A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: LoveExpresso on October 09, 2014, 10:42:43 PM
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He was in a good mood obviously and let himself into a talk with his facebook friends about drumming. He wanted to go to bed several times but stayed as he enjoyed it so much. Here are the most interesting parts (from my point of view):
About why Ian is in the band now and Mark's decision:
"He did it for his own reasons and that has to be enough for me and for everyone else. but I do miss it terribly".
"Well.. when I first started with Mark it was an emergency situation (don't ask) but it took me a while to assimilate what was required. I did my first gig in Portugal without a rehearsal and barely a sound check and I stayed for 5 years".
"What Chat did was fantastic, he applied very simple, modern country beats and R&B Memphis style, he did it with great mastery and the first year or so I was taking it all in. Meanwhile I got used to the monitor sound on nears and grew to get past just trying to copy Chad. Chat though, set a brilliant president, he did exactly what was required an got right "inside" the music. Once I knew what was what I did the same but could then think of myself. I gave it my own weighty feel and though i still followed the code which was simplicitiy and precision, I gave it passion which you cannot fake. Ian's doing his thing and he's a monster player and a deep thinker as a musician so I can't empathize with any negative said about my exit from the band. Ian's in the chair and it's up to you and him, to make the most of it."
Someone said he misses his Hi-Hat on Romeo & Juliet:
"You're the first person ever commenting on the hats on Romeo.. that was my feel but it's not a big thing like Speedway so people don't pick up on it.. there were lots of things... little things of which I felt I'd brought something into the equation.. Nuance... a much mis understood thing as it suggests insignificance but sometimes the little things are the biggest of them all. Any musician playing with Mark sonner or later has to understand that. I had that message drilled into me in that beautiful band and I take it everywhere I go or try to.
About Jeff Pocaro:
"He could do it both ways and was a fairly technical play however most or maybe all the music he played sounded good due in part of the way he played."
"Did you hear his drumming on Fade To Black? - Wonderful!"
Great words of an obviously great person!
LE
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Great.
I really miss his drumming on SOS.
I met him once in the streets after one RAH gig on his way back to the hotel, I think it was in 2008, very nice people he is.
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I guess he is the mostly missed person in MK's career, I definitely prefer his playing on Iantos. . I think Ianto butchered Sultans to death so MK lost interest in it.. also all his playing live is great and perfect but has this kind of too-much-personality in it, all the gimmicks, all these little last rolls (last words) at the end of a lot of songs.. it seems he has to show-off a lot. Mark is the only one in the band who should show-off more.. The band should be working on the song, and I think Danny did that perfectly well.
Also the high quality and the extraordinaire standard of the Get Lucky album has to do a lot with Danny...
There were more than 90 comments in that facebook thread in a short time, it seems he is really missed by a lot of people still..
LE
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Oh and a little sentence that is so nice and that I forgot in my first post:
"We miss u"
"God knows I miss you too... the gigs were the best thing about it."
:-[
LE
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Brilliant, thanks for posting.
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I know exactly what you mean about IT showing off LE. He always has to get the last word in with his final rolls etc. His increasingly elaborated intros to CBC last tour are a good example of this. RB is exactly the opposite in terms of character.
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Yeah, it was in the other thread :wave but good to know that I am not the only one. I am biased because I could not understand Danny being kicked out, and everything, from the nose-stick to the mistake with Submariner and all these intros just said to me: It is no problem for a musician to show off a bit, but it is unusual for a musician in any MK band to show off. I am pretty sure Ianto has more influence in the recording process than Danny had. That what Danny called "deep thinker". So with Jim Mark has now two "real" musicians, we all know Glen and Richard are such anyway.. maybe it is more that and not the drumming alone that made MK decide against Danny...
