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Title: (3) River Towns (6:16)
Post by: shangri la 1 on February 22, 2015, 01:30:18 am
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River Towns (Mark Knopfler)


LYRICS
   I came in three days early
To meet my boat
It ain’t the life of Riley
But it’s keeping me afloat
It’s quiet over Christmas
If you got no place to go
I got my home from river rats
The only home I know

I found myself a flophouse
And I hit the streets at nine
Get some grub and drink a beer
Maybe go down the line
These chips will take your money
Shake a young man down
It’s the same in every one of these
Sorry river towns

River towns, sorry river towns
River towns
River towns, sorry river towns
River towns

Well I picked me up a bottle
To take back to the room
Then I saw a young girl standing
In a doorway in the gloom
We’d hardly started talking
The old scenario
And I just let her work me over
Down by the Ohio

River towns, sorry river towns
River towns
River towns, sorry river towns
River towns

When I asked her if she’d like to stay
She was down my stairs so quick
I never asked what got her started
With the sorry river tricks
So I get the bottle open
But something’s hit a nerve
And I’m looking in the mirror
At the face that I deserve

River towns, sorry river towns
River towns
River towns, sorry river towns
River towns



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Post by: Ar (aka Enlight) on March 12, 2015, 02:16:45 am
Got a kind of  "All the Roadrunning" melody in it , during the two lines of the verse.
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Post by: border_reiver on March 12, 2015, 07:13:22 am
If this was faster it could have been a  Springsteen song  :think
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Post by: jbaent on March 12, 2015, 09:18:48 am
According to the credits, Guy plays bass in this one!!!!!
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Post by: foma on March 12, 2015, 10:20:03 am
River Town chords are now added in my Tracker Songbook: http://amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?topic=4152.msg90543#msg90543
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Post by: jbaent on March 12, 2015, 11:24:01 am
In some of the parts MK sings the same melody he sung in "Stand Up Guy"
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Post by: Nick14 on March 12, 2015, 01:26:15 pm
Very modern Springsteen like - and the sax is very like later period Clarence Clemons - compare this song to Clemons solo on something like Secret Garden - very very similar! Very nice song from Mark.
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Post by: Ar (aka Enlight) on March 12, 2015, 03:17:09 pm
River Town chords are now added in my Tracker Songbook: http://amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?topic=4152.msg90543#msg90543


Thanks Foma, I ,as a guitarist myself,think you are doing a really great job.
All your efforts in figuring out the chords  , also for your upcoming songs a thanks in advance, are highly appreciated :clap
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Post by: MisterYES on March 12, 2015, 10:00:56 pm
In some of the parts MK sings the same melody he sung in "Stand Up Guy"
Actually no other/previous Album sounded so "recycled" as this one...musically, or any other way...

I was looking for appropriate topic to say this, but did not find such, so I'll do it here.

I could go literally song by song and saying things (as I did reply on few songs related topics already) like "this song basically is "that (old) song meets this (old) one", and so on...like as River Towns is less boring version of Follow the Ribbon.

But, by "recycled" I do not mean anything negative. More just like "artist's signature" thing...and I'm happy to find that all this new ones, are far better that those which parts I can hear in there...like the "Silver Eagle is "Get Lucky" meets "Devil Baby" with guitar from "Car was the one" + Shangri-La atmosphere" but I like it already more than any of those (which are great ones still) ;) "Laughs and Jokes" is cheered up version of "All the road-running" ...etc etc...

But boy, does it sound awesome!  :clap :thumbsup
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Post by: Dutchessy on March 12, 2015, 10:57:44 pm
Yeah, like Guy said before: it's all from the same brain :lol
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Post by: yontwocrows on March 12, 2015, 11:05:47 pm
I think its also part of the concept of the album. To explore the own path in musical history and to cite the decisive points. So it's logical that the songs reminds on other songs. And he tries also reminds his influences (JJ Cale / EC / Bob / Beatles / Brubeck ) Missing Hank Marvin and Elvis???
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Post by: Throttle on March 14, 2015, 10:01:27 am
Got almost a sensual enjoyment from this enchanting song.
In addition, I'm just thrilled with lazy vibrations of his voice, coupled with a subtle irony.

