A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Banjo99uk on July 28, 2015, 09:46:15 PM
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So DK is crowd funding his next album. Some pretty nice stuff he's giving away if you can afford it and you're a fan of his. Can't say I'm massively bothered but have enjoyed some of his stuff.
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So DK is crowd funding his next album. Some pretty nice stuff he's giving away if you can afford it and you're a fan of his. Can't say I'm massively bothered but have enjoyed some of his stuff.
Yes I saw the post on Twitter!!! I must say that I was very surprised that he had to raise fund for making his next album!! I like some songs but I have no money to give for this kind of business!!! Hope he'll find what he needs!!! Thanks Banjo99uk!!! :wave
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MK should grant him some studio time at BGS. That would a be a friendly gesture. But that won't happen, I suppose.
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MK should grant him some studio time at BGS. That would a be a friendly gesture. But that won't happen, I suppose.
I think the same than you Justme!! It's not going to happen but I wish MK would do that for his Brother!!
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What's the working title, "Money for nothing"? ;D
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Playing on the album would actually be cool, if one had nothing else to spend 2500 dollars on.
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my idea posted some months of a private AMIT gig by Mark is actually being offered by David ::)
No kidding Pensa !! David knows that it will work and that Fans are ready to pay big money for such an event!!
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Why don't we all club together on here for a private gig?
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Why don't we all club together on here for a private gig?
Count me out of that! When I saw him last February his songs all sounded the same - bland and boring and he talked too much! :disbelief
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David seems to have artistic hard times so if people are interested to put money for his next record good for them.
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Why don't we all club together on here for a private gig?
Count me out of that! When I saw him last February his songs all sounded the same - bland and boring and he talked too much! :disbelief
Me as well but it's because I don't want to put so much money in a private gig, I can't afford it!! Val I remember that you said so before and I understand your reasons!! :wave
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Why don't we all club together on here for a private gig?
Count me out of that! When I saw him last February his songs all sounded the same - bland and boring and he talked too much! :disbelief
Val, did you see him this year and was this gig one of the Grace Tour ? I ask because in October will be a gig near my home and I am considering to attend it. But now ... I feel uneasy.
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Why don't we all club together on here for a private gig?
Count me out of that! When I saw him last February his songs all sounded the same - bland and boring and he talked too much! :disbelief
Val, did you see him this year and was this gig one of the Grace Tour ? I ask because in October will be a gig near my home and I am considering to attend it. But now ... I feel uneasy.
Hi joko! Yes, it was this year, April actually, not February as I said before, but please don't let me put you off going to see him, it was just my opinion and you may love it! I found the songs quite pleasant, but very samey and bland and I would say that the song he sang on the video, Nickels and Dimes, was fairly representative of most of the songs. However I enjoyed Harry Bogdanovs guitar work very much! :)
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Why don't we all club together on here for a private gig?
Count me out of that! When I saw him last February his songs all sounded the same - bland and boring and he talked too much! :disbelief
Val, did you see him this year and was this gig one of the Grace Tour ? I ask because in October will be a gig near my home and I am considering to attend it. But now ... I feel uneasy.
Hi joko! Yes, it was this year, March actually, not February as I said before, but please don't let me put you off going to see him, it was just my opinion and you may love it! I found the songs quite pleasant, but very samey and bland and I would say that the song he sang on the video, Nickels and Dimes, was fairly representative of most of the songs. However I enjoyed Harry Bogdanovs guitar work very much! :)
Thanks Val! Where was the gig in March ? I could not find one on the Tour Dates of DK. I think I'll wait for the first gigs in Germany and hope there will be some reviews. So I'll decide later ...
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Why don't we all club together on here for a private gig?
Count me out of that! When I saw him last February his songs all sounded the same - bland and boring and he talked too much! :disbelief
Val, did you see him this year and was this gig one of the Grace Tour ? I ask because in October will be a gig near my home and I am considering to attend it. But now ... I feel uneasy.
Hi joko! Yes, it was this year, March actually, not February as I said before, but please don't let me put you off going to see him, it was just my opinion and you may love it! I found the songs quite pleasant, but very samey and bland and I would say that the song he sang on the video, Nickels and Dimes, was fairly representative of most of the songs. However I enjoyed Harry Bogdanovs guitar work very much! :)
Thanks Val! Where was the gig in March ? I could not find one on the Tour Dates of DK. I think I'll wait for the first gigs in Germany and hope there will be some reviews. So I'll decide later ...
It was at The Courthouse in Otley - just 4 miles from where I live. There were about 150 people in the audience, including Steve Phillips and family and most seemed to be big fans of DK.
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I saw David's debut LP 'release' at the local market this weekend. Didn't buy it though. Does it 'sound' any good? I've only heard Madonnas Daughter on yt and can't say that I'm too inpressed !
Just wondering if I should go and buy it, the vinyl looked on very good condition, like it was hardly played :)
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IMO DK's music is quite lame, but it can be nice to own a record or two of him because he is MK's brother and an important part of music history.
