A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: jbaent on November 20, 2013, 01:03:49 PM
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Read today in David K
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Just read it too, indeed very nice words
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It seems as if their long lasting problems are solved, BUT: his friendly and admiring words refer only to their childhood and teenage-years. At least this is my interpretation. Who knows what he is thinking about Mark now.
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He seemed to be in a nostalgic mood - looking back at the past wistfully. They were, indeed, nice words about Mark and I hope they are both on friendlier terms these days.
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I've always liked this quote from David from the link below:
Even when I was a student, 18, 19, Mark would come over on his motorbike and I had two acoustic guitars lined up so that we could play and write and practice. We just enjoyed playing together. We did have a very good organic chemistry. Although, I think a lot of good players who
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I wonder if Mk will get to know all these nice things David says about him...
Roger Waters and David Gilmour problems were even bigger, and now they are on friendly terms, and they are not family, so, who knows. I
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I love reading about all these nice words DK said about MK. It has to be hard to be a little brother to a big brother who has all the fames and successes. :( Has Mark mentioned anything in the same veins about David anywhere? It's time the two brothers come to terms with each other.
Thanks, jbaent and rkd for the quotes. :thumbsup
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Some tend to think that people mellow as they get older, so perhaps their relationship is on better terms these days. However I am always reminded of one of my favourite quotes from one of my favourite books: "It's like those sticks of rock: bite it all the way down, you'll still read Brighton. That's human nature.
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...who taught me both the power of individualism, and a kind of old-school alpha male masculinity that wasn't intuitive at all for me.
I'm sorry if I sound negative, but could the sentence above be interpreted as ironical ? "power of individualism" ? "alpha male" ? Could it be some way to hint that Mark was a tyran ??
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herlock, I know what you mean, that
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I think it's an example of when you can take words out of context. David says "old school alpha male" and followed on by saying that it wasn't "intuitive at all for me." This makes me think it was something that he strived to be and that Mark was someone he emulated.
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I think it's an example of when you can take words out of context. David says "old school alpha male" and followed on by saying that it wasn't "intuitive at all for me." This makes me think it was something that he strived to be and that Mark was someone he emulated.
I thought of that too, of course, but I also thought that it could mean "I'm a nice guy, being a dominant alpha male is not my thing... unlike Mark".... of well, I hope I'm wrong !
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I think it's an example of when you can take words out of context. David says "old school alpha male" and followed on by saying that it wasn't "intuitive at all for me." This makes me think it was something that he strived to be and that Mark was someone he emulated.
I thought of that too, of course, but I also thought that it could mean "I'm a nice guy, being a dominant alpha male is not my thing... unlike Mark".... of well, I hope I'm wrong !
herlock, that is exactly how I read it. Mark was "old-school alpha male", and David wasn't. I see this as recognition that they were differrent, and David is 'calling it as it is'... Not super positive in itself, but also not necessarily negative, as David is expressing gratitude to the male role models in his life, and this is a very valid and worthy lesson for a kid that may not be so very assertive. All-in-all, I see this as a positive comment.
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It seems to me, an old man sifts out milestone events of his life through a sieve of time and tries to estimate all what is left.
I can understand such state of mind.
And I am not inclined to believe that it's an attempt of peacemaking of him. I think, David has a good sense of time, being an intuitive person, as distinct from his brother, who has mostly a sensory acuity and lives right here right now. They're too different.
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I don't know if it is the "french reading", but I have the same feeling as Herlock.*
When I read " power of individualism" and "old-school alpha male", it doesn't sound nice words to me...
and of course, we all know that Mark was a tyran during DS days, it's very well explained in the Oldfield book.
I am not critising this fact, even John Illsley said that it was necessary, in order to lead a band, but it's obvious that David suffered from this, and these words sound more ironic than warm to me, but of course I could be wrong
The fact that english is not my native language doesn't help me to really feel the "hidden senses" of words. And we all know, by posting on a forum, than writing something, without seeing the face or hearing the voice tone can be misleading...
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At the end of the day - Time is a great healer.....