LE
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Yeah, it was in the other thread :wave but good to know that I am not the only one. I am biased because I could not understand Danny being kicked out, and everything, from the nose-stick to the mistake with Submariner and all these intros just said to me: It is no problem for a musician to show off a bit, but it is unusual for a musician in any MK band to show off. I am pretty sure Ianto has more influence in the recording process than Danny had. That what Danny called "deep thinker". So with Jim Mark has now two "real" musicians, we all know Glen and Richard are such anyway.. maybe it is more that and not the drumming alone that made MK decide against Danny...
LE
Although Jim gets his chance to show off he doesn't have the same arrogance the IT has with it and I really respect Jim as a musician and like him in the band.
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Yes. Remember Jim did all the great things on the albums, on STP and RPD and Shangi-La...
However, on Privateering, it is always his very own signature piano style.. together with Kim Wilson you can hear more personality on that double album in the playing of Jim and Kim compared to the man who has his name on the sleeve.. again, on Get Lucky, I thought Matt played better because he chose a more general style, Monteleone is beautiful, Rembembrance Day the same, and Jim sounds always VERY much like Jim.. it is good sometimes. Maybe that's the reason he will not appear on Tracker..
LE
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Thanks LE for posting this. I miss Danny a lot. Both as a person and as a drummer.
For me he did the best job. Ian is a great drummer but Danny made me listen to drums (I never did) so his playing Will always be my favorite
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Hi all,
Thanks for sharing this and good to have some fresh news about Danny. He has understandably been more than discreet about the whole story -- how he got into the band and why he left.
He says that he can't empathize with any negative said about him not being in the band any more so he may not empathize with anything I have ever said about this lol.
I still think, for what it's worth of course, that it was Mark's best decision to hire him -- and I do think the same since I first saw him live during the 2002 London gigs -- and Mark's worst ever not to use him anymore.
It still hurts me when I listen to past records and past gigs, mainly the last ones of the 2010 tour
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I agree with Ingrid - it was Danny that made the drums very important for me. I remember at The Edinburgh Playhouse in 2005, hearing Song for Sonny Liston played live for the very first time and being blown away by Danny's drumming. I wish he was back in the band.
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NicoMK, not sure about reading a facebook conversation apart from facebook - but I pretty much summed up all the important stuff. On FB there's always a lot of "unimportant" and partly annoying commenting, so everything of value referring Danny was posted here.
LE
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Thanks anyway LE, thanks for sharing this, it IS great !! :clap
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I agree with Ingrid - it was Danny that made the drums very important for me. I remember at The Edinburgh Playhouse in 2005, hearing Song for Sonny Liston played live for the very first time and being blown away by Danny's drumming. I wish he was back in the band.
Yep, Sonny was the first song that made an impact on me. I got to shake his hand at a bluesclub gig, he was a very nice chap and it is a huge shame he's still not in the band.
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He was also involved in the Golden Heart recordings don't forget and at the OES tour he was a band member.. so he really knows MK for a very long time.
And that is what I admired: He really KNEW what MK wanted because he knows him so well. And on Get Lucky, you can hear that literally. Far from being a hired musician but a real confidant..
But one thing is for sure, and I know MK also for some time now ;D: Danny will never come back. Same as Chad, same as Jack, same as David, same as...
LE
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Danny will never come back. Same as Chad, same as Jack, same as David, same as...
...same as Dire Straits :lol
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I've no understanding of playing drums, but my ears tell me what sounds nice. I agree with all the comments you made here. Since IT is sitting at the drums, I especially don't like Sultans of Swing no longer und I don't listen to the versions from the Privateering tour, only older versions. His drumming drowned out everything else in large parts and in my ears it sounds terrible. I thind, it's a real pity.
I wonder why MK doesn't feel the same. ??? He could change that.
I miss Danny Cummings too, also as a person, and Matt Rollings as well, although I also like Jim Cox.
Bluebird
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I wonder if there are any contractual issues
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I wonder why MK doesn't feel the same. ??? He could change that.
But Mark dropped SOS for much of the 2013 tour, especially during the second half. I could have understood that he did not paly it at all but it was strange to see that one being dropped in the middle (and SAN as well).