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His work from the early 90s onwards is quite good. He's not as musically developed as Mark, but I think his lyrics are more philosophical/political/deeper than Mark's (too me many of Mark's songs read like Cliff Notes of famous novels ...). What really bugs me about David is his voice. He's trying too hard to sound gruff and rough. Like those Dire Straits tribute bands that try to copy Mark's voice - ugh.
Harry Bogdanov is an excellent guitarist, though.
Edit: I'm listening to the album Small Mercies right now on Spotify. I like it. Good songs and arrangements. Not so guitar heavy as Mark's stuff, but that's not always a bad thing. His voice is not as bad as I remembered actually.
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I saw David's debut LP 'release' at the local market this weekend. Didn't buy it though. Does it 'sound' any good? I've only heard Madonnas Daughter on yt and can't say that I'm too inpressed !
Just wondering if I should go and buy it, the vinyl looked on very good condition, like it was hardly played :)
As I recall on the vid I've seen on YouTube of The 1984 San Remo Festival MK didn't seem to be very serious during DK's performance of Madonna's Daughter!!! And he was on stage with his Brother playing guitar!!! He didn't seem to appreciate the song as he was joking,I think, with the other musicians!!! Or am I wrong?? You may have discussed this before??
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DK's best albums are from 1993 to today more or less, being "The Giver" the first one that it´s really good. I also love "Small Mercies", "Wishbones" and "Ship Of Dreams".
You can help funding his next record just paying for it in advance, you don´t need to pay high amounts of money, actually I can´t, but pay for the cd, yes, I can.
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DK just put on facebook that he intends to record Bernadette to inspire his crowd funding needs.
With home-recording so affordable these days I really wonder I poor David is aiming way above his market.. if he did a bunch of home demos he's just as likely to sell as many (or as little.)
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Dk explains it in the crowfunding site:
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/david-knopfler-new-album-the-grace-project#/story (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/david-knopfler-new-album-the-grace-project#/story)
Historically, like many of my fellow singer-songwriters (who have avoided the mainstream and who work independently in the margins) we used to pay for our recordings through a network of international record deals with both Indie and Major record labels. As most people know, with the advent of the Internet and digital media those kinds of arrangement are as good as obsolete.
Too many records these days are banged out from back bedrooms without due regard to quality. Those of you who know my work will know only too keenly that I don’t work that way. I like to make personal, handmade records with great attention to both craft and art at each and every stage of the process, from writing to recording and mastering, to artwork and pressing. I work with sympatico artisans, each who are masters of their own craft and all with inordinate attention to detail… essentially, those who have dedicated their lives to music over wealth.
Harry Bogdanovs and I have been working on the album here in England off and on now for some time, either polishing tracks I began in Geneseo or originating tracks here ourselves, and I’m very excited about the wonderful work we’ve been producing together so far, and particularly about those songs we are planning to begin work on with other band musicians.
I think it’s going to easily be my best studio album to date, but that can only happen to the highest standards if I have sufficient funds to hire the most appropriate players for my songs and to capture the magic and spirit of what we are capable of creating together in a professional studio. Working with diligence, passion and patience, it’s my sincere belief that together, with YOUR help, we can deliver a combination of special tracks, each with exactly the right instrumentation and production they need to give breadth to these songs and to give YOU the best possible listening experience when you hear the results.
I'm asking for $75,000 dollars as a reasonable budget to make the record but if we manage to exceed that amount, don't worry, we plan to use it on additional instrumentation and other trimmings. I've been known to hire whole orchestras before... Spending a recording budget is remarkably easy!
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DK just put on facebook that he intends to record Bernadette to inspire his crowd funding needs.
With home-recording so affordable these days I really wonder I poor David is aiming way above his market.. if he did a bunch of home demos he's just as likely to sell as many (or as little.)
Yes, 75k is totally nuts
Why?
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I saw David's debut LP 'release' at the local market this weekend. Didn't buy it though. Does it 'sound' any good? I've only heard Madonnas Daughter on yt and can't say that I'm too inpressed !
Just wondering if I should go and buy it, the vinyl looked on very good condition, like it was hardly played :)
I did and i never felt sorry , but that includes all his albums.
It has a nice orchestral feel number of tracks and a great voice.
last but least some nice subtle guitar playing.
Maybe this samples work for you deciding to buy or not to buy.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Release-David-Knopfler/dp/B002GS4RSK
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Yeah I'll go get it next time I'm there, hopefully it's still lying around... :)
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Whatever he can obtain, it´s money of his own he has not to pay to record his cd.
I always wondered how he managed to record his last cds so nicely, with great musicians in nice studios with his sales, that are not of course sales of a big star... you can read big studio names and some familiar to us like Pino Palladino, Phil Palmer, B.J.Cole, Chris White, Alan Clark, Eddi Reader, Chris Rea etc etc
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His records sound like somebody doing a bad DS impersonation. Nothing against him but I agree that 75k is nuts in this day and age. You can literally make a good record in your bedroom.
