A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Almost Straits => Topic started by: jbaent on July 03, 2015, 08:48:05 PM
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You are not going to hear a better Telegraph, unless you are listening to the own MK...
It is really fantastic, really.
http://youtu.be/GK14IEEPlkA (http://youtu.be/GK14IEEPlkA)
They are Brothers in Band, that Spanish cover band that Guy, MK and everybody else heard rehearsing outside the venue in Atarfe 2008 and they thought it was a recording of Mk. Yes, they are that good.
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Nice idea to have the sax make an appearance where the karaoke mode would normally be. This should be introduced into MK shows with Nigel just like Chris used to play his solo on the OES tour. It's second to Mark actually joining in and means the song has some cohesion.
This sounds great BTW.
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I saw Brothers In Band three times and in some of the songs they sound even more Knopfleresque than MK himself, specially in some DS songs, as they keep the DS spirit alive and strong, while MK insists in add citterns, whistles, pipes and karaoke gaps everywhere, killing the real spirit of the songs...
For me, this TR is almost better than the one that MK plays nowadays, taking into account that this is a tribute band, and The Dullards are proffesional session musicians with MK ;D
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If I'm not mistaken this version tries to replicate the OES tour version (with the intro added), so it does not only add sax but pedal steel as well. Talking about "useless" instruments, this one sounds as useless to me as a cittern on TR !
Also the end solo is nice for amateurs but is a far cry from MK'solos IMHO, even today's - let alone the out-of-this-world one from the OES tour !
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Sorry, I find this just about the dullest version of TR that I have heard! The sax, soprano I believe, which was played after "like a rolling river" was very weak and sounded out of tune at times! The singer's voice was also very weak and it was very hard to hear any of the words. The guitar outro was OK, but I have heard better versions than this one! If I had to choose, I wouldn't listen to it as an alternative to any of the MK/DS versions.
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Wonderful indeed!!! Thanks for sharing!!! A great Band!!!
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Sorry, I find this just about the dullest version of TR that I have heard! The sax, soprano I believe, which was played after "like a rolling river" was very weak and sounded out of tune at times! The singer's voice was also very weak and it was very hard to hear any of the words. The guitar outro was OK, but I have heard better versions than this one! If I had to choose, I wouldn't listen to it as an alternative to any of the MK/DS versions.
Can you make out what Mark is saying when he sings, em "speaks" TR these days? ;)
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Sorry, I find this just about the dullest version of TR that I have heard! The sax, soprano I believe, which was played after "like a rolling river" was very weak and sounded out of tune at times! The singer's voice was also very weak and it was very hard to hear any of the words. The guitar outro was OK, but I have heard better versions than this one! If I had to choose, I wouldn't listen to it as an alternative to any of the MK/DS versions.
Can you make out what Mark is saying when he sings, em "speaks" TR these days? ;)
Dmg, I thought you were not a fan of OES tour TR arrangements ? This one is taking the worst of OES (sax and pedal steel) without the best (jar-dropping end solo), just adding the intro as a good point... How can you possibly like this ? :/ I agree with Val actually.
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Sorry, I find this just about the dullest version of TR that I have heard! The sax, soprano I believe, which was played after "like a rolling river" was very weak and sounded out of tune at times! The singer's voice was also very weak and it was very hard to hear any of the words. The guitar outro was OK, but I have heard better versions than this one! If I had to choose, I wouldn't listen to it as an alternative to any of the MK/DS versions.
Can you make out what Mark is saying when he sings, em "speaks" TR these days? ;)
Dmg, I thought you were not a fan of OES tour TR arrangements ? This one is taking the worst of OES (sax and pedal steel) without the best (jar-dropping end solo), just adding the intro as a good point... How can you possibly like this ? :/ I agree with Val actually.
There are elements of it I like (for a tribute band). I also think that if Mark wants to persist with the karaoke mode now, then I would rather reintroduce the sax break at that point then we'd at least have something. I find it interesting that a tribute band has noticed this "empty space" yet Mark hasn't.
BTW you're correct in that I don't like the OES versions.
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Sorry, I find this just about the dullest version of TR that I have heard! The sax, soprano I believe, which was played after "like a rolling river" was very weak and sounded out of tune at times! The singer's voice was also very weak and it was very hard to hear any of the words. The guitar outro was OK, but I have heard better versions than this one! If I had to choose, I wouldn't listen to it as an alternative to any of the MK/DS versions.
Can you make out what Mark is saying when he sings, em "speaks" TR these days? ;)
Dmg, I thought you were not a fan of OES tour TR arrangements ? This one is taking the worst of OES (sax and pedal steel) without the best (jar-dropping end solo), just adding the intro as a good point... How can you possibly like this ? :/ I agree with Val actually.
There are elements of it I like (for a tribute band). I also think that if Mark wants to persist with the karaoke mode now, then I would rather reintroduce the sax break at that point then we'd at least have something. I find it interesting that a tribute band has noticed this "empty space" yet Mark hasn't.
BTW you're correct in that I don't like the OES versions.
Still you prefer the Pensa sound over the strat one right ? I like the Pensa sound but I also think that the strong strat one is great on Alchemy. But for TOL it is the opposite, I think you like the strat better than the Pensa ? :)
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There are elements of it I like (for a tribute band). I also think that if Mark wants to persist with the karaoke mode now, then I would rather reintroduce the sax break at that point then we'd at least have something. I find it interesting that a tribute band has noticed this "empty space" yet Mark hasn't.
BTW you're correct in that I don't like the OES versions.
