrett (James Coburn) shouts this to another character: "What you want and what you get are two different things".
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"Pat Garrett and Billy The Kid" is the film in which Dylan plays a character called "Alias". There's a scene, just after the shooting of Billy (played by Kris Kristofferson), when Garrett (James Coburn) shouts this to another character: "What you want and what you get are two different things".
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twm, I haven't seen the film, (though i've got it somewhere-moving 3 times in 5 years is really disorganizing) so i don't know the context it is told, but man this must be one of the most common phrases and feelings when you reach adulthood. And that is why it is so powerful, despite of or because of it is so damn true.
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Yes, indeed. "Want don't get" is a phrase sometimes said to fractious children. And I seem to recall the voice of Jagger intoning "You can't always get what you want". I just thought it might be fitting in a Dylan-related context.
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Of course if you analyze the Stones song, it is quite revolutionary and establishment at the same time.You can't ALWAYS get what you WANT, but if you try SOMETIMES you get what you NEED. It is not right somehow, if you catch my drift. They don't make sense when put together. But I guess they were looking for things to sound big, monumental and at the same time rhyme...
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Musically, the Stones are followers, not innovators, and, lyrically, not the most interesting of songwriters. I can recall Jagger on one of those "My Top Twelve"! radio programmes (I probably have it on cassette somewhere) and one of the songs he chose was Don Covay's "It's Better to Have and Don't Need (Than to Need and Don't Have)". I don't know if that song predates or postdates the Stones song that I mentioned but it is clearly a theme that attracts Jagger. [And the Stones were not revolutionary, just following a fashionable trend, IMHO]
And, a parting shot on the main topic here (well, perhaps a parting shot): it was Dylan who invited Mark to play on SLOW TRAIN COMING, it was Dylan who invited Mark to co-produce and play on INFIDELS and it was Dylan who first invited Mark to join him on-stage (in Australia in 1986). And it was Dylan who invited Mark to tour with him last year and Dylan who invited Mark to join him on-stage on that last tour. That's pretty much one-way traffic, as I see it.
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And, a parting shot on the main topic here (well, perhaps a parting shot): it was Dylan who invited Mark to play on SLOW TRAIN COMING, it was Dylan who invited Mark to co-produce and play on INFIDELS and it was Dylan who first invited Mark to join him on-stage (in Australia in 1986). And it was Dylan who invited Mark to tour with him last year and Dylan who invited Mark to join him on-stage on that last tour. That's pretty much one-way traffic, as I see it.
So what you're saying is that Dylan wouldn't be good enough for Mark to invite on any of his projects? I know exactly what you're saying but you can look at it from both sides. :)
I guess if Krusty was British we could say he was an eccentric and all would be explained, but the truth is we'll never know...
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And, a parting shot on the main topic here (well, perhaps a parting shot): it was Dylan who invited Mark to play on SLOW TRAIN COMING, it was Dylan who invited Mark to co-produce and play on INFIDELS and it was Dylan who first invited Mark to join him on-stage (in Australia in 1986). And it was Dylan who invited Mark to tour with him last year and Dylan who invited Mark to join him on-stage on that last tour. That's pretty much one-way traffic, as I see it.
So what you're saying is that Dylan wouldn't be good enough for Mark to invite on any of his projects? I know exactly what you're saying but you can look at it from both sides. :)
I guess if Krusty was British we could say he was an eccentric and all would be explained, but the truth is we'll never know...
Re all these issues, we don't know the exact truth, but one thing is for sure: it might not be arrogance from Bob, but it does look like it to outside persons like us. And since you're always as good as your reputation... at the very least, there is a big communication mistake.
I, too, think Mark is too modest and too nice. It is touching that he is considerate towards elder artists he admires...I really enjoyed him playing with (for ?) Paul McCartney in 1997; but there are limits. I remember an old 1988 interview where an (outspoken) friend of Mark's was teasing him because Mark refused to make fun of Bono the way his friend was (in the lines of "Oh, thanks to Bono we discovered that there is hunger on earth). This friend said "Mark would not even want to say anything bad about Hitler"; this is a tease obviously, but there is some truth in it.
I really hate this "support act" thing where I find it obvious that the so-called supporting act is the real show.
My own personal experience with this: Last year I attended Paris concert. I knew little about Bob, but I knew he was a legendary artist, who nearly got a nobel prize of litterature for his texts. I therefore came with a real open mind, no prejudice whatsoever. I had paid for this ticket anyway, I had good seats, I was just happy to be there and I prepared myself for a great show. Well, still, as opened as I was, Bob managed to kick me out of the venue. Yes, I left before the end, I just could not take it anymore. Loud sound to the point that I feared my ears would be permanently damaged. Unrecognizable words, with the best of attention. No interaction whatsoever with the audience. I started to look at my watch and think about train schedule to go home - something I had never done in a concert before.