Sultans of Swing preformed on 16 gigs out of 75 :
Teatro antico, Taormina, Italy on July 16, 2013
Royal Albert Hall, London, England on June 1, 2013
Royal Albert Hall, London, England on May 31, 2013
Royal Albert Hall, London, England on May 27, 2013
BIC Windsor Hall, Bournemouth, England on May 21, 2013
Echo Arena, Liverpool, England on May 19, 2013
Sportpaleis, Antwerp, Belgium on May 12, 2013
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yeah he fed up with it after Ianto butchered it.
LE
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Hi, Ds1984
Did I get you right? Are you thinking MK had dropped Sultans because of IT's drumming?
What I meant was: If MK hadn't like Ian Thomas' drumming he could have instruct him to change his drumming instead of dropping Sultans. Assuming that MK really hadn't like his kind of drumming.
Dropping Sultans especially during the second half of the tour, I think, was a bit unfair on all concert visiters of the second half who were looking forward to Sultans.
Bluebird
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You are right about being unfair, but I guess MK does not think in these dimensions. In his world, we can be happy to hear what he offers us. He plays and we are just guests, attending (coincidentally) what he plays. And no one ever has any wish to utter which song he likes to hear.. sounds bitter? Oh yes!
Same with Steedway, the highpoint and rocker from the set list suddenly was put off..
But I also think he respects his Musicians, Ianto is the drummer so he has to play the drums. MK probably will not give too many instructions.. not nowadays I think.. some little hints here and there.. sorry if I answer your question but I had the same idea about Ianto butchering sultans. But maybe it is just a theory. And MK just had trouble playing it..
LE
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LE
no reason to say "Sorry". I'am glad about every comment. :)
Bluebird
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Sorry guys,
blaming the new drummer that Mk stopped playing SOS is kind of cybermobbing.
I can understand that some of you prefer DC drumming to Iantos and others viceversa. But just try to be fair!
(SOS with Pick Withers, Terry Williams, Chris Witten, Chad Cromwell, Danny Cummings, Ed Bicknell and some jump ins, but Ian Thomas ruined it. That's ridiculous)
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Although cybermobbing is a bit heavy you might be right. Let's stay with Danny..
LE
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Although cybermobbing is a bit heavy you might be tight. Let's stay with Danny..
LE
Yes, too harsh! Sorry... But i didn't like the direction of the arguments. It had no real substance (MK has never explained why he doesn't play Sultans. But he doesn't play TOL, MFN, WOL and many more songs these days).
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Thanks for posting,
let us give a chance to Ian Thomas, he played with the greatest guitarists like Clapton and Gilmour. This is his first album with Mark and they need to know and discover each other. I'm pretty sure that something will be born on "Tracker" album and futur shows. I realy miss Danny playing especially on "Speedway" but I must admit that Ian playing is more "technical" and sophisticated, when you listen to "telegraph road", he added his personal touch and it sound different, he and Glenn works perfectly together on "Hill farmer's blues", he improvise each time and this is all the spirit of Mark's music, playing different things each night, I like that. I really like his behavior on stage, he seems interacting with other musicians perfectly.
anyway, Terry Williams was the best drummer ;).
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I've always thought that MK had been very unfair to Danny after the GL tour, even if no one here I believe knows what really happened between the two.
But if MK said one day 'hey Danny, you won't be on the next records etc.' I would find it very unfair.
There is nothing unfair here. Mark selects musicians which he thinks to work best for him. I guess that Danny is still friend of Mark
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I remembered a Danny-message on Guy's forum. It's from 28th June 2011:
"Yes, I am in contact withe Dan and this morning he sent me this note for the forum...I've just been waiting for an opportunity to post - - - - Hi Y'all, This is a note of thanks to those of you who have written into the forum and said that, they will miss me. It was so sweet of you to say so and I want to make it clear to you, how I feel. Mark and I have often talked about Ian Thomas, a really superb musician and drummer one that all other musicians admire and want to play with. With the return to the line up of Jim Cox there would probably be no better moment, to make the switch and "refresh" the band. With Ian's touch, groove and sensitivity, Mark has made "a wonderful choice". See you later Alligator Much love danny"
I also remember reading somewhere that Glen wanted/asked for a change of drummer, but I can't find it anymore.
