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Title: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: shangri la 1 on March 02, 2015, 05:12:47 am
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Terminal of Tribute To (Mark Knopfler)


LYRICS
On the road again in cabaret
Grey hair and Fenders
Old ghosts revisited today
No original members

Pick out a pretty one and toss your hair
Seems foolish when you’re older
You always felt you never had your share
A chip on both your shoulders

You’ve been faking it so long
Now you don’t know right from wrong
Or what the future has in store for you
In the terminal of tribute to

Every day you take the bitter pill
The minibus driver says and you are who
You never made it and you never will
In the terminal of tribute to

Where your plans are forever falling through
And your dreams are movies never shot
And you’re someone, a shadow passing through
Nobody ever knew, so nobody forgot

Your bag has fallen from the carousel
They say one day it could come back to you
Exactly when nobody can tell
In the terminal of tribute to

You’ve been faking it so long
Now you don’t know right from wrong
Or what the future has in store for you
In the terminal of tribute to

You’ve been faking it so long
Now you don’t know right from wrong
Or what the future has in store for you
In the terminal of tribute to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2E7kqXg3k4Q
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: herlock on March 12, 2015, 12:12:55 am
Gosh ! Is this dedicated to Alan Clark, Phil Palmer and possibly others ? In that case that's very violent ... More than Gilmour's "what do you want from me ..."
And by the way which one was pink ? ;)
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Post by: jbaent on March 12, 2015, 09:20:19 am
I thought the same... This looks written for Alan, Chris, Phil etc etc

Now, take a read at "OKlahoma Ponnies"...
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Post by: Marijo58 on March 12, 2015, 09:57:59 am
I thought the same... This looks written for Alan, Chris, Phil etc etc

Now, take a read at "OKlahoma Ponnies"...

My question in that case is why did he wrote this song? I don't really understand!!!!!!!!! ???
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: jbaent on March 12, 2015, 10:00:51 am
Writting songs it´s his way yo express himself...

Now... take "Let´s See You" and read the lyrics, thinking in all the arguments he had with Ed Bicknell during the recordings and production days of the "STP" record, before they broke their relationship, and you will see that MK is talking about it along the song... and, yes, Ed had a gold arm chair  ;D
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: binone on March 12, 2015, 11:46:07 am
In Guy´s forum: "Hello, Doc, Is this song what it seems? If the answer is yes, Mark got nuts!!!"

He answers: "I couldn't possibly comment"    ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Marijo58 on March 12, 2015, 11:47:29 am
Writting songs it´s his way yo express himself...

Now... take "Let´s See You" and read the lyrics, thinking in all the arguments he had with Ed Bicknell during the recordings and production days of the "STP" record, before they broke their relationship, and you will see that MK is talking about it along the song... and, yes, Ed had a gold arm chair  ;D

Yes Jbaent but if he didn't approve the Straits's shows why didn't he tell them directly when they were making them? I thought that he still owned the songs they sang or are they now belonging to the Dire Straits period. Anyway it's not going to be easy for the Straits to digest this song!!
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Marijo58 on March 12, 2015, 11:52:43 am
In Guy´s forum: "Hello, Doc, Is this song what it seems? If the answer is yes, Mark got nuts!!!"

He answers: "I couldn't possibly comment"    ;D ;D ;D ;D

LOL of course Guy can't comment this question, if I remember correctly he said himself that his favourite song on Tracker was precisely this one!! :wave
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: herlock on March 12, 2015, 02:45:08 pm
Writting songs it´s his way yo express himself...

Now... take "Let´s See You" and read the lyrics, thinking in all the arguments he had with Ed Bicknell during the recordings and production days of the "STP" record, before they broke their relationship, and you will see that MK is talking about it along the song... and, yes, Ed had a gold arm chair  ;D

Yes Jbaent but if he didn't approve the Straits's shows why didn't he tell them directly when they were making them? I thought that he still owned the songs they sang or are they now belonging to the Dire Straits period. Anyway it's not going to be easy for the Straits to digest this song!!
As far as I know there are no rights attached to playing songs from other artists. There are rights attached to the writing, the publishing, and the playback of disks. Now if whoever wants to play Sultans in front of whatever crowd,  I think nobody can stop them...
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Marijo58 on March 12, 2015, 04:08:58 pm
Writting songs it´s his way yo express himself...

Now... take "Let´s See You" and read the lyrics, thinking in all the arguments he had with Ed Bicknell during the recordings and production days of the "STP" record, before they broke their relationship, and you will see that MK is talking about it along the song... and, yes, Ed had a gold arm chair  ;D

Yes Jbaent but if he didn't approve the Straits's shows why didn't he tell them directly when they were making them? I thought that he still owned the songs they sang or are they now belonging to the Dire Straits period. Anyway it's not going to be easy for the Straits to digest this song!!
As far as I know there are no rights attached to playing songs from other artists. There are rights attached to the writing, the publishing, and the playback of disks. Now if whoever wants to play Sultans in front of whatever crowd,  I think nobody can stop them...

Yes you're right Herlock, anyone can sing Sultans of Swing but these guys are his former band and I assumed wrongly that he was ok with this!!! Had really no idea he'd react like that!! It came as a total surprise!! But well maybe there's been something bad between them that I don't know anything about!! Showbusiness is the same everywhere!!
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: jbaent on March 12, 2015, 04:15:00 pm
I didnt notice this sentence:

"You always felt you never had your share"

This sentence is a clear reference to Alan, describes pretty well his relationship with MK during the last DS days, I read that Alan used to complain about he never got the credit he deserved from his contributions with the band, and thats why in OES says that DS are MK, JI, AC and GF.
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: jbaent on March 12, 2015, 04:19:05 pm
And this:

"Where your plans are forever falling through
And your dreams are movies never shot"

Guy recently told in his forum, about Alan working this days in his all stuff, that he already worked with him in his own songs years ago, and never got anywhere with it...
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: dmg on March 12, 2015, 04:21:45 pm
Every line like a dagger through the heart.  Ouch!

I'm a bit shocked to be honest.  This will seriously offend.
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Post by: Marijo58 on March 12, 2015, 04:53:14 pm
Every line like a dagger through the heart.  Ouch!

I'm a bit shocked to be honest.  This will seriously offend.

I agree with you dmg but there's got to be a good reason for this song!!!! You don't start to go public like he does if the other part has not done something terribly wrong before or what do you think???
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Post by: wakeywakey on March 12, 2015, 04:57:59 pm
It's got the best solo of the 16 songs I've heard,the lyrics make it even better:)
This has to be played live with one or two guests from the old days!
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Post by: LoveExpresso on March 12, 2015, 05:04:16 pm
It's a statement. How long has that chapter been discussed in Guy's forum. The question what MK thinks of all the cover bands has been brought up so often. So many discussions. So much bad blood. You never heard him say anything about it. Now he has done what he does best - he has written a song about it.

LE
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: richardmu on March 12, 2015, 05:13:10 pm
Ok just heard the bonus tracks.

Terminal of Tribute to....  this imho is the best song released and didn't even make the album. Way better than at least 5 of the tracks on the album proper.
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Jarle on March 12, 2015, 05:46:19 pm
Every line like a dagger through the heart.  Ouch!

I'm a bit shocked to be honest.  This will seriously offend.

I agree with you dmg but there's got to be a good reason for this song!!!! You don't start to go public like he does if the other part has not done something terribly wrong before or what do you think???

I suppose there is good reasons for this song, whatever it is about. I really like it!
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Banjo99uk on March 12, 2015, 05:46:48 pm
if any kind folk could pm me a link to listen to bonus songs id be very grateful
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: border_reiver on March 12, 2015, 05:47:56 pm
The lyrics are truly an arrow to a number of hearts!
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: dmg on March 12, 2015, 05:48:43 pm
Every line like a dagger through the heart.  Ouch!

I'm a bit shocked to be honest.  This will seriously offend.

I agree with you dmg but there's got to be a good reason for this song!!!! You don't start to go public like he does if the other part has not done something terribly wrong before or what do you think???

I think everyone knows I have been in the "no" camp as far as The Straits are concerned but for me this is obvious that with Mark you don't get seconds chances.  If you offend him, that's it!  Doesn't even matter if you're his brother.  He doesn't appear to offer forgiveness or reconcileation if you offend him, although I perhaps shouldn't judge too much.  I am looking as an outsider after all.
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Jarle on March 12, 2015, 05:58:04 pm
It's a statement. How long has that chapter been discussed in Guy's forum. The question what MK thinks of all the cover bands has been brought up so often. So many discussions. So much bad blood. You never heard him say anything about it. Now he has done what he does best - he has written a song about it.

LE

Well said, LE. It's a statement.
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Post by: herlock on March 12, 2015, 06:03:46 pm
Wouldn't mind the same  :)
Same... Please :)
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: wakeywakey on March 12, 2015, 06:11:26 pm
I'm open to pms if anyone wants 5 of the extra songs.
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Post by: Marijo58 on March 12, 2015, 06:37:43 pm
It's a statement. How long has that chapter been discussed in Guy's forum. The question what MK thinks of all the cover bands has been brought up so often. So many discussions. So much bad blood. You never heard him say anything about it. Now he has done what he does best - he has written a song about it.

LE

Well said, LE. It's a statement.

Must be a statement indeed and it's a direct one!!! Well it doesn't really matter as I never followed the battle between Dire Straits members and MK  when he rightly decided to start making solo albums!!! But God it must have been very hard times for him if he had to get it out of his chest now in 2015!!!
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Post by: xardas on March 12, 2015, 06:40:24 pm
please can someone post a link, so we all can hear bonus songs..

or please in my PM.
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Marijo58 on March 12, 2015, 06:51:43 pm
please can someone post a link, so we all can hear bonus songs..

or please in my PM.

Same for me please, thanks a lot!! :thumbsup :wave
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Dutchessy on March 12, 2015, 06:52:45 pm
Awsome song!! Some great guitar!!
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Post by: xardas on March 12, 2015, 06:55:15 pm
Found it.. Same as for the rest of the songs..  :smack

http://vk.com/markknopfler
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Banjo99uk on March 12, 2015, 06:59:52 pm
Cracking tune. I agree this should have been on the basic album.
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Post by: Justme on March 12, 2015, 07:13:44 pm
Somehow it reminds me of that angry lead-out of "It Never Rains".
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Post by: dmg on March 12, 2015, 07:15:34 pm
Awesome man!  This sure put a smile on my face!  ;D
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Post by: herlock on March 12, 2015, 07:43:49 pm
This song is great ! better than anything on the main album !
I am getting really tired of this 20th-century outdated thing called "extra tracks" if you buy this super-rare expensive box that can only be found in Zimbaboue.... TIRED. Give me whatever price tag you want and include every song there is to get in the package and that's it !
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Justme on March 12, 2015, 07:56:40 pm
This song is great ! better than anything on the main album !
I am getting really tired of this 20th-century outdated thing called "extra tracks" if you buy this super-rare expensive box that can only be found in Zimbaboue.... TIRED. Give me whatever price tag you want and include every song there is to get in the package and that's it !

You should have bought the Liechtenstein edition. It contains all bonus songs and a b/w picture of a danish duck. Err, ok, that was lame.
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Post by: foma on March 12, 2015, 08:23:05 pm
Musically, this one is VERY close to Junkie Doll. Almost like 'Junkie Doll: Part 2'.
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Post by: dmg on March 12, 2015, 08:26:24 pm
Musically, this one is VERY close to Junkie Doll. Almost like 'Junkie Doll: Part 2'.

Never a bad thing.  JD was always one of my favourites, especially live.
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: foma on March 12, 2015, 09:09:21 pm
Musically, this one is VERY close to Junkie Doll. Almost like 'Junkie Doll: Part 2'.

what ? not really

Yep. Some parts are nearly identical, although key is different.

EPIC 'Terminal Of Tribute To' chords are now added in my Tracker Songbook: http://amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?topic=4152.msg90543#msg90543
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Post by: foma on March 12, 2015, 09:19:33 pm
Well chord progression on line 'You’ve been faking it so long' can be found in Junkie Doll to be precise.

Don't want to argue with that, it's just same chord progression in one part, never meant to say those songs are similar.
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Post by: straitsway75 on March 12, 2015, 09:45:54 pm
Please boys I m in late please or a pm
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Post by: LoveExpresso on March 12, 2015, 09:58:34 pm
I don't understand the title grammatically. About the "to" followed by nothing. . Please explain someone, for a simple mind...

LE
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Post by: Vesper on March 12, 2015, 10:00:40 pm
I don't understand the title grammatically. About the "to" followed by nothing. . Please explain someone, for a simple mind...

LE

I seem to have the same question. Good one LE!
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Post by: Marijo58 on March 12, 2015, 10:01:35 pm
A really awesome song, like it more than I can describe it in english!!! Pity that it's not on the CD I ordered, I guess I'll have to buy it separately!!! Bravo Maestro Knopfler!!! :clap
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Post by: dmg on March 12, 2015, 10:04:58 pm
I don't understand the title grammatically. About the "to" followed by nothing. . Please explain someone, for a simple mind...

LE


I would have thought it would have been listed as "Terminal of Tribute To..."  Obviously I must be wrong.  I can only assume that he meant Dire Straits would follow the word "To" if the song is written about The Straits, that is and that this is the name of the band he uses in the song instead.

You never made it and you never will
In the terminal of tribute to

Meaning the band members will never make it in this band called "Terminal of Tribute To."
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Post by: dannr1 on March 12, 2015, 10:26:05 pm
This song is great ! better than anything on the main album !
I am getting really tired of this 20th-century outdated thing called "extra tracks" if you buy this super-rare expensive box that can only be found in Zimbaboue.... TIRED. Give me whatever price tag you want and include every song there is to get in the package and that's it !
Amen to that
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Post by: dmg on March 12, 2015, 10:27:19 pm
 :thumbsup Go Mark!  :thumbsup
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Post by: TJ on March 12, 2015, 10:38:07 pm
I always wondered if "Everybody Pays" was for his brother...
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Post by: wakeywakey on March 12, 2015, 10:57:40 pm
The title has been left open ended so the lyrics can apply to any tribute band/act,as opposed to just one(if one was named.)
It's scathing but not specifically so.
 
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Post by: dustyvalentino on March 12, 2015, 11:33:48 pm
Sounds like an old Cream song or something? Not sure which one.

And where does this leave John Illsley, does he get a free pass to go and play with all these guys?
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Post by: foma on March 12, 2015, 11:38:09 pm
When I transcribed the song, I thought all the time that it's just too cruel. I think next level would be Mark just swear in the lyrics.
But it clearly shows his attitude on this tributes. As for John Illsley, I think Mark can forgive him everything after his illness.
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Post by: Dutchessy on March 12, 2015, 11:45:44 pm
Sounds like an old Cream song or something? Not sure which one.

And where does this leave John Illsley, does he get a free pass to go and play with all these guys?

Let it grow by Clapton
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Post by: yontwocrows on March 12, 2015, 11:48:03 pm
Awesome song! Not sure about the meaning yet! Although all your theories sound very logical and convincing, and Guys answer on the forum ist also a hint that he addresses The Straits. Certainly all Tribute Bands!
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Post by: herlock on March 12, 2015, 11:54:04 pm
The song reminds me of "what God wants, part iii" on roger waters 1992 "Amused to death": a real masterpiece, but quite harsh:" don't be afraid, it's only business... " after a snipset of echoes, shine on, and breathe, to mock Gimour-led pink Floyd...

As for JI, well, he is touring under his own name (no Straits in it) and is also promoting his own albums, so I guess this is less serious an offense. . and JI never claimed to have co-written TR as Alan did... John knows how to stay at the right place !
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Post by: dustyvalentino on March 13, 2015, 12:03:51 am
As for JI, well, he is touring under his own name (no Straits in it)

*cough* http://www.direstraitslegends.com
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Post by: Dutchessy on March 13, 2015, 12:56:08 am
The song reminds me of "what God wants, part iii" on roger waters 1992 "Amused to death": a real masterpiece, but quite harsh:" don't be afraid, it's only business... " after a snipset of echoes, shine on, and breathe, to mock Gimour-led pink Floyd...

As for JI, well, he is touring under his own name (no Straits in it) and is also promoting his own albums, so I guess this is less serious an offense. . and JI never claimed to have co-written TR as Alan did... John knows how to stay at the right place !

herlock I am gonna see David live in September :)

Me too :p
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Post by: Dutchessy on March 13, 2015, 01:08:49 am
Me too :p

Nice !  where ?

Oberhausen, Pottel too.

Back on topic ;)
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Post by: Throttle on March 13, 2015, 01:39:33 am
And where does this leave John Illsley, does he get a free pass to go and play with all these guys?

I think, Mark himself won't be able to answer your question even at gun point.
This is the conflict of loyalties or, so-called, divided loyalties, - one of the most challenging psychological problems, which has no unambiguous solution.
In a determinate sense it's something like a torture.  :(
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Post by: joanzimm on March 13, 2015, 01:51:48 am
This song is great ! better than anything on the main album !
I am getting really tired of this 20th-century outdated thing called "extra tracks" if you buy this super-rare expensive box that can only be found in Zimbaboue.... TIRED. Give me whatever price tag you want and include every song there is to get in the package and that's it !


I just listened for the first time.  Fantastic!!!  I so agree about the box set.  All I want are the songs.

Hi everyone!  I haven't posted in a year.  A new album always wakes me up :wave
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Post by: dustyvalentino on March 13, 2015, 07:51:14 am
Hi Joan, nice to have you back.
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Post by: Marijo58 on March 13, 2015, 08:25:00 am
And where does this leave John Illsley, does he get a free pass to go and play with all these guys?

I think, Mark himself won't be able to answer your question even at gun point.
This is the conflict of loyalties or, so-called, divided loyalties, - one of the most challenging psychological problems, which has no unambiguous solution.
In a determinate sense it's something like a torture.  :(
I think that MK doesn.t include John Illsley in this song because he helped him by letting him record his own stuff at BG with Guy Fletcher but what  about Chris White who seem to be a nice man? He was with JI at BG as well!! Do you think that MK feel the same for him?
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Post by: Fletch on March 13, 2015, 10:37:47 am
The thing with Mark is I can imagine him answering an interviewer asking about this song and him saying he wrote the whole thing while watching an Elvis impersonator in Portland.
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Post by: jbaent on March 13, 2015, 10:43:49 am
I always wondered if "Everybody Pays" was for his brother...