Given that experience I find this "support act" thing all the more disgusting. Either there is synergy between both artists and you tour together on stage, like the nice Emmylou/MK 2006 tour; or you don't. But you don't say your tour together to ignore each other and steal a full length concert from the fans.
Sorry to be harsh, but this is how I feel.
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"Pat Garrett and Billy The Kid" is the film in which Dylan plays a character called "Alias". There's a scene, just after the shooting of Billy (played by Kris Kristofferson), when Garrett (James Coburn) shouts this to another character: "What you want and what you get are two different things".
great film
great music
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Actually, the title of this topic is "Bob's behaviour towards MK" and what you guys have been talking about is "respect" and "manners" (or, rather, bad manners and a lack of respect shown by Bob to Mark, as you perceive things). What I suggested was that it might be seen as the other way round. Anyone can say they respect someone else. Bob has shown his respect for Mark by his deeds - and quite a few times over the years at that.
Herlock, you're not being harsh. You're being honest.You gave your opinion and described what you did. However, the arguement that you didn't like Bob's performance last year is irrevelant to this topic. I might even agree with some of your comments but it is nothing whatsoever to do with Bob's behaviour towards Mark, real or imagined.
Similarly, the comparison with MK's tour with Emmylou is specious. Mark and Emmylou had made an album togther and, as is Mark's wont, they toured together in support of that album and they did interviews together, to promote its sales. There's nothing wrong with that but MK's tours with Dylan are a different matter entirely.
Not good enough for one of Mark's projects? Maybe but many artists would disagree. Do you really want me to list all such contribtutions? To other artists' albums? To "Various Artists" albums? To other artists' concerts that have become albums? I can assure you that the list is long and substantial. [And Dylan has helped both older and younger performers, both major stars and minor figures, up-and-coming artists ("relative unknowns") and those with long careers in the business]. Dylan has turned his hand to all sorts of different, widely varying and unusual projects with other people.
Dylan has also made kind comments about Bono. I happen to disagree with him but, then, I can only judge Bono by his public persona and I don't like what I see.
I know Ed Bicknell found Dylan strange to deal with (because he told me so) and maybe Dylan would be called an eccentric in Britain but I sense that his reputation is pretty good, on the whole.
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From Guy's forum today:
Q: I am sure Mark holds Bob in very high esteem. It would be nice if Bob would show some outward appreciation, you've mentioned that you were bothered by that a year ago when touring Europe. As you've said--that's Bob.
Guy: Mark does indeed regard Bob at the highest level but alas outward appreciation doesn't seem to be on the agenda for BD.
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However, the arguement that you didn't like Bob's performance last year is irrevelant to this topic. I might even agree with some of your comments but it is nothing whatsoever to do with Bob's behaviour towards Mark, real or imagined.
Similarly, the comparison with MK's tour with Emmylou is specious. Mark and Emmylou had made an album togther and, as is Mark's wont, they toured together in support of that album and they did interviews together, to promote its sales. There's nothing wrong with that but MK's tours with Dylan are a different matter entirely.
I believe my argument is relevant to the topic in the sense that I feel that there is no musical rationale as to why Mark would be the "supporting act". I could be advocated, if Bob's shows were obviously superior to Mark's ones. But many people, not only me, feel that it is in fact the exact opposite: Mark has aged well and his shows are great, whereas Bob... well, I said what I felt about Bob's shows. Anyway, whatever it is, there is no way there will be a consensus on the idea that Mark is way below bob and should be a little supporting act. That's all I meant.
Yes, MK/Dylan tour is totally different from Emmylou/MK one, and this is exactly my point - if there is nothing in common, if there is no album, no promo together, no sharing, no acknowledgement, no playing together, no even a thank you.... then why the hell this tour is for ? sharing costs of venues ??
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From Guy's forum today:
Q: I am sure Mark holds Bob in very high esteem. It would be nice if Bob would show some outward appreciation, you've mentioned that you were bothered by that a year ago when touring Europe. As you've said--that's Bob.
Guy: Mark does indeed regard Bob at the highest level but alas outward appreciation doesn't seem to be on the agenda for BD.
Guess that confirms alot of what we were assuming about BD. Not that it makes him a bad man, just odd.
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Maybe Bob has asked and MK refused, so that we have something to talk about here on AMIT. :D
Maybe Bob asked Mark on his albums because he (correctly) thought, MK was what he needed.