Still you prefer the Pensa sound over the strat one right ? I like the Pensa sound but I also think that the strong strat one is great on Alchemy. But for TOL it is the opposite, I think you like the strat better than the Pensa ? :)
I prefer the Pensa sound on TR from '96 onwards. Strat sound on Alchemy was good but that was THE Schecter sunburst guitar, wasn't it. Fender Strat sounder poor in 2005 IMHO.
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There are elements of it I like (for a tribute band). I also think that if Mark wants to persist with the karaoke mode now, then I would rather reintroduce the sax break at that point then we'd at least have something. I find it interesting that a tribute band has noticed this "empty space" yet Mark hasn't.
BTW you're correct in that I don't like the OES versions.
Still you prefer the Pensa sound over the strat one right ? I like the Pensa sound but I also think that the strong strat one is great on Alchemy. But for TOL it is the opposite, I think you like the strat better than the Pensa ? :)
I prefer the Pensa sound on TR from '96 onwards. Strat sound on Alchemy was good but that was THE Schecter sunburst guitar, wasn't it. Fender Strat sounder poor in 2005 IMHO.
I see what you mean
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Brothers in band guitarist and singer wants to thank you by your critics, it helps him to improve.
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Brothers in band guitarist and singer wants to thank you by your critics, it helps him to improve.
The critics would probably have been much softer, had this version presented for what it is - a version that is truly nice for a tribute band - rather than what it is not -
("Better than MK"), which is a strong statement than can only trigger strong reactions...
This being said, congrats for the effort, truly, I know it is very hard to try to replicate such a mighty song, and the result is respectable !
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Any musician who wants to improve would show him playing the most challenging songs, the easy ones have very little to improve... That's why many of us dislike MK choice of songs :lol
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I prefer the Pensa sound on TR from '96 onwards. Strat sound on Alchemy was good but that was THE Schecter sunburst guitar, wasn't it. Fender Strat sounder poor in 2005 IMHO.
technically, the pensa sound si closer to the strat one, because in both case it has got single coils PU in middle and neck position (Mark play TR with the middle+neck postion since 92) while the schecter has got Tapped PU (more info here : http://www.mk-guitar.com/2011/01/10/inside-the-schecter-f500t-pick-up-what-is-a-tapped-pick-up/ (http://www.mk-guitar.com/2011/01/10/inside-the-schecter-f500t-pick-up-what-is-a-tapped-pick-up/))
it means that the shecter has a fater, thicker sound, while the strat and the pensa have more a thinner sound more "hollow" so to say.
Of course his overall tone depends on many others parameters, mainly the amp (mesa boogie in 82-83, soldano in 96 and 01, Reinhard/Komet since 2005) or eventually effects
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I prefer the Pensa sound on TR from '96 onwards. Strat sound on Alchemy was good but that was THE Schecter sunburst guitar, wasn't it. Fender Strat sounder poor in 2005 IMHO.
technically, the pensa sound si closer to the strat one, because in both case it has got single coils PU in middle and neck position (Mark play TR with the middle+neck postion since 92) while the schecter has got Tapped PU (more info here : http://www.mk-guitar.com/2011/01/10/inside-the-schecter-f500t-pick-up-what-is-a-tapped-pick-up/ (http://www.mk-guitar.com/2011/01/10/inside-the-schecter-f500t-pick-up-what-is-a-tapped-pick-up/))
it means that the shecter has a fater, thicker sound, while the strat and the pensa have more a thinner sound more "hollow" so to say.
Of course his overall tone depends on many others parameters, mainly the amp (mesa boogie in 82-83, soldano in 96 and 01, Reinhard/Komet since 2005) or eventually effects
Interesting JF ! and which sound do you prefer ? :)
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Very interesting indeed. I would say the thickest sound is from the 2005 Strat and that's one of the reasons I'm not fond of it (the other being the overall tone). As you say though, probably the Komet amp at play here.
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I don´t mind about the guitar used, I mind about the attitude.
I don´t like the OES versions because of the prominence of pedal steel and sax, but compared with the boring citterns and karaoke piano nowadays, that was heaven!
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Interesting JF ! and which sound do you prefer ? :)
usually I am more into Fender tones, but in this case I prefer the Alchemy one.
Although I like very much 96 versions, Alchemy and studio versions will stand as my favorites, because of playing and singing
I like very much the studio version because it has this atmosphere at the beginning, almost kind of orchestra with strings whcih seems to "envelop" all the sound spectrum, and you can never achieve this live.
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Very interesting indeed. I would say the thickest sound is from the 2005 Strat and that's one of the reasons I'm not fond of it (the other being the overall tone). As you say though, probably the Komet amp at play here.
I was in Lyon 2005. He played TR on the sig strat
I am not sure if he used middle+neck or middle+bridge. too difficult to see on the video, but soundwsie it seems neck+middle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv2k4mQTK30 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv2k4mQTK30)
But indeed, the thicker sound came from the komet amp
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Interesting JF ! and which sound do you prefer ? :)
usually I am more into Fender tones, but in this case I prefer the Alchemy one.
Although I like very much 96 versions, Alchemy and studio versions will stand as my favorites, because of playing and singing
I like very much the studio version because it has this atmosphere at the beginning, almost kind of orchestra with strings whcih seems to "envelop" all the sound spectrum, and you can never achieve this live.
oh and I forgot that I like very much 81 versions : neck PU on the schecter black Tele, and with a little more delay tha usual
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For a tribute band, and not the "real thing", they are trully awesome.
After checking their rendition of TR,I went to listen to Single Handed Sailor and, as jbaent said, they seem to search for the "spirit" of DS music while trying to emulate the sing itself.