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I would not laugh at him as he is an artist desperately trying to get money for his record.
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why can't he get a job like everyone else or go on Dragons Den.This is both pathetic and sad.I won't be investing.I'm out
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The more I know about David, the more I respect Mark.
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I would not laugh at him as he is an artist desperately trying to get money for his record.
Once I contacted him and and his replies were extremely rude.
If I think his way of getting money is laughable, I will laugh.
That is pretty sad to be honest. These guys don't seem to know that we have a different time nowadays. As a non-major-record artist you have to be nice to every customer. There is no room for diva behaviour, unless you are Robbie Williams, for example.
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I don´t think that is sad that David has to sell his platinum DS prize to fund his next album, I think it´s a question of what you value the most, to make a new record, or to have a prize hanging in your wall or getting dust somewhere...
We should respect that any artist, David Knopfler or John Doe decides to go crowfunding to make a record, nowdays is more difficult to get investment for it, and I truly respect that David wants to continue recording in a high quality way, instead of doing it in his own bedrom with a computer, that can sound well, but it´s not the same for a musician that had worked in recording studios all his life and still wants to deliver his music in that quality.
I respect that, and I respect his choice. Some of the perks he has looks pretty dumb for me, but who knows... the fact that I don´t like them doesn´t mean anything except I don´t like them.
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I am with jbaent on that. We are talking about art.
If only nice chaps deserved to produce costly album then a lot of masterpieces would never had been produced.
I won't fund him only because I am not interested by his music (and I am not rich enough to buy his genuine platinum award).
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As long as I will buy his next cd, because I like his music, I fund him paying his cd "in advance", it makes sense to me, I don´t mind if I pay for it before or after.
In my opinion, his last records are good, and, do you remember how MK changed his music style in 2002 when he released "The Ragpickers Dream", well, David was doing a very similar kind of music in 1993 with his cd "The Giver", and continued that way with "Small Mercies", both great records in my opinion, specially the last one.
From that moments, all his cds have a similar music quality and follows his own path, same way that MK did after "Ragpickers".
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In Mark's case RPD is the first solo album without input from Ed so RPD can be considered as his real first solo album.
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https://youtu.be/YTM509pWFZ4
I have most of his albums ( missed his latest live, small mercies and songs for the siren, hopefully will get them in time) since the very beginning, and I have enjoyed them, some more than others. There have been major changes in his sound since the 80ies, and if you can't enjoy different slyles, you have to choose carefully from his output. But listen to this great song from his Ship of dreams! And in general his studio efforts are much cared for. No need to be harsh, either about his music or his way of getting the funds for his new album. You either like it or not.
Fletch, David's first album is OK and it contains the only MK contribution.
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As for the money target (75k$) think that the first DS album cost 12,500pounds, 40 years ago. If you do the math, you realise it is logical.
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https://youtu.be/YTM509pWFZ4
I have most of his albums ( missed his latest live, small mercies and songs for the siren, hopefully will get them in time) since the very beginning, and I have enjoyed them, some more than others. There have been major changes in his sound since the 80ies, and if you can't enjoy different slyles, you have to choose carefully from his output. But listen to this great song from his Ship of dreams! And in general his studio efforts are much cared for. No need to be harsh, either about his music or his way of getting the funds for his new album. You either like it or not.
Fletch, David's first album is OK and it contains the only MK contribution.
Wow, I really like this song thanks vgonis. Getting the funds for his new album is still pretty strange though.
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As for the money target (75k$) think that the first DS album cost 12,500pounds, 40 years ago. If you do the math, you realise it is logical.
You compare 1970s costs with now however the music industry has changed massively since that time. Artists now may boast of Number 1 records but to reach that pinnacle is significantly easier than a decade or so ago. Record sales are largely down, and self made and self funded records are the way forward - do it yourself, release it yourself and cut the middle man out. There are lots of new artists doing that - I buy their material. Most have day time jobs and manage, with small scale tours in support. Large scale arena and stadium acts are dying out, as are massively expensive albums. Albums rarely make money back - people but tracks on itunes they like, or more likely rip them off the internet for nothing.
If he wants to do this and gets the funding then best of luck to him. However, as others have said, albums can be made with significantly less expenditure. Same goes for session musicians - there's no Hendrix-esque solos screaming out from his albums that may necessitate hiring in musical gurus so the extra expense for more "name" artists seems rather a waste. He should offer them a % cut of the profits in exchange for them doing it free......that would give an indication as to everyone's faith in the material to turn a profit in these evolving musical times.
As I say, best of luck to him but earning £75k from sales just to break even would seem to me to be quite ambitious for him.
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As for the money target (75k$) think that the first DS album cost 12,500pounds, 40 years ago. If you do the math, you realise it is logical.
