A Mark In Time
Previous Tours => 2013 Privateering World Tour => Topic started by: emilianomk on November 19, 2013, 03:05:45 PM
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Hey what happend with that special recorded this year, any news? ;D ;D ;D
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Not a jot. Forgot all about it actually! Wasn't it supposed to have been shown October or something? :think
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No. Guy was asked about it a few days ago. He also had no more information about the special..
I hope it will be on air soon!!! Perhaps we can email the BBC and ask them when they will broadcast the concert?
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Yes, I was expecting it to have been broadcast by now. I'm sure it'll be aired at some point as Guy did say that the sound has been mixed. Hopefully it won't be too long.
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Yes, I was expecting it to have been broadcast by now. I'm sure it'll be aired at some point as Guy did say that the sound has been mixed. Hopefully it won't be too long.
They are waiting to the "also already mixed" Madrid DVD to be released before airing ;D
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its probably gonna be aired soon and the DVD will be in the shops before Xmas
;) ;)
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Guy reckons its not gonna be aired. That massively sucks and pisses me right off.
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Guy reckons its not gonna be aired. That massively sucks and pisses me right off.
You're joking! Me too - peed right off. We've all been looking forward to this for some time now. Kicked in the face again, just like with the Madrid DVD. >:(
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Oh no! I was really looking forward to seeing it! I am SO disappointed! :o >:( I wonder why it's not being shown. :think
To say I'm pretty angry just now is an understatement! >:(
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It seems crazy as I remember reading somewhere that one of the BBC4 MK shows (cant remember which one) received more of an audience than it normally did for the time it was first shown. This could be MK, production company or BBC. Would love to know so I can take them off my Christmas card list!
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Can't believe how many times I've been on the Sky TV guide and spotted the AVO Session from 2007 broadcast for the nth time on Sky Arts. It would have been nice to have a better document of MK's work broadcast because that one should have had the tapes destroyed.
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Can't believe how many times I've been on the Sky TV guide and spotted the AVO Session from 2007 broadcast for the nth time on Sky Arts. It would have been nice to have a better document of MK's work broadcast because that one should have had the tapes destroyed.
Couldn't agree more! It was one of the worst concerts MK ever did - in fact I couldn't bear to watch it ever again!
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Can't believe how many times I've been on the Sky TV guide and spotted the AVO Session from 2007 broadcast for the nth time on Sky Arts. It would have been nice to have a better document of MK's work broadcast because that one should have had the tapes destroyed.
Couldn't agree more! It was one of the worst concerts MK ever did - in fact I couldn't bear to watch it ever again!
Youre both right it is dreadful.
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I would dearly love to know who has made this decision - MK or BBC? :think Was the concert not good enough or what? I would love to ask Guy, but I think I know what the answer would be! ::)
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I would dearly love to know who has made this decision - MK or BBC? :think Was the concert not good enough or what? I would love to ask Guy, but I think I know what the answer would be! ::)
Yeah, nothing!
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I have a suspicion that MK doesn't like being officially filmed. His live performances are wonderful - even better than in the studio imo, but somehow when he is in front of a camera he seems to be really inhibited and his playing is rather safe and polite. Perhaps he didn't like the result of the recording? Which begs the question, why did he allow the terrible AVO concert to be aired? :think
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I have a suspicion that MK doesn't like being officially filmed. His live performances are wonderful - even better than in the studio imo, but somehow when he is in front of a camera he seems to be really inhibited and his playing is rather safe and polite. Perhaps he didn't like the result of the recording? Which begs the question, why did he allow the terrible AVO concert to be aired? :think
I think you've hit on something there Val. His performances on live broadcasts have always been on the "safe" side IMO too. Left to his own devices so to speak he can perform much better and relaxed, experimenting more.
They did do stop-start edits live during the show, so there's really no excuse.
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According to Guy in his forum, the BBC concert IS NOT going to be aired.
He doesn't give any reason to it.
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Absolutely ridiculous.
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We need to contact this guy for answers.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/biographies/biogs/controllers/mark_bell.shtml
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Never been too much impressed by the idea of a "faked" live show with start-stop-edits anyway. The real shame is that not one of the Privateering shows at all these beautiful Italian venues has been filmed and released as a blu-ray... This is a loss I can live with perfectly well to be honest...