Maybe Bob, well, who cares. It is all about the music.
twm, did you get the email I sent yesterday?
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vgonis, the last e-mail I got from you was dated 22 October. Is that the one?
I am quite disturbed, herlock, by your penultimate question. The idea underlying that question is that a performer should only tour when he or she has a product to sell. Well, I disagree profoundly. Selling an album or whatever may be a bi-product of playing concerts but it should not be the main purpose.
Your principal complaint seems to be that Mark is the support act. I think I've really answered this before. It is Bob's tour and it is highly likely that he would be touring now whether Mark was involved or not. That does not mean that I wish Mark was not touring with Bob. It does mean that, had the two of them not been touring together now, mrs twm and I would have planned a different trip to the States. If Mark had turned Dylan's touring offer down, I'm sure someone else would have been happy to take that support role.
As to splitting the cost of venues, I simply do not know. If it were a joint, double-header, tour, then I would imagine that would be the case. I don't know the position with a supporting arrangement. I suppose it is possible that the nominated headliner bears the whole cost and financial risk but takes all the profit, paying the opening act a set fee, but I doubt it somehow. This is all speculation, though.
Why tour together? I guess Dylan wanted an opening act, approached Knopfler and the latter accepted. End of story (in terms of the question). Beginning of the story in other ways (and for Dylan and Knopfler watchers across the world).
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I don't care that much about Bob Dylan's behaviour towards MK and haven't posted much on this thread. Also I won't barge in - although I follow your "dispute", herlock and twm. Only thing I like to add: I would indeed think that a tour only makes sense if the artist has something to promote. I also guess there is much money involved in touring, and all those who participate need some kind of guarantee. Bob Dylan with his "Never Ending Tour" is obviously the exception of this from my point of view. Of course one could argue that sometimes, an album release is not much more than an alibi for another tour, as touring is much more profitable than album sales in general it seems.
LE
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I would indeed think that a tour only makes sense if the artist has something to promote.
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I don't care about that Bob behaviour dispute but I would state that I disagree with your sentence. Touring is touring, Chuck Berry hasn't issued any album for too long that I can remember and he is still touring.
The promotion thing is only something that happened when record company power over an artist improved, when touring was not profitable enough and that record companies did use them to promote the album by sponsoring the difficult places.
But now, in Mark's case the album is just a pretext. He does not need to have abn album just out. He's touring 6 month after only.
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twm, OK, I meant that one!
Some years ago, I read this fine book by the late Christopher Small: Music,society,education. I think that everybody should read this book, it is great food for thought even if you don't agree and widens your horizons. From his perspective (and I was convinced) performing live is what music is all about. It is the only "real" music experience. Of course I am only paraphrasing and you have to read the book to see what he really means and how he gets to such a conclusion. His views on recorded music are quite radical as well.
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vgonis, the last e-mail I got from you was dated 22 October. Is that the one?
I am quite disturbed, herlock, by your penultimate question. The idea underlying that question is that a performer should only tour when he or she has a product to sell. Well, I disagree profoundly. Selling an album or whatever may be a bi-product of playing concerts but it should not be the main purpose.
Your principal complaint seems to be that Mark is the support act. I think I've really answered this before. It is Bob's tour and it is highly likely that he would be touring now whether Mark was involved or not. That does not mean that I wish Mark was not touring with Bob. It does mean that, had the two of them not been touring together now, mrs twm and I would have planned a different trip to the States. If Mark had turned Dylan's touring offer down, I'm sure someone else would have been happy to take that support role.
As to splitting the cost of venues, I simply do not know. If it were a joint, double-header, tour, then I would imagine that would be the case. I don't know the position with a supporting arrangement. I suppose it is possible that the nominated headliner bears the whole cost and financial risk but takes all the profit, paying the opening act a set fee, but I doubt it somehow. This is all speculation, though.
Why tour together? I guess Dylan wanted an opening act, approached Knopfler and the latter accepted. End of story (in terms of the question). Beginning of the story in other ways (and for Dylan and Knopfler watchers across the world).
I did not say nor meant exactly that there should be something to promote for an artist to make a tour.
I've said that their should be something in common (be it an album, sharing a stage together, or at least some form of synergy / friendship) for two artists to tour together. Otherwise, what is the point ?? You can take it as two completely separated concerts. Only difference, quality goes down, because 1) the set of each artist is shorter and 2)fans of the so-called "main act" can be not so interested in the so-called "supporting act" (which of course is their right), but also display some disrespectful behaviour (arriving late, shouting, mocking, etc..), which is what I experienced last year.
So, if it is not about splitting costs, what is this about ? why not just make a full Privateering tour ?