You compare 1970s costs with now however the music industry has changed massively since that time. Artists now may boast of Number 1 records but to reach that pinnacle is significantly easier than a decade or so ago. Record sales are largely down, and self made and self funded records are the way forward - do it yourself, release it yourself and cut the middle man out. There are lots of new artists doing that - I buy their material. Most have day time jobs and manage, with small scale tours in support. Large scale arena and stadium acts are dying out, as are massively expensive albums. Albums rarely make money back - people but tracks on itunes they like, or more likely rip them off the internet for nothing.
If he wants to do this and gets the funding then best of luck to him. However, as others have said, albums can be made with significantly less expenditure. Same goes for session musicians - there's no Hendrix-esque solos screaming out from his albums that may necessitate hiring in musical gurus so the extra expense for more "name" artists seems rather a waste. He should offer them a % cut of the profits in exchange for them doing it free......that would give an indication as to everyone's faith in the material to turn a profit in these evolving musical times.
As I say, best of luck to him but earning £75k from sales just to break even would seem to me to be quite ambitious for him.
To be fair I also believe in self made-self produced and self distributed records, being the way of the future, but on the other hand, this is more or less what David is doing. The only thing that seems to be troubling most people here, is the 75k$. I am not doing this to defend my original statement, because each of us can put more weight in different factors. After all it is nice to talk about things we like! And pre-selling your record raising the money from the fans is the best way to go! Radiohead did a similar thing with In Rainbows and King of limbs but they were Radiohead after all!
So, 75k$ is a rough estimate really, he will work with what he will raise, either way. And of course more than half of your arguments can work both ways. They don't buy records-they have to fund in different ways. Number 1 records may be easier, but that exactly means fewer sales, less money. And for artists such as David, it is hardly the case, even though it would be nice to have a no1, even with today's fewer sales. The extra musicians- special studios etc have to be paid in advance, because they don't believe in sales, even for successful artists. Studios can offer much better quality than home studios, especially for bigger things. Not all things can be recorded in home-computer studios. Some times "live" studio recordings with many musicians or an orchestra, demand sparse places that a home studio can not provide. Money can give you a sense of security and help you take the extra step, that makes the difference between a solid song and a masterpiece. And a good producer can help a lot. George Martin was considered from many as the fifth Beatle. Think about British Grove a bit. MK could have recorded some of his blues songs in a home studio, to gain from the lo-fi. Blues songs with a rough edge add to the general experience that blues usually convey. Of course MK owns BG, so it is no cost for him to record there, but the attention and detail he gives even to simpler songs, means a lot. Do you know the price per hour for use of the studio? 100 pounds per hour with minimum of two hours, or 299 pounds for 6 hours /in one day. So if the work is to be recorded in 30 days, this is 9000 pounds, only for recording, not mixing, mastering, production fees, musician fees, cover art, CD production, distribution cost, advertisements etc. http://recordproduction.smugmug.com/Music/Recording-Studios/British-Grove-Studios/
I like the rough rock sound, but some things demand bigger productions and a fine producer. Even the first DS album had a proper producer, that got a percentage (foolishly he didn't think much of the album so he lost most of his production pay from American sales!) And many punk groups had a proper producer, amongst them the Clash and the Damned. To push it a bit further, Bob Ezrin and Todd Rundgren were not famous just because of luck. They added greatly to what they touched. And the matter of money solved many of the problems and helped them fulfill their vision that we still enjoy 40 years on. These people also do get paid in advance nowadays. And only the results will prove if the money were well spent. The fact that we imagine what it would be like, or how it could be made, or if deserves 75k$ to be made, is only nice for our discussion, but we are not in David's shoes.
Left for last, is the fact, that you correctly mention, that expensive albums are really hard to do nowadays. Big productions that have to be pre-paid are almost out of the question. But they are done, even for acts that are not in the super league. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elbow_%28band%29 They just made no.1 after 20 years! And their orchestra triumph was 7 years ago!) But, with the technology at hand most of the things that used to cost a lot of money, are at hands reach, for no money at all, or just for copyright. No need to bring in musicians from around the world. Send the track and they will add their piece. No need to invent special FX. They are all there to use and combine. Only thing that seems missing lately is good old inspiration!
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Despite the hype about "bedroom recording" £75k is peanuts for a serious production, even these days.
I kind of feel a bit sorry for DK - he's not a great songwriter by any stretch, but he got royally stiffed by his brother who might have at least let him have one track on each album. He's no Mark Knopfler, but then his best stuff is better than his brother's worst. I could have lived without Les Boys, Follow Me Home or Lions for a token DK song.
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Despite the hype about "bedroom recording" £75k is peanuts for a serious production, even these days.
I kind of feel a bit sorry for DK - he's not a great songwriter by any stretch, but he got royally stiffed by his brother who might have at least let him have one track on each album. He's no Mark Knopfler, but then his best stuff is better than his brother's worst. I could have lived without Les Boys, Follow Me Home or Lions for a token DK song.
I could agree with almost everything, but Follow me home and Lions are amongst my favorite DS songs! Even Les Boys is OK, just unusual for DS and a bit strange on MM.
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Despite the hype about "bedroom recording" £75k is peanuts for a serious production, even these days.
