A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: MK_live on July 11, 2014, 08:55:12 PM
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Hello everyone,
I must admit that I bought the compilation CD "Private Investigations - the very best of DS & MK" just to add to my collection and never thought much of it as just another compilation CD which would not bring any news to the fans who already have all studio albums.
However, lately I was pointed on two things:
1. the playout on STP is longer (the track lasts 5:53 instead of 5:29 on the STP album). I too think that the instrumental part is different, starting around 4:00
2. the vocal take on Darling Pretty is a different one compared to the Golden Heart album! Differences are not that much, but it does sound different
Now, that makes the album at least more interesting after all. Did any of you ever notice that before? I would be interested to hear from people if there are more interesting things to be found on this compilation CD. Would be nice to make a summary of all differences we can find.
Kind regards,
Jeroen
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That's quite interesting Jeroen because that's one I didn't buy.
Quite a bit of length on the playout, not just a few seconds but something worthwhile and also the different vocal on DP. I presume the music track is the same? Again, worthwhile and interesting for the diehards like us. Thanks for the info!
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Yes, musically, Darling Pretty is exactly the same as on the Golden Heart album. The vocal take sounds less good compared to the one which was released on the Golden Heart album, in my opinion.
I am still surprised that they did release a different version on the compilation CD, you would almost think it was an error.
Jeroen
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I am not familiar with the sort of detail that interests you but, if the two alternate tracks/takes were issued intentionally, then I would guess that the record company would advertise that, if only to maximise sales to fans who might otherwise ignore such a compilation - and apparently did.
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I might add that it is well known from shortly after the release that the STP solo is longer and that the DP vocals are different.
LE
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Yes agree with LE, it is well known and was discussed on forums just after the release
The STP version is the whole track not edited (apart the fade out of course), while the version on the album is edited, maybe because they thought its was too long, and that these bars don't add much to the outro (it feels like we "wait" too long before the outro solo is really starting)
the strange thing is why they decided to release the "original" non edited version on the comp, and without mention it
maybe it's a "mistake" like twm said ? maybe like the WII mexican single ?
the same for In the gallery which is edited in the outro. maybe we will hear the complete non edited version on a future comp.... :think
as for DP, it's an alternate mix, so with a different vocal take, but all the rest is the same
it's sometimes the case on comps, but it's mentionned (1st example that comes to mind : suite-judy blue eyes on the CSN comp from 91)
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Thanks for your comments, I was not aware that these were well known facts. To me it was new, it seems the playout on DP is also a bit longer by the way.
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I think you'll find the guitar outro on Darling Pretty is different to the version on Golden Heart, as the music is fading, Mark is playing some different notes.
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The outro on both GH versions is exactly the same, but the difference is the length. On the compilation the fade-out lasts for 11 seconds longer than on the album, and the different notes are being played within these seconds and can therefore not be heard on the album version.
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Stp piano sounds more present, or different, also there is more pedal steel imho
I never noticed the different vocals on Darling pretty, but the music sounds differently mixed.
Why aye man also have another ending, as its the radio edit.
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The drums in WII are also different (hi-hat vs. cymbals), somewhere before the middle solo if I remember correctly.
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There is also an echo on calling elvis at some point. "anybody home" echoes back. It's not on the On every street.
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The drums in WII are also different (hi-hat vs. cymbals), somewhere before the middle solo if I remember correctly.
Textual WII is different in 1 sentence if i remember correct.
Drums beat the tattoo is in it. It's not on the album i think
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Thanks for all your comments so far. Despite it is only a small difference in the lyrics of What it is, I think it is very remarkable to find a difference compared to the album version. I can not say I hear the difference in the drums on that track, but that probably has to do with my hearing ;) And indeed, I listened to Calling Elvis again and the last verse has that echo. I wonder if there are more small differences.
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What with all these different vocals and takes doesn't it just make you think that out there there must be some great stuff from older sessions like different outro solos on TOL from the MM sessions or TR from LOG! :P
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I stand corrected on Darling Pretty, can't believe I didn't notice the differece in track lenth :smack
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I seem to recall Mark singing the "drums beat the tattoo line" live on many occasions. Maybe he couldn't remember which line they used. Maybe he preferred it.
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By the way, seems as a good reason for all this stuff which was going on on this compilation, is that Chuck Ainlay messed up all the files, as he told in Tape Op magazine. He said nobody know how to save files and so it's was a mess, and up to 2014 nobody wants to get original hard-drives back.
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I seem to recall Mark singing the "drums beat the tattoo line" live on many occasions. Maybe he couldn't remember which line they used. Maybe he preferred it.
Mark sang many different lines on this song live and not necessarily in the right order!
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By the way, seems as a good reason for all this stuff which was going on on this compilation, is that Chuck Ainlay messed up all the files, as he told in Tape Op magazine. He said nobody know how to save files and so it's was a mess, and up to 2014 nobody wants to get original hard-drives back.
Is there any link to that interview?
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Is there any link to that interview?
Sure, here it is just for 2$: http://tapeop.com/97/
I attached a very little part of the answer anyway.
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Is there any link to that interview?
Sure, here it is just for 2$: http://tapeop.com/97/
I attached a very little part of the answer anyway.
Definitely worth the money! I just bought the digital version an read the article with Chuck and Mark, great interview!