I always thought the same, the "Shadowlands" reference, is key, as it´s a song of DK...
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Post by: jbaent on March 13, 2015, 10:46:30 am
As for JI, well, he is touring under his own name (no Straits in it)

*cough* http://www.direstraitslegends.com

double cough :)

He was not touring with them as band member, but as guest star.
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Post by: jbaent on March 13, 2015, 10:48:08 am
I always thought that MK was a real gentleman, this sort of things might be solved in private, not with a song. I don't like this attitude. Too rude in my opinion, sentences are quite direct and humiliating
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Post by: herlock on March 13, 2015, 11:01:23 am
I always thought that MK was a real gentleman, this sort of things might be solved in private, not with a song. I don't like this attitude. Too rude in my opinion, sentences are quite direct and humiliating
On top of that, this song is the only one that is quite rocking, with a great guitar solo.... but this is only a "bonus" song ! as if the message was: "Dire Straits was me, and only me. You see, I can still do it, if I want. But I can't be bothered anymore, so this will just be a bonus track."
Could almost have been called "F*** you, Alan".
Interesting. Looks like another Waters/Gilmour feud (altough these two and Mark are in the sa same elite league, which is not Alan's case, so it's all the more harsher: slapping people that are not your equals).
Mark must have been taking very badly the fact that Alan claimed that he co-wrote TR. It is true that Alan was quite arrogant on that one.
But was it worth it to slap him in the face ?
I don't think so.
Well, part of me does think so. After all, we've got a DS-grade song !
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Post by: border_reiver on March 13, 2015, 11:06:49 am
I always thought that MK was a real gentleman, this sort of things might be solved in private, not with a song. I don't like this attitude. Too rude in my opinion, sentences are quite direct and humiliating
On top of that, this song is the only one that is quite rocking, with a great guitar solo.... but this is only a "bonus" song ! as if the message was: "Dire Straits was me, and only me. You see, I can still do it, if I want. But I can't be bothered anymore, so this will just be a bonus track."
Could almost have been called "F*** you, Alan".
Interesting. Looks like another Waters/Gilmour feud (altough these two and Mark are in the sa same elite league, which is not Alan's case, so it's all the more harsher: slapping people that are not your equals).
Mark must have been taking very badly the fact that Alan claimed that he co-wrote TR. It is true that Alan was quite arrogant on that one.
But was it worth it to slap him in the face ?
I don't think so.
Well, part of me does think so. After all, we've got a DS-grade song !

I on the other hand think it's a well deserved slap. MK lets the music do the talking. Arrogant or not, it's his way of speaking out.
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Post by: jbaent on March 13, 2015, 11:14:15 am
Alan says he contributed a lot to the DS songs, and if you listen to everything from DS before and after Alan you will notice a big chance in musical terms. We also know that MK doesn´t want to share credits, and Guy had told many times that as long as MK write the song, whatever the musicians add is part of their job... that shows clearly that DS wasn´t more than MK´s band. I´m sure that Alan not only co-wrote TR (probably in musical terms only, the lyrics and main idea is 100% MK) but many of the DS arrangements during his time with the band, but, again, MK never wanted to share any credits, as he write the songs. So I don´t blame Alan for that, he is right telling he had a part on the compositions, but he didn´t assume his rol as a hired musso like Guy did/does. It´s not that Alan was arrogant, was naive, he should had assumed that his rol, even composing, adding music to MK´s song, was part of his work, getting no credit for it further than your payment.

For sure MK didn´t like Alan telling that, but this song is not only a slap in his face, it´s a "Your nobody, you never were, and you never will", totally unnecessary.
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Post by: Marijo58 on March 13, 2015, 11:26:20 am
The thing with Mark is I can imagine him answering an interviewer asking about this song and him saying he wrote the whole thing while watching an Elvis impersonator in Portland.

I can also imagine that Fletch mainly because he doesn't seem to like the discussion and interpretation within the Fandom about why he's writing a song!! I remember on the BBC doc. in 1979 that he reacted very strongly when the Journalist said to him that the Public would try to read between the lines and he answered directly, Well they're going to get the wrong impression!!! :thumbsup
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Post by: Silvertown on March 13, 2015, 11:29:45 am
We don´t know what has been between Mark and Alan. But we remember when in a interview Alan said something like "Mark wasn´t that big part of Dire Straits". Whatever the meaning or original point was that is quite cruel too. If it was a joke, it is not a good one. Of course, we understand different opinions and it is of course the best way, because we really don´t know how the things have been.

However, I think that this is about the Straits and not Dire Straits legends etc, which have been acting differently in posters and interviews. 
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Post by: herlock on March 13, 2015, 11:31:50 am
I can see your point...
I have recently rewatched the excellent BBC arena documentary (with fantastic live sections btw) on the Alchemy Blu Ray.
This was shot in march 1980, during the last months before David left. You can feel how tense the relationship is on the film...
Food for thought, there is this dialogue that can seem hilarious (or very sad) today:
- Journalist: you are the sole composer, the lead guitarist, the lead vocalist... do which extent Dire Straits is just an extention of you, MK ?
- MK: To no extent. It's all about the band, being together, doing music together.
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Post by: Marijo58 on March 13, 2015, 11:37:23 am
Alan says he contributed a lot to the DS songs, and if you listen to everything from DS before and after Alan you will notice a big chance in musical terms. We also know that MK doesn´t want to share credits, and Guy had told many times that as long as MK write the song, whatever the musicians add is part of their job... that shows clearly that DS wasn´t more than MK´s band. I´m sure that Alan not only co-wrote TR (probably in musical terms only, the lyrics and main idea is 100% MK) but many of the DS arrangements during his time with the band, but, again, MK never wanted to share any credits, as he write the songs. So I don´t blame Alan for that, he is right telling he had a part on the compositions, but he didn´t assume his rol as a hired musso like Guy did/does. It´s not that Alan was arrogant, was naive, he should had assumed that his rol, even composing, adding music to MK´s song, was part of his work, getting no credit for it further than your payment.

For sure MK didn´t like Alan telling that, but this song is not only a slap in his face, it´s a "Your nobody, you never were, and you never will", totally unnecessary.

Absolutely Jbaent, that's the way I feel also but MK has maybe lost his temper and the words he wrote were coming out of anger!!!??? We don't know what kind of nice words AC used when they discussed back then!! As I said MK's reaction threw Terminal of Tribute to, must have been the result of something really wrong and bad between them!! I guess we'll never get the answer!!
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Post by: joanzimm on March 13, 2015, 11:57:16 am
So many of MK's songs today are reflections on his past.  Usually they don't have this level of anger behind them.  In a way, I wish they did because this is an awesome song.  He got fired up.  Damn!  :clap
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Post by: Ingo on March 13, 2015, 02:41:04 pm
Quote
MK never wanted to share any credits

This sounds a bit misleading to me. I think every musician will bring in his own parts automatically. Rock music is not composed like an opera - this is the transcription for your part, please play it - but starts with a rough idea of the song (chords, lyrics, melody) and the rest develops. Including everybody's name in the composer credits will cause nothing but problems with the publishing side of the business and does not make sense for this reason.

In the case of TR and Alan, we know that Mark and Alan worked together on the song, I think it is even mentioned in the Oldfield book. Possibly even complete parts or blocks - I can imagine  that e.g. parts from the 'camera' section after 'three lanes moving slow' - might be based on Alan's input, but the 'song' (in the sense I described before) is Mark's composition alone.
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Post by: jabbathehut on March 13, 2015, 03:08:44 pm
To me this is a nasty and disingenuous song,Is it really necessary to kick these guys in public.Musically good or not, just don't feel comfortable listening to it.
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Post by: binone on March 13, 2015, 03:30:08 pm
To me this is a nasty and disingenuous song,Is it really necessary to kick these guys in public.Musically good or not, just don't feel comfortable listening to it.

well I am not completely comfortable too

to avoid confusion it would help a lot to know officially who exactly it is referred to

I mean, it's now official ? Fine, explain what's behind it as it occurs for any other song

And if there is misunderstanding, lets keep the real thing to avoid a snowball.
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Post by: Silvertown on March 13, 2015, 03:36:44 pm
That´s true. When it comes to Mark this could also be about another band. Mark always likes when words can have many meanings.
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Post by: Maxx on March 13, 2015, 03:44:16 pm
Is he refering to DS-tunes with line "Old ghosts revisited today" ?
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Post by: binone on March 13, 2015, 03:48:06 pm
Only Mark can say, but I Thing yes, he is
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Post by: Banjo99uk on March 13, 2015, 04:12:16 pm
I'd say the big giveaway that its about The Straits is the line "no original members"
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Post by: communique on March 13, 2015, 05:21:37 pm
Hmmm, funny how Alan decided the leave "the straits" to go and try to do his own stuff (according to Guy) right after this song comes out.
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Post by: ingridswing on March 13, 2015, 08:59:43 pm
Great song, shocked a little by the lyrics. But it also brings a smile on my face. Phil Palmer used the exact words when I talked to him 2 weeks ago " .... A wonderful band and the genius of MK in which it was my privilege to be involved for a short time" What a genius are you when you can write this. Not only a genius musician but also a genius writer.
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Post by: junkiedoll on March 13, 2015, 10:03:51 pm
From actual Rolling Stone review; it says it all in one sentence:

"A few years ago, former member of Dire Straits, calling themselves the Straits, began touring, playing the old repertoire that Knopfler himself often avoids onstage. "Poor souls," Knopfler says of that band, before softening his tone. "I don't know — it's not for me"."

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/premieres/hear-mark-knopfler-tracker-new-album-20150313#ixzz3UIlntEUe
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Post by: Pottel on March 13, 2015, 10:43:01 pm
It's a statement. How long has that chapter been discussed in Guy's forum. The question what MK thinks of all the cover bands has been brought up so often. So many discussions. So much bad blood. You never heard him say anything about it. Now he has done what he does best - he has written a song about it.

LE
he does now in the rolling stone interview
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Post by: Pottel on March 13, 2015, 10:45:05 pm
not too many people will see this song text as it is on the bonus cd.
wonder if "they" will....
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Post by: Pottel on March 13, 2015, 10:56:23 pm
Me too :p

Nice !  where ?
where are you seeing him??
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Post by: Slavi on March 13, 2015, 11:17:15 pm
It's a statement. How long has that chapter been discussed in Guy's forum. The question what MK thinks of all the cover bands has been brought up so often. So many discussions. So much bad blood. You never heard him say anything about it. Now he has done what he does best - he has written a song about it.

LE
he does now in the rolling stone interview

Pottel, what do you mean? Does MK speak about the lyrics in an interview?
If yes I would wish to read it...
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Post by: Pottel on March 13, 2015, 11:29:38 pm
It's a statement. How long has that chapter been discussed in Guy's forum. The question what MK thinks of all the cover bands has been brought up so often. So many discussions. So much bad blood. You never heard him say anything about it. Now he has done what he does best - he has written a song about it.

LE
he does now in the rolling stone interview

Pottel, what do you mean? Does MK speak about the lyrics in an interview?
If yes I would wish to read it...
A few years ago, former member of Dire Straits, calling themselves the Straits, began touring, playing the old repertoire that Knopfler himself often avoids onstage. "Poor souls," Knopfler says of that band, before softening his tone. "I don't know — it's not for me"."

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/premieres/hear-mark-knopfler-tracker-new-album-20150313#ixzz3UIlntEUe
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Post by: jbaent on March 13, 2015, 11:29:49 pm
It's a statement. How long has that chapter been discussed in Guy's forum. The question what MK thinks of all the cover bands has been brought up so often. So many discussions. So much bad blood. You never heard him say anything about it. Now he has done what he does best - he has written a song about it.

LE
he does now in the rolling stone interview

Pottel, what do you mean? Does MK speak about the lyrics in an interview?
If yes I would wish to read it...

Mk just said "poor souls" talking about them.
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Post by: foma on March 13, 2015, 11:30:53 pm
Of course it's not for him, it's for money :lol
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Post by: Slavi on March 13, 2015, 11:38:30 pm
It's a statement. How long has that chapter been discussed in Guy's forum. The question what MK thinks of all the cover bands has been brought up so often. So many discussions. So much bad blood. You never heard him say anything about it. Now he has done what he does best - he has written a song about it.

LE
he does now in the rolling stone interview

Pottel, what do you mean? Does MK speak about the lyrics in an interview?
If yes I would wish to read it...
A few years ago, former member of Dire Straits, calling themselves the Straits, began touring, playing the old repertoire that Knopfler himself often avoids onstage. "Poor souls," Knopfler says of that band, before softening his tone. "I don't know — it's not for me"."

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/premieres/hear-mark-knopfler-tracker-new-album-20150313#ixzz3UIlntEUe
Thanks! But I'm more confused now...MK sounds very gentleman in the interview, so why this rudeness and anger in the lyrics if it was written about ALan Clark or other tribute bands. :o
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Post by: kaleo74 on March 14, 2015, 12:00:15 am
Mark's solo on the chorus at the end of the song remind me Jimmy Hendrix on "Hey Joe", same sound same structure, beautiful.
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Post by: herlock on March 14, 2015, 12:06:58 am
It's a bit embarrassing, but this song is by far my favourite, the one I keep listening... whereas it is not even part of the core album (I am really FED UP with this "bonus track" bullshits !), and whereas it is a harsh, insulting song... the good boy in me hates myself for loving the song, and the bad boy in me praises myself for the very same thing. Ackward situation...
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Post by: yontwocrows on March 14, 2015, 12:17:42 am
I love the song! I've listened to it now quite often, but it doesn't sound like an angry song. It's also compassion! These tribute Bands are the sadest things on earth. Poor souls...
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Post by: Banjo99uk on March 14, 2015, 12:37:39 am
If it is about The Straits which I think it is, he has every reason to be angry. Dire Straits was HIS baby and his only. John Illsley only stayed because I genuinely think he's a nice bloke and was able to put up with MK. They were a "proper band" for 2 albums, then it was all about MK's vision. I'm surprised people here can't see MK is ruthless and takes no prisoners. I certainly wouldn't mess with him. So this song is no surprise to me.
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Post by: Banjo99uk on March 14, 2015, 01:11:20 am
I'd say it was more about The Straits than Dire Straits Legends as The Straits were getting close to saying Dire Straits had reformed. Which to us is crazy, but the casual music fan could easily fall for. My case being when I saw John Illsley live I told a friend who happily named walk of life and money for nothing whilst saying JI was the front man.
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Post by: Banjo99uk on March 14, 2015, 01:22:36 am
It's such a delicate subject

I think there should be a precise explanation. Maybe even a short one but precise.
I think guys response on his forum confirms it, and now MKs poor souls comment.
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Post by: Banjo99uk on March 14, 2015, 01:30:26 am
It's such a delicate subject

I think there should be a precise explanation. Maybe even a short one but precise.
I think guys response on his forum confirms it, and now MKs poor souls comment.

Actually Guy said he can't comments
He said he couldn't possible comment, which was very tongue in cheek. He was basically saying you're right. It was a very British polite answer.
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Post by: Leprechaun on March 14, 2015, 08:22:36 am
This tune is great both music and lyrics. Great guitar on this. Asking myself if the ex band DS members will react or even stop touring after the final planned date.
Why are The Straits actually allowed to go on tour performing his songs without a permission? Why is that legal? Did Guy say something about that?
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Post by: dustyvalentino on March 14, 2015, 09:47:06 am
We tend to complain that MK is too bland and boring and now people are complaining that he goes too far!

Personally I love it, although I have always hated these tribute acts.
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Post by: Throttle on March 14, 2015, 10:10:43 am
I think that MK doesn.t include John Illsley in this song because he helped him by letting him record his own stuff at BG with Guy Fletcher but what  about Chris White who seem to be a nice man? He was with JI at BG as well!! Do you think that MK feel the same for him?

It doesn't matter at all.
An open wound doesn't care a damn, where does the salt come from.
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Post by: knopflerized on March 14, 2015, 11:29:03 am
We tend to complain that MK is too bland and boring and now people are complaining that he goes too far!

Personally I love it, although I have always hated these tribute acts.

Dusty !

Thank you you say what I was about to say !
This song is  the best so far !!! (IMO)

:)
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Post by: herlock on March 14, 2015, 12:13:37 pm
Yes this song is the best.
Thanks to it I have given a second chance to the album, which is growing on me.
I love laughs... Basil, and especially long cool girl and skydiver.
But what shocks me even more than the harshness of the lyrics is the fact that this song is not part of the Mail album, only the deluxe edition... Mark's message: I can still do DS stuff, but I can't be bothered. This is only to slap Alan...
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Post by: tunnel85 on March 14, 2015, 02:40:36 pm
Yes this song is the best.
Thanks to it I have given a second chance to the album, which is growing on me.
I love laughs... Basil, and especially long cool girl and skydiver.
But what shocks me even more than the harshness of the lyrics is the fact that this song is not part of the Mail album, only the deluxe edition... Mark's message: I can still do DS stuff, but I can't be bothered. This is only to slap Alan...
It's an absolute gem and not difficult to be the best song of KTGC part 2.
Not sure I can give it a second chance. I only keep Laugh and Jokes and Beryl.
It's a commercial suicide to put Terminal of Tribute To on the bonus CD.
There's nothing on that album and that song would have been a killer.


 
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Post by: herlock on March 14, 2015, 02:44:50 pm
Yes this song is the best.
Thanks to it I have given a second chance to the album, which is growing on me.
I love laughs... Basil, and especially long cool girl and skydiver.
But what shocks me even more than the harshness of the lyrics is the fact that this song is not part of the Mail album, only the deluxe edition... Mark's message: I can still do DS stuff, but I can't be bothered. This is only to slap Alan...
It's an absolute gem and not difficult to be the best song of KTGC part 2.
Not sure I can give it a second chance. I only keep Laugh and Jokes and Beryl.
It's a commercial suicide to put Terminal of Tribute To on the bonus CD.
There's nothing on that album and that song would have been a killer.

Nothing, nothing... A bit harsh Tunnel :) long cool girl is the new six blade knife, calms me down, love it.
But it's true that leaving out Terminal out the album is a bit like leaving Tunnel of Love out MM... !!!
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Post by: Marijo58 on March 14, 2015, 03:01:40 pm
Yes this song is the best.
Thanks to it I have given a second chance to the album, which is growing on me.
I love laughs... Basil, and especially long cool girl and skydiver.
But what shocks me even more than the harshness of the lyrics is the fact that this song is not part of the Mail album, only the deluxe edition... Mark's message: I can still do DS stuff, but I can't be bothered. This is only to slap Alan...
It's an absolute gem and not difficult to be the best song of KTGC part 2.
Not sure I can give it a second chance. I only keep Laugh and Jokes and Beryl.
It's a commercial suicide to put Terminal of Tribute To on the bonus CD.
There's nothing on that album and that song would have been a killer.

Nothing, nothing... A bit harsh Tunnel :) long cool girl is the new six blade knife, calms me down, love it.
But it's true that leaving out Terminal out the album is a bit like leaving Tunnel of Love out MM... !!!

I feel the same than you Herlock, my favourite is Lights of Taormina, then I like Beryl, Basil on the main CD. I agree with you Tunnel, Terminal Tribute To,  should have never been left on the bonus tracks because it's indeed a diamant!! That goes for My heart has never changed as well!! Love the Lyrics and the Music!! :wave
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Post by: Marijo58 on March 14, 2015, 03:08:36 pm
Yes this song is the best.
Thanks to it I have given a second chance to the album, which is growing on me.
I love laughs... Basil, and especially long cool girl and skydiver.
But what shocks me even more than the harshness of the lyrics is the fact that this song is not part of the Mail album, only the deluxe edition... Mark's message: I can still do DS stuff, but I can't be bothered. This is only to slap Alan...

I have the very same feeling about this song!!!!!! The message is clear enough, it can only be for AC!! He wrote, "no orginal members". and who are the original members?? MK, JI, DK, PW....
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Post by: jbaent on March 14, 2015, 03:39:56 pm
Quote
MK never wanted to share any credits

This sounds a bit misleading to me. I think every musician will bring in his own parts automatically. Rock music is not composed like an opera - this is the transcription for your part, please play it - but starts with a rough idea of the song (chords, lyrics, melody) and the rest develops. Including everybody's name in the composer credits will cause nothing but problems with the publishing side of the business and does not make sense for this reason.