I kind of feel a bit sorry for DK - he's not a great songwriter by any stretch, but he got royally stiffed by his brother who might have at least let him have one track on each album. He's no Mark Knopfler, but then his best stuff is better than his brother's worst. I could have lived without Les Boys, Follow Me Home or Lions for a token DK song.
Oh, man, some of the stinkers Mark has produced.
But in retrospect, Mark was hungry, he was on a roll and (probably pushed by Ed) knew that if he doesn't step on the accelerator big time he may lose his chance. No time for democracy, lenghty band discussions, etc. Humanly speaking Mark's behavior was awful, but I think it was a necessary evil at that time.
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Despite the hype about "bedroom recording" £75k is peanuts for a serious production, even these days.
I kind of feel a bit sorry for DK - he's not a great songwriter by any stretch, but he got royally stiffed by his brother who might have at least let him have one track on each album. He's no Mark Knopfler, but then his best stuff is better than his brother's worst. I could have lived without Les Boys, Follow Me Home or Lions for a token DK song.
Oh, man, some of the stinkers Mark has produced.
But in retrospect, Mark was hungry, he was on a roll and (probably pushed by Ed) knew that if he doesn't step on the accelerator big time he may lose his chance. No time for democracy, lenghty band discussions, etc. Humanly speaking Mark's behavior was awful, but I think it was a necessary evil at that time.
I think Mark's behavior might be seen as awful only because it was his brother who was involved. He stated in a few interviews that DS was just a vehicle for his songs and that is quite obvious. Now let's be honest, Mark probably could have done the same thing with any other similar band, maybe with the exception of Pick Wither who was the only one beside Mark who had something extraordinary. I think John and David were considered because they were there, now I don't mean to say that their membership in the band was Mark's charity or gift but they weren't that important and I think it was clear from the beginning who was calling the shots. After some time, David obviously felt irritated by the exclusion of his songs and constantly taking orders from his brother. In my opinion it was important and a wise marketing decision that Dire Straits would be a Mark Knopfler band because it was obvious what and who got people interested in their music.
In the end I think it was very logical then for David to leave the band and do his own thing. I have listened to his songs and they are good, some I have enjoyed very much. But in my opinion his work just wouldn't fit well with DS even if some of his best songs were better than Mark's worst ones (but I can't think of any). Couple of songs he wrote that we know of while he was in DS were certainly not up to par. He wrote Real Girl I think and What's the Matter With You Baby and both of these songs are listenable because of the guitar work, not because of lyrics. Ed Bicknell was relieved when they didn't include Sacred Loving as he said in some interview. Again even if some of his material was better than Mark's it was still a better marketing decision to go with just one singer/songwriter/master guitarist because if your sales depend only on pure music fans, you won't sell that much records. By "pure music fans" I mean people who will follow a band or artist purely because of music and aren't that much affected by his/hers image in the media or mythology around it.
My opinion: DS needed an image that would sell more, and what better image was there than to portray Mark as an english Dylan with His band who makes all the decisions and so on. Ed Bicknell played a great part in this decision and time has show that it was certainly the right decision to make. Pity about their sad fallout but it happened long after he left the band. It's just my two cents, hope you don't mind the long post.
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Stingcheese=Jackal?Is it you? Welcome back man! Haven't been regular to AMIT, due to the Greek situation and didn't notice your return and new nick!
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Despite the hype about "bedroom recording" £75k is peanuts for a serious production, even these days.
I kind of feel a bit sorry for DK - he's not a great songwriter by any stretch, but he got royally stiffed by his brother who might have at least let him have one track on each album. He's no Mark Knopfler, but then his best stuff is better than his brother's worst. I could have lived without Les Boys, Follow Me Home or Lions for a token DK song.
Oh, man, some of the stinkers Mark has produced.
But in retrospect, Mark was hungry, he was on a roll and (probably pushed by Ed) knew that if he doesn't step on the accelerator big time he may lose his chance. No time for democracy, lenghty band discussions, etc. Humanly speaking Mark's behavior was awful, but I think it was a necessary evil at that time.
This might be the best résumé of this whole monkey business that totally ruined family relationship between DK and MK and for me this is the Saddest part of DS story!!! Money and Ambition are pushing people to do things that have very often heavy consequences!!! Only my point of view!! :wave
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As for the money target (75k$) think that the first DS album cost 12,500pounds, 40 years ago. If you do the math, you realise it is logical.
You compare 1970s costs with now however the music industry has changed massively since that time. Artists now may boast of Number 1 records but to reach that pinnacle is significantly easier than a decade or so ago. Record sales are largely down, and self made and self funded records are the way forward - do it yourself, release it yourself and cut the middle man out. There are lots of new artists doing that - I buy their material. Most have day time jobs and manage, with small scale tours in support. Large scale arena and stadium acts are dying out, as are massively expensive albums. Albums rarely make money back - people but tracks on itunes they like, or more likely rip them off the internet for nothing.