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I hope that you won`t throw me out of this forum ;D but... :think...can it be, that M still is an alpha male , maybe a little selfish and his brother is right when he is talking about M in a not so nice way? No question, M is a great musician and songwriter, but we don`t know him personally. Maybe he isn`t so friendly as we all think? It is just a thought that came into my mind while reading the comments :-\
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I hope that you won`t throw me out of this forum ;D but... :think...can it be, that M still is an alpha male , maybe a little selfish and his brother is right when he is talking about M in a not so nice way? No question, M is a great musician and songwriter, but we don`t know him personally. Maybe he isn`t so friendly as we all think? It is just a thought that came into my mind while reading the comments :-\
Yes, I think we all want to believe he's a nice kindly, friendly man but none of us actually know him. Some of us have met him but that is just the public side of the man - none of us really know him personally as you say Mona.
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I hope that you won`t throw me out of this forum ;D but... :think...can it be, that M still is an alpha male , maybe a little selfish and his brother is right when he is talking about M in a not so nice way? No question, M is a great musician and songwriter, but we don`t know him personally. Maybe he isn`t so friendly as we all think? It is just a thought that came into my mind while reading the comments :-\
Yes, I think we all want to believe he's a nice kindly, friendly man but none of us actually know him. Some of us have met him but that is just the public side of the man - none of us really know him personally as you say Mona.
totally agree
I think you can't really know somebody only by reading itw, or meeting him in a "public" place
And the paradox is that many fans (including me) are more found of his work when he was known as a "tyran", than his solo carreer, that could be called "more mellow",so to say, just like his personnal evolution, maybe ? :think
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I think there could be a hint of the man in his songs - particularly in Hard Shoulder and Hill Farmer's Blues. Not that I think those songs are necessarily autobiographical, but he seems to have an extraordinary amount of empathy for the type of man who is hard on the surface and holds his feelings inside. MK may be one of those types who can show his emotions in his songs, but is quiet and hard to understand in person. This might make one difficult to get along with. Perhaps with age comes self awareness and a tendency to mellow.
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If you've played in bands, you probably know that it rarely works if everyone has an equal input (I'm sure there are a ton of exceptions to this, but IMHO it would only work if everyone in the band is equally talanted as a musician and composer). Now, everyone in DS were good musicians, but it was probably Mark's unique style and fantastic talent that gave them the edge to actually "make it". So, for the band to reach its full potential, it was probably necesary to have Mark at the steering wheel.
As you say, you can never know what he's actually like these days. I honestly believe he's mellower than before, but I don't know. IF he is, then that might have something to do with the fact that he IS the attraction, there is no debate on why people are coming to the show. He probably doesn't need to run things aggressively because everyone knows their place.
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If meeting him a couple of months was anything to go by, he seemed a 'true Gentleman' in that he gave time to us all and to be honest that was great. We werent rushed and after that experience whatever happens 'behind the scenes' is immaterial to me.
The point I am trying to make is that he came across as a very friendly, humble chap albeit very shy.
We all know how much he doesn't enjoy the fame thing.
He is after all human with regards to falling out with people too....
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I see no irony or sarcasm at all on David's side. Nice to read...
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Many interesting points here..BUT I choose to interpret this the good way :) There is certainly nothing wrong with alpha-males, as long as they know how to balance that kind of approach. It is true that none of us can say that we know him at a personal level, we have seen his public and "polished" style. Referring to mk coming across as a "true gentleman" that was also the fact with f.ex the late Jim Reeves, who actually created a career built on this, went by the nickname "Gentleman Jim" and famous for his mellow style, but apparently a "perfectionistic, self-centered tyran" behind closed doors.. :-\
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If meeting him a couple of months was anything to go by, he seemed a 'true Gentleman' in that he gave time to us all and to be honest that was great. We werent rushed and after that experience whatever happens 'behind the scenes' is immaterial to me.
The point I am trying to make is that he came across as a very friendly, humble chap albeit very shy.
We all know how much he doesn't enjoy the fame thing.
He is after all human with regards to falling out with people too....