In the case of TR and Alan, we know that Mark and Alan worked together on the song, I think it is even mentioned in the Oldfield book. Possibly even complete parts or blocks - I can imagine  that e.g. parts from the 'camera' section after 'three lanes moving slow' - might be based on Alan's input, but the 'song' (in the sense I described before) is Mark's composition alone.

Ingo, the credits thing demonstrates what kind of band one is...

If you take a look to any Toto, or Led Zeppelin record, if the bass player, keyboard, drummer etc added to the song any particular line, groove, whatever, they got their credit, as they were in a band, a true band. No matter who came with the lyrics, if any other member contributed to the song, they got credit.

Dire Straits was not a band like, let's say, Toto or Led Zeppelin, it doesn't matter if the drummer bones with a great groove, the keyboardist with a great oiano, Hammond line, they got no credit as they were no members of a band, they were hired guns. That's to me makes DS not a real band, just a MK vehicle.
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Post by: junkiedoll on March 14, 2015, 04:02:43 pm
Yes this song is the best.
Thanks to it I have given a second chance to the album, which is growing on me.
I love laughs... Basil, and especially long cool girl and skydiver.
But what shocks me even more than the harshness of the lyrics is the fact that this song is not part of the Mail album, only the deluxe edition... Mark's message: I can still do DS stuff, but I can't be bothered. This is only to slap Alan...
It's an absolute gem and not difficult to be the best song of KTGC part 2.
Not sure I can give it a second chance. I only keep Laugh and Jokes and Beryl.
It's a commercial suicide to put Terminal of Tribute To on the bonus CD.
There's nothing on that album and that song would have been a killer.


Nothing maybe for you; for me it is the best solo record he has ever done, so much soul and personality, wonderful melodies, from folk (Laugh) to Hendrix (Hot Dog). For me it´s a gift.
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Post by: Dutchessy on March 14, 2015, 04:06:09 pm
Yes this song is the best.
Thanks to it I have given a second chance to the album, which is growing on me.
I love laughs... Basil, and especially long cool girl and skydiver.
But what shocks me even more than the harshness of the lyrics is the fact that this song is not part of the Mail album, only the deluxe edition... Mark's message: I can still do DS stuff, but I can't be bothered. This is only to slap Alan...
It's an absolute gem and not difficult to be the best song of KTGC part 2.
Not sure I can give it a second chance. I only keep Laugh and Jokes and Beryl.
It's a commercial suicide to put Terminal of Tribute To on the bonus CD.
There's nothing on that album and that song would have been a killer.


Nothing maybe for you; for me it is the best solo record he has ever done, so much soul and personality, wonderful melodies, from folk (Laugh) to Hendrix (Hot Dog). For me it´s a gift.

Well said  :thumbsup
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Post by: Jarle on March 14, 2015, 04:28:40 pm
Yes this song is the best.
Thanks to it I have given a second chance to the album, which is growing on me.
I love laughs... Basil, and especially long cool girl and skydiver.
But what shocks me even more than the harshness of the lyrics is the fact that this song is not part of the Mail album, only the deluxe edition... Mark's message: I can still do DS stuff, but I can't be bothered. This is only to slap Alan...
It's an absolute gem and not difficult to be the best song of KTGC part 2.
Not sure I can give it a second chance. I only keep Laugh and Jokes and Beryl.
It's a commercial suicide to put Terminal of Tribute To on the bonus CD.
There's nothing on that album and that song would have been a killer.


Nothing maybe for you; for me it is the best solo record he has ever done, so much soul and personality, wonderful melodies, from folk (Laugh) to Hendrix (Hot Dog). For me it´s a gift.

I think I agree. Hard to point out "the best", but Tracker is without doubt one of them. Soul and personality. Exactly :) 
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Post by: yontwocrows on March 14, 2015, 05:09:15 pm
I also agree. It's my favourite album. Sorry for you, tunnel, that you can't find anything in it what you're looking for. I hope for you the next time!
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Post by: Knopflerfan on March 14, 2015, 05:14:26 pm
Another one here to add to best album yet!! Such variety and such deep lyrics/music and MK guitar too! Something we have been missing. Mind you he seems to be enjoying it so long may it continue......
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Post by: superval99 on March 14, 2015, 05:20:01 pm
Same here - absolutely no skippers on Tracker and that includes all the bonus songs!    :thumbsup

@Tunnel85 - Keep on listening!   ;)
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Post by: Marijo58 on March 14, 2015, 05:22:36 pm
Another one here to add to best album yet!! Such variety and such deep lyrics/music and MK guitar too! Something we have been missing. Mind you he seems to be enjoying it so long may it continue......

You said it Knopflerfan!! that's what it is!!! And yes hopefully he'll compose more albums like this one because he's a devoted Musician!!
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Post by: El Macho on March 14, 2015, 05:28:16 pm
I think the global tempo of the album is slow...especially Silver Eagle, Lights of Taormina, River Towns, Mighty Man, Basil, Time Will End All Sorrows, Long Cool Girl, My Heart Has Never Changed and Heart Of Oak.... Half of the album is avoided if you're tired and don't want to fall asleep !
My favorites are Skydiver, Terminal of Tribute to and Oklahoma Ponies !
Broken Bones can be a killer played live ! Same for Beryl and Laughs etc...
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Post by: Knopflerfan on March 14, 2015, 05:36:32 pm
I'm not getting the deal about MK playing slow tracks, I mean so what!! No snoozy tracks for us Im afraid. Listen to and understand the lyrics which are so deep, maybe deeper than normal along with such melodic musicianship from the whole band! More MK guitar too which has been so lacking.. I have been listening on top quality headphones and there is actually so much going on in each tune from MK alone that it is frightening. Thank goodness some of these tracks are not fast as you would miss so much....

Dire Straits - RIP (thank goodness) New age MK - very much alive!!!!!
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Post by: yontwocrows on March 14, 2015, 05:39:12 pm
I totaly agree with you!
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Post by: dustyvalentino on March 14, 2015, 05:43:24 pm
"Pick out a pretty one and toss your hair.", could this be about AC picking Terence Reis? He has lovely hair. Seems funny old AC with young Terence?
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Post by: Banjo99uk on March 14, 2015, 06:38:12 pm
"Pick out a pretty one and toss your hair.", could this be about AC picking Terence Reis? He has lovely hair. Seems funny old AC with young Terence?
That was exactly my thought.
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Post by: tobi777 on March 14, 2015, 07:37:39 pm
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"Pick out a pretty one and toss your hair.", could this be about AC picking Terence Reis? He has lovely hair. Seems funny old AC with young Terence?

I think it's more generally about certain rock star airs and graces some of these musicians seem to have (the "pretty one" is a girl in the audience and the musicians tosses his hair in a rock-cliché-way) and how silly it appears to behave this way, especially when you're older - and not a real star but a wannabee...

I really like this song, although I think the lyrics are a bit too offending. I mean, musicians have to eat, too. And I really believe that Alan Clark & Co. have fun playing these old songs. They pay tribute to the songs of MK and he gets the royalties. And every tribute band has a band name that refers to the original band or a certain song. There are still a lot of DS fans who don't really like the new stuff and are happy to go to a concert where you not only get SOS and SFA but a lot more (and sometimes with even better guitar work...).

I've been to Brit Floyd and Aussie Floyd concerts and they are marvellous. Nobody would expect them to be the real Pink Floyd - although you tend to if you close your eyes. David Gilmour even invited the latter to his birthday because he was so amazed. That's a far more relaxed and friendly way to deal with musicians who admire other songwriters.
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Post by: Slavi on March 14, 2015, 08:00:58 pm
"Pick out a pretty one and toss your hair.", could this be about AC picking Terence Reis? He has lovely hair. Seems funny old AC with young Terence?
That was exactly my thought.

"Pick out a pretty one (guitar from the Fenders mentioned above) and toss your hair.
Seems foolish (tossing your hair) when you're older" ....that's what in my mind
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Post by: Marijo58 on March 14, 2015, 08:01:50 pm
Well, well I don't think that we're going to have an answer to this really good question because I don't think MK will ever give a clear explanation on why he wrote this song!!!
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Post by: dmg on March 14, 2015, 08:49:14 pm
"Pick out a pretty one and toss your hair.", could this be about AC picking Terence Reis? He has lovely hair. Seems funny old AC with young Terence?

I think MK owes you a writing credit too with the "chip on both your shoulders" line.  I seem to recall you saying that in one of your posts in reference to AC.
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Post by: Marijo58 on March 14, 2015, 09:21:24 pm
Well, well I don't think that we're going to have an answer to this really good question because I don't think MK will ever give a clear explanation on why he wrote this song!!!

He always gives details to any song.
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I don't know why he shouldn't in this case.

We just need a journalist to ask a question.

Yes maybe a good journalist could ask him the question Pensaboy!! Let's hope it will be soon or later!!
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Post by: foma on March 14, 2015, 10:45:54 pm
Ever heard any journalist asking about b-sides?
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Post by: Marijo58 on March 14, 2015, 10:50:39 pm
Ever heard any journalist asking about b-sides?

Not very often Foma but who knows?? And I wrote maybe!!
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Post by: dustyvalentino on March 14, 2015, 10:54:10 pm
"Pick out a pretty one and toss your hair.", could this be about AC picking Terence Reis? He has lovely hair. Seems funny old AC with young Terence?

I think MK owes you a writing credit too with the "chip on both your shoulders" line.  I seem to recall you saying that in one of your posts in reference to AC.

Ha. I'm off to hire Marvin Gaye's lawyers. :)
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Post by: dustyvalentino on March 14, 2015, 11:07:10 pm
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"Pick out a pretty one and toss your hair.", could this be about AC picking Terence Reis? He has lovely hair. Seems funny old AC with young Terence?

I think it's more generally about certain rock star airs and graces some of these musicians seem to have (the "pretty one" is a girl in the audience and the musicians tosses his hair in a rock-cliché-way) and how silly it appears to behave this way, especially when you're older - and not a real star but a wannabee...

I really like this song, although I think the lyrics are a bit too offending. I mean, musicians have to eat, too. And I really believe that Alan Clark & Co. have fun playing these old songs. They pay tribute to the songs of MK and he gets the royalties. And every tribute band has a band name that refers to the original band or a certain song. There are still a lot of DS fans who don't really like the new stuff and are happy to go to a concert where you not only get SOS and SFA but a lot more (and sometimes with even better guitar work...).

I've been to Brit Floyd and Aussie Floyd concerts and they are marvellous. Nobody would expect them to be the real Pink Floyd - although you tend to if you close your eyes. David Gilmour even invited the latter to his birthday because he was so amazed. That's a far more relaxed and friendly way to deal with musicians who admire other songwriters.

I'm amazed you think somebody else plays Mark Knopfler's guitar parts better than Mark Knopfler!

There have been plenty of traditional tribute bands doing DS in the vein of what you describe.  The Straits and all the various facical incarnations are not the same thing. It's ex members of the actual band who were happy to sit back and smile when they were touring the world, but after 20 years of no success on their own merits they turn up saying they wrote half the songs, they just forgot to mention it before, oh and also John Illsley isn't a good enough musician to play his own parts. Disgraceful.
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Post by: Banjo99uk on March 15, 2015, 01:15:25 am
Brit floyd and Aussie Floyd are tribute bands. The Straits sailed so close to the Dire Straits have reformed it was ridiculous. If I was MK I'd be pretty pissed off with old mates claiming to be more than they are. This song for me puts AC in his place. If he's such a talent he shoud make his own music and if its good I will buy it.
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Post by: koobaa on March 15, 2015, 02:57:39 am
Exactly. This song is a pretty obvious statement and really no explanation is needed from MK. Placing this DS style number as a bonus rather than on main record is yet another message: "That's what I think but I don't really care". Brilliant if not genious.

I just love how effortless he sounds in this song. The singing, amazing guitar work, and excellent composition. Another message: "That's the way you do it, you poor souls"
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Post by: junkiedoll on March 15, 2015, 10:01:47 am
If I was MK I'd be pretty pissed off with old mates claiming to be more than they are. This song for me puts AC in his place. If he's such a talent he shoud make his own music and if its good I will buy it.


Banjo, I´d say this has obviously become a big problem also within the straits, as they split up soon after AC wanted to record new songs under the name straits while at the same time playing the old DS songs. I think that was too much for some of the other members (presumably White and Reis) who always wanted to keep it and articulate it just as tribute band and had a bad feeling with that. As far as I remember, AC stated that on his homepage quite directly that that´s the reason why the straits split up again. By the way, I think this is also the reason why some other members have never joined them from the beginning (like John or Danny?). I think one really has to distinguish here between the straits and other tribute bands that do not claim to be a direct follow up of DS, with international touring, recording new songs, etc.

Regarding John, I think he shows a lot of talent on his new cd, I would not put it that harsh dusty; There is a lot of own style in it, that I quite like. That´s good. But yes, also for the JI concerts, I really do not get it why he plays usually more than half of the set DS songs. He should play his (good) own songs; 2-3 ds songs as addition would be ok, but more than half of the set I don´t get it. But that´s just my view.
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Post by: Dutchessy on March 15, 2015, 10:14:46 am
His voice sounds like the Dire Straits times, for example like One World. Is it mixed on purpose that way? Or other microphone? His voice sounds more like Dire Straits days than all other tracks.

Anyone else noticed?
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Post by: yontwocrows on March 15, 2015, 10:23:58 am
I had the same feeling, but thought i was wrong, because the whole track is DS-like. Sound of the guitar. On the other hand: it's the same artist. So i'm not sure, if it is purpose...
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Post by: herlock on March 15, 2015, 10:27:57 am
Yes, message is clear: I can still do what I used to do if I want; I just don't want anymore. Except just once, to teach you a lesson...
This is what I dared to post on Guy's forum. We'll see the answers (or not...)

Hi Guy, Many thanks and congrats for another brilliant album ! Two direct questions regarding this awsome song (the best one IMHO) 1. Why is it a "bonus track" and not on the main album ? 2. Is the song about Alan Clark ? If no, may I suggest to make it clear to him, because there are many clues that will have him think he has been targeted... Thanks and cheers
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Post by: Marijo58 on March 15, 2015, 10:36:44 am
Yes, message is clear: I can still do what I used to do if I want; I just don't want anymore. Except just once, to teach you a lesson...
This is what I dared to post on Guy's forum. We'll see the answers (or not...)

Hi Guy, Many thanks and congrats for another brilliant album ! Two direct questions regarding this awsome song (the best one IMHO) 1. Why is it a "bonus track" and not on the main album ? 2. Is the song about Alan Clark ? If no, may I suggest to make it clear to him, because there are many clues that will have him think he has been targeted... Thanks and cheers
Well done Herlock. I did not dare to mention that when I wrote to Guy yesterday because I never saw their shows!! Hope he will answer your post.
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Post by: foma on March 15, 2015, 10:37:55 am
Let's hope nobody from any DS tribute acts would not commit suicide after hearing this song. Because they really don’t know right from wrong.
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Post by: tobi777 on March 15, 2015, 10:46:02 am
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I'm amazed you think somebody else plays Mark Knopfler's guitar parts better than Mark Knopfler!

If you listen to the various tribute bands out there - some guitar players are truely amazing. And although I find it rather pointless and bland to reproduce another player's solo note for note some of them really nail it. Not better than MK in #85-'92 but (technically) better than MK from 2008 onwards. And I have to admit that some live recordings of MK from the last years really make me sad. I'd rather wish he would stop playing SOS or TR instead of butchering them.

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It's ex members of the actual band who were happy to sit back and smile when they were touring the world, but after 20 years of no success on their own merits they turn up saying they wrote half the songs, they just forgot to mention it before, oh and also John Illsley isn't a good enough musician to play his own parts. Disgraceful.

Who is "they"? It's a bit generalized, isn't it? Phil Palmer is one of the most respected and busiest studio musicians and has played with a lot of stars over the years. He might not be in the front row anymore because he is also getting older - but he had a career without DS and MK.

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I had the same feeling, but thought i was wrong, because the whole track is DS-like. Sound of the guitar.
I think it sounds a bit similar to "Let It Grow" (as someone already mentioned here). I can hardly hear any similarities to DS recordings. The guitar sound is different (although it is a Strat), a lot more acoustic guitar strumming, fairly unusual harmonies.
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Post by: Knopflerfan on March 15, 2015, 03:26:52 pm
Beautiful Guitar sound which to me is reminiscent of the 'Alchemy' TOL 'Sunburst' Schecter guitar sound.....
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Post by: dustyvalentino on March 15, 2015, 04:16:39 pm
Regarding John, I think he shows a lot of talent on his new cd, I would not put it that harsh dusty; There is a lot of own style in it, that I quite like. That´s good. But yes, also for the JI concerts, I really do not get it why he plays usually more than half of the set DS songs. He should play his (good) own songs; 2-3 ds songs as addition would be ok, but more than half of the set I don´t get it. But that´s just my view.

I didn't say anything about John's solo music? Was just wondering what MK thinks about him being involved in various DS tribute incarnations.
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Post by: dustyvalentino on March 15, 2015, 04:20:13 pm
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I'm amazed you think somebody else plays Mark Knopfler's guitar parts better than Mark Knopfler!

If you listen to the various tribute bands out there - some guitar players are truely amazing. And although I find it rather pointless and bland to reproduce another player's solo note for note some of them really nail it. Not better than MK in #85-'92 but (technically) better than MK from 2008 onwards. And I have to admit that some live recordings of MK from the last years really make me sad. I'd rather wish he would stop playing SOS or TR instead of butchering them.

Well we must agree to disagree, for me nobody can play MK like MK. And I personally haven't noticed any problem with his playing in recent years.
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Post by: herlock on March 15, 2015, 04:43:27 pm
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I'm amazed you think somebody else plays Mark Knopfler's guitar parts better than Mark Knopfler!

If you listen to the various tribute bands out there - some guitar players are truely amazing. And although I find it rather pointless and bland to reproduce another player's solo note for note some of them really nail it. Not better than MK in #85-'92 but (technically) better than MK from 2008 onwards. And I have to admit that some live recordings of MK from the last years really make me sad. I'd rather wish he would stop playing SOS or TR instead of butchering them.

Well we must agree to disagree, for me nobody can play MK like MK. And I personally haven't noticed any problem with his playing in recent years.
Nobobdy can play MK like MK, that's true; but MK plays at a slower pace than MK used to... :)
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Post by: junkiedoll on March 15, 2015, 05:08:20 pm
I didn't say anything about John's solo music? Was just wondering what MK thinks about him being involved in various DS tribute incarnations.

ok; well John is not involved in so many, just in one (DS legends) for some rare occasions which he also uses to promote his own stuff. Anyway, I looked at the last set lists, and latest he played from 20 songs 13 DS songs. It´s up to him but I'd prefer to hear much more of his own stuff. (railway tracks I find really good, for instance)
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Post by: dustyvalentino on March 15, 2015, 05:29:42 pm
I can see it both ways. If you went to see John Illsley of Dire Straits and he didnt play any Dire Straits songs I would be pissed off.