If he wants to do this and gets the funding then best of luck to him. However, as others have said, albums can be made with significantly less expenditure. Same goes for session musicians - there's no Hendrix-esque solos screaming out from his albums that may necessitate hiring in musical gurus so the extra expense for more "name" artists seems rather a waste. He should offer them a % cut of the profits in exchange for them doing it free......that would give an indication as to everyone's faith in the material to turn a profit in these evolving musical times.
As I say, best of luck to him but earning £75k from sales just to break even would seem to me to be quite ambitious for him.
I agree with you Mr Justice.
Having produced and released music myself, the price tag of £75k is simply outlandish when in this day and age a quality studio set up can easily be obtained for relatively little cost. As he says in his bid to get us his cash, he already has a home studio where most of the tunes have been written. If I were to consider putting any money into his project, for me he would need to clearly set out his business plan, outlining costs of studio time, mixing, mastering, pressing and distribution alongside projected sales. He doesn't do this.
However, putting the basic viability of his project aside, what irks me more is that the whole basis for his crowdfunding venture is based upon wanting to produce a quality product, with an air of snobbery about home produced "churned out" music as he terms it. Fine, but he also says that he wants to do this before he goes on tour later this year so he can sell it. I believe he is on tour in October, so that leaves him September to record, mix, master, press, promote and distribute his album. That won't be quality - that will be rushed.
He should take some of his royalties that he undoubtedly earns still from Dire Straits and invest himself. Or call his brother and ask for some studio time before asking us to part for our hard earned cash.
And if you do put your money in, fair dos, that's up to you - but I wouldn't pay £150 for a thank-you.
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Stingcheese=Jackal?Is it you? Welcome back man! Haven't been regular to AMIT, due to the Greek situation and didn't notice your return and new nick!
Yeah, man, thanks. I'm not planning to be as active as I was, but it's nice to stop by once in a while. Wish you best of luck with the situation in your country. Such a mess.
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@the visitor. Hey man, post the address to hear some of your music! Would be lovely to listen to!
As for the 75k$, your points make more sense(especially the timetable), but still we can't be inside the head of the musician and what he wishes to do. And as I see it, you don't have to come up with 150$. Pre-buying his music in CD/vinyl, a CD/vinyl that you would (probably) buy anyway, is a nice way to fund the original cost. Of course I hope he makes it by such fundraising, most, because it would prove the solidarity of his fan base.
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David Knopfler fan base?
Unfortunately for him, seems to be not that large.
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Yes, but he only needs around 1900 people to pre-buy his CD/Vinyl to reach the target. This is not so hard is it? Except if they all come from Greece like me and have trouble sending money abroad.
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I could live a couple of years with this kind of money. So I guess he is targeting the already having.
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On a slightly different note, when are The Straits' original recordings being released?
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On a slightly different note, when are The Straits' original recordings being released?
The Straits don´t exist since more or less last year. Alan Clark and Chris White took veri different ways after that:
Alan Clark has founded a band with some of the musicians involved in The Straits (Andy Treacey, Jamie Squire, Adam Phillips and Jake Newman) and they called themselfs Y-COMPANY and they are recording an EP:
http://www.alanclarkmusic.com/news.html (http://www.alanclarkmusic.com/news.html)
Chris White, together with Terence Reis, OES tour drummer CHRIS WHITTEN, and Micky Feat, with other unknown musicians for me, continued with the band, changing the name into "Dire Straits Experience" and they are still touring:
http://www.direstraits e xperience.com (http://www.direstraits e xperience.com)
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you probably mean
http://www.direstraitspamperience.com
This forum keeps changing what you write if it looks you are talking about S E X, when it recocnizes the three letters together it´s usually changed automatically... it´s not direstraitspamperience but www.direstraits e xperience.com
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It's possible to write the F word and other swear words, but not s e x. That's funny. Strange even. Is it because of spamming?
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I find this hilarious:
ORIGINAL BAND MEMBER CHRIS WHITE AND SIX WORLD CLASS MUSICIANS PERFORM THE MUSIC OF DIRE STRAITS
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funny how on the Chris Whitten Bio on the DS Experience page,
they write "18 month long ‘On Every Street’ world tour with Dire Straits. "
I think it was a little bit shorter :)
Well he did not check before writing but that is not that important : August 23 1991 - 09 October 09 1992 -> 15 months.
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funny how on the Chris Whitten Bio on the DS Experience page,
they write "18 month long ‘On Every Street’ world tour with Dire Straits. "
I think it was a little bit shorter :)
Well he did not check before writing but that is not that important : August 23 1991 - 09 October 09 1992 -> 15 months.
the BIA tour is often quoted as a "2 years tour", while it "only" took one
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I often wonder why so many MK fans despise David.
At least he resurrected this little gem from the Dire Straits debut era. One of the little brothers creations that were so called 'not good enough' for MK / DS. Who said David is not that good of a songwriter ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqRql8vbIPg
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I often wonder why so many MK fans despise David.