It makes me glad to read this post :)
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When I met MK on 2001, I was very very afraid that he would be rude, arrogant or whatever, because MK was my idol and to know that he
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Could it be that we take the 'celebrity' personas of Mark and David too seriously? After all...what it all boils down to is that they are brothers..nothing more..nothing less. I don't agree whole-heartedly with my two brothers on every issue.....but I love them both just the same. I think what David is saying here is that he admires Mark's approach to life..he just wishes to live his own life differently. Brothers can agree to disagree..at least most of the time. It may seem that he is referring to things that happened in the past..but sometimes that's all it takes to realize just how important your family is to you. We all tend to put our own agendas in the way..and forget where we came from. Personally I wouldn't care if they were ever to 'reunite' in song..as long as they still loved each other as brothers should. Imho of course ;)
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When I met MK on 2001, I was very very afraid that he would be rude, arrogant or whatever, because MK was my idol and to know that he
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I was curious to listen to the Van Morrison song David mentions that Mark was so enthusiastic about, found it on youtube, it is from 1973, a nice but unusual song, just listen to the part when the band goes nuts (1:32) into that jazz style without a warning :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpcsThJEgWM
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I see no irony or sarcasm at all on David's side. Nice to read...
So many people on Facebook, including myself, were touched by David's post about the male models in his life. He seemed surprised and humbled by all the positive comments he received. Obviously I don't know either of them, but both Mark and David seem like very sensitive, compassionate and caring people. I hope they are on good terms, too. Life's too short. :-*
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Me--I take the words as face value. They are admiring positive words; they make me feel good about both brothers. As hophead, jabaent, and others say, we don't know them personally. I don't want to dig into any psychological interpretations of DK's words--except that they seem to be loving thoughts toward a brother. Good for DK for saying them publicly!
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A question about Dire Straits: in Italy John Illsley, Phil Palmer and others have created a tribute band "Dire Straits Legends" to celebrate your music. What do you think of this kind of project?
DK: It's been a great privilege for me to be able to make a living, following my heart and making my art, without having to do the "nostalgia" circuits to pay the bills. I was once offered £100,000 to do a pseudo, Dire Straits material, concert in Moscow and I turned it down. Maybe the smarter thing would have been to have just done it and figured that £100k less expenses would be an easier way to fund my next record, than the hassle of crowd-sourcing. I keep an open mind about these things but to date the perfect offer and opportunity hasn't presented itself. The best version of Dire Straits would be, I would imagine, the original line up, and my understanding is that my brother has to date shown no desire to reform the original line up and it's hard to see, other than making his fans happy, what he'd get out of it apart from a huge pay cheque which he probably has no need of.
Via: https://www.facebook.com/DKnopfler1/posts/1017460408281402
My comment: David, you rule!
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Really not surprised by these words from DK because no matter what went on between them back then, MK remains his big brother and he respects him as a very talented Musician!! Remember they grew up together even if they are differents as most of brothers and sisters...
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David consistently hold out a public handshake of friendship. I wonder if Mark ever gets to know this?
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I hope that you won`t throw me out of this forum ;D but... :think...can it be, that M still is an alpha male , maybe a little selfish and his brother is right when he is talking about M in a not so nice way? No question, M is a great musician and songwriter, but we don`t know him personally. Maybe he isn`t so friendly as we all think? It is just a thought that came into my mind while reading the comments :-\
I agree with you as I don't know MK as well but we can only imagine that he is not a bad human being from what he's writing in his songs!!! Then if DK is saying something like that in an interview recently, then we can also imagine that one day in the future they can speak to eachother in private like 2 brothers!! And I really wish that they'll do that!! We Fans may never will have the chance to read this somewhere in the Media!! In my opinion too much was said on the Net and in the Press, and this made things worse between them!! :wave
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Professional musician are hired to play music and make a living of. Not every musician has ability in writing song or composing musician but everybody need to eat.
That said DK point of view is undestandable.
And John Illsley explained himself about his reason in participating to a few DSL gigs.
The fact that MK never played again with John excepted for a 4 shows run and John's wedding celebration is still a mystery to me. There was enough charities occasions over the years to give it a go. But Mark is Mark...
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why did john ant to participate? not read that anywhere.
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where I can read this Dave's words?
Thanks
bye
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And John Illsley explained himself about his reason in participating to a few DSL gigs.
I'd love to read your source ....
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And John Illsley explained himself about his reason in participating to a few DSL gigs.
I'd love to read your source ....
If you would ask I would answer that I read it on this forum.
So where I read that :think
What I remember is that John told that he was promoting his latest cd and did accept these few gig in a DS tribute for that.
That's not old