Anyway, I don't grudge any of these guys making a living. The thing I hate is Alan's attitude.
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Post by: Dutchessy on March 15, 2015, 05:42:13 pm
I didn't say anything about John's solo music? Was just wondering what MK thinks about him being involved in various DS tribute incarnations.

ok; well John is not involved in so many, just in one (DS legends) for some rare occasions which he also uses to promote his own stuff. Anyway, I looked at the last set lists, and latest he played from 20 songs 13 DS songs. It´s up to him but I'd prefer to hear much more of his own stuff. (railway tracks I find really good, for instance)

Saw John 2 weeks ago. He did play Railway Tracks.
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Post by: junkiedoll on March 15, 2015, 06:30:11 pm
I can see it both ways. If you went to see John Illsley of Dire Straits and he didnt play any Dire Straits songs I would be pissed off.

Anyway, I don't grudge any of these guys making a living. The thing I hate is Alan's attitude.

Yes, dusty, that is what I mentioned above that the straits is on another level; and finally this also was too much for other members so that they split up again anyway...
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Post by: Marijo58 on March 15, 2015, 06:36:36 pm
I didn't say anything about John's solo music? Was just wondering what MK thinks about him being involved in various DS tribute incarnations.

ok; well John is not involved in so many, just in one (DS legends) for some rare occasions which he also uses to promote his own stuff. Anyway, I looked at the last set lists, and latest he played from 20 songs 13 DS songs. It´s up to him but I'd prefer to hear much more of his own stuff. (railway tracks I find really good, for instance)

Saw John 2 weeks ago. He did play Railway Tracks.

Agree with both of you, I love John Illsleys' stuff and I like very much his voice. As a matter of fact I bought recently his Live in London and I think it's really a beautiful CD with great songs!! Nothing to say against the fact that he's playing DS's music except maybe Private Investigations because MK is the best to peform it, nobody can take his place on this one!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: kaleo74 on March 15, 2015, 06:51:49 pm
About John, they are more than friends, I think it is not the same thing, when at the beginning you shared 120 bucks and you had nothing but just enough to eat and you still playing and enjoying it, you have the right to play those songs and be proud of it.
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Post by: junkiedoll on March 15, 2015, 07:34:32 pm
About John, they are more than friends, I think it is not the same thing, when at the beginning you shared 120 bucks and you had nothing but just enough to eat and you still playing and enjoying it, you have the right to play those songs and be proud of it.

Yes of course, thats out of question. My point was that the balance is just not my preference as I would prefer more of his own songs instead. But I fully agree, John is a totally different thing than the straits or other tribute bands.
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Post by: foma on March 15, 2015, 07:41:43 pm
John rule! I mean he looks good promoting his new album and singing DS tunes. AC looks ridiculous with his foremost keyboard rack on stage.

(https://pp.vk.me/c608825/v608825999/8e61/5-Yv8oO-SUQ.jpg)
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Post by: junkiedoll on March 15, 2015, 07:46:18 pm
John rule! I mean he looks good promoting his new album and singing DS tunes. AC looks ridiculous with his foremost keyboard rack on stage.

(https://pp.vk.me/c608825/v608825999/8e61/5-Yv8oO-SUQ.jpg)

This photo is really fantastic foma; Says very much to my view
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Post by: herlock on March 15, 2015, 07:51:24 pm
About John, they are more than friends, I think it is not the same thing, when at the beginning you shared 120 bucks and you had nothing but just enough to eat and you still playing and enjoying it, you have the right to play those songs and be proud of it.

Yes of course, thats out of question. My point was that the balance is just not my preference as I would prefer more of his own songs instead. But I fully agree, John is a totally different thing than the straits or other tribute bands.
John is the ideal number 2, who never complains and is faithful to the boss no matter what - a real saint, really. Must be very tough to cope with MK's temper...
John is highly respected for that among MK fans and has earned his little place under the sunshine. Time for him to shine a little bit. Yes I also would have preferred him to play more of his own songs... But at least he made some songs of his own !
Alan's case could have been similar. After all he joined DS as a full member
In 1980, not so long after it all started, and he probably brought many things and ideas. His keyboards skills are quite outstanding (see TOL on Alchemy/Wembley !). His major faults are not that much "The straits" per say, but all these interviews saying that he co-wrote TR and that MK was not that a big part of DS. Had he be contented with playing some old songs with a few ex-members that probably Mark would have smiled and not cared much. But all this tralala about it as if it was a major event, a reformation of DS... This is like Icarus: if you go to close to the sun, don't be surprised to be burnt. My 2 cents.
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Post by: dustyvalentino on March 15, 2015, 08:08:46 pm
Couldn't have put it better myself Herlock.
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Post by: junkiedoll on March 15, 2015, 08:32:44 pm
About John, they are more than friends, I think it is not the same thing, when at the beginning you shared 120 bucks and you had nothing but just enough to eat and you still playing and enjoying it, you have the right to play those songs and be proud of it.

Yes of course, thats out of question. My point was that the balance is just not my preference as I would prefer more of his own songs instead. But I fully agree, John is a totally different thing than the straits or other tribute bands.
John is the ideal number 2, who never complains and is faithful to the boss no matter what - a real saint, really. Must be very tough to cope with MK's temper...
John is highly respected for that among MK fans and has earned his little place under the sunshine. Time for him to shine a little bit. Yes I also would have preferred him to play more of his own songs... But at least he made some songs of his own !
Alan's case could have been similar. After all he joined DS as a full member
In 1980, not so long after it all started, and he probably brought many things and ideas. His keyboards skills are quite outstanding (see TOL on Alchemy/Wembley !). His major faults are not that much "The straits" per say, but all these interviews saying that he co-wrote TR and that MK was not that a big part of DS. Had he be contented with playing some old songs with a few ex-members that probably Mark would have smiled and not cared much. But all this tralala about it as if it was a major event, a reformation of DS... This is like Icarus: if you go to close to the sun, don't be surprised to be burnt. My 2 cents.

yes, herlock, good points
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Post by: herlock on March 15, 2015, 10:32:18 pm
Guy just said that TOTT is on the provisional set list !!!!!! B
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Post by: dustyvalentino on March 15, 2015, 10:33:34 pm
So was On Every Street!
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Post by: herlock on March 15, 2015, 10:36:00 pm
Aargh I should have known: never ask two questions in one to Guy, he will just answer the easy one... He completely ignored my question about Alan Clark !!! :(

Don't understand Mark: the song is only a bonus one, but he wants to play live (that is, slap Alan face live every night or so). Contradictory to me... But this one is going to be awesome live !!
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Post by: herlock on March 15, 2015, 10:36:46 pm
So was On Every Street!
Rrrrahhhh don't remind me of that ! :(
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Post by: LoveExpresso on March 15, 2015, 10:40:10 pm
Yes, we have no idea what a "provisional set list" really means: Songs that "possibly" could be played, because of band members, available guitars, technical reasons and so on. Maybe the whole Tracker album is on it.

LE
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Post by: Marijo58 on March 15, 2015, 10:45:47 pm
Aargh I should have known: never ask two questions in one to Guy, he will just answer the easy one... He completely ignored my question about Alan Clark !!! :(

Don't understand Mark: the song is only a bonus one, but he wants to play live (that is, slap Alan face live every night or so). Contradictory to me... But this one is going to be awesome live !!

Mark has always been a mystery man so I guess that we'll never have an answer to this question even if a Journalist is asking him to tell why!!! I certainly really hope that he is going to play TOTT live!!! :thumbsup
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Post by: koobaa on March 15, 2015, 11:01:55 pm
Aargh I should have known: never ask two questions in one to Guy, he will just answer the easy one... He completely ignored my question about Alan Clark !!! :(

Don't understand Mark: the song is only a bonus one, but he wants to play live (that is, slap Alan face live every night or so). Contradictory to me... But this one is going to be awesome live !!
Some things are better left unanswered. They have even more powerful meaning that way. I can imagine it must be quite uncomfortable for Guy to answer this one. Since the message is clear why bother asking.

I like your Icarus comparison, herlock.
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Post by: El Macho on March 15, 2015, 11:03:29 pm
Guy just said that TOTT is on the provisional set list !!!!!! B

I'm the one who asked the question and never thought he'd answer that.
He usually never say anything about setlists...

So was On Every Street!

It was for the cancelled TRD tour in 2003...
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Post by: herlock on March 15, 2015, 11:10:02 pm
Aargh I should have known: never ask two questions in one to Guy, he will just answer the easy one... He completely ignored my question about Alan Clark !!! :(

Don't understand Mark: the song is only a bonus one, but he wants to play live (that is, slap Alan face live every night or so). Contradictory to me... But this one is going to be awesome live !!
Some things are better left unanswered. They have even more powerful meaning that way. I can imagine it must be quite uncomfortable for Guy to answer this one. Since the message is clear why bother asking.

I like your Icarus comparison, herlock.
Thanks :) you may be right actually.
If I'm not mistaken Alan and Guy were buddies ? They used to go windsurfing together ? And now Guys says that this awesome but violent TOTT is his very favorite...
Ho well. Yet another example of how fragile human relationships are...
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Post by: Slavi on March 15, 2015, 11:25:19 pm
So, now Alan Clark was humiliated completely for the eternity in the sacred place of the genuine music of MK. If the song would be played life also in front the audience & world would get worse . I'm very disappointed of MK doing it this way especially when all is finished now and The Straits splitted up. Sound like revenge for me. Would be better if he would say it in an interview, on his site, or just calling him "listen ash***, do not mess with my music". It all be OK.
 It's clear now these two have old scores to settle down.


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Post by: Slavi on March 15, 2015, 11:33:54 pm
Aargh I should have known: never ask two questions in one to Guy, he will just answer the easy one... He completely ignored my question about Alan Clark !!! :(

Don't understand Mark: the song is only a bonus one, but he wants to play live (that is, slap Alan face live every night or so). Contradictory to me... But this one is going to be awesome live !!
Some things are better left unanswered. They have even more powerful meaning that way. I can imagine it must be quite uncomfortable for Guy to answer this one. Since the message is clear why bother asking.

I like your Icarus comparison, herlock.

Sincerely I'd really like an answer.

I mean, even if AC did really behave badly or even very badly, I still feel somewhat unhappy about MK targeting him in a song, especially in an excellent song which I love musically (my fav of the album) .

So I'd really like to know who is the target officially.

MK would never answer directly nor Guy...but I have not doubts it's about Alan
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Post by: yontwocrows on March 15, 2015, 11:36:44 pm
AC is never mentioned in the Song, so it should not be a problem at all. MK didn't offend anyone personally, neither anyone of his ex band mates nor the Straits. This is all well done, fair and perfectly ok. There is no real damage made. Whereas the precise information that you demand, more out of the feeling of curiousity could cause the real damage.
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Post by: Slavi on March 15, 2015, 11:49:31 pm
AC is never mentioned in the Song, so it should not be a problem at all. MK didn't offend anyone personally, neither anyone of his ex band mates nor the Straits. This is all well done, fair and perfectly ok. There is no real damage made. Whereas the precise information that you demand, more out of the feeling of curiousity could cause the real damage.

Agree! It would be better if we stop digging deep inside and just enjoy the music. Or talk about the next song or even better for the next MK album.  ;D ;D ;D

If there is a message to somebody in this lyrics I'm sure it has already reached him.
13 pages are enough for this song, the others have 5-6 and it's not fair
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Post by: the visitor on March 15, 2015, 11:53:52 pm
This song should be on the vinyl, pretty disappointed that it isn't as it is fantastic.

I hear Hendrix licks in here in the guitar work.

Yes, a musical shot at the Straits and a powerful one but all is fair in love and war. This though is probably the reason it is kept off the album as it would have caused a stir with the critics asking questions etc which is a real shame particualr ly when the message is so direct .

Cmon man this should have been on the vinyl...sooooo good
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Post by: yontwocrows on March 15, 2015, 11:59:18 pm
Ah, now i get what you all mean with the Hendrix licks. Yes, i like that too. EC used also to play this way a lot. Yeah, it's a good song, and it has a big impact (considering this thread and Guys Forum). Exciting Times!
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Post by: the visitor on March 16, 2015, 12:00:06 am
The intro is a bit spooky...brings to mind ghosts and ghools or perhaps Most Haunted, the theme tune of which AC composed.

Naughty, naughty
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Post by: koobaa on March 16, 2015, 12:50:17 am
AC is never mentioned in the Song, so it should not be a problem at all. MK didn't offend anyone personally, neither anyone of his ex band mates nor the Straits. This is all well done, fair and perfectly ok. There is no real damage made. Whereas the precise information that you demand, more out of the feeling of curiousity could cause the real damage.
My thoughts exactly. Like an artist, he let the music do the talking.
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Post by: Fletch on March 16, 2015, 05:14:54 am
Quote
I think it sounds a bit similar to "Let It Grow" (as someone already mentioned here). I can hardly hear any similarities to DS recordings. The guitar sound is different (although it is a Strat), a lot more acoustic guitar strumming, fairly unusual harmonies.

The outro especially has the vibe and style of Let It Grow.
Is there a word for musical moments that make you feel another song?
I find myself singing Radio City Serenade during My Heart has Never Changed and the Long Cool Girl melody instantly makes me hum Cry Baby Cry by the Beatles no less!
Just a feature of most modern music, it's unusual when a new song doesn't invoke an old melody.
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Post by: surferboy on March 16, 2015, 07:22:18 am
So, now Alan Clark was humiliated completely for the eternity in the sacred place of the genuine music of MK. If the song would be played life also in front the audience & world would get worse . I'm very disappointed of MK doing it this way especially when all is finished now and The Straits splitted up. Sound like revenge for me. Would be better if he would say it in an interview, on his site, or just calling him "listen ash***, do not mess with my music". It all be OK.
 It's clear now these two have old scores to settle down.

I'm not sure "The Straits thing" is really finished. With his next band attempt AC will most certainly try again to get attention by using DS material heavily.
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Post by: Marijo58 on March 16, 2015, 08:47:31 am
AC is never mentioned in the Song, so it should not be a problem at all. MK didn't offend anyone personally, neither anyone of his ex band mates nor the Straits. This is all well done, fair and perfectly ok. There is no real damage made. Whereas the precise information that you demand, more out of the feeling of curiousity could cause the real damage.
My thoughts exactly. Like an artist, he let the music do the talking.
The very same for me after re listening to the song!!!!!!!! MK is a genius and a very intelligent Man, I never doubt he is!! :wave  :thumbsup
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Post by: superval99 on March 16, 2015, 09:40:50 am
As well as "Let it Grow", I can also hear in my mind the outro of "Junkie Doll"   :hmm
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Post by: Dutchessy on March 16, 2015, 09:48:01 am
Guy Fletcher:

I will say that TOTT is in our provisional set-list.  :clap
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Post by: jbaent on March 16, 2015, 10:26:09 am
Setting me up and The mans too strong we're on provisional set lists too in the past...
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Post by: Hugo97 on March 16, 2015, 10:33:36 am
Setting me up and The mans too strong we're on provisional set lists too in the past...

Which tours were that again? I can't remember  :hmm
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Post by: herlock on March 16, 2015, 10:46:33 am
AC is never mentioned in the Song, so it should not be a problem at all. MK didn't offend anyone personally, neither anyone of his ex band mates nor the Straits. This is all well done, fair and perfectly ok. There is no real damage made. Whereas the precise information that you demand, more out of the feeling of curiousity could cause the real damage.

Agree! It would be better if we stop digging deep inside and just enjoy the music. Or talk about the next song or even better for the next MK album.  ;D ;D ;D

If there is a message to somebody in this lyrics I'm sure it has already reached him.
13 pages are enough for this song, the others have 5-6 and it's not fair
C'mon !
This song manages to be:
-the best musically
-the most controversial lirycally
-the most unfairly treated politically (bonus song whereas it should have been a single)

That's three good reasons to talk about it more than the others, each one being sufficient alone :)
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Post by: joanzimm on March 16, 2015, 11:15:46 am
So, now Alan Clark was humiliated completely for the eternity in the sacred place of the genuine music of MK. If the song would be played life also in front the audience & world would get worse .

If the song is played live, 99% of the people in the audience will have no idea what it's about, just like most of MK's songs. 
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Post by: surferboy on March 16, 2015, 11:22:37 am
So, now Alan Clark was humiliated completely for the eternity in the sacred place of the genuine music of MK. If the song would be played life also in front the audience & world would get worse .

If the song is played live, 99% of the people in the audience will have no idea what it's about, just like most of MK's songs.

At his feet a sea of faces
Make devotions with their love
Clap their hands...
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Post by: ingridswing on March 16, 2015, 11:43:59 am

At his feet a sea of faces
Make devotions with their love
Clap their hands...
[/quote]

But that's another song ;-) But a great one too!
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Post by: surferboy on March 16, 2015, 11:58:18 am
I know. I wanted to add to joanzimm's remark that most in the audience probably wouldn't know about what MK's songs are about and what MK might think about that.
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Post by: D44mu on March 16, 2015, 12:30:36 pm
Just two notes from me.
When I first listened to this Song, i hold the booklet in my hands. I saw a big painted Mark with it's typical headband. For me it was a big hint of what this song is all about.

Guy told in his forum that this song is the best for him.
I wonder why: because of the typical Dire Straits sound or
because of the meaning of this text?
Perhaps both?

Nevertheless this Song is great and the melody reminds me of the past.

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Post by: foma on March 16, 2015, 12:35:32 pm
Just two notes from me.
When I first listened to this Song, i hold the booklet in my hands. I saw a big painted Mark with it's typical headband. For me it was a big hint of what this song is all about.

Guy told in his forum that this song is the best for him.
I wonder why: because of the typical Dire Straits sound or
because of the meaning of this text?
Perhaps both?

Nevertheless this Song is great and the melody reminds me of the past.



I think it now will be a default 'favourite song' for Guy to answer, because it just can't be any favourite songs at all (on the album, on the decade, on the lifetime, etc.), but by giving answer with this song he do the job twice, as answer about tribute bands AND as answer about favourite song. Smart ;)
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Post by: dmg on March 16, 2015, 01:03:29 pm
The intro is a bit spooky...brings to mind ghosts and ghools or perhaps Most Haunted, the theme tune of which AC composed.

Naughty, naughty

Brings to mind Diamonds Are Forever in the first couple of seconds.
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Post by: peterromer on March 16, 2015, 01:36:36 pm
Is it the lyrics in general that makes you think its about AC or is it a specific line that discovers it ?
As I see it the inspiration can also come from another member in a band he has been in touch with.
 
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Post by: dmg on March 16, 2015, 01:41:01 pm
Is it the lyrics in general that makes you think its about AC or is it a specific line that discovers it ?
As I see it the inspiration can also come from another member in a band he has been in touch with.