Anyway... I seem to care a lot about this but actually I don't. I enjoy Mark's music, that all that matters :)
Cheers
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MK can only be involved because he idolises BD. Its not financial, profile raising or album sales. Which for a fan of MK and not BD is a shame, as you get less MK and a bigger ticket price. I am sure it is just self indulgence for MK.
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Just noticed that surferboy who started this topic, has left the building...
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something we said....
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OK, herlock. Let's just agree it's out of friendship and mutual respect. Possibly, it was also convenient for both or timely in some way. It happened. They're touring together again and maybe some general music fans will regard it as an opportunity to see both together, perhaps for less than seeing the two separately.
Me, I'm very happy to see them both on the same bill and to see them both more than once on the same tour. For many fans of one or the other, however, such as yourself, this is a less happy combination. Fans on both sides of this apparent fence have been less than respectful,I suspect, which is a shame.
There is a general problem with opening acts if you're a fan of the main act and not the opening act and particulalrly if you are attending several shows on a tour. I can recall seeing Dylan at the Hammersmith Odeon for some, I think it was, six consecutive nights with Roddy Frame (of Aztec Camera) as the opening act. Now, there was nothing wrong with Roddy Frame but I had no real link with him or his music. I guess I saw him only once or twice that week - which probably was disrespectful.
On the other hand, I have also gone to shows principally for the support act.
And I certainly agree that some of the best musical experiences that I've had have been at live shows. It's not just the music, which may or may not be the best in absolute terms, but the atmosphere, the ambience and the company. At one point during a Thelonious Momk concert in London, it was just him and me - there was nobody else in the room. And the Tubby Hayes Big Band in the back room of the Bulls Head in Barnes was just physically stunning. Dylan in four shows over two nights at the relatively small Supper Club in New York - a wonderful experience. I could go on but won't.
As for why it's not just a PRIVATEERING tour by Mark, you'll have to ask him.
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There is a general problem with opening acts if you're a fan of the main act and not the opening act and particulalrly if you are attending several shows on a tour.
I remember back in 92, that listening to Was not Was set + the interlude before DS came in was the longest time in my life !
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No more complaints pleas. They finally played together. Maybe they read this thread. ;D
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There is a general problem with opening acts if you're a fan of the main act and not the opening act and particulalrly if you are attending several shows on a tour.
I remember back in 92, that listening to Was not Was set + the interlude before DS came in was the longest time in my life !
Agreed :) Was not was left me super cold. But I hope your are not implying that MK is to BD what "was not was" used to be for DS !
I fully respect that established artists/groups would help the younger generation with a support act. No question.
The issue is more that using "support act" for MK is kind of insulting to me. MK is not exactly a young artist trying to prove himself !
Anyway, they played together, so forget about what I said.... maybe don't forget what Guy said on his forum, though.
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It may very well be that we all overstated/misinterpreted Bob's "behaviour" on this tour. I certainly did, and many Dylan fans did. His supposed hostility to fans, to his band, to Mark - there's probably nothing to it at all. So relieved to see them play together in San Diego, and to realize this!
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I happened to listen to the BBC World Service this morning and they had a brief interview with President Obama's half-brother, who now lives in China. At one point, he quoted a Chinese proverb which, roughly translated, goes: Let others say what others say but keep to your own path. That seemed apposite in the context of this thread.
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Lets now start a conversation speculating on Guy's behaviour toward Bob :)
I don't believe Guy has once invited Bob up for a nice cuppa, he also never makes eye contact at the gym.
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Lets now start a conversation speculating on Guy's behaviour toward Bob :)
I don't believe Guy has once invited Bob up for a nice cuppa, he also never makes eye contact at the gym.
According Guy, he didnt see Krusty yet...
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As Guy is only a hired musician among others, it is irrelevant how his behaviour towards Bob is...
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Lets now start a conversation speculating on Guy's behaviour toward Bob :)
I don't believe Guy has once invited Bob up for a nice cuppa, he also never makes eye contact at the gym.
LOL I'm sure Bob's fans are just as insulted as we are! Can you imagine Bob Dylan sweating his ass off - and mumbling - on a trade mill? Classic!
Well, I think Mark knew right from the start what it was gonna be like and accepted the role. Mark does what he wants to do, we all know that.
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I wonder if Krusty has read Guy's forum yet... :think
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I wonder if Krusty has read Guy's forum yet... :think
After Guy ignored him at the gym? Doubt it...
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When did that happen? In which diary entry? Must have missed that..
LE
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When did that happen? In which diary entry? Must have missed that..
LE
Pure sarcasm, LE! Guy never said that, we are just being silly...
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Bob owns a coffee house in Santa Monica and has his own boxing gym behind that.