Or maybe it will not be aired because it is clear now that they will release it as a dvd... :wave
LE
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How most dissapointing to have read the above! Not sure about a dvd/blu-ray either to be honest.
Totally agree that MK does not like being filmed and I guess we have to all agree that all we will get (although fantastic as they are) is the sound sticks from each concert instead...... :wave
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PS: I quite enjoy the 2008 Avo Session - plenty of MK Strat for me on there!!! ;)
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As LE said I think we expressed our displeasure at the faked live show at the time and also the lost opportunities of all the great shows and venues MK played, surely they could have recorded a few shows.
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but at least, a MK show recorded live for a tv, with audience, would be more than nothing...
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Why go to all the trouble off recording a show in the middle off a tour for tv and at the end the concert will not be on the air????
I wonder also what this will cost?? Does not make any sense does it??????
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Maybe it ends up as a bonus disc for the upcoming album?
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Maybe it ends up as a bonus disc for the upcoming album?
The only reason I will buy the exclusive fancy ultra special sumptuous super duper deluxe box set! ;D
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Maybe it ends up as a bonus disc for the upcoming album?
Yes but, apparently it was recorded by the BBC, so probably paid by the BBC. It doesnt makes sense that they dont broadcast it... Unless MK & PCM paid the BBC for it, just for the dvd.
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I've sent a polite message to the appropriate department at the BBC to see if I can find out what's happening with this. I'll let you know if I get a response.
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I've sent a polite message to the appropriate department at the BBC to see if I can find out what's happening with this. I'll let you know if I get a response.
Great! I don't think we'd get anywhere with Guy on this.
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Guy reckons its not gonna be aired. That massively sucks and pisses me right off.
The question has been removed from Guy's forum. I wonder why :think :think :think
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Guy reckons its not gonna be aired. That massively sucks and pisses me right off.
The question has been removed from Guy's forum. I wonder why :think :think :think
Maybe in case someone asks him why...
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Guy reckons its not gonna be aired. That massively sucks and pisses me right off.
The question has been removed from Guy's forum. I wonder why :think :think :think
Maybe in case someone asks him why...
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The question has been removed from Guy's forum. I wonder why :think :think :think
DVD!!!
(Bonus DVD for the next album??)
LE
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I dont really understand what all this is about, and I would prefer it if you just got on, but if you are going to bicker with each other can you do it via pm please. :)
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I dont really understand what all this is about, and I would prefer it if you just got on, but if you are going to bicker with each other can you do it via pm please. :)
As long as nobody is obsessed with me and my posts here, there, everywhere, I have nothing to say and agree with you 100%
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I don't know everything that has gone before, but was it really necessary to make a post mentioning "my German friend"?
Seemed antagonistic and unnecessary to me, maybe just stay out of each other's way?
I love both you guys so just want to keep the peace. :)
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It wasn't necessary but a reaction to another post in the what blue sticks thread where I was attacked without any reason or action by my part. I dont have nothing against nobody, but if someone attacks me, I'll defend myself, no matter who.
And I didnt come here to defend myself from others attacks but to have fun talking about Mark Knopfler in an environment of freedom. I'd never guessed I'll have to take care from whatever I write in any forum because I have someone watching me...
Boring, sad and quite depressing.
And again, I agree with you, but its not in my hands.
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Ok, I hadn't read that thread, I have now, your post about German efficiency started all that stuff, you could have just said "the MK people are idiots", no need for the comments about our Teutonic friends, please just think before you type, on both sides. :)
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Ok, I hadn't read that thread, I have now, your post about German efficiency started all that stuff, you could have just said "the MK people are idiots", no need for the comments about our Teutonic friends, please just think before you type, on both sides. :)
German efficiency is something good and something I admire. I dont see why its offensive but just in case someone could be offended, I also mentioned that I didn't mean to offend with it (i though before write...). So, whatever I say, Im wrong. Isnt it? Mistery solved then.
Anyway, I sent Guy a question about why the BBC special, I guess I did it politely, but as long as he deleted the previous question, I guess my question will be ignored.
A pitty if its not broadcasted. No matter its not a live concert, but a tv perfomance (live and with an audience), whatever we can get from hour hero is great, even the AVO session
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Dusty is right and here one short last answer from me in this case.
What made me "angry" (not even that) was to "make a mountain out of a molehill" because one single missing letter...