I miss Danny terribly since he was the band member who interacted the most with the front of stage fans at the end of the shows, appreciating the "thank you" writings etc.
But I have to say that I love Ian's very subtle drumming on the Privateering album and for me it suits Mark's music perfectly. So the change makes sense to me although my heart is bleeding for no longer having Danny in the band anymore.
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I've always thought that MK had been very unfair to Danny after the GL tour, even if no one here I believe knows what really happened between the two.
But if MK said one day 'hey Danny, you won't be on the next records etc.' I would find it very unfair.
There is nothing unfair here. Mark selects musicians which he thinks to work best for him.
Fair enough indeed, though I don't see what works best since Danny left, but that's not my band ! ;)
What I THINK is unfair is, when MK called Danny some day in March 2005 to replace Chad "with no rehearsals and barely a soundcheck", Danny came and did it with "passion" and stayed for 5 years. Yes, it was a great opportunity for him but maybe he had other commitments and still he came.
Some will say that after 5 years in his band, Mark did owe nothing to Danny, fair enough too.
IT being technically better? When? Where? I'd say their styles are quite different but I don't think IT is better than DC. Danny is a very versatile player and can play any style, both on percussions AND on the drums.
But still, Danny did a wonderful job both live and in the studio. I love his drumming on Kill to get crimson and Get lucky. On stage, a subtle mix of groove, power, a great feel with MK and the rest of the band, a complete musician, a great drummer and a wise man who was able to adapt to MK's music, playing with "simplicity and precision" and with passion.
I personally think that the band sounded waaay better with Danny behind the drums, and to a certain point, with Matt on piano (but that's another story).
I thought Danny WAS in the band for good -- and he deserved it -- and I'm not the only one who misses him apparently. ;)
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I hope IT doesn't read AMIT!
For what it's worth I think that Danny was good for morale on the road as he seemed such an easy going sort of person and always enjoyed a laugh. You could tell that when the band got together at the end of the show and also on the couple of videos Guy made. I'm not saying IT isn't, but he'd do well to beat Danny.
As for who's the better player - I don't play so I don't know. I don't play keyboards either but it's pretty obvious to me that Jim is leagues ahead of Matt. Did I just contradict myself there? Ah well!
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One thing among others that I used to love
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One thing among others that I used to love
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Hi, Ds1984
Did I get you right? Are you thinking MK had dropped Sultans because of IT's drumming?
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Bluebird
I don't know why but it is strange that he did that way so obviously something wasn't right in 2013. I would have said because his guitar playing as from one night to another it was between not to bad to pretty eratic.
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One thing among others that I used to love
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Nothing new to add to this discussiob except I miss Danny loads as well! :'(
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The reason why Mark dropped Danny from the band was because Chuck Ainlay strongly suggested that he do so. Chuck actually admitted this in an interview he did last year. For some reason Chuck did not think that Danny was a very good drummer. I too miss Danny in the band and feel that Ian's style does not really fit in with Mark's music.
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The reason why Mark dropped Danny from the band was because Chuck Ainlay strongly suggested that he do so. Chuck actually admitted this in an interview he did last year. For some reason Chuck did not think that Danny was a very good drummer. I too miss Danny in the band and feel that Ian's style does not really fit in with Mark's music.
Now Chuck knows what it's like to be dropped by Mark.
Thinking about it, I suppose all these guys are only on a one album or one tour type contract so they aren't really "dropped" but just not used again.
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Yeah, this would also be my guess. But contracts and the feeling of togetherness are still two different pairs of shoes. In the end there will still be the feeling of being dropped
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Link to Chuck's interview?
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Link to Chuck's interview?
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Thinking about it, I suppose all these guys are only on a one album or one tour type contract so they aren't really "dropped" but just not used again.
Jack Sonni has said in an itw something like "with Dire Straits you were hired for a job. It's a wonderful job, but when it's over, it's over"
however, with the 96ers, several musicians are NOT only on a one album an a tour since 20 years (Richard, Glenn, etc..) so the drummer has always been a case "apart" so to say
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Chad had Chuck :thumbsup so if it hasnet been by whatever the problem he had that made him leave the MK tour he'd be probably with MK nowadays.
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I can't say so much praise words about Danny, although Sonny and Speedway was a real treat to listen.
The best MK's drummer in my opinion was Chad of course, he added something in each and every song, take 'Old Pigweed', '5:15 a.m.', he handled the beasts like 'Imelda', 'No Can Do' and 'Silvertown Blues' and, in other hand, played jazzy on 'The Ragpicker's Dream', folky on an album of the same name. Anyway songs with him are so fresh every time, its like he changed the whole drum kit for every song, very subtle, clever and professional job, like Worf's one.
I found Danny a little bit monotonous, with same sounds and patterns every time, with this straight 4/4 rock beat in each and every song, even waltzes sounds the same, I don't know how to explain this. Ian Thomas, in my opinion, kinda higgledy-piggledy drummer, who wants to play, but he do it in a hurry, and wants to end a song with his word every time. And maybe it was his idea to start 'Corned Beef City' with his solo? I don't know. I don't like his hi-hat work much. All I can say about him
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I totally disagree with that 4/4 thing about Danny
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I used to like Chad during the Golden Heart tour, not so much after that, at least live. I found him a bit monotonous and too laid back during the 2001 tour, just my 2 cent opinion of course.
I can clearly remember when I first heard Danny on stage. As I wrote before sorry, it was during the very first 2002 London show, what a mini tour and what a night, the one I will never forget ! Not only for Danny of course, but because I think he was sooo good in that band !!
During the following tours, he brought so much to the band's whole sound, no only in Speedway -- the one he will be mostly remembered -- but on many, many songs
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I miss Danny, too. And while I don't agree that he generally was the better drummer for Mark than Ianto is (just listen to Seattle, for instance
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I won't mind if I don't ever hear it live again. There are enough great versions from, hey, 1978, and enough great new songs to play today.
It's his signature song and he has to play it. If not for you, or any of us on here, then for the general fans that go and (rightly) expect to hear it. They'll be disappointed enough when they don't get to hear MFN, BIA, WOL etc. There's little enough guitar in the set these days and at least this number provides some room for improvisation. But that's another topic, and it's been discussed before. :)
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I'd say he has a SOUND and a way to play drums that I had never heard before and haven't heard since he left the band.
This is why I like "Fingers pointing at the Moon" so much because I can hear those drums and technics again.
After the London shows in 2002, I remember thinking how I would love to hear him play "Telegraph Road" and the way he played it in 2005 (and after IMO) was fantastic -- so much power and energy!
I would have loved to hear Darling pretty, a song loved by many of us, or So far from the Clyde live with Danny (and the band), but it won't never happen again probably. :'(
There were some snippets of the DS legends playing with Danny last July on youtube. I think they sounded very good and the drums
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I won't mind if I don't ever hear it live again. There are enough great versions from, hey, 1978, and enough great new songs to play today.
It's his signature song and he has to play it. If not for you, or any of us on here, then for the general fans that go and (rightly) expect to hear it. They'll be disappointed enough when they don't get to hear MFN, BIA, WOL etc. There's little enough guitar in the set these days and at least this number provides some room for improvisation. But that's another topic, and it's been discussed before. :)
Hmm, I see where you're coming from. But I don't like the idea of "general" fans that are entitled to hear any particular songs. No matter what kind of fan you are, you pay to hear Mark Knopfler play what Mark Knopfler likes to play. If someone can't live with that, they should maybe just decide not to go. And if they don't want to take any risks, they should check previous setlists in advance. That will give them a pretty good idea of what to expect. ;) Personally, I think Mark's decision to drop some of these signature songs is a bold one, and deserves a lot of applause. He knows exactly that masses of people will be disappointed. He knowingly takes the risk of losing a big chunk of his audience. But maybe playing something that truly inspires him is worth more to him. I admire him for that (among many other things).
The worst concert I ever saw was Paul McCartney. He had a brand new album out but didn't play one single song from it. He played tons of Beatles songs instead
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I won't mind if I don't ever hear it live again. There are enough great versions from, hey, 1978, and enough great new songs to play today.
It's his signature song and he has to play it. If not for you, or any of us on here, then for the general fans that go and (rightly) expect to hear it. They'll be disappointed enough when they don't get to hear MFN, BIA, WOL etc. There's little enough guitar in the set these days and at least this number provides some room for improvisation. But that's another topic, and it's been discussed before. :)
Hmm, I see where you're coming from. But I don't like the idea of "general" fans that are entitled to hear any particular songs. No matter what kind of fan you are, you pay to hear Mark Knopfler play what Mark Knopfler likes to play. If someone can't live with that, they should maybe just decide not to go. And if they don't want to take any risks, they should check previous setlists in advance. That will give them a pretty good idea of what to expect. ;) Personally, I think Mark's decision to drop some of these signature songs is a bold one, and deserves a lot of applause. He knows exactly that masses of people will be disappointed. He knowingly takes the risk of losing a big chunk of his audience. But maybe playing something that truly inspires him is worth more to him. I admire him for that (among many other things).
The worst concert I ever saw was Paul McCartney. He had a brand new album out but didn't play one single song from it. He played tons of Beatles songs instead
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My nightmare scenario would be MK doing a "greatest hits" concert and it being a disaster! I would much rather he played the songs he is comfortable playing at this stage in his life, even if they have less guitar in them than before. Sometimes I cringe when he plays BIA these days. Best to remember these iconic songs as they used to be played. :)
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Edit: bold and admirable, or from the other side of the fence: selfish and arrogant.
It depends on who is being selfish and arrogant - MK for playing what he wants to play, or those who want him to play what he doesn't want to play. :-\
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We are leaving the original thread here, but I might add that it was easier to be an MK fan in the 1990's.. I am not an unquestioning fanboy anymore. It seems that MK absolutely likes to be in his comfort zone. EVERY band in the world would sound great after playing all these songs hundred and hundred of times.. no experiments, no sophisticated and demanding changes.. only saftey-net music..
In 2011, I really admired MK for his decision (and it was bold indeed) to start the Bob-experiment without any Dire Straits song in the set and coming up with three GREAT NEW UNRELEASED tunes - indeed we learned later that these new songs weren't even recorded then.. So that was a great way of coming back and it was somehow the birth of this actual line-up (and therefore it is pretty sure that CBC, Priv. and Haul Away stay in every set with this band)
It must be easy to get the boys back - minimum effort, so to say. Rehearsals is more or less not really necessary and comes from the ultra safety feeling of Mark's. I would love the band to skip Marbletown or at least shorten it to 10 minutes maximum, but that will not happen. I would love to hear Sultans because the moment the audience cheers afterwards is priceless everytime. It seems MK skips it BECAUSE he thinks they only cheer at this old song, that is somewhat disrespectful against my new stuff, so I skip it..
Reading this, I guess I am between those two feelings. Well, it is not easy being an MK fan sometimes.. ;D
LE
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Thinking about it, I suppose all these guys are only on a one album or one tour type contract so they aren't really "dropped" but just not used again.
Jack Sonni has said in an itw something like "with Dire Straits you were hired for a job. It's a wonderful job, but when it's over, it's over"
however, with the 96ers, several musicians are NOT only on a one album an a tour since 20 years (Richard, Glenn, etc..) so the drummer has always been a case "apart" so to say
You have to consider that for the 2002 tour there would have been some major changes in the band. In 2005 back to the almost same 2001 line-up.
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It seems MK skips it BECAUSE he thinks they only cheer at this old song, that is somewhat disrespectful against my new stuff, so I skip it..
Only speculating.
I think (so yes also speculation) this is because he is not pleased anymore with the way he performs it... I don't get the with the "too much success rejection syndrome" idea
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I think (so yes also speculation) this is because he is not pleased anymore with the way he performs it...
Well, no one is, so who can blame him for that? Let's face it: He can't play it like he used to could. No problem with that, though, as long as he writes and plays great new songs.
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loved ianto's playing on sailing to Philadelphia and sonny in 2011, but 2013 just wished danny was back on with sultans , speedway, and even sonny didn't seem right either , but................ on to another tour:)))) where everything is played a tiny bit different from the last ,and I cant wait:)))))))))))))))))))) , just wish he would drop Romeo and Juliet and so far away!!
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@LE: normally i admire your logical approaches, but your comment is full with contradictions. I think you're lost in something called MK-Paradox. And i think this is the reason why you're fan. ;)
And in the 90's we were younger. And it was easier to have pure fan spirit, getting older you become more critical... So please don't hang on in the past. :wave
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NO problem - I first had to read my last post as some time went by since I wrote it. . :lol
LE
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I was listening to the album version "Silvertown Blues" and wondered once again why it has never popped-up live, although it has been discussed before. I found it sounded very similar to "Yon Two Crows" on some parts.
I would have loved to have Danny and Co play "Silvertown" live, he - Danny - would have played it loud.
Same with "Yon two crows" by the way
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Campaign for Silvertown for the upcoming tour starts NOW! He plays the o2 down by Silvertown Way so if ever there was a time, now is that time.
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Never liked Silvertown anyway. If you listen to the bootleg of them trying it in 2001 it's clear that MK is right that it doesn't work.
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It's so lonely at the top. And big business, such as recording and touring with a band, involving decisions and money, sometimes come before friendship. The whys and whats are solely amongst the players. Danny gives the most gentle answers about a complex situation. And so did Jack. Regardless of which player we prefer, we can't understand because we don't know the facts. And on interview sometimes a half truth slips out and creates more turmoil than it should. Enjoy the music.
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Never liked Silvertown anyway. If you listen to the bootleg of them trying it in 2001 it's clear that MK is right that it doesn't work.
I would agree with that but as they old proverb goes: if at first you don't succeed, try, try again. :)
In fact I believe the version Mark went along with is: If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then quit. There's no point in being a damn fool about it. -W.C. Fields. ;D
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Never liked Silvertown anyway. If you listen to the bootleg of them trying it in 2001 it's clear that MK is right that it doesn't work.
I agree about the soundcheck version, but I love the studio version
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Did Mark ever seriously considered playing it live?
I heard that this one was the most complicated to record, Mark failing to get the desired result with his vocals capability.
You can imagine that live and without his studio backup singers a perfectionist like him did give little chance to it. He tried and probably though "I will never success with that one - waaaaay too difficult for me".
IMHO, the best song from STP.
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You can judge yourself
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_7KXbZXx6A
I see it quiet similar to Yon Two Crows, it lacks of other instruments filling the musical gaps in general...
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Yes, true. Yon two crows i liked also live, specially the outro solo (obviously, seeing my nickname ;) ) But you're right something is missing to get the whole train stamping
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I don't think the sound quality does it any favours to be perfectly honest; tons of echo echo.
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I can't see any similarity to Yon Two Crows? :hmm
Obviously I miss something...
LE
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I can't see any similarity to Yon Two Crows? :hmm
Obviously I miss something...
LE
Well similarity is not obvious, but overall mood, 'far playing' drums, drama and energetic distorted power chords was a basis for both songs.
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Ok! :thumbsup
That's what I hear, too!
However, I would have never come to the conclusion to compare those two songs.. amit is SO educational! :wave
LE
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The first time I heard Yon two crows, I immediately tought to Silvertown blues
and Ingo did the same :
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