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Bob owns a coffee house in Santa Monica and has his own boxing gym behind that.
Does Bob box then?
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Bob owns a coffee house in Santa Monica and has his own boxing gym behind that.
Does Bob box then?
He's the oldest slugger in town! :lol
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That's why he liked Sonny Liston - sometimes things are so simple... ;D
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Lets now start a conversation speculating on Guy's behaviour toward Bob :)
I don't believe Guy has once invited Bob up for a nice cuppa, he also never makes eye contact at the gym.
Hilarious !! :thumbsup :clap ;D
After reading through the lively discussions on the topic, I shared many sentiments with herlock. Especially on being disturbed by the main act's audience. They walked in last minute, talked during the show, etc.
The worst part of all for me is that I only got to see half the show. It left a wierd lingering feeling of losing that dynamic connections with the show. It's worse if you're going to just 1 show. You'll recoup and regain some from going to multiple shows. I hope Mark and the band will not accept any more set up such as this and just stick to their own show in the future. We can never have enough of him even if he plays for 2 hours, why settle for half? ???
On the other hand, I wouldn't have discovered BD's music if it hadn't been for this tour. So, I guess there's a mutual benefit to some extent. But still, I'd rather see Mark for the whole show. The same might be true for Dylan's camp. Although I believe many Dylan's fans I talked to couldn't stop marvelling at Mark's talents.
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As Guy is only a hired musician among others, it is irrelevant how his behaviour towards Bob is...
LE
valid point, but i agree with Arabia here, he could at least try!! :-)
so, who won here!! moi, i was right, yessirrrrreeeee!!!
now i gotta find out what it was they actually played together as i only stumbled on this thread first, prepared for even more crying :-)
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Yes, he does box. Or, at least, he did up to a few years ago. Whether he has continued, I do not know. There was a time when he moved with the same, rather odd, light-footedness that lighter-weight boxers sometimes use - always seeming to be in movement, never quite at rest. I may regret saying the following in this forum but it was an observation I made at the time. The effect was a similar sort of movement to those Thunderbird puppets of yore - never quite still when they were supposed to be still and slightly jerky at other times. At one stage, I thought might be an ailment but, in the end, put it down to his sparring to keep fit. A boxer should never be still but always in motion. Maybe I was right, maybe I was wrong - who knows?
I think that Dylan's 18th Street Coffeehouse is still there, though he rarely is. It is supposed to be worth a visit and, while we once spent several days in Santa Monica, we never quite made it up there. A friend who ran a sort-of musicbiz tip-sheet from an office across the street recommended it, though. We did go out in the older part of town and, suddenly, I spotted a building number, double-checked the street name and realised I was outside the building where STREET LEGAL was recorded and the rehearsals for the 1978 tour took place. You will gather that it was a holiday not a Dylan-trip, though we did detour a very short distance off the coast road to see the entrance of Shangri-La and had a drive around Point Dume - all of 15 minutes out of the holiday.
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Yes, he does box. Or, at least, he did up to a few years ago. Whether he has continued, I do not know. There was a time when he moved with the same, rather odd, light-footedness that lighter-weight boxers sometimes use - always seeming to be in movement, never quite at rest. I may regret saying the following in this forum but it was an observation I made at the time. The effect was a similar sort of movement to those Thunderbird puppets of yore - never quite still when they were supposed to be still and slightly jerky at other times. At one stage, I thought might be an ailment but, in the end, put it down to his sparring to keep fit. A boxer should never be still but always in motion. Maybe I was right, maybe I was wrong - who knows?
I think that Dylan's 18th Street Coffeehouse is still there, though he rarely is. It is supposed to be worth a visit and, while we once spent several days in Santa Monica, we never quite made it up there. A friend who ran a sort-of musicbiz tip-sheet from an office across the street recommended it, though. We did go out in the older part of town and, suddenly, I spotted a building number, double-checked the street name and realised I was outside the building where STREET LEGAL was recorded and the rehearsals for the 1978 tour took place. You will gather that it was a holiday not a Dylan-trip, though we did detour a very short distance off the coast road to see the entrance of Shangri-La and had a drive around Point Dume - all of 15 minutes out of the holiday.
Wonderful TWM, great story. Never ever have I seen Bob as a fighter or into violent stuff.
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There was a time when he moved with the same, rather odd, light-footedness that lighter-weight boxers sometimes use - always seeming to be in movement, never quite at rest. I may regret saying the following in this forum but it was an observation I made at the time. The effect was a similar sort of movement to those Thunderbird puppets of yore - never quite still when they were supposed to be still and slightly jerky at other times. At one stage, I thought might be an ailment but, in the end, put it down to his sparring to keep fit. A boxer should never be still but always in motion. Maybe I was right, maybe I was wrong - who knows?