For me it's the chip on his shoulder line that does it.  This is clearly aimed at AC's comments he made in promo interviews for The Straits shows.  It was our very own Dusty what wrote that line you know!  ;D
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Post by: peterromer on March 16, 2015, 02:02:04 pm
I see I see, I had to Google the meaning of "chip on his shoulder". If its really AC he must have pissed MK off ... especially "you never made it, and you never will" is harsh. But the song is brilliant and already a favorite. Cant wait to hear it live    :thumbsup
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Post by: border_reiver on March 16, 2015, 02:31:06 pm
Isn't it a bigger smack on the head of Terence Reis' more so than AC's?  :hmm
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Post by: peterromer on March 16, 2015, 02:50:43 pm
After reading a ton of comments to this song,I think its more a smack to AC than Terence. As I recall Terence was found by AC and hired as a unknown musician to join them. I guess Terence saw an option to get out there and grabbed it.   
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Post by: junkiedoll on March 16, 2015, 08:24:09 pm
So, now Alan Clark was humiliated completely for the eternity in the sacred place of the genuine music of MK. If the song would be played life also in front the audience & world would get worse . I'm very disappointed of MK doing it this way especially when all is finished now and The Straits splitted up. Sound like revenge for me. Would be better if he would say it in an interview, on his site, or just calling him "listen ash***, do not mess with my music". It all be OK.
 It's clear now these two have old scores to settle down.

I'm not sure "The Straits thing" is really finished. With his next band attempt AC will most certainly try again to get attention by using DS material heavily.


From AC on his website: "I may also be involved in a very exciting Dire Straits related project later this year; watch this space."
http://www.alanclarkmusic.com/straits%20page.html

What can one say about that in the terminal of tribute to...
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Post by: Marijo58 on March 16, 2015, 08:47:44 pm
This is a very exciting TV serial what we are following with this song!! MK verses AC what's going to happen in next episode?? Lol...
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Post by: Marijo58 on March 16, 2015, 10:28:46 pm
This is a very exciting TV serial what we are following with this song!! MK verses AC what's going to happen in next episode?? Lol...

After Alias Lost Fringe Person of Interest Star Trek and Star Wars, JJ Abrams will probably work on this one :D

Yes indeed Pensaboy!!! Would be a very good idea!!! :thumbsup :clap
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Post by: Marijo58 on March 16, 2015, 10:44:38 pm
This is a very exciting TV serial what we are following with this song!! MK verses AC what's going to happen in next episode?? Lol...

After Alias Lost Fringe Person of Interest Star Trek and Star Wars, JJ Abrams will probably work on this one :D


Yes indeed Pensaboy!!! Would be a very good idea!!! :thumbsup :clap


I have a very interesting vid that you all have seen before from Dortmund in 1980!!! Who was the Boss there?? MK or AC??!!!!

https://youtu.be/PZ4oVNb-wuQ

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Post by: jbaent on March 16, 2015, 11:52:06 pm
So, now Alan Clark was humiliated completely for the eternity in the sacred place of the genuine music of MK. If the song would be played life also in front the audience & world would get worse . I'm very disappointed of MK doing it this way especially when all is finished now and The Straits splitted up. Sound like revenge for me. Would be better if he would say it in an interview, on his site, or just calling him "listen ash***, do not mess with my music". It all be OK.
 It's clear now these two have old scores to settle down.

I'm not sure "The Straits thing" is really finished. With his next band attempt AC will most certainly try again to get attention by using DS material heavily.


From AC on his website: "I may also be involved in a very exciting Dire Straits related project later this year; watch this space."
http://www.alanclarkmusic.com/straits%20page.html

What can one say about that in the terminal of tribute to...

That might be that project that Phil Palmer mentioned to our Ingrid...
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Post by: ingridswing on March 17, 2015, 12:06:16 am
Must be Jbaent. You can like or dislike it. I am going to see them. Great musicians, playing the music I love. I think the song is about AC because of his interviews and not because people cover DS music. It's pretending to be DS what's wrong. Phil made it absolutely clear to me that his take is  and I quote here what he wrote to me: "to celebrate the music with passion and respect"  and "no wish to challenge the great spirit of a wonderful band and the genius of MK in which it was my privilege to be involved for a short time" I talked quit a long time with him and e-mailed a little up and down with him, and I really felt he was honest to me about this. Actually passionate about playing the music he really loves.

So if they do what Phil told me and don't put it as a reunion (Phil told me: " it's not a reunion of any description") I am happy with it. But you all know promotors, journalists and so on will link it to DS even if the band doesn't want to.
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Post by: jbaent on March 17, 2015, 12:17:36 am
AC was a very important piece of DS, so any reunion celebrating the DS music should have him dpecislly if they are counting with ex members.

And yes, the most important piece was MK, obviously, that's why I called AC a very important piece, not the most...

I wonder who else will be involved, I don't mind how many "terminals" writes MK, as long as he moved forward and leave DS back, it's clear that there is still an interest in DS and his music, and an ex members reunion, original members or not, would be of interest for many that, as Ingrid and I, would enjoy that celebration.
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Post by: junkiedoll on March 17, 2015, 12:24:38 am
I think the song is about AC because of his interviews and not because people cover DS music. It's pretending to be DS what's wrong.

Well, then I am wondering why other so called DS ex members (which Phil is not) have no bad feeling about joining with AC in these kind of things (some of the straits obviously got a bad feeling that's why they split). It is all incredibly strange and I would have not believed that they consider to go on after Mark has clearly stated now what he thinks of it. Also Guy seems very direct now in his answers in this respect (which he wasn't always as we know).  :think
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Post by: ingridswing on March 17, 2015, 12:27:53 am
Agree with you Jbaent, but with respect to what Phil told me I avoid the word reunion, because when I used this word to him he really was strongly insisting that it was NOT. So some ex-members (not all, not mentioning main or longtime DS-members) of DS will get together and play music we love. And everyone can say what he wants but at least a couple of them are very good musicians. And not every good musician also has the talent to write good songs themselves. But I love to hear good musicians, also when they only cover other music. Next saturday a very good local band will play only covers, not from one band, but from the 70's to 90's. They are good musicians, they are passionful in playing, so it will be a great night.
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Post by: jbaent on March 17, 2015, 12:33:31 am
Did you mentioned Phil about this song in any recent mail? I know it doesn't talks about him but it might be interesting to know his opinion.
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Post by: ingridswing on March 17, 2015, 12:48:00 am
No I didn't mail him about it. I will make up my mind if I want to do t or not. Don't know if he will join JI in Bonn. If so, it may be smarter to talk with him about this in person. Sometimes it's hard to express everything in a mail, especially because english is not my native tongue. He already misunderstood some sentences I wrote earlier.
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Post by: surferboy on March 17, 2015, 09:54:29 am
Well, then I am wondering why other so called DS ex members (which Phil is not) have no bad feeling about joining with AC in these kind of things (some of the straits obviously got a bad feeling that's why they split). It is all incredibly strange and I would have not believed that they consider to go on after Mark has clearly stated now what he thinks of it. Also Guy seems very direct now in his answers in this respect (which he wasn't always as we know).  :think

You make a very good point here.
If Phil really doesn't want to overstep the limits by participating in deliberately misleading DS reunion projects and if he really intends to esteem MK's work and not offendingly downplay MK's role in DS, he will stay away from AC.
That will be the proof of the truth of what he said to Ingrid.
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Post by: Slavi on March 17, 2015, 03:39:46 pm
Agree with you Jbaent, but with respect to what Phil told me I avoid the word reunion, because when I used this word to him he really was strongly insisting that it was NOT. So some ex-members (not all, not mentioning main or longtime DS-members) of DS will get together and play music we love. And everyone can say what he wants but at least a couple of them are very good musicians. And not every good musician also has the talent to write good songs themselves. But I love to hear good musicians, also when they only cover other music. Next saturday a very good local band will play only covers, not from one band, but from the 70's to 90's. They are good musicians, they are passionful in playing, so it will be a great night.
Completely agree with you Ingrid - with all your posts here. You put it the best  in words for me... :clap
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Post by: ingridswing on March 17, 2015, 04:12:53 pm
Thanks Slavi. I talked to Phil and that made me think and nuance the view. He really was very passionate about not reuniting DS, not claiming to be DS. He was very honest, at least I felt so. So let's see what they are going to do, how they are going to call themselves etc. They all have to make a living and a lot of people want to hear DS-songs played in a proper way. If MK doesn't do it, others can do it. And MK will get a share from the rights paid by the venues.
And let's not blame them when promotors suggest otherwise if they form a band which makes clear that they are not DS. Mark doesn't use the name DS ever, but promotors in every country always use DS to sale tickets, albums and so on.
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Post by: Slavi on March 17, 2015, 04:18:32 pm
 Trying to recall the past...Being a big fan ( and friend) of Chris White I have been many times in Italy to many tribute events. For most of them I know for sure they were supported by Mark himself - Pensa Day even was suggested to organize in Italy by Mark during 2002 Charity gigs in London. Other such event was a charity for Amnesty International in 2007 in Italy again - they were 3 DS tribute bands there, Chris White, Terry Kilburn, Paolo Bonfanti, a great Italian blues player,  and some other guests. Mark also sent some stuff and guitars for the charity.

I'm amazed by the fans and all tribute bands in Italy - such a warm and loving atmosphere, smiles and happy faces, all respect and love for MK and his music.
I suppose it's the same in Spain, Germany and other countries. I can not imagine  Terminal Tribute To is about them.

I also think, despite that most of you will disagree, because you have information from Guy, but not from Mark himself...I think that what most annoyed Mark to write this song was not the name of The Straits, but mostly Alan in his interviews, pretending to be DS ( thank you, Ingrid, for this sentence) or collaborating upon Telegraph Road. I'm so sorry about Alan that he couldn't rethink the past. He is really a wonderful musician.

One more thing. I have been on many concerts of The Straits - met many new fans and friends and spoke to many people but never, really never met people who were misleaded they will watch Dire Straits, which was the biggest concern of the fans here, in the forum.
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Post by: Marijo58 on March 17, 2015, 05:13:49 pm
Trying to recall the past...Being a big fan ( and friend) of Chris White I have been many times in Italy to many tribute events. For most of them I know for sure they were supported by Mark himself - Pensa Day even was suggested to organize in Italy by Mark during 2002 Charity gigs in London. Other such event was a charity for Amnesty International in 2007 in Italy again - they were 3 DS tribute bands there, Chris White, Terry Kilburn, Paolo Bonfanti, a great Italian blues player,  and some other guests. Mark also sent some stuff and guitars for the charity.

I'm amazed by the fans and all tribute bands in Italy - such a warm and loving atmosphere, smiles and happy faces, all respect and love for MK and his music.
I suppose it's the same in Spain, Germany and other countries. I can not imagine  Terminal Tribute To is about them.

I also think, despite that most of you will disagree, because you have information from Guy, but not from Mark himself...I think that what most annoyed Mark to write this song was not the name of The Straits, but mostly Alan in his interviews, pretending to be DS ( thank you, Ingrid, for this sentence) or collaborating upon Telegraph Road. I'm so sorry about Alan that he couldn't rethink the past. He is really a wonderful musician.

One more thing. I have been on many concerts of The Straits - met many new fans and friends and spoke to many people but never, really never met people who were misleaded they will watch Dire Straits, which was the biggest concern of the fans here, in the forum.

Thanks Slavi and Ingrid for all these informations about the Tribute Gigs because I am new here and besides I never attend any DS gigs ever, just saw them on vids neither did I see NHB nor MK and The Straits!! Never got the opportunities and never could have been among 60000 people, I'm afraid of the crowd, too bad for me!!! But that's not the problem of this forum. However I like very much Chris White and I would have loved to see him involved with MK's work nowadays because he's an outstanding saxo player and excellent musician. Concerning AC who is a great keyboard musicians and happens to come from Newcastle as MK, I was surprised to read here that he made troubles by claiming credits on TR for exemple but that explained to me why MK chose Guy Fletcher to follow him on his new Team and not Alan because GF is a quiet and gentle man!!! Can imagine that AC got mad, that's understandable!! So now the Puzzle of what happened when MK decided to put an end to DS Mega Tours and start his carreer alone, making his choices and having his own staff, is starting to make sense to me!!! Although I said it before even if I do not know MK as a human being but as a Musician,  I still don't believe that he made TOTT just like that, something that he can't forgive from the past or more recent must have make him really angry!! He seems to be an intelligent man and you don't start to write those terrible words to another human being like "you are nobody and you'll stay like that", etc unless the problem between the parts is something very serious!!! That's my point of view....
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Post by: Slavi on March 17, 2015, 05:40:47 pm
I was shocked by the lyrics from the start, but now I may say Mark probably just wrote the song to let everything go or trying to release the past...Who knows?

Somebody said here that everything was about money.
Well, The Straits really filled but a very small venues and their tickets were cheaper 3-4 times compare to MK, so I don't think they earned that much and also Italian tribute bands.
Marijo58, 60000 people were during BIA or OES of DS, and never happened since 1992.
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Post by: junkiedoll on March 17, 2015, 05:44:41 pm
I was shocked by the lyrics from the start, but now I may say Mark probably just wrote the song to let everything go or trying to release the past...Who knows?

Somebody said here that everything was about money.
Well, The Straits really filled but a very small venues and their tickets were cheaper 3-4 times compare to MK, so I don't think they earned that much and also Italian tribute bands.
Marijo58, 60000 people were during BIA or OES of DS, and never happened since 1992.

He obviously referred to the straits with 60000 people as Dire straits, not to the straits from the last years (even we swap up ...)

By the way, for me it was the opposite: I was shocked by the straits thing, not by the lyrics...
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Post by: Marijo58 on March 17, 2015, 05:57:47 pm
I was shocked by the lyrics from the start, but now I may say Mark probably just wrote the song to let everything go or trying to release the past...Who knows?

Somebody said here that everything was about money.
Well, The Straits really filled but a very small venues and their tickets were cheaper 3-4 times compare to MK, so I don't think they earned that much and also Italian tribute bands.
Marijo58, 60000 people were during BIA or OES of DS, and never happened since 1992.

Yes Slavi but before the 60000 people gigs I was not going often to concert unfortunately and after I married a Finnish man, moved to Sweden and Finland. We never attended there either because my ex was not so fond of DS and MK.Then I divorced came back to France in 1999 almost broke and had to start all over again!! Had to spare in order to travel or go to concert!! Hard economic situation forces you to forget about your dreams!! Now life is a bit better and I can finally afford to make my dream come true to see MK perform on stage!! :wave
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Post by: Marijo58 on March 17, 2015, 06:12:53 pm
And Slavi by the way , I noticed that you said that you know Chris White and that he's One of your friends, please do tell him if you have contact with him sometimes in the future that I simply admire his wonderful work on Romeo and Juliett and on Private Investigations!! I wish him the very best in the future and that I was sorry to read about his loss of a dear friend in cancer!!He seems very deeply sad about this.  If he has an email contact for Fans I can maybe leave my message myself??? Thanks.
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Post by: yontwocrows on March 17, 2015, 07:39:53 pm
Ha Ha Ha, i love it, how Guy ignores the questions or find manouevres to avoid answering, if the Straits or AC are the topic of the song or not.
There were at least three attempts to get the information, all of them failed. But it's very clear that it's a song that is pointing to the Straits, because if not he would have denied it. How he btw did, when he was questioned if Oklahoma Ponies refers to Mark's son and his group  ;)
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Post by: Slavi on March 17, 2015, 07:56:45 pm
And Slavi by the way , I noticed that you said that you know Chris White and that he's One of your friends, please do tell him if you have contact with him sometimes in the future that I simply admire his wonderful work on Romeo and Juliett and on Private Investigations!! I wish him the very best in the future and that I was sorry to read about his loss of a dear friend in cancer!!He seems very deeply sad about this.  If he has an email contact for Fans I can maybe leave my message myself??? Thanks.

Marijo58, hope life will get even better for you in the future! Living in Bulgaria, I couldn't see DS in the past. But times have changed for us too. So I was lucky to see MK many times.  ;D
Chris White is a fabulous musician and a man of a honor. I am very proud and lucky to know him.
You can leave him a message on his Facebook page. He would be grateful.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Chris-White-Saxophone/305516969545656
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Post by: LoveExpresso on March 17, 2015, 09:02:39 pm
Best thing about this song is that it is followed by Heart of Oaks.











HA HA, gotcha!   No no, it is a really great song with strong guitar. It is just that it is not the Mark of today who speaks through these lyrics. Millionaire Blues, Let's See You, all long gone. But why not. Some profile is never a bad thing.

LE
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: shangri la 1 on March 18, 2015, 09:39:50 am
  ::) :clap Brilliant sounding track! Love everything about it. Songs about the music from Mark are always stunning. It is where his life's passion resides and now we know just how protective of it he is!  :o
I'm certain that if they hadn't used his own favorite term for the band, that his own feelings towards the guys wouldn't have been so strong. Not sure if anyone else noticed it in the British Grove film (Thanks for the correction LE my head is on a coach ride at the moment) from '12.51, but Mark was about to say "The Straits" and he paused and said Dire Straits? The fold of the arms shows how protective of that name he still is.  ;)
How things might have been different for the guys. All good musicians in their own right, but seemed to have pushed the envelope just too far?
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpNV5ECePg8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpNV5ECePg8

 SL1
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Knopflerfan on March 18, 2015, 09:55:24 am
Just loving everything about this superb track the more I hear it.... The guitar sound IMHO is superb...
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Marijo58 on March 18, 2015, 09:57:21 am
Thanks  Shangri la great revue of that wonderful song. By the way where is the link to the entire Hansen Movie. i did not find it ? Is it on AMIT TV?
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Knopflerfan on March 18, 2015, 09:59:32 am
Thanks  Shangri la great revue of that wonderful song. By the way where is the link to the entire Hansen Movie. i did not find it ? Is it on AMIT TV?

I think that I saw it on 'you tube' you know...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7-cpV_H_z4


 
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Marijo58 on March 18, 2015, 10:02:25 am
OK thanks KnopflerfanI'll go and check later..
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Knopflerfan on March 18, 2015, 10:04:36 am
See above link!!
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: shangri la 1 on March 18, 2015, 10:10:56 am
 :-\ :-X :disbelief :hmm Some on here are going to hate me for this, but I'm 1/2 way thru making a video for this one. Funny thing is I'm starting from the final solo and working my way back through the song  ??? ??? :hmm :hmm
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Knopflerfan on March 18, 2015, 10:17:08 am
Sounds like your having fun - look forward to seeing the result!! ;)
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: shangri la 1 on March 18, 2015, 10:19:30 am
Send me a PM I'll show you the rushes so far.
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Knopflerfan on March 18, 2015, 10:22:59 am
PM sent ;)
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: shangri la 1 on March 18, 2015, 10:29:00 am
Thanks  Shangri la great revue of that wonderful song. By the way where is the link to the entire Hansen Movie. i did not find it ? Is it on AMIT TV?
I have edited the post to show the YT link.  ;)
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Knopflerfan on March 18, 2015, 10:32:05 am
Absolutely love the vid - it sums the song up very well well done!!!
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: dmg on March 18, 2015, 12:02:35 pm
Just loving everything about this superb track the more I hear it.... The guitar sound IMHO is superb...

I agree.  It even inspired me to my own little ditty:

There once was a man called Knopfler
Who was such a great old warbler
He’s big on guitar
But doesn’t take it too far
Even though we’d like him to consider!