At least he resurrected this little gem from the Dire Straits debut era. One of the little brothers creations that were so called 'not good enough' for MK / DS. Who said David is not that good of a songwriter ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqRql8vbIPg
I have the very same question Trawlerman!!! :thumbsup :wave
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I often wonder why so many MK fans despise David.
At least he resurrected this little gem from the Dire Straits debut era. One of the little brothers creations that were so called 'not good enough' for MK / DS. Who said David is not that good of a songwriter ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqRql8vbIPg
I don't despise him, as a matter of fact I think he's a lot of good songs, and the albums are well made. But I struggle with his voice. It's weak, and his singing is constantly bordering on being off key. Plus he's lacking the "x factor" which seperates the great artitst from the ok artists.
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I often wonder why so many MK fans despise David.
At least he resurrected this little gem from the Dire Straits debut era. One of the little brothers creations that were so called 'not good enough' for MK / DS. Who said David is not that good of a songwriter ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqRql8vbIPg
I don't despise him, as a matter of fact I think he's a lot of good songs, and the albums are well made. But I struggle with his voice. It's weak, and his singing is constantly bordering on being off key. Plus he's lacking the "x factor" which seperates the great artitst from the ok artists.
It's his voice that bothers me too, as well as a few other things, but I certainly don't despise him! Having sat immediately in front of him for two hours listening to him in concert, his voice was constantly going off-key and was pretty weak. Not too keen on the gruffiness which he slips into either. If it wasn't for Harry he'd be lost I'm afraid.
BTW Southside Tenements is very nice indeed and I enjoyed it - I would have liked to hear something more like that when I heard him.
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A bit off topis but this is also hilarious:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_lcoj0SZ1k
DS performed with Playback Madonnas Daughter with DK lead vocals, watch at 3:05 how the sax players forgets it ;D
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A bit off topis but this is also hilarious:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_lcoj0SZ1k
DS performed with Playback Madonnas Daughter with DK lead vocals, watch at 3:05 how the sax players forgets it ;D
Yes Peter I watched it one time and I noticed also that they were smiling a lot in the beginning!! I discovered another vid about DK talking about his Brother:
https://youtu.be/81wRj8vKzeU
Have somebody watched this before and if yes what did you thought about what was said on this very interesting interview, specially when DK said that MK needed his little brother for his first albums of DS??
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Yes Peter I watched it one time and I noticed also that they were smiling a lot in the beginning!! I discovered another vid about DK talking about his Brother:
https://youtu.be/81wRj8vKzeU
Have somebody watched this before and if yes what did you thought about what was said on this very interesting interview, specially when DK said that MK needed his little brother for his first albums of DS??
Actually it´s not a video about DK talking about his brother but a BBC special about brothers in rock bands, and this one obviously talks about Knopfler brothers and, as it looks that MK rejected to be part of it, you can see DK, Ed Bicknell, Muff Winwood (DS first album producer) and Bob Harris (BBC Old Grey Whistle Test presenter) talking about it. The fact that MK didn´t want to be in this documentary, makes it looks like it´s DK talking about MK, but the idea was talk about brothers in the rock band Dire Straits.
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yes Jbaent. I understood that it was on DS on the first place but I wonder just why DK had to say what he said. And that goes also for what Ed Bicknell told about the Oh Shut up, that MK said to DK during the recording sessions?? I thought Bicknell was still friend with MK dans in 2005!!
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I thought Bicknell was still friend with MK dans in 2005!!
no I think they "split" around 2000-2002, STP being the last album "with" Ed
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I thought Bicknell was still friend with MK dans in 2005!!
no I think they "split" around 2000-2002, STP being the last album "with" Ed
I did not remember the exact date!! Thanks JF, then it explains why he was so talkative about MK and his little brother!! Before he would not have done it!!
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With all due respect, Marijo, I'm afraid you lump together a range of unrelated issues, such as quaint ways of working of DK, which are discussed here, and ethical implications of some events, that sank into oblivion 30 odd years ago.
How much water flowed under the bridge ever since. All the parties involved in those affairs already went through 'the change of life', and some of them obviously not without loss...
I wonder just why DK had to say what he said.
Just try a google search for 'passive-aggressive behavior', there is plenty of reading on that subject, - and then everything will fall right into place.
And that goes also for what Ed Bicknell told about the Oh Shut up, that MK said to DK during the recording sessions??
Low blow.
MK always suffered from stammering. It was sickening to hear when Bicknell was trying to ape his manner of speaking.
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Sorry Throttle. you can delete my previous post with the link on YouTube of this program on DS in 2005. I understand what you mean!! Have a nice day Everybody!!
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yes Jbaent. I understood that it was on DS on the first place but I wonder just why DK had to say what he said. And that goes also for what Ed Bicknell told about the Oh Shut up, that MK said to DK during the recording sessions?? I thought Bicknell was still friend with MK dans in 2005!!
because the documentary talks about brothers in rock band, and in this case, the brothers are David and Mark, and the logical thing is talk about them, and that´s what happens. David talks about MK and about him, Ed talks about DK and MK, also does Muff Winwood...