I know exactly what you mean, and I believe you're right
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I thought it was a case of bad hips. ;D Usually they wear off in this age and need replacement. :hmm Or lice.
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With luck, you'll be able to see a photo of Dylan at the Felix Trinidad v. William Joppy WBA middleweight fight in Madison Square Garden on 12 May 2001.
Dylan was friendly with Donny Lalonde: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donny_Lalonde
And it could have been a medical condition. The boxing connection is pure speculation on my part.
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Yesterday, I managed to watch the first 30 minutes of Pat Garrett. Had to stop while Bob made his first appearance! He looks pretty much the same today, less or no wrinkles of course, but his face holds a striking youthful resemblance, 40 years on! The never ending Bob!
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Yesterday, I managed to watch the first 30 minutes of Pat Garrett. Had to stop while Bob made his first appearance! He looks pretty much the same today, less or no wrinkles of course, but his face holds a striking youthful resemblance, 40 years on! The never ending Bob!
LOL! I think he looks like a prune with hairs on! ;D
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I thought it was a case of bad hips. ;D Usually they wear off in this age and need replacement. :hmm Or lice.
:lol
Of course, lice is something our Mark won't be bothered by any more! ;D
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I thought it was a case of bad hips. ;D Usually they wear off in this age and need replacement. :hmm Or lice.
:lol
Of course, lice is something our Mark won't be bothered by any more! ;D
Thankfully! :P
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It is just hair, I know, but sometimes a person without hair, is not as charming. I couldn't tell about MK, I am not interested in men (aesthetically I prefer him younger and with what hair he used to have), but it certainly stands for women. Bob is Bob, hair or not hair. And anyway nowadays he usually wears these cowboy hats, and we don't see to much of his hair. :think
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It is just hair, I know, but sometimes a person without hair, is not as charming. I couldn't tell about MK, I am not interested in men (aesthetically I prefer him younger and with what hair he used to have), but it certainly stands for women. Bob is Bob, hair or not hair. And anyway nowadays he usually wears these cowboy hats, and we don't see to much of his hair. :think
Personally, I like MK much more these days without hair - much s e x i e r than before and definitely preferable to BD who has lots of hair! :)
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It is just hair, I know, but sometimes a person without hair, is not as charming. I couldn't tell about MK, I am not interested in men (aesthetically I prefer him younger and with what hair he used to have), but it certainly stands for women. Bob is Bob, hair or not hair. And anyway nowadays he usually wears these cowboy hats, and we don't see to much of his hair. :think
Personally, I like MK much more these days without hair - much s e x i e r than before and definitely preferable to BD who has lots of hair! :)
It's the '58 LP that really does it for you Val. Isn't it? ;D
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It is just hair, I know, but sometimes a person without hair, is not as charming. I couldn't tell about MK, I am not interested in men (aesthetically I prefer him younger and with what hair he used to have), but it certainly stands for women. Bob is Bob, hair or not hair. And anyway nowadays he usually wears these cowboy hats, and we don't see to much of his hair. :think
Personally, I like MK much more these days without hair - much s e x i e r than before and definitely preferable to BD who has lots of hair! :)
It's the '58 LP that really does it for you Val. Isn't it? ;D
Mmmmm, don't get me started, dmg! :lol
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It is just hair, I know, but sometimes a person without hair, is not as charming. I couldn't tell about MK, I am not interested in men (aesthetically I prefer him younger and with what hair he used to have), but it certainly stands for women. Bob is Bob, hair or not hair. And anyway nowadays he usually wears these cowboy hats, and we don't see to much of his hair. :think
Personally, I like MK much more these days without hair - much s e x i e r than before and definitely preferable to BD who has lots of hair! :)
It's the '58 LP that really does it for you Val. Isn't it? ;D
Mmmmm, don't get me started, dmg! :lol
LOL! ;D You know everyone, this whole thing makes me chuckle and it makes me think about yesterday. Yesterday we had national bald heads day here in The Netherlands. (I know..., we have national days for just about everything............ ::)). But the funny thing is yesterday you could vote for the most attractive dutch celeb with a bald head.