(you Brits have strange adverbs, why not just say "to make a gnat out of an elefant" like the Germans do, "aus einer M
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I wonder what Guy will reply.... Perhaps MK is not happy with the end result or perhaps they will make a dvd out off it but it that case why not show it on tv..... Personal i think MK does not want it to be on tv. I mean since DS started in 1978 how many official live tapes are there in 36 years of music...
Alchemy/On the Night/A night in Londen and All the roadrunning.... Not that much and i am still waiting on that first dvd of full MK concert.......
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I have the feeling that this BBC concert won't be aired... right now. Maybe its gonna be used as a bonus on next MK record, or to be released on dvd, and they will wait until its released to be aired after...
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And not very long after my last post, I received a mail from Guy telling me that my question wont be posted, the reason why I cant say as its a private communication, but it doesn't have any information about our concern about the broadcast itself.
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The very fact your question won't be posted is interesting enough. The speculation is sure to continue even more now! Thanks. :think
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I just don't get it.
Why refuse to post the question ???
If the answer is the usual "can't say right now", or "stay tuned", whatever... what is the problem with writing it ??
Is such a question that a problem ??
Actually this way of doing is just attracting a lot of attention to the question itself ! is it a pervert way of saying "stay tuned, a DVD is coming, but can't talk about it yet"... ?
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I just don't get it.
Why refuse to post the question ???
If the answer is the usual "can't say right now", or "stay tuned", whatever... what is the problem with writing it ??
Is such a question that a problem ??
Actually this way of doing is just attracting a lot of attention to the question itself ! is it a pervert way of saying "stay tuned, a DVD is coming, but can't talk about it yet"... ?
If he did post the question with an answer, then it would end all the speculation and prevent anyone else asking him the same thing. Imagine the number of private e-mails Guy is having to send out to people who are asking exactly the same thing as Jbaent.
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Unfortunately it would seem that the BBC have chosen not to reply to my query. Oh well. I guess we'll just have to wait and see if this footage sees the light of day in one form or another, if ever.
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A friend of mine from Spain asked to that BBC guy that someone (Was it Dusty, or Dmg?) posted here to be on charge of the musical content of the BBC, and the answer was this:
Thank you for your email about Mark Knopfler. We made a film with Mark last year, a documentary for BBC Four, which was very successful and is still being repeated. So we feel we are covered for the moment thank you.
So, they are "covered" by now.
:o
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A friend of mine from Spain asked to that BBC guy that someone (Was it Dusty, or Dmg?) posted here to be on charge of the musical content of the BBC, and the answer was this:
Thank you for your email about Mark Knopfler. We made a film with Mark last year, a documentary for BBC Four, which was very successful and is still being repeated. So we feel we are covered for the moment thank you.
So, they are "covered" by now.
:o
So, what was the point of filming it in the first place then? :hmm Seems like a lot of money and people's time wasted imo!
What do they mean by "covered"? :think Probably that they've "done" Mark Knopfler now! :(
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Seems like the BBC are proud of their repeats these days then. They can delve into their ever decreasing archives and use them as a way of covering bases of musical genres or artists. Not exactly a progressive way of thinking for someone in his position.
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I am pretty sure that this answer by the BBC is just an excuse, and they want to broadcast the concert, but for an unknown reason (to us) they are not, at least by now (thats my hope)
As Val said, doesn't makes sense that they spent a day recording it, with all the costs involved, from all the British, as its a public television, to in the end, dont broadcast it
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I am pretty sure that this answer by the BBC is just an excuse, and they want to broadcast the concert, but for an unknown reason (to us) they are not, at least by now (thats my hope)
As Val said, doesn't makes sense that they spent a day recording it, with all the costs involved, from all the British, as its a public television, to in the end, dont broadcast it
I got the impression that MK was paying for it and only hiring the studio and it's facilities that "happened" to be owned by the BBC. If he never then there would be all sorts of problems in offering it as a DVD surely because it would be a BBC production.
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I am pretty sure that this answer by the BBC is just an excuse, and they want to broadcast the concert, but for an unknown reason (to us) they are not, at least by now (thats my hope)
As Val said, doesn't makes sense that they spent a day recording it, with all the costs involved, from all the British, as its a public television, to in the end, dont broadcast it
I got the impression that MK was paying for it and only hiring the studio and it's facilities that "happened" to be owned by the BBC. If he never then there would be all sorts of problems in offering it as a DVD surely because it would be a BBC production.