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Knopflerfan on March 18, 2015, 12:27:34 pm
Erm,  No more Warbler and the Guitar goes further in this album DMG!! ;)
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Marijo58 on March 18, 2015, 02:50:01 pm
Thanks  Shangri la great revue of that wonderful song. By the way where is the link to the entire Hansen Movie. i did not find it ? Is it on AMIT TV?
I have edited the post to show the YT link.  ;)

OK thanks a lot Shangri la! :thumbsup :clap :wave
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Rail King on March 18, 2015, 05:05:02 pm
It doesn't matter to much to whom he's referring to exactly, I think ("tossing your hear" can't be about Alan, that's for sure ;)). If it is a slap in the face – and yes, it is! - then it's a slap in the face of the whole concept of tribute bands and the sad sort of people who are ready to participate in it for money. I always thought tribute acts were a silly thing (if you have any musical talent, then come on, us it to create something new), and they're particularly ridiculous when done by people who were part of the real thing, and could easily make a living as studio musicians, or whatever. It's just a very, very, very ... uncool thing to do. So as far as I'm concerned, that slap is well deserved, by whoever it may concern.

How anyone - Alan, Phil or others - can seriously consider repeating their "tribute" tours after hearing this song is beyond me. I can hardly believe it will happen. I mean, HOW embarassing would that be? If it really happens, I'll go to one of the shows and hold up a sign asking for "Terminal of Tribute to"
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: foma on March 18, 2015, 05:14:02 pm
It doesn't matter to much to whom he's referring to exactly, I think ("tossing your hear" can't be about Alan, that's for sure ;)). If it is a slap in the face – and yes, it is! - then it's a slap in the face of the whole concept of tribute bands and the sad sort of people who are ready to participate in it for money. I always thought tribute acts were a silly thing (if you have any musical talent, then come on, us it to create something new), and they're particularly ridiculous when done by people who were part of the real thing, and could easily make a living as studio musicians, or whatever. It's just a very, very, very ... uncool thing to do. So as far as I'm concerned, that slap is well deserved, by whoever it may concern.

How anyone - Alan, Phil or others - can seriously consider repeating their "tribute" tours after hearing this song is beyond me. I can hardly believe it will happen. I mean, HOW embarassing would that be? If it really happens, I'll go to one of the shows and hold up a sign asking for "Terminal of Tribute to"

I go around city and from time to time see, for instance, ADRIANO CELENTANO CONCERT poster with small tiny 'tribute show' added.

How self-denial could man be to do that? Obviously we all need money, and obviously it's easy to copy someone, just buy same guitars, and hopefully, with some work, it will sound very similar. But I find myself a little bit guilty even to copy Mark's music for my YouTube covers. It's almost on the verge of self-denial to me.

To play Mark's songs, while being his friend or whatever in the past, it's like hopping around somebody, waving hands at his face and saying 'Air is free!'.
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: foma on March 18, 2015, 05:47:24 pm
If those tribute acts have a decent sense of humour (which I seriously doubt they have) they must have already learned the 'Terminal of Tribute' song to play it first on their concerts. Or, maaaaaaaaybe, the whole setlist with just one song, like Mark did with Rudiger. Remember that? ;D
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: ingridswing on March 18, 2015, 05:48:16 pm
As you know I disagree with that something is wrong with tributebands. Not everyone who is an excellent musician can write songs (and earn money with it).
There's a lot of demand for tributebands. It's nice to hear the songs played again by excellent musicians. It's nice our own forummembers give it a try too, and I must say sometimes really good!
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: foma on March 18, 2015, 06:00:09 pm
As you know I disagree with that something is wrong with tributebands. Not everyone who is an excellent musician can write songs (and earn money with it).
There's a lot of demand for tributebands. It's nice to hear the songs played again by excellent musicians. It's nice our own forummembers give it a try too, and I must say sometimes really good!

You made me think about something about I never think before. What if only musicians hate tribute acts? It'l like, let's se... if they chosen an easy way.

I never heard a non-musician cursing about tribute acts. Because normal people get songs anyway, and song is the king.

I also have to mention that 99% of classical music is a enormous tribute act. Even composer's name are written first before any musician's name.
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: junkiedoll on March 18, 2015, 06:07:55 pm
Even composer's name are written first before any musician's name.

Thats true, I know that as long time visitor of the Viennese opera and famous Musikverein; by the way that´s exactly what has not happened with the straits, MK as composer of all songs has even not been mentioned.

Again I really have the impression that one has to distinguish between the straits and other, 'normal' tribute acts, also regarding the money argument (I could hardly believe that AC or Phil Palmer need money, but maybe I am naive here...)
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: foma on March 18, 2015, 07:00:17 pm
Even Guy himself said he's not so worthy as may people thinks he is. It's Mark who have his millions, others are pretty ordinary people I believe.
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: foma on March 18, 2015, 07:43:05 pm
Here's my levels of any non-classical musician's happiness and unhappiness:

++ Write own music
+ Playing for free
Non-musician
- Teaching
-- Tribute act

So I'm going to stay with music as a hobby if nothing else would happen. I hate teaching, and I hate tributes, so I'm up to playing for free or to write.

That's it.
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: LoveExpresso on March 18, 2015, 09:32:44 pm
The Hansen movie is that around 6 minute short thing, the 23 minute long British Grove Interview is not from Hansen. It seems there was a little confusion about it.

LE
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Slavi on March 18, 2015, 10:10:31 pm
Even composer's name are written first before any musician's name.

Thats true, I know that as long time visitor of the Viennese opera and famous Musikverein; by the way that´s exactly what has not happened with the straits, MK as composer of all songs has even not been mentioned

You are NOT correct ! Have you ever been in their concert? Terence Reis in every gig had a short speech about Mark Knopfler writing all these amazing songs! 
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Post by: junkiedoll on March 18, 2015, 10:30:37 pm
Even composer's name are written first before any musician's name.

Thats true, I know that as long time visitor of the Viennese opera and famous Musikverein; by the way that´s exactly what has not happened with the straits, MK as composer of all songs has even not been mentioned

You are NOT correct ! Have you ever been in their concert? Terence Reis in every gig had a short speech about Mark Knopfler writing all these amazing songs!


Ok, I've heard the opposite from other people who where at RAH, but maybe Reis gave him a short footnote later. No, of course I have not been, I was not so eager to go to the terminal, but thats a matter of taste...
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: zigner on March 18, 2015, 10:44:43 pm



As far as I know there are no rights attached to playing songs from other artists. There are rights attached to the writing, the publishing, and the playback of disks. Now if whoever wants to play Sultans in front of whatever crowd,  I think nobody can stop them...

I don't think you are correct about the rights for performing a song.  Live performances do result in royalty fees.

http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/music-royalties7.htm
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Marijo58 on March 18, 2015, 10:47:47 pm
The Hansen movie is that around 6 minute short thing, the 23 minute long British Grove Interview is not from Hansen. It seems there was a little confusion about it.

LE

LE yes you're right, the first doc is Tracker Tracks by Tracks and it's on Vevo YouTube but I for exemple don't have access to the Hansen Movie I'm sure!!! I haven't bought the big box!! Thanks anyway!! :wave
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Post by: foma on March 18, 2015, 11:39:57 pm



As far as I know there are no rights attached to playing songs from other artists. There are rights attached to the writing, the publishing, and the playback of disks. Now if whoever wants to play Sultans in front of whatever crowd,  I think nobody can stop them...

I don't think you are correct about the rights for performing a song.  Live performances do result in royalty fees.

http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/music-royalties7.htm

Of course it does. Paul McCartney actually pays for playing The Beatles tunes on his concerts, famous story.
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 19, 2015, 12:38:11 am
It's easy for Guy to be smug about this kind of thing when he has a steady gig flying with MK in a private jet and recording in the best studio in the world.

But how does Alan Clark make a living?  He doesn't get songwriter's royalties from DS, maybe minimal producer's royalties from sales of OES?

So what does he do, drive a van? Nothing wrong with that, but a long way from Wembley.

So I don't grudge him making some cash out of this, I'm just pissed off that he's been such a dick about it.
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Knopflerfan on March 19, 2015, 07:58:47 am
Actually that's a good point Dusty, Guy is in a good position isn't he - being with MK... I'm sure it is all politics at the end of the day....
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Post by: peterromer on March 19, 2015, 08:51:23 am
It's easy for Guy to be smug about this kind of thing when he has a steady gig flying with MK in a private jet and recording in the best studio in the world.

But how does Alan Clark make a living?  He doesn't get songwriter's royalties from DS, maybe minimal producer's royalties from sales of OES?

So what does he do, drive a van? Nothing wrong with that, but a long way from Wembley.

So I don't grudge him making some cash out of this, I'm just pissed off that he's been such a dick about it.

So well said.
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Post by: straitsway75 on March 19, 2015, 09:17:40 am
It's easy for Guy to be smug about this kind of thing when he has a steady gig flying with MK in a private jet and recording in the best studio in the world.

But how does Alan Clark make a living?  He doesn't get songwriter's royalties from DS, maybe minimal producer's royalties from sales of OES?

So what does he do, drive a van? Nothing wrong with that, but a long way from Wembley.

So I don't grudge him making some cash out of this, I'm just pissed off that he's been such a dick about it.

 :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

just an reminder: Mark has always tell thanks at his musicians like Jim or Richard and I never heard any people in his band 'i must to have some credits on a song' like alan in TR.........no doubt wrong words tell about Mark, that is a Real Gentilmen in our times, I think Sting in a simply example in Money...so I like so much this song.....I like the solos.....Mark is Mark  :clap :clap :clap
Bye
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: border_reiver on March 19, 2015, 09:25:51 am
It's easy for Guy to be smug about this kind of thing when he has a steady gig flying with MK in a private jet and recording in the best studio in the world.

But how does Alan Clark make a living?  He doesn't get songwriter's royalties from DS, maybe minimal producer's royalties from sales of OES?

So what does he do, drive a van? Nothing wrong with that, but a long way from Wembley.

So I don't grudge him making some cash out of this, I'm just pissed off that he's been such a dick about it.

 :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

just an reminder: Mark has always tell thanks at his musicians like Jim or Richard and I never heard any people in his band 'i must to have some credits on a song' like alan in TR.........no doubt wrong words tell about Mark, that is a Real Gentilmen in our times, I think Sting in a simply example in Money...so I like so much this song.....I like the solos.....Mark is Mark  :clap :clap :clap
Bye

Yeah, Richard got to play a frigging cowbell on MFN during the whole tour back in 2005. Although it would be an understatement to say that it was a waste of talent - you never heard him or saw him complain about it in the press  ;D

"RB: So for MFN, should I go for the Les Paul or the Tele?"

"MK: No, this..."

(http://www.ccpercussion.eu/images/cowbells.jpg)
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Post by: Knopflerfan on March 19, 2015, 10:17:40 am
So Richard, for MFN - Strat, Les Paul or Tele...
Actually don't bother playing this track at all please..... :disbelief

Back to thread, so it is actually a 'Sig' strat that is used in this track and not a Les Paul as so many thought!!
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Post by: junkiedoll on March 19, 2015, 11:15:34 am

Back to thread, so it is actually a 'Sig' strat that is used in this track and not a Les Paul as so many thought!!

Indeed, I was wondering which effects he uses to make the strat sound like Hendrix: I assume it is the hot cake he used on last tour  :)
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Rail King on March 19, 2015, 11:58:02 am
If those tribute acts have a decent sense of humour (which I seriously doubt they have) they must have already learned the 'Terminal of Tribute' song to play it first on their concerts. Or, maaaaaaaaybe, the whole setlist with just one song, like Mark did with Rudiger. Remember that? ;D

Brilliant idea. And I foma, I'm no musician myself, but I still don't have any time for tribute bands. There's nothing wrong with strumming along to your favourite songs, of course. And there's not even something legally or morally wrong about going on tour with somebody else's songs, I think. It's just not ... cool. Poor souls.

With classical music, it's a little different - Beethoven isn't in his best shape anymore, so if we want to hear his music live, somebody else has to play and direct it. That said, I don't have much time for classical concerts, either. Not because I don't like the music (I do), but because I don't see the point in listening to something being played in the exact same way, note by note, as I could listen to it at home. If Beethoven was up there on stage, alright, there would be at least some "star" factor, but otherwise ...
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: foma on March 19, 2015, 11:58:37 am
Back to thread, I wish Mark used this picture in the booklet for that page:

(https://pp.vk.me/c624616/v624616999/26c56/GcbT5vcsKNQ.jpg)
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Knopflerfan on March 19, 2015, 12:48:08 pm

Back to thread, so it is actually a 'Sig' strat that is used in this track and not a Les Paul as so many thought!!

Indeed, I was wondering which effects he uses to make the strat sound like Hendrix: I assume it is the hot cake he used on last tour  :)

Fabulous sound isn't it....
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Rail King on March 19, 2015, 02:28:09 pm
It occurs to me that at least for this song, Mark wasn't inspired by Dylan, who once sang: "I have nothing but affection for all those who sailed with me ..."  :lol
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Nick14 on March 19, 2015, 02:38:05 pm
Or maybe he was inspired by Bob's recent Musicares speech when he rounded on many a fellow performer to slag them off!
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Slavi on March 19, 2015, 03:26:04 pm
It's easy for Guy to be smug about this kind of thing when he has a steady gig flying with MK in a private jet and recording in the best studio in the world.

But how does Alan Clark make a living?  He doesn't get songwriter's royalties from DS, maybe minimal producer's royalties from sales of OES?

So what does he do, drive a van? Nothing wrong with that, but a long way from Wembley.

So I don't grudge him making some cash out of this, I'm just pissed off that he's been such a dick about it.
Ditto...Good point Dusty! Thank you for posting it that clear.
foma, who is on this picture with such a juicy lips like Angelina Jolie?   :D  ;D ;D
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Post by: Marijo58 on March 19, 2015, 03:42:58 pm
It's easy for Guy to be smug about this kind of thing when he has a steady gig flying with MK in a private jet and recording in the best studio in the world.

But how does Alan Clark make a living?  He doesn't get songwriter's royalties from DS, maybe minimal producer's royalties from sales of OES?

So what does he do, drive a van? Nothing wrong with that, but a long way from Wembley.

So I don't grudge him making some cash out of this, I'm just pissed off that he's been such a dick about it.

So well said.

Yes I totally agree that it's much more easy to be in Guy Fletcher's shoes than in AC's ones but life is not fair, has never been and never will be!!! MK is a mighty man and he choosed GF to work with. There must be something that made him take this decision and it was a long time ago!! Must be good chemistry between them!! Too bad for Alan Clark, I admit!!! Feel also sorry for him!!! :wave
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: ingridswing on March 19, 2015, 04:04:38 pm
I only know about AC that he plays keyboards. Guy also can produce, mix ..... fix bikes etc.
So if AC doesn't have those skills I totally can imagine MK's decision. And I agree, you also need chemistry to work together for such a long time.
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Marijo58 on March 19, 2015, 04:26:50 pm
I only know about AC that he plays keyboards. Guy also can produce, mix ..... fix bikes etc.
So if AC doesn't have those skills I totally can imagine MK's decision. And I agree, you also need chemistry to work together for such a long time.

Yes Ingrid that's exactly what I mean!!! And GF is a quiet Man which is first of all what MK needs the most because even if he became less nervous than he was in the beginning, he still has a lot of temperament and personnality!!! Working with him must require a great deal of patience and diplomacy!!!  :wave
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: straitsway75 on March 19, 2015, 04:29:43 pm
hi amiters,
since Cal Mark has choose Guy..a reason is TALENT only TALENT.
Guy has always tried to innovate, to grow musically and as a producer and as an engineer, listening Tracker performs very good job. Guy has been able to understand better than any other Mark first as FRIEND and after as ARTIST I suppose. I'm sorry too for Alan, is unforgettable his contribution to the music that I love, but that's life.
I know that 'the police' and many other bands have come together to tour that brought him a lot of money as well as to have fun, Mark no. Alan had to accept that and look for other ways to continue in music. He played in almost all dIRE sTRAITS album but that great story is closed  :'( :'( :'(.

 :wave
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Marikablue on March 19, 2015, 06:21:14 pm
If I should make a top 3 of the 18 songs released, this one would be there for sure...... 8)
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: shangri la 1 on March 20, 2015, 07:00:10 am
 :-\ :-[ ::) Finished the TOTT video. Now to catch some ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ'ss  :-X
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Knopflerfan on March 20, 2015, 08:11:46 am
Looking forward to seeing the finished video!!
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Knopflerfan on March 20, 2015, 09:47:29 am
Thankyou.... ;)
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Marijo58 on March 20, 2015, 11:29:29 am
:-\ :-[ ::) Finished the TOTT video. Now to catch some ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ'ss  :-X

Thanks Shangri la, I bet it's going to be outstanding!!!  :thumbsup :wave
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Knopflerfan on March 20, 2015, 06:09:33 pm
From what I have seen you are all in for a treat...
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Dutchessy on March 21, 2015, 11:15:14 am
You should have made a video for Wherever i Go. You can win 4000 dollars!  ;D
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Post by: straitsway75 on March 21, 2015, 11:50:56 am
where i can watch this video?
tnks
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Post by: shangri la 1 on March 21, 2015, 12:50:59 pm
You should have made a video for Wherever i Go. You can win 4000 dollars!  ;D
:wave Hi Dutchessy. Yes I saw that on MK.com? I was already almost finished my take on it when this was announced. I use copyrighted material so even if I was interested in the money thing I wouldn't be eligible to enter it.
So far I have 5 songs in various stages of completion. This album has really gotten to me the way no other Mk solo album has done.
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: shangri la 1 on March 21, 2015, 12:54:24 pm
where i can watch this video?
tnks
Check your PM  ;)
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Dutchessy on March 21, 2015, 02:15:43 pm
I'm interested also
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Hugo97 on March 21, 2015, 03:23:03 pm
Would love to see the video too!
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Marijo58 on March 21, 2015, 03:59:44 pm
Would love to see the video too!

So do i, thanks.
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: wespresso on March 21, 2015, 04:39:45 pm
Well I would like to see it too! :)
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: shangri la 1 on March 21, 2015, 08:03:51 pm
  :think Please watch is you are interested ((most people I know in my age group (60+) hate music videos, but I see them as a means of introducing Mark & Guy’s masterpiece to all the younger generations)), and please don’t publish them anywhere. If they ever are allowed to be published, we want it to be sort of like an advertisement for our lovely little forum!!  :think
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Post by: Marijo58 on March 21, 2015, 10:45:02 pm
  :think Please watch is you are interested ((most people I know in my age group (60+) hate music videos, but I see them as a means of introducing Mark & Guy’s masterpiece to all the younger generations)), and please don’t publish them anywhere. If they ever are allowed to be published, we want it to be sort of like an advertisement for our lovely little forum!!  :think

Thanks Shangri la, don't worry!!! I do not share videos nor photos that are not mine!!! What you did is excellent work!!! Love them!! :thumbsup :clap :wave
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: goldenheart96 on March 22, 2015, 12:03:55 am
Well, well I don't think that we're going to have an answer to this really good question because I don't think MK will ever give a clear explanation on why he wrote this song!!!

He always gives details to any song.

I don't know why he shouldn't in this case.

We just need a journalist to ask a question.

I would LOVE to but no chance yet  ;D Anyway, I DID have the opportunity to do a little interview with John Illsley as he will be playing at this nice music club in my hometown next week. I just had to ask him about The Straits and what he thinks about fans who think tribute bands are exploiting MK's heritage and only do it for the money. Here is his answer:
"Tricky one this, there are a lot of DS fans out there who will object to antything that isn’t the real thing, they have very strong opinions. Mark and I did ask The Straits to not use the name however. There are however a huge amount of fans out there who want to hear those songs again. I think if musicians or tribute bands are playing those songs with “Respect” then I have no problem with that. I myself play the songs in various outfits but then being a founder member, for me that makes it ok. Mark has no desire to go back to those old days, I understand that too."