Sorry about being off topic, but I could not resist sharing this with all of you, as I thought you would have a good laugh about it. ;D
Maaike
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Maaike you are lucky to have all these special days. For us it is only mother's day and rest of the year stupid politicians' day. And being bald is the good thing about them. ;D
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It is just hair, I know, but sometimes a person without hair, is not as charming. I couldn't tell about MK, I am not interested in men (aesthetically I prefer him younger and with what hair he used to have), but it certainly stands for women. Bob is Bob, hair or not hair. And anyway nowadays he usually wears these cowboy hats, and we don't see to much of his hair. :think
Personally, I like MK much more these days without hair - much s e x i e r than before and definitely preferable to BD who has lots of hair! :)
May I chime in ? any discussions about "hair, s e x i e r " and such about Mark, I could never resist. I agreed superval with you about Mark being soooo s e x y these not too younger years. But I also think he's sooo cute /handsome during the early DS years.
What's up with the lespaul, dmg?
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I never liked Mark`s haircut when he was younger. He looks much better now, with less hair (it`s not totally gone ;) ) . And the hair of my husband looks just the same now, maybe they have the same hairdresser :think
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It is just hair, I know, but sometimes a person without hair, is not as charming. I couldn't tell about MK, I am not interested in men (aesthetically I prefer him younger and with what hair he used to have), but it certainly stands for women. Bob is Bob, hair or not hair. And anyway nowadays he usually wears these cowboy hats, and we don't see to much of his hair. :think
Personally, I like MK much more these days without hair - much s e x i e r than before and definitely preferable to BD who has lots of hair! :)
May I chime in ? any discussions about "hair, s e x i e r " and such about Mark, I could never resist. I agreed superval with you about Mark being soooo s e x y these not too younger years. But I also think he's sooo cute /handsome during the early DS years.
What's up with the lespaul, dmg?
He got it around the same time his hair departed. Maybe the shock of the price? :think
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drool section, pleeeaaasasssssseee
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Pottel man what sort of behaviour is this? Maybe this thread should be renamed Pottel's behaviour towards MK's fans. ;D
dmg, you were cryptic enough with this lespaul mention. ;)
Now that all this behaviour thing blew out, we can return to more important things, like hair. :lol
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From Guy today:
Q.......does Guy know whether or not Mark has been chatting with, or even seen Bob around at all so far on this tour? Thanks for you time.
GUY: Not until the San Diego show. There is little or no dialog but Mark did guest for one song.
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drool section, pleeeaaasasssssseee
Well, ok if you insist. A quick quote from Peter Brack in the Myles Palmer book:
"Mark was in great demand with the ladies.He was physically mature for his age,smoked, drank, and generally behaved more like an eighteen year old than a lad of fifteen. And anyone who could knock a song out of a guitar at a standard that was even slightly higher than average was God. Mark was better than that. I can still see him with the cigarette stuck between the strings at the machine heads of his guitar, or dangling from his lips with the smoke causing him to screw up his eyes while he played some Dylan tune note-perfect. The girls loved it..."
Always had it, always will - with or without hair! ;)
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It is hardly to believe how three (or four, or only two?) ladies among the active posters are able to switch EVERY single thread into another drool section more or less - in no time! I agree with Pottel!!! :lol
And didn't get the LP 58 thing... :think ::)
LE
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Pottel man what sort of behaviour is this? Maybe this thread should be renamed Pottel's behaviour towards MK's fans. ;D
dmg, you were cryptic enough with this lespaul mention. ;)
Now that all this behaviour thing blew out, we can return to more important things, like hair. :lol
In Marks case: hair today, gone tomorrow! ::) :disbelief Old ones are the best (ask BD fans ;)).
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Pottel man what sort of behaviour is this? Maybe this thread should be renamed Pottel's behaviour towards MK's fans. ;D
dmg, you were cryptic enough with this lespaul mention. ;)
Now that all this behaviour thing blew out, we can return to more important things, like hair. :lol
In Marks case: hair today, gone tomorrow! ::) :disbelief
Da da!! ;D
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It is hardly to believe how three (or four, or only two?) ladies among the active posters are able to switch EVERY single thread into another drool section more or less - in no time! I agree with Pottel!!! :lol
And didn't get the LP 58 thing... :think ::)
LE
Oh, come on! He got it in '95 (I think) and it was around then when his solo career started, the hair was cut and headband removed that it became apparent he had lost a lot of hair since we last saw him on the OES tour. So I suggested to Val that it was really the LP that got her going and not the bald head. ;D
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It is hardly to believe how three (or four, or only two?) ladies among the active posters are able to switch EVERY single thread into another drool section more or less - in no time! I agree with Pottel!!! :lol
And didn't get the LP 58 thing... :think ::)
LE
Oh, come on! He got it in '95 (I think) and it was around then when his solo career started, the hair was cut and headband removed that it became apparent he had lost a lot of hair since we last saw him on the OES tour. So I suggested to Val that it was really the LP that got her going and not the bald head. ;D
LOL! Yes, dmg, I got your drift and although I love the LP, especially that very s e x y tone, it's really MK's hair (or lack of it) that does it - makes him seem kind of vulnerable somehow ..... ;) I feel Pottel breathing down my neck!! :o ;D
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Sorry, are these hair yours?