It was a BBC4 Sessions production, just like all the other previous ones that have been transmitted eg Richard Thompson, etc. I didn't ever have the impression it was paid for by MK. :hmm
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I am pretty sure that this answer by the BBC is just an excuse, and they want to broadcast the concert, but for an unknown reason (to us) they are not, at least by now (thats my hope)
As Val said, doesn't makes sense that they spent a day recording it, with all the costs involved, from all the British, as its a public television, to in the end, dont broadcast it
I got the impression that MK was paying for it and only hiring the studio and it's facilities that "happened" to be owned by the BBC. If he never then there would be all sorts of problems in offering it as a DVD surely because it would be a BBC production.
It was a BBC4 Sessions production, just like all the other previous ones that have been transmitted eg Richard Thompson, etc. I didn't ever have the impression it was paid for by MK. :hmm
My mistake then. Let's hope they don't just scrap the tapes. Archive man - archive!
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Maybe DMG is right, and also Val... Maybe MK paid for it, thinking in doing a dvd of it, or maybe it was paid by both parts, agreeing to broadcast it by the BBC and at the same time doing a dvd (I dont know if that happened with the A night in London, that was a Special "Later with Jools Holland")
Maybe it was entirely paid by the BBC and that rights can be bought for a dvd later, maybe cheaper than in other venues as its going to be broadcasted.
Many options, dont you think? ;D :lol
Jokes apart, I hope that this won
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A friend of mine from Spain asked to that BBC guy that someone (Was it Dusty, or Dmg?) posted here to be on charge of the musical content of the BBC, and the answer was this:
Thank you for your email about Mark Knopfler. We made a film with Mark last year, a documentary for BBC Four, which was very successful and is still being repeated. So we feel we are covered for the moment thank you.
So, they are "covered" by now.
:o
What a clown, he's getting a slap the next time he sets foot in Aberdeen.
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I take it all back. I received the following reply from BBC Audience Services this morning...
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Thanks for your enquiry.
I understand Mark Knopfler recorded a BBC Four Session earlier this year and you'd like to know the transmission date.
A check of our schedules has not provided us with a future date as yet, so it would appear that we're still awaiting confirmation from BBC Four of when this session will be broadcast.
The latest scheduling information on the BBC Four Sessions programme series can be found on its website at:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006ylqn
Our schedules are usually confirmed ten days ahead of transmission time so it's still possible that Mark Knopfler's performance could be broadcast before Christmas.
I hope the website proves helpful and thanks again for contacting the BBC.
For more information about why we are not always able to answer every question individually please go to: http://www.bbc.co.uk/faqs/email_enquiry_response
Kind Regards
Tony Rogers
BBC Audience Services
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So, in other words, they are none the wiser than we are! But at least it was a polite reply and they were kind enough to respond, regardless of the answer. I'm amazed at the response from the BBC that was posted by jbaent above. Almost reads as if the guy got out of bed the wrong side that morning. Not the attitude.
I don't know. We'll just have to wait and see what happens. On the positive side, we have the USB sticks which contain complete soundboard recordings of most of this year's shows. It would just have been nice to see a filmed show.
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Nice reply, thanks. This guy at least seems to remember that we pay his wages...
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Today on Guy's forum he answers on a questions about the special. Still no news, will not be on tv soon :'(
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So, in other words, they are none the wiser than we are! But at least it was a polite reply and they were kind enough to respond, regardless of the answer. I'm amazed at the response from the BBC that was posted by jbaent above. Almost reads as if the guy got out of bed the wrong side that morning. Not the attitude.
The response you got looks like a standard kind of answer, which is the correct one to give, and the one that got my friend looks more like a "personal one", that one was posted to the person from the BBC4 that Dusty (I think it was him) mentioned as the one who has a word on what its going to be scheduled to broadcast, and your answer was adressed to the BBC Audience Services, who are really polite doing his job, with standard answers, but polite.
Anyway, both answers reveals that they dont have a clue about it, maybe the one that got my friend has some information hidden, but my guess its that they are not the ones that might decide if the special is broadcasted or not.
I bet that it will be released as a bonus dvd with the next MK record.