Probably, 10 out of 10
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Post by: superval99 on March 14, 2015, 02:00:49 pm
Took a while for me to love this song, but now it's one of my favourites.  I can hear phrases from "Beachcombing" and also "Stand up Guy".   Love the saxophone!   :)
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Post by: Knopflerfan on March 14, 2015, 05:02:15 pm
Its certainly grown on me too! Espeically with the thought of MK hitchiking from Penzance on Christmas day too!!
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Post by: yontwocrows on March 14, 2015, 05:04:32 pm
This is certainly a grower. It climbs higher and higher in my personal favourits
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Post by: ingridswing on March 14, 2015, 05:05:26 pm
Same here
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Post by: Ingo on March 16, 2015, 01:16:46 pm
This is certainly a grower. It climbs higher and higher in my personal favourits

True for me, too.
Especially the outro groove !!  :clap
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Post by: LoveExpresso on March 16, 2015, 01:19:14 pm
No grower here. It was my top favourite from the first listen. Love it.

LE
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Post by: border_reiver on March 16, 2015, 01:22:57 pm
I agree with you!

I voted it on the Top 5 :)
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Post by: recon on March 18, 2015, 11:21:50 pm
Has anyone here read the story, "A Room Forever" by Breece D'J Pancake, that inspired Mark to write this song?
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Post by: Nick14 on March 19, 2015, 01:19:54 pm
I agree that this is a great song - real depth and power to this one and very much part of the great start to the album.
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Post by: Lestroid on March 19, 2015, 09:25:15 pm
Has anyone here read the story, "A Room Forever" by Breece D'J Pancake, that inspired Mark to write this song?

I have not read it, but in looking at the author's biography,  it is in keeping with many of Mark's  other songs.  Breece Pancake was a talented short story writer who had published a couple of stories in the Atlantic  Monthly, which is a fairly  prestigious literary magazine. He was from West Virginia, which is a poor, rural, coal mining state with a lot of similarities  to the northeast of England. He committed  suicide in 1979 at age 26 and his collected short stories were posthumously  nominated for the Pulitzer Prize.  He was clearly a very talented writer who killed himself just as he was beginning to  make  his mark.

Hopefully  I can track down a copy of his short story.
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Post by: straitsway75 on March 20, 2015, 02:50:44 pm
I've found it at Amazon, "The Stories of Breece D'J Pancake", only $7.34

"I hear him in there laughing at me, laughing because I am alone. All the way down the stairs I can hear his laugh. He is right: I need a woman - not just a lousy chip - I need the laying quiet after that a chip never heard of. When I come to the lobby full of fat women and old men, I think how this is all the home I have. Maybe I have bought this room forever - I just might not need another flop after tonight."
 :thumbsup :thumbsup
"A Room Forever" is very short and very brutal, not in a sense that the blood is spilling out.

"I look at her, think what she could be if she had a break or two. But she won't get them here. Nobody here gets a break."

I understand why MK might have felt a need to somehow make up for the dark, cold world of sorry river towns by ending the song with this moral, self-reflective remark of the main character ("But something’s hit a nerve / And I’m looking in the mirror / At the face that I deserve"), which you won't find in the book ("I look for her in the mirror but she is gone.", "I have not gotten that low."). In Pancake's reality there's no guilt, no crime and punishment, only a silent acceptance, summed up with the second mate's observation on a "stumblebum" and himself:

"I think how there must be ten of his kind in every town down to the delta, and how the odds on ending up that way must be pretty low. Something goes screwy and they grab the wrong wire, make a stupid move on the locks. But if nothing goes wrong, then they are on for a month, off for a month, and if they are lucky they can live that way the rest of their days."
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Post by: Lestroid on March 20, 2015, 03:19:27 pm
MK really nails the feeling of the short story with the song.  Glad I downloaded the book.  Some writers have a way of telling a story that sticks with you long after you finish reading, and Breece Pancake is one of those.  I can see why MK was moved to write a song based on his work.