Very interesting that he and MK seem to have asked The Straits not to use the name...
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Marijo58 on March 22, 2015, 08:29:09 am
Thanks Goldenheart 96 for telling us what John Illsley answered you. JI is an original member with MK which means that he really got the chance to discuss seriously this matter with his former band mate!! Now regarding  these hard words he used for the lyrics, I talked to my brother yesterday about them and he said that MK must have been very hurt and betrayed by AC as they were close friends so TOTT was his way to express himself.
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: junkiedoll on March 22, 2015, 11:14:29 am
Well, the fact that MK and John asked the straits not to use this name brings an additional dimension to the song. So obviously the straits have chosen the name, knowing that Mark and John do not like it. That must have been a huge affront to MK, and TOTT is just a gentleman´s answer to that.

Very direct statement also from Guy about DS legends yesterday: "It's a free world but the deception is worrying. Bonkers."
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: dmg on March 22, 2015, 11:01:12 pm
Thanks GH96.  Interesting stuff indeed...
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Leprechaun on March 27, 2015, 08:46:13 am
Looks like that the chance for a DS gig for charity is more unprobable than ever. If it happened then with MK,JI,Pick and GF.but a dream would be the original 4 peace band with david.
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Marijo58 on March 27, 2015, 08:53:44 am
Looks like that the chance for a DS gig for charity is more unprobable than ever. If it happened then with MK,JI,Pick and GF.but a dream would be the original 4 peace band with david.

So true what you wrote. It would be so nice to see David joining MK, JI, Pick and Guy!! But It's only a dream I'm afraid...
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: shangri la 1 on March 27, 2015, 09:02:22 am
Looks like that the chance for a DS gig for charity is more unprobable than ever. If it happened then with MK,JI,Pick and GF.but a dream would be the original 4 peace band with david.

 :wave Maybe not. This bloke, who has been the inspiration for our little forum, has more than just unique guitar, vocal and writing styles. He has humility & humanity levels at a much higher dosage than most other inhabitants of this globe that we all cling to, so never say never.  ;)
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: border_reiver on March 27, 2015, 09:12:51 am
Looks like that the chance for a DS gig for charity is more unprobable than ever. If it happened then with MK,JI,Pick and GF.but a dream would be the original 4 peace band with david.

 :wave Maybe not. This bloke, who has been the inspiration for our little forum, has more than just unique guitar, vocal and writing styles. He has humility & humanity levels at a much higher dosage than most other inhabitants of this globe that we all cling to, so never say never.  ;)

And yet he appears to have been transformed into a grumpy tweed covered old man that does almost everything to kill anything that has to do with DS   :)
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Marijo58 on March 27, 2015, 09:22:02 am
Yes Shangri la, I would like to believe that a Man like him could change his mind about re forming one beautiful day DS with the 4 original members but I'm not sure that he really wants it deep inside!!! Time will tell us maybe!!
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: superval99 on March 27, 2015, 09:24:03 am
Looks like that the chance for a DS gig for charity is more unprobable than ever. If it happened then with MK,JI,Pick and GF.but a dream would be the original 4 peace band with david.

 :wave Maybe not. This bloke, who has been the inspiration for our little forum, has more than just unique guitar, vocal and writing styles. He has humility & humanity levels at a much higher dosage than most other inhabitants of this globe that we all cling to, so never say never.  ;)

And yet he appears to have been transformed into a grumpy tweed covered old man that does almost everything to kill anything that has to do with DS   :)

He wasn't anything like a grumpy old man in that video - quite the opposite, in fact!   It was a beautiful little film.    If MK wants to move away from DS, that's his choice and, personally, I'm enjoying his solo albums much more than the DS ones. Tracker is the icing on the cake!   :)
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: border_reiver on March 27, 2015, 09:30:17 am
Looks like that the chance for a DS gig for charity is more unprobable than ever. If it happened then with MK,JI,Pick and GF.but a dream would be the original 4 peace band with david.

 :wave Maybe not. This bloke, who has been the inspiration for our little forum, has more than just unique guitar, vocal and writing styles. He has humility & humanity levels at a much higher dosage than most other inhabitants of this globe that we all cling to, so never say never.  ;)

And yet he appears to have been transformed into a grumpy tweed covered old man that does almost everything to kill anything that has to do with DS   :)

He wasn't anything like a grumpy old man in that video - quite the opposite, in fact!   It was a beautiful little film.    If MK wants to move away from DS, that's his choice and, personally, I'm enjoying his solo albums much more than the DS ones. Tracker is the icing on the cake!   :)

Yes I agree. They are two different eras, and I have come to accept that, but there are still so many that haven't.
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Knopflerfan on March 27, 2015, 09:07:08 pm
I think MK has certainly mellowed over the years, and is actually quite a shy man...
Incidentally he was brilliant when I met him in September 2013, he spoke quite happily to me and shook my hand!  :clap
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: the visitor on March 28, 2015, 09:14:16 pm
Ok, so Alan has updated his site today with what he says sre his final words on the Straits affair below. He even uses the word Tribute, so I guess he has heard or heard about the song...looks like he is distancing himself from the whole thing in a way...I do like his last sentence though at the end...

"When I put together The Straits, initially to play at a charity show at the Albert hall, it was always my intention not only to play our own versions, our own arrangements of the songs from the Dire Straits catalogue, but also and most importantly, once we decded to continue and do more gigs, to add some of our own songs with a view to eventually make a record of that original material. While the majority of the band were also of that mind, a couple of the guys were against the idea, prefering to stick to performing only Dire Straits' material and, for the rest of us, doing only that, ie being in a tribute band, was not something that myself and my illustrious colleagues Steve Ferrone, Phil Palmer etc ever wanted or intended The Straits to be and, unfortunately, that's pretty much what it became. So, a year or so ago, those who want to play only the Dire Straits back catalogue formed an out-and-out tribute band and the rest of us have formed a band to play and record our own original songs. And what a band! We'll be revealing its name shortly, we've got a bunch of great original songs, we're recording in April and we'll be playing gigs in the summer. We think you'll like it; no, we think you'll love it. Watch this space.

My last words on the subject:

Putting together a band to perform the music of Dire Straits was not something I ever envisaged myself doing. But, actually, after not having played that stuff for 20 or so years, it was, certainly for a while, a lot of fun largely because of the great line-up of musicians but also and most importantly, because it was apparent from the first gig at the Albert Hall that it made lots of people who'd been starved of the music of Dire Straits for decades, very happy indeed. And that made it all worthwhile."
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: foma on March 29, 2015, 12:59:15 am
We think you'll like it; no, we think you'll love it. Watch this space.

Of course Alan, I'll buy 1000000 copies of this alone, I will love this. Actually I can't wait now and already fell in love with a nameless project from a nameless band. What a treat! Just can't wait. This is one of the things why I will never even bother to listen this. Too much words or... wrong words?
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: foma on March 29, 2015, 01:01:29 am
By the way, the 'Where your plans are forever falling through' reminds to me some of beginning words of 'Make You Feel My Love' by Bob Dylan.
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Shai on March 29, 2015, 07:30:15 am
Did anyone else besides me catch the innuendo behind Mark referring in the first line to "cabaret"? "Les Boys do cabaret, les boys are glad to be gay".

I think MK is taking a shot right there by referring to them as fags.

BTW, I have found references to other MK/DS songs in every song on this album.

   Cool.

     Saul
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Marijo58 on March 29, 2015, 07:36:40 am
Yes I did think immediately of the boys when I heard Cabaret in the song TTOT but kept it for myself!!
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Silvertown on March 29, 2015, 09:24:14 am
Did anyone else besides me catch the innuendo behind Mark referring in the first line to "cabaret"? "Les Boys do cabaret, les boys are glad to be gay".

I think MK is taking a shot right there by referring to them as fags.

I don´t think so. Mark has many times said that he can play old songs if they are meaningful for him but he don´t want these songs to became cabaret. So I think that this is it.
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 29, 2015, 09:40:27 am
Did anyone else besides me catch the innuendo behind Mark referring in the first line to "cabaret"? "Les Boys do cabaret, les boys are glad to be gay".

I think MK is taking a shot right there by referring to them as fags.

BTW, I have found references to other MK/DS songs in every song on this album.

   Cool.

     Saul

Eh, no. He's having a go because cabaret is cheesy and crap, but he's not directing homophobic abuse at them.

Alan can bugger off as far as I'm concerned. I predict his new music will disappear without trace, and I've been right about his bullshit before, check out this post from when he was still lying to people about The Straits being a one off charity thing.

http://amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?topic=1755.msg32330#msg32330
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: holaknopfler on March 29, 2015, 11:34:37 am
Did anyone else besides me catch the innuendo behind Mark referring in the first line to "cabaret"? "Les Boys do cabaret, les boys are glad to be gay".

I think MK is taking a shot right there by referring to them as fags.

BTW, I have found references to other MK/DS songs in every song on this album.

   Cool.

     Saul

Probably not and I wouldn't be happy at all with MK if it's even slightly true because that, from my own personal opinion, goes to far
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: dmg on March 29, 2015, 01:06:22 pm
Alan could rename the band Les Straits and make everyone gay, err happy!  :D 
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: yontwocrows on March 29, 2015, 02:29:37 pm
or "dire straights"
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: 3Strats on March 29, 2015, 02:48:08 pm
I don´t think so. Mark has many times said that he can play old songs if they are meaningful for him but he don´t want these songs to became cabaret. So I think that this is it.

This.  As has been said, Mark is happy to play the old songs as long as he/the band enjoy them. His reference to cabaret is intended to mean churning out the old classics when your heart isn't in it, because that's what the audience expect (in cabaret).   Just my opinion of course.
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Shai on March 29, 2015, 06:31:54 pm
HolaKnopfler wrote:

>Probably not and I wouldn't be happy at all with MK if it's even slightly true because that, from my own personal opinion, goes to far

OK, but what about MFN? True, that song was banned in Canada for a while, but most of the world didn't think twice about the "littler faggot" line.

Also, for the first time, I thought of another take on MFN. Mark always says he wrote down the song in an electronics store window front in NYC. But is it possible that the line "you get your money for nothing, your chicks for free" refers to his bandmates? Saying that they are just along with Mark for the ride?

Saul
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: LoveExpresso on March 29, 2015, 07:15:42 pm
No.

Money For Nothing is one of the "portrait songs" of Mark Knopfler and is was made clear a thousand times or so by him that it was not him who was talking in the song - the same as he is not the guy who speaks in Heavy Fuel or My Parties.. And the lines where just written down directly from what that guy commented about what he saw on the TV wall..

LE
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: holaknopfler on March 29, 2015, 07:23:42 pm
HolaKnopfler wrote:

>Probably not and I wouldn't be happy at all with MK if it's even slightly true because that, from my own personal opinion, goes to far

OK, but what about MFN? True, that song was banned in Canada for a while, but most of the world didn't think twice about the "littler faggot" line.

Also, for the first time, I thought of another take on MFN. Mark always says he wrote down the song in an electronics store window front in NYC. But is it possible that the line "you get your money for nothing, your chicks for free" refers to his bandmates? Saying that they are just along with Mark for the ride?

Saul

My comment was about the use of the word in that context:-)
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Shai on March 29, 2015, 11:32:32 pm
Love Expresso,

   I know what he has always said. I am suggesting that maybe, just maybe, he was stretching the truth a bit, and deep down, he had his bandmates in mind. I am not saying its true, but that maybe, the thought crossed his mind. If it ever had come out in 1985, that would have split the band right then and there. Just a theory.

Saul
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: holaknopfler on March 31, 2015, 06:18:12 pm
The Doc has spoken:

Dire Straits Legends
Davide
Italy
31st March 2015

Hi Guy, Marco Caviglia is declaring almost on daily basis on the Mark Knopfler Italian Forum that the Dire Straits Legends are the only tribute band in the world that is authorized by Mark Knopfler. This is a bit hard to believe and is annoying the fans. Caviglia has written also that Terminal Of Tribute To can apply to every tribute band in the world EXCEPT for the Dire Straits Legends because they are officially authorized by Mark and they have his permission to do what they are doing. In one question: is it true that Dire Straits Legends are authorized by Mark Knopfler ?   

GF: Absolutely NOT. There are NO bands 'authorised' by Mark. TOTT speaks for itself. MC is clearly delusional.
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: junkiedoll on March 31, 2015, 06:23:22 pm
The Doc has spoken:

Dire Straits Legends
Davide
Italy
31st March 2015

Hi Guy, Marco Caviglia is declaring almost on daily basis on the Mark Knopfler Italian Forum that the Dire Straits Legends are the only tribute band in the world that is authorized by Mark Knopfler. This is a bit hard to believe and is annoying the fans. Caviglia has written also that Terminal Of Tribute To can apply to every tribute band in the world EXCEPT for the Dire Straits Legends because they are officially authorized by Mark and they have his permission to do what they are doing. In one question: is it true that Dire Straits Legends are authorized by Mark Knopfler ?   

GF: Absolutely NOT. There are NO bands 'authorised' by Mark. TOTT speaks for itself. MC is clearly delusional.

As I´ve mentioned before, Guy seems have changed from ambiguous answering to very clear statements in this respect.  :thumbsup
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Throttle on March 31, 2015, 11:16:18 pm
I don't like this song.

The sound of beeping, emitted by some kind of resuscitation equipment at the very beginning, irritates me to the utmost.
And the song itself is a quite disturbing, it evokes anxiety dragging at heartstrings.
The chorus nearer to the end sounds horrible, as if they perform a funeral service.
Yes, I realize, most likely therein lies the intention of an author.
And still, in my view, that's just an overkill. 

But in spite of my uncomplimentary opinion of the song, I feel compelled to point out that this deed itself deserves the greatest respect.
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: aborille on April 02, 2015, 10:05:38 am
The Doc has spoken:

Dire Straits Legends
Davide
Italy
31st March 2015

Hi Guy, Marco Caviglia is declaring almost on daily basis on the Mark Knopfler Italian Forum that the Dire Straits Legends are the only tribute band in the world that is authorized by Mark Knopfler. This is a bit hard to believe and is annoying the fans. Caviglia has written also that Terminal Of Tribute To can apply to every tribute band in the world EXCEPT for the Dire Straits Legends because they are officially authorized by Mark and they have his permission to do what they are doing. In one question: is it true that Dire Straits Legends are authorized by Mark Knopfler ?   

GF: Absolutely NOT. There are NO bands 'authorised' by Mark. TOTT speaks for itself. MC is clearly delusional.

I admit that DS Legends behaviour annoyed me too. But in my opinion Davide's  statements are not true.
Where the hell MC is stating that DS Legend are the only authorised tribute by MK (on a daily basis, seriously?) Drop me a link, I cant' find anything like that.

It's strange for me to uphold MC, since in the past I argued with him, but we clarified then. Anyway I think it would be fair to clarify his real statements.
MC lately wrote in an italian forum something like this:

"no one of us (DSL) ever talked about a Dire Straits reunion. Things you read on the press are invented and adulterated. We asked them for a correction they never performed"

"DSL have alway talked about their concept show to celebrate Dire Straits music"

"DSL on their two tours, had original Dire Straits members in their line up: Pick and John"

Make your own evaluations.
Alessandro
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: peterromer on April 09, 2015, 10:11:25 am
There are so many hints in the lyrics of this song that I am sure you are all right what it is about. Many of his songs can have many directions dependig on the listener, but this one is clear. Yes it is rude. But for once he is "angry" and kicks back in a both lyrically and musically fashion that hits his target spot on.   
Also the intro that has similarities to an AC composion as the one "The Visitor" hints at.
 
So many good comments and also info in this thread (eg possible reference to DK in Everybody Pays that I did not know of).

TOTT is the best song on the album. Regardless of AC or anyone else. Its a hit  :D 
 
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: herlock on April 09, 2015, 10:24:40 am
There are so many hints in the lyrics of this song that I am sure you are all right what it is about. Many of his songs can have many directions dependig on the listener, but this one is clear. Yes it is rude. But for once he is "angry" and kicks back in a both lyrically and musically fashion that hits his target spot on.   
Also the intro that has similarities to an AC composion as the one "The Visitor" hints at.
 
So many good comments and also info in this thread (eg possible reference to DK in Everybody Pays that I did not know of).

TOTT is the best song on the album. Regardless of AC or anyone else. Its a hit  :D
+1
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: communique on April 09, 2015, 06:44:43 pm
Yeah, it seems pretty obvious to me that the reason the into of TOTT has that kind of creepy sound to it is because it a total shot at Alan Clark, who's most famous solo effort was the theme to the show "most haunted". Way to go MK. Good job putting AC in his place.
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Marijo58 on April 09, 2015, 07:19:09 pm
Same here even if I find Mk's words very hard towards AC which made me feel a bit bad when I heard the song the very first time, I really think that it's a masterpiece on Tracker and I can only imagine that AC deserved that because MK would perhaps never have released it on a CD if he wasn't the first offended in this matter!! I also want to believe that MK is a Man with principles!! But maybe I'm wrong about him???!!!!!!!
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: holaknopfler on April 09, 2015, 07:29:19 pm
Same here even if I find Mk's words very hard towards AC which made me feel a bit bad when I heard the song the very first time, I really think that it's a masterpiece on Tracker and I can only imagine that AC deserved that because MK would perhaps never have released it on a CD if he wasn't the first offended in this matter!! I also want to believe that MK is a Man with principles!! But maybe I'm wrong about him???!!!!!!!

He probably didn't write it in the first place if AC didn't behave this way.
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: peterromer on April 09, 2015, 07:31:49 pm
I think you are right Mojito. If MK was a man who wrote angry stuff all the time, we would not know the difference. But when he finally does, we look for answers and explanations.
I really hope we get it live. That would be brilliant. I think it was Dusty who at one point said that at a concert, AMIT´ers would be the only one knowing those "facts" and thats right. Nobody else knows or cares.
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Marijo58 on April 09, 2015, 07:38:43 pm
That exactly what I wanted to say Holaknopfler but as we don't want to be always on MK's side I wrote maybe!! But I do believe deep inside that AC started this whole mess!!

Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: binone on April 09, 2015, 09:35:00 pm
good boy  :lol
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Marijo58 on April 09, 2015, 10:07:20 pm
MK once paid a dentist with a bag full of coins because he thought the price was too high

it was in the 1990s

What a very good idea!!! I'll try this with mine next time I've an appointment with him!!! Don't think it's going to work!!! lol!!! :thumbsup
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 09, 2015, 10:35:43 pm
MK once paid a dentist with a bag full of coins because he thought the price was too high

it was in the 1990s

Don't know the facts behind this but if it's true MK was behaving like a dick.

Imagine you worked in a dentist and a millionaire rock star walked in and paid in coins. You would  say "what a dick".

To be fair, MK often seemed like a dick in the DS days, another reason why going solo was a good thing.
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: foma on April 09, 2015, 10:58:41 pm
MK once paid a dentist with a bag full of coins because he thought the price was too high

it was in the 1990s

Don't know the facts behind this but if it's true MK was behaving like a dick.