Which part of it you don´t get?
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What I don't understand is that why the Medias are always trying to put down famous Rock Band!! It's so obvious that they want always to point out the negative things in being famous and rich and its heavy costs!! That was what I was wondering!! Throttle will be upset soon so I better stop! Thanks.
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Throttle will be upset soon...
It never crossed my mind. Please, keep going.
You probably mixed me up with someone else. :think
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Thanks Throttle!! You're right I must have made a confusion with someone else!! Oups..
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Getting back to the point.
I look at this whole fund-raising campaign and think of that I am totally in the dark about his good deeds.
Can anyone shed the light on that?
Tell me please, does he do something good besides his music? I mean, maybe he is a permanent member of a charitable foundation, or just out of kindness gives support and provides relief to those in need, maybe he is a human/animal rights defender, a blood donor at last?
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Getting back to the point.
I look at this whole fund-raising campaign and think of that I am totally in the dark about his good deeds.
Can anyone shed the light on that?
Tell me please, does he do something good besides his music? I mean, maybe he is a permanent member of a charitable foundation, or just out of kindness gives support and provides relief to those in need, maybe he is a human/animal rights defender, a blood donor at last?
Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition. Amongst our weaponry are such diverse elements as irony, fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, an almost fanatical devotion to MK, and nice DS t-shirts—oh damn!"
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Getting back to the point.
I look at this whole fund-raising campaign and think of that I am totally in the dark about his good deeds.
Can anyone shed the light on that?
Tell me please, does he do something good besides his music? I mean, maybe he is a permanent member of a charitable foundation, or just out of kindness gives support and provides relief to those in need, maybe he is a human/animal rights defender, a blood donor at last?
Yes he does. I´m following him since 1997 more or less reading his site regularly, and following him in facebook and twitter, and you can say he does.
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Yes he does. I´m following him since 1997 more or less reading his site regularly, and following him in facebook and twitter, and you can say he does.
That's fine. Hope his endeavours will be crowned with success.
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Yes he does. I´m following him since 1997 more or less reading his site regularly, and following him in facebook and twitter, and you can say he does.
That's fine. Hope his endeavours will be crowned with success.
I´m more interested in his music than in his private life but it´s always nice to know that people you like his music do what they can to help charities etc etc etc
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As forecasted, only about 17K funded out of 75K
Probably it helps him to not pay all the recording with his own money from the very beguining, expecting to get it back with cd´s sales.
I´m really looking forward to the cd, I like what he does.
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https://www.facebook.com/DavidKnopflerCommunityPage/posts/969687233092579
I don't really understand, this Weekend fb post from his album page suggests the CD Master is finished.
Should I presume he went into debt to record and the 17-75K is to recoup losses?
Is he expecting to sell hardly any copies and therefore the crowd fund is his wage for this work that ordinarily won't make him a penny?
Is the fund for the manufacturing of the product rather than the 'recording'? If so he hasn't mentioned that..
It's none of my business in the end, I didn't donate a cent. It's rather telling that no one took him up on his guitar or songwriting tutorials.
I might crowd source my next single too, so far I think I've made 8 Euros from worldwide sales...
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David has a record label for this album and they underwrote the production costs (around 50k after the indiegogo contributions are included.)
Therefore the finished album will sound exactly as per the pitch.
Let's hope it's a good one.
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Ah thanks for the explanation !
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"I am fundraising for my next studio album and am offering a variety of hopefully interesting and exciting ways you can help me make this record a reality."
Campaign ended on August 31, 2015
Yet on August 29, 2 days before the end of the campaign he announced on FB that the album is ready and already playing the master cd ??????
so zero or 10K or 75K was the same and the album is already done ?????
Also, what about the perk where you had to pay a $2.5k to play an instrument on the album ???
that perk has disappeared.....
man, this is really a farce
The project was picked up by a record company DURING the indiegogo campaign.
They agreed to pay any costs NOT met by the indiegogo project.
Perks were added,changed and withdrawn throughout the campaign,as they are for many of the campaigns on indiegogo.
Nobody had paid for the 2.5k perk so when it was withdrawn NOBODY lost anything.
Don't let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory though:)
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So, do the contributors get their money back? This would seem the decent thing to do.
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No, the perks were either unique or priced lower from the market price, or will be received well before the CD goes to the music shops. I sense a hostility towards DK that I really don't understand. It is how the thing works. If someone doesn't like it he should not be involved and if anyone believes that there is an unethical, illegal or breaking the rules of indiegogo, he should turn into the authorities.
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No, the perks were either unique or priced lower from the market price, or will be received well before the CD goes to the music shops. I sense a hostility towards DK that I really don't understand. It is how the thing works. If someone doesn't like it he should not be involved and if anyone believes that there is an unethical, illegal or breaking the rules of indiegogo, he should turn into the authorities.
Yes lots of silly,hostile comments for no reason.
All people that contributed will get what they paid for so how can that be ridiculous?
Why should they