I have to say that MK has introduced me to a lot of excellent writing.  He would have been an excellent literature lecturer, I'm sure.

For anyone who wants to sample Breece Pancake's other work, here are a couple of links to his short stories that were published in The Atlantic.  "A Room Forever", which is the story that River Town is based on was not published in the Atlantic, so for that you need a copy of his collected stories.


http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1982/10/hollow/376308/

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1978/08/in-the-dry/376290/

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1977/12/trilobites/376288/
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Post by: surferboy on March 20, 2015, 04:15:46 pm
Thanks recon for sharing this with us!
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Post by: Knopflerfan on March 20, 2015, 05:44:53 pm
Deffo a massive grower on me also.....
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Post by: nababo on March 23, 2015, 10:13:22 pm
It was one of my favourites since the first auditions. Not a grower. It was always there.
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Post by: Lis on March 24, 2015, 02:37:52 am
Instant love for me too.  The sax on this is perfect. 
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Post by: foma on March 26, 2015, 01:29:34 am
This song is a bit like 'Mississippi' by Bob Dylan, anybody noticed? The studio version indeed.
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Post by: yontwocrows on March 29, 2015, 08:57:54 pm
Although Lestroid gave this information already, here is an Interview quote by Mark about the song that conferms the background
:
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“River Towns” was a short story by a writer who’s not well known. He’s an American writer called Breece D’J Pancake, who wrote about the people of West Virginia. He actually committed suicide when he was 26. It was very tragic. He could really have been the future.
  http://www.salon.com/2015/03/28/mark_knopfler_this_getting_older_stuff_ain%E2%80%99t_for_wimps/ (http://www.salon.com/2015/03/28/mark_knopfler_this_getting_older_stuff_ain%E2%80%99t_for_wimps/)
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Post by: Lis on March 29, 2015, 09:33:43 pm
I think this song has moved from "instant love" to "perfect love".  It is my favorite from Tracker - which says a lot, since there are so many beautiful songs to treasure. 
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Post by: Throttle on March 29, 2015, 09:40:40 pm
Lis, looks like, we are in the same boat  :wave
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Post by: dmg on March 29, 2015, 10:16:49 pm
Lis, looks like, we are in the same boat  :wave

Groan.  :disbelief
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Post by: Lis on March 29, 2015, 11:35:48 pm
Lis, looks like, we are in the same boat  :wave

Groan.  :disbelief

Hahaha, Throttle -- and dmg!  :D

Glad we agree on so much here, Throttle!!!
(dmg... not so much.  Hahahaha!!)  ;D
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Post by: Jarle on March 30, 2015, 06:39:23 am
Very modern Springsteen like - and the sax is very like later period Clarence Clemons - compare this song to Clemons solo on something like Secret Garden - very very similar! Very nice song from Mark.

My thought too :)
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Post by: telegraph78 on April 01, 2015, 02:17:31 pm
this song is definitly my favorite of the album
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Post by: border_reiver on April 01, 2015, 02:26:28 pm
I love how the horn section seems to imitate fog horns.
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Post by: Lis on April 01, 2015, 03:53:27 pm
I love how the horn section seems to imitate fog horns.
Yup!!!  It's very nicely done - very rich sounding.  I feel I am on the river when I hear the horns.
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Post by: LoveExpresso on April 02, 2015, 11:14:14 am
After the sax break (or solo) there is a guitar sound from MK which appears later in the outro again - has a very Daniel Lanois sound feeling to me -
and I cannot remember having heard that guitar sound before on any MK recording. Could some guitar freak work out what guitar that might be or tell me anything about it?

I do not listen to Tracker on a daily base anymore BUT I manage to listen to River Town and Mighty Man at least once a day.. my absolute favourite tracks!