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Why can Guy than not say something like: We are thinking of doing this or that with the special but there is still a choice to be made??????
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Because he is not allowed, maybe MK would change his mind, and if Guy says the bbc special will be a bonus dvd but in the end MK changes his mind, everybody will blame Guy because he said it would happen...
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Unlikely to be a bonus dvd (never been done before).
More likely to be recorded at great expense then left on a shelf (been done before).
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Unlikely to be a bonus dvd (never been done before).
More likely to be recorded at great expense then left on a shelf (been done before).
Two big precedents:
- Madrid 2001:
Considered to be released on dvd and recorded with multiple cammeras and a special mixing track, but abandoned after discover the sound from the audience was so loud that got not only into the audience mics but also all the other mics from the stage (MK's mic etc etc)
Imho, an excuse, as they recorded also Bilbao, Newcastle and Glasgow, all the concerts with the same set list to mix it, probably it was too much effort for what a DVD will sell...
- London 2002:
Mark Knopfler and friends at the Shepperd Bush, recorded with multiple cammeras and with Jools Holland and Jimmy Nail as special guests. Not abandoned as it was recorded to be used as promotion for the Ragpicker Dreams cd. Some scenes from this concerts are on the Ragpickers dream are on the press kit, but very short ones, specially from "Quality Shoe" and "Why aye man", that was fully included as a video bonus in the "Why aye man" cd single if I remember well.
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"Why aye man", that was fully included as a video bonus in the "Why aye man" cd single if I remember well.
not on the CD single, but on the 2nd disk of the album special edition
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Unlikely to be a bonus dvd (never been done before).
More likely to be recorded at great expense then left on a shelf (been done before).
Mark can waste his own money by filming concerts that will never see the light of day, or maybe just as a home movie for the Knopfler family. That is his perogative.
But I do object to the BBC not airing a show which they spent a (no doubt) small fortune to record.
Still to be optimistic, I know of at least one other music "special" recorded by the BBC which was not broadcast until well over a year after it was recorded. So I will still be keeping my fingers crossed that the MK gig will eventually be on air.
Regards
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Unlikely to be a bonus dvd (never been done before).
More likely to be recorded at great expense then left on a shelf (been done before).
Two big precedents:
- Madrid 2001:
Considered to be released on dvd and recorded with multiple cammeras and a special mixing track, but abandoned after discover the sound from the audience was so loud that got not only into the audience mics but also all the other mics from the stage (MK's mic etc etc)
Imho, an excuse, as they recorded also Bilbao, Newcastle and Glasgow, all the concerts with the same set list to mix it, probably it was too much effort for what a DVD will sell...
- London 2002:
Mark Knopfler and friends at the Shepperd Bush, recorded with multiple cammeras and with Jools Holland and Jimmy Nail as special guests. Not abandoned as it was recorded to be used as promotion for the Ragpicker Dreams cd. Some scenes from this concerts are on the Ragpickers dream are on the press kit, but very short ones, specially from "Quality Shoe" and "Why aye man", that was fully included as a video bonus in the "Why aye man" cd single if I remember well.
I think the BBC special is likely to become one of life's mysteries along with the Madrid DVD and why are DVDs sold in larger packages than CDs, even though the discs are the same size!
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I think the BBC special is likely to become one of life's mysteries along with the Madrid DVD and why are DVDs sold in larger packages than CDs, even though the discs are the same size!
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I think the BBC special is likely to become one of life's mysteries along with the Madrid DVD and why are DVDs sold in larger packages than CDs, even though the discs are the same size!
+1000
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why are DVDs sold in larger packages than CDs, even though the discs are the same size!
to match old VHS packages ! ;D
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why are DVDs sold in larger packages than CDs, even though the discs are the same size!
to match old VHS packages ! ;D
I know, but it sounded funny and it is a bit of a con. Surely the best way would have been for the rental firms to get new shelves once than the consumer to pay more for extravagant cases for forever! :-\
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Guy now says it will NOT be aired. Makes me wonder what they will do with it..... Probably keep it in the safe for the next 10 years...... :'(
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You can add Montreux 2010 to the list.
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You can add Montreux 2010 to the list.
Montreux concerts are recorded by the organization, has nothing to do with MK and boys.
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So another abandoned project, I wonder who asked who to do that concert, MK to the BBC or the contrary...