Imagine you worked in a dentist and a millionaire rock star walked in and paid in coins. You would  say "what a dick".

To be fair, MK often seemed like a dick in the DS days, another reason why going solo was a good thing.

And what if the dentist was a dick and thought ‘Hey, since he's a big star, I'm gonna take a bag of gold out of him!’.

Don't know the facts either, but paying too much for somebody's work, if you feel that it was overpriced, seems good to me even if you're millionaire.
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: border_reiver on April 15, 2015, 03:51:09 pm
Is there someone who could explain why some Italian fans go on like "Bieber-fans" (on the GF forum) about the supposed difference in tribute bands?

And why all that rage? Feels like some Italians react like they are five years old and have been candy robbed because of TOTT.

What's all the fuzz about?
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: Marijo58 on April 15, 2015, 05:50:01 pm
Is there someone who could explain why some Italian fans go on like "Bieber-fans" (on the GF forum) about the supposed difference in tribute bands?

And why all that rage? Feels like some Italians react like they are five years old and have been candy robbed because of TOTT.

What's all the fuzz about?

Hej Border_Reiver, that's the difference between Italian, French, Spannish fans and German, Norwegian, Swedish Fans!!! The more you're going South, the more there is fuzz and insults on the Net. You People from Northern Europe are taking things like that much better!!! And I prefer much more your way of behaving!! Sometimes I really wonder why I came back to France after my divorce!!!??? By the way I asked GF how he would have reacted after hearing TOTT if he was just a Fan of MK's music and he answered that he would have felt enlightned!!!!! So he knows that most of us are quite aware of what was going on with the Band when they were still  together and then when MK decided to make a solo carreer!! :wave
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: aborille on April 16, 2015, 10:08:06 am
Is there someone who could explain why some Italian fans go on like "Bieber-fans" (on the GF forum) about the supposed difference in tribute bands?

And why all that rage? Feels like some Italians react like they are five years old and have been candy robbed because of TOTT.

What's all the fuzz about?

Because:

a) DS Legends are based in Italy
b) Marco Caviglia is not considered a nice person by everybody
c) You are talking about a couple of angry guys, banned from the italian DS/MK forum ( leaded by Marco Caviglia), for their "specific" opinion about TOTT

Italians have many other different things to care of, trust me.

Alessandro
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: jbaent on April 16, 2015, 10:42:10 am
Actually this song has nothing to do with DS Legends nor Marco Caviglia...

It's about Alan Clark and The Straits.

So I don't get what´s wrong with the Italian forum.
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: ingridswing on April 16, 2015, 10:48:17 am
Actually this song has nothing to do with DS Legends nor Marco Caviglia...

It's about Alan Clark and The Straits.

So I don't get what´s wrong with the Italian forum.

Agree Jbaent, it's about Alan Clark and the Straits. Italians can overreact sometimes. Some years ago I remember we talked about some italian fans waiting all night in the hotellobby where MK and band were sleeping, just to try to catch them in the morning. Doesn't look very grown up behaviour, neither is it respecting the privacy of the band!
Title: Re: (14) Terminal of Tribute To (5:52)
Post by: border_reiver on April 16, 2015, 11:05:12 am
Is there someone who could explain why some Italian fans go on like "Bieber-fans" (on the GF forum) about the supposed difference in tribute bands?

And why all that rage? Feels like some Italians react like they are five years old and have been candy robbed because of TOTT.

What's all the fuzz about?

Because:

a) DS Legends are based in Italy
b) Marco Caviglia is not considered a nice person by everybody
c) You are talking about a couple of angry guys, banned from the italian DS/MK forum ( leaded by Marco Caviglia), for their "specific" opinion about TOTT

Italians have many other different things to care of, trust me.

Alessandro

OK, thank you for clarifying!
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Post by: aborille on April 16, 2015, 12:59:44 pm
Actually this song has nothing to do with DS Legends nor Marco Caviglia...

It's about Alan Clark and The Straits.

So I don't get what´s wrong with the Italian forum.

Because they mistakenly mixed two different matters:

1) TOTT meaning and referral (Alan Clark & the Straits)
2) Mark's approval to "the straits" and "DS Legends" projects. (He does not approve neither of them)

Alessandro
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Post by: junkiedoll on April 16, 2015, 02:00:03 pm
Actually this song has nothing to do with DS Legends nor Marco Caviglia...

It's about Alan Clark and The Straits.

So I don't get what´s wrong with the Italian forum.

Agree Jbaent, it's about Alan Clark and the Straits. Italians can overreact sometimes. Some years ago I remember we talked about some italian fans waiting all night in the hotellobby where MK and band were sleeping, just to try to catch them in the morning. Doesn't look very grown up behaviour, neither is it respecting the privacy of the band!

I agree that it is more about the Straits than DS legends; but anyhow, Guy clearly stated that it is about tribute bands in general, so I don´t see why this should have nothing to do with DS legends...? My interpretation is that MK doesn't like tribute bands in general (the 'poor souls' statement), but the Straits and AC´s behaviour were the main impetus for writing the song.
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Post by: aborille on April 16, 2015, 02:27:04 pm

I agree that it is more about the Straits than DS legends; but anyhow, Guy clearly stated that it is about tribute bands in general, so I don´t see why this should have nothing to do with DS legends...? My interpretation is that MK doesn't like tribute bands in general (the 'poor souls' statement), but the Straits and AC´s behaviour were the main impetus for writing the song.

No It's not about tribute bands in general. That's the interview:

"A few years ago, former member of Dire Straits, calling themselves the Straits, began touring, playing the old repertoire that Knopfler himself often avoids onstage. "Poor souls," Knopfler says of that band, before softening his tone. "I don't know — it's not for me."

Alessandro
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Post by: junkiedoll on April 16, 2015, 02:43:32 pm

I agree that it is more about the Straits than DS legends; but anyhow, Guy clearly stated that it is about tribute bands in general, so I don´t see why this should have nothing to do with DS legends...? My interpretation is that MK doesn't like tribute bands in general (the 'poor souls' statement), but the Straits and AC´s behaviour were the main impetus for writing the song.

No It's not about tribute bands in general. That's the interview:

"A few years ago, former member of Dire Straits, calling themselves the Straits, began touring, playing the old repertoire that Knopfler himself often avoids onstage. "Poor souls," Knopfler says of that band, before softening his tone. "I don't know — it's not for me."

Alessandro

Alessandro, Guy have stated quite often that is about tribute bands in general ("I don't see what is so confusing. They are both tribute bands." from April 6). I agree that it is mainly about the Straits, maybe also the 'poor souls' statement. But, sorry, what you think MK thinks of DS Legends...? Sure not 'happy souls' ;)
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Post by: aborille on April 16, 2015, 02:58:45 pm

Alessandro, Guy have stated quite often that is about tribute bands in general ("I don't see what is so confusing. They are both tribute bands." from April 6). I agree that it is mainly about the Straits, maybe also the 'poor souls' statement. But, sorry, what you think MK thinks of DS Legends...? Sure not 'happy souls' ;)

I understand we could have different opinion.
I think that these two bands (and only these two bands) behave very different compared with tribute bands "in general".

As I said before, there are two matters we often mix. But they are quite different:

1) TOTT meaning and referral (Alan Clark & the Straits)
2) Mark's approval to "the straits" and "DS Legends" projects. (He does not approve neither of them)

Mark opinion about these two bands, has nothing to do with tribute bands in general. IMHO.


Alessandro
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Post by: jbaent on April 16, 2015, 03:03:15 pm

Alessandro, Guy have stated quite often that is about tribute bands in general ("I don't see what is so confusing. They are both tribute bands." from April 6). I agree that it is mainly about the Straits, maybe also the 'poor souls' statement. But, sorry, what you think MK thinks of DS Legends...? Sure not 'happy souls' ;)

I understand we could have different opinion.
I think that these two bands (and only these two bands) behave very different compared with tribute bands "in general".

Alessandro

Yes, even it was Alan Clark statements when being interviewd about The Straits what made MK feel upset with it. MK doesn´t mind about the DS Legends, if he did, John Illsley, who is still MK's best friend wouldnt had played with them.

MK is Ok with all the tribute bands, but he doesn´t aprove any of them, as it´s not needed, as long as they pay the fees (and they do) it is ok and legal.
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Post by: Marijo58 on April 16, 2015, 10:19:01 pm

Alessandro, Guy have stated quite often that is about tribute bands in general ("I don't see what is so confusing. They are both tribute bands." from April 6). I agree that it is mainly about the Straits, maybe also the 'poor souls' statement. But, sorry, what you think MK thinks of DS Legends...? Sure not 'happy souls' ;)

I understand we could have different opinion.
I think that these two bands (and only these two bands) behave very different compared with tribute bands "in general".

Alessandro

Yes, even it was Alan Clark statements when being interviewd about The Straits what made MK feel upset with it. MK doesn´t mind about the DS Legends, if he did, John Illsley, who is still MK's best friend wouldnt had played with them.

MK is Ok with all the tribute bands, but he doesn´t aprove any of them, as it´s not needed, as long as they pay the fees (and they do) it is ok and legal.

I think that as I said it before we'll NEVER know what went on between AC and MK but as far I can see when I listened to the very hard words he used in TOTT such as "you never made it and you never will" makes me feel that this is the reaction of a very angry MK who may have exchanged very nasty conversations with AC in the past!!! The problem now is was it necessary to make this public because some Fans of MK and tribute bands of DS took  it as if they were concerned which is according to me the wrong way!!! I believe that it's a private matter
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Post by: Marijo58 on April 16, 2015, 10:31:51 pm

Alessandro, Guy have stated quite often that is about tribute bands in general ("I don't see what is so confusing. They are both tribute bands." from April 6). I agree that it is mainly about the Straits, maybe also the 'poor souls' statement. But, sorry, what you think MK thinks of DS Legends...? Sure not 'happy souls' ;)

I understand we could have different opinion.
I think that these two bands (and only these two bands) behave very different compared with tribute bands "in general".

Alessandro

Yes, even it was Alan Clark statements when being interviewd about The Straits what made MK feel upset with it. MK doesn´t mind about the DS Legends, if he did, John Illsley, who is still MK's best friend wouldnt had played with them.

MK is Ok with all the tribute bands, but he doesn´t aprove any of them, as it´s not needed, as long as they pay the fees (and they do) it is ok and legal.

I think that as I said it before we'll NEVER know what went on between AC and MK but as far I can see when I listened to the very hard words he used in TOTT such as "you never made it and you never will" it makes me feel that this is the reaction of a very angry MK who may have exchanged very nasty conversations with AC in the past!!! The question now is, was it really necessary to make this public because some Fans of MK and Tribute Bands of DS took  it as if they were concerned which is according to me very wrong!!! I deeply believe that it's a private unfinished business between the 2 parts!!! Finally you're right Jbaent when you said that even if he doesn't approve them, MK is ok with tribute bands as long as they're paying the fees!!
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Post by: Shai on April 16, 2015, 11:54:54 pm
"No original members".

Not according to this article about Chris White!! LOL.

BTW, they have another new name; The Dire Straits Experience!

http://www.fifetoday.co.uk/what-s-on/leisure-time/still-strait-down-the-line-1-3745284

Saul

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Post by: border_reiver on April 17, 2015, 07:40:24 am
That dead horse is sure beaten up by now! :disbelief
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Post by: superval99 on April 17, 2015, 08:51:05 am
"No original members".

Not according to this article about Chris White!! LOL.

There were only four original members and Chris White was not one of them! 
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Post by: jbaent on April 17, 2015, 09:01:11 am
"No original members".

Not according to this article about Chris White!! LOL.

There were only four original members and Chris White was not one of them!

That`s the truth...

Even we consider Alan as a member because he was in the band from the 80's and helped a lot to the musical development of the band, changing into a rock and roll stadiums band, he was hired from the very beguining. Same goes with Guy Fletcher, he was hired from the start, and he´s still hired althought he is always with MK in everything he does.

DS started as a band of four people, when David and Pick left, only two members remained,and the rest were always hired musicians, despite what the OES booklet says.
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Post by: ingridswing on April 17, 2015, 09:48:25 am
Dire Straits is indeed 4 original members as said by Jbaent. Only John and Mark played together till the end of DS.
All songs (music and lyric) written by MK. So what is DS? DS=MK not more not less in my opinion.

And Chris White isn't an original member indeed. Phil Palmer said to me what he was in DS: "A wonderful band and the genius of MK in which it was my privilege to be involved with for a short period." That's true, that's realistic. All other claims are pathetic.

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Post by: border_reiver on April 17, 2015, 10:47:35 am
Poor soul...  ;D
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Post by: jbaent on April 17, 2015, 11:07:10 am
At least, when Alan was involved in The Straits, his site said that Chris was "formerly DS sax player", nothing about an original member  ;D
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Post by: ingridswing on April 17, 2015, 11:09:46 am
At least, when Alan was involved in The Straits, his site said that Chris was "formerly DS sax player", nothing about an original member  ;D

And that's true, there's no problem with them spreading out they worked with MK. They did, they are proud of it, and they have to make a living too. So advertising you played with MK and ... and ... is totally ok.
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Post by: Knopflerfan on April 17, 2015, 08:16:59 pm
Think it's more the fact that it say's he was an original member - 'member' being the word I reckon!!

I seriously don't know why CW cannot move on perhaps with his own material or perhaps he hasn't got any??!!
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Post by: Marijo58 on April 17, 2015, 10:56:54 pm
And I think that now this matter is going out of proportion!!! What I understand is that AC, CW and co have nothing else than the Dire Straits Experiment to work with and that's what is their big problem!!! I haven't seen their live shows before, only what was posted on YouTube. Some songs were ok but it's not the same feeling than with MK and it never will be specially when their new Frontman, sorry I can never remember his name, sang TOL!! The same goes for JI,original member, when he's singing R&J or Private Investigations!!! Even if they say that the DS Audience wants to hear the songs MK doesn't wish anymore to perform, nothing can be compared with what they did 22 years ago and the past is the past. Time to move on!!! And I believe that's what MK wants mainly to say in TOTT!!! :wave
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Post by: Slavi on April 17, 2015, 11:31:33 pm
Think it's more the fact that it say's he was an original member - 'member' being the word I reckon!!

I seriously don't know why CW cannot move on perhaps with his own material or perhaps he hasn't got any??!!

He has 2 solo albums and some new material. I don't know why really he do not record it, but I can guess...I'm not sure you can sell a sax album nowadays in the situation the musical industry is at the moment. And he is a session musician, playing and touring for others. There are not many saxophon players in the world touring with a sax music- in fact I can recall David Sanborn only. ( Kenny G, not a serious thing). So not so much options for CW...
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Post by: Stanko on May 21, 2015, 10:14:04 pm
It takes time to read the whole thread... lol :smack
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Post by: shangri la 1 on May 21, 2015, 11:04:14 pm
It takes time to read the whole thread... lol :smack
Check your PM - Long Cool Girl (ending 3), and Silver Eagle also included!
 :wave


SL1
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Post by: Stanko on May 23, 2015, 08:54:25 pm
 :thumbsup for videos!

...when I listen to the intro notes I can imagine the huge terminal and a men standing there alone, no one is there, buses are not coming, and it's raining...
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Post by: shangri la 1 on May 24, 2015, 07:24:03 am
Thanks Stanko,
Yes this song is one which evokes all sorts of images and emotions. Mark hasn't held back in his thoughts about these guys using his pet name for the band, as their band name, IMHO.
Yes the airport terminal scenes are all included to highlight my interpretations of what the lyrics are saying. I had intended to have all verses in monochrome, but decided to offer an olive branch to the guys in verse 3.
 :wave
SL1
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Post by: foma on May 24, 2015, 09:27:51 pm
Still waiting patiently any tribute act to play this song.
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Post by: Marijo58 on May 24, 2015, 10:01:22 pm
The Dire Straits Legends have officially changed their name
into 'Celebrating the music of Dire Straits'

I guess this song might have something to do with it.

They will play a couple of shows in Italy at the end of June
http://www.ticketone.it/tickets.html?affiliate=ITT&doc=artistPages%2Ftickets&fun=artist&action=tickets&erid=1401587&includeOnlybookable=false&xtmc=Dire_Straits&xtnp=1&xtcr=1

You can see the trailer here
 A5RGxujQgCc

Thanks Pensaboy!!! Very interesting news!!! Now there is indeed an original Member in this Tribute Band!! Wonder what MK is thinking about that??? :wave
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Post by: Barzofarhyme on May 28, 2015, 01:41:41 pm
Still waiting patiently any tribute act to play this song.

I'm off to watch "Money for Nothing" this Friday. I'll have to see if i can request it! ;D ;D
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Post by: JF on January 04, 2016, 01:42:10 pm
I heard again "because the night" last week, and the piano intro made me think immediately to the keyboard intro of TOTT :

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xACZHv-sLCg
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Post by: Lis on January 06, 2016, 12:30:23 am
Good pull on that, JF!  ... Definitely similar!
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Post by: jeffreyvr on July 11, 2018, 03:04:03 pm
I kind of feel stupid for asking, but I just can't make out what exactly is being sung at the end of the song (in the outro part). Does anyone know that?
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Post by: Dutchessy on July 11, 2018, 03:31:38 pm
I kind of feel stupid for asking, but I just can't make out what exactly is being sung at the end of the song (in the outro part). Does anyone know that?

terminal of tribute to

Not a stupid question, it's hard to hear  :)
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Post by: jeffreyvr on July 11, 2018, 05:05:05 pm
Ouch, painful... :-P

But believe me, I always that it was a variation on it.
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Post by: happy to be here on December 02, 2019, 11:30:24 pm
Gray hair and Fenders??
How about:  Gray-haired offenders!
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Post by: dustyvalentino on March 18, 2022, 03:56:01 pm
Just listened to this for the first time in ages.

Holy shit, it's absolutely brutal. MK must have been so pissed off.
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Post by: quizzaciously on March 18, 2022, 04:05:20 pm
Just listened to this for the first time in ages.

Holy shit, it's absolutely brutal. MK must have been so pissed off.

Oh yeeeeeeah! "Your plans are forever falling through", "And your dreams are movies never shot", "And you’re someone, a shadow passing through", "Nobody ever knew, so nobody forgot". These words could kill a person!
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Post by: dustyvalentino on March 18, 2022, 04:50:27 pm
A chip on both your shoulders!
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Post by: jbaent on March 19, 2022, 09:00:52 am
Rear view mirror sounds to me like a second part.
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Post by: Robson on March 19, 2022, 02:01:36 pm
I always regret that during the interviews, when the album is released, none of the journalists does tries, does not dare to ask, for example, about this song. What the author had in mind.
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Post by: quizzaciously on March 19, 2022, 09:23:43 pm
I always regret that during the interviews, when the album is released, none of the journalists does tries, does not dare to ask, for example, about this song. What the author had in mind.

Yes, but Mark has thought of that and deliberately put this track as a bonus track, so nobody will ever know this song exists, so nobody will forget it! :lol
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Post by: Robson on March 19, 2022, 09:30:39 pm
It is true. But I always thought that the role of a journalist is to be inquisitive, searching ... But I'm naive.
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Post by: Stanko on March 27, 2022, 08:53:47 pm
I always listen to all the songs.
It hardly passes a year I didn't go through all the songs, dire straits, movie scores and solo, all the stuff