Madam, you can obviously see I am bald.
Yes, I just thought that you might have lost them, now.
Wonder if BD has listened to MK's new album.
And place your bets on whether BD will sing an MK song.
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dmg, now I got it. That was obviously far tooooo deep for me (tonight). ;)
LE
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Are you ladies quite done drooling?
(http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr195/hop-head/mk_pissed.jpg)
;D
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drool section, pleeeaaasasssssseee
Well, ok if you insist. A quick quote from Peter Brack in the Myles Palmer book:
"Mark was in great demand with the ladies.He was physically mature for his age,smoked, drank, and generally behaved more like an eighteen year old than a lad of fifteen. And anyone who could knock a song out of a guitar at a standard that was even slightly higher than average was God. Mark was better than that. I can still see him with the cigarette stuck between the strings at the machine heads of his guitar, or dangling from his lips with the smoke causing him to screw up his eyes while he played some Dylan tune note-perfect. The girls loved it..."
Always had it, always will - with or without hair! ;)
Soooo soooo true. ! I remembered watching one of the documentaries just was said about the cigarette. I love that very much.
It is hardly to believe how three (or four, or only two?) ladies among the active posters are able to switch EVERY single thread into another drool section more or less - in no time! I agree with Pottel!!!
And didn't get the LP 58 thing...
LE, Yep !!! It's FUN for us ladies. :lol
hophead,
never done drooling !!!! :lol
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Are you ladies quite done drooling?
(http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr195/hop-head/mk_pissed.jpg)
;D
So Mark was in demand with the ladies at a young age. That doesn't surprise me. You can tell by this photo that he knows he's hot. He just acts like he doesn't know it. :-*
Sorry, Pottel. As for BD's behavior towards MK. Bob does what he wants. I don't think MK has any expectations from him. :hmm
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It is hardly to believe how three (or four, or only two?) ladies among the active posters are able to switch EVERY single thread into another drool section more or less - in no time! I agree with Pottel!!! :lol
And didn't get the LP 58 thing... :think ::)
LE
Oh, come on! He got it in '95 (I think) and it was around then when his solo career started, the hair was cut and headband removed that it became apparent he had lost a lot of hair since we last saw him on the OES tour. So I suggested to Val that it was really the LP that got her going and not the bald head. ;D
The Les Paul is VERY s e x y. I'm a heterosexual male and am not afraid to admit it.
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I like heterospamual! ;D
LE
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Well..this a frail..rickety bridge to cross and try to bring this thread back on topic..but here goes nothing...maybe Bob isn't 'heterospamual' enough to be attracted to the 58 LP..and hence...Mark and his vast array of guitars just doesn't 'do it' for him anymore. There...phew!...I made it across the bridge..but I think it is about to crumble and fall into the canyon below :o.
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Lol hophead...
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Anybody read the Dylan interview on Rolling stone? Any mentions to MK?
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An extract from a review on "Bob Links" ER:
Quitely, and with no fanfare, a dark figure lumbered onto the stage to
join Bob and The Rounders in a magnificent version of his Beyond Here Lies
Nothing. Twas show opener Mark Knopfler his own bad self, and his
seemless, seemingly effortless yet majestic strumming played off
wonderfully against both Bob's piano tinkling and the always great Charlie
Sexton's lead axe playing. At the songs end (which came way too soon given
how really, REALLY great that moment was) Bob shouted into his mike a
hardy "Thank ya, Mark! That's Mark Knopfler" as though anyone wasn't
aware. A great musical combination of "old" (Zimmy) and "new" (Mark)
Dylans, that should be repeated as often as possible.
At last a mention for MK from Bob! :thumbsup
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Yes great review! They seem to have noticed too!
I guess it was the only way for BD to mention MK. Get on stage, right in front of him and play the guitar! ;D
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Anybody read the Dylan interview on Rolling stone? Any mentions to MK?
I read it and he didn't mention MK.
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Thanks for the reply! I heard it was magnificent but missed the issue!
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rolling didn't ask either, would've made for some great questions imho...
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I like heterospamual! ;D
LE
LOL! Didn't realize the word filter would hate my post. Back on topic, I don't think the review would say that Bob mentioned Mark if he didn't.
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About Bob
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They played two songs together last night, so it seems that Bob is getting into it. I wonder if he'll now start playing songs from Tempest, too. It would seem kind of appropriate as they're heading east towards Sandy territory ...