LE
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Post by: Dutchessy on April 02, 2015, 11:20:49 am
After the sax break (or solo) there is a guitar sound from MK which appears later in the outro again - has a very Daniel Lanois sound feeling to me -
and I cannot remember having heard that guitar sound before on any MK recording. Could some guitar freak work out what guitar that might be or tell me anything about it?

I do not listen to Tracker on a daily base anymore BUT I manage to listen to River Town and Mighty Man at least once a day.. my absolute favourite tracks!

LE

Daniel Lohues?  :lol
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Post by: holaknopfler on April 02, 2015, 11:27:03 am
After the sax break (or solo) there is a guitar sound from MK which appears later in the outro again - has a very Daniel Lanois sound feeling to me -
and I cannot remember having heard that guitar sound before on any MK recording. Could some guitar freak work out what guitar that might be or tell me anything about it?

I do not listen to Tracker on a daily base anymore BUT I manage to listen to River Town and Mighty Man at least once a day.. my absolute favourite tracks!

LE

Daniel Lohues?  :lol

Wie dut mij wat, wie dut mij wat, wie dut mij wat vandaage ;D
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Post by: LoveExpresso on April 02, 2015, 11:28:35 am
thanks mate for getting SO off-topic SO fast...  :P ::) :wave The question was important to me actually.

LE
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Post by: border_reiver on April 02, 2015, 11:01:35 pm
After the sax break (or solo) there is a guitar sound from MK which appears later in the outro again - has a very Daniel Lanois sound feeling to me -
and I cannot remember having heard that guitar sound before on any MK recording. Could some guitar freak work out what guitar that might be or tell me anything about it?

I do not listen to Tracker on a daily base anymore BUT I manage to listen to River Town and Mighty Man at least once a day.. my absolute favourite tracks!

LE

I'm taking a wild guess at the Strat with the Seymour Duncan lipstick-pickups he got for the Dylan tour. Sounds glassy :)
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Post by: Hugo97 on April 22, 2017, 04:20:06 pm
New song "Thinking of a Place" by The War on Drugs really reminds me of this one. It's lovely and the two really flow together nicely. Would love for MK to take a more atmospheric/ambient approach on songs like these some day  :think

https://vimeo.com/213900454
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Post by: quizzaciously on April 22, 2017, 04:40:15 pm
New song "Thinking of a Place" by The War on Drugs really reminds me of this one. It's lovely and the two really flow together nicely. Would love for MK to take a more atmospheric/ambient approach on songs like these some day  :think

https://vimeo.com/213900454

A nice comparison... If Guy will gain even more power I'm sure he would convince Mark to do a song like this ;D
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Post by: Robson on July 11, 2018, 02:32:36 pm
"A few years ago I've read Rising Tide, a great book about the floods from Mississipi. They call the river The Old Man, in that region. The power of the watet from the Mississipi is unkown. I find that region and the towns Natchez, Hastings and Memphis very mystical. Also this nummer goes about a person in a book, this time from Breed D'J Pancake, a writer of short fictious stories. It's about a crane operator who works in the haven and terribly lonely, but doesn't really care about that. Pancake killed himself when he was 26. Loneliness is a problem in the current society, that hardly gets any attention"

I was always touched by this statement by MK
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Post by: Robson on July 11, 2018, 02:40:38 pm
I also found another one about River Towns more personal to Mark.
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Post by: Love Expresso on July 12, 2018, 09:39:19 am
Ok? Share it?

LE
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Post by: jbaent on July 12, 2018, 10:46:33 am
Ok? Share it?

LE

I guess he did it. I mean, he didn't expressed well what he wanted to say. I understand he means this is a very personal song to MK.
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Post by: Robson on July 12, 2018, 11:39:56 am
Another MK story about River Towns is almost the same but the last two sentences are more personal. I have to translate. Because I only have the version in my language.
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Post by: Robson on July 12, 2018, 02:57:23 pm
I do not have to explain, because I remembered that this story is on the official DVD from the last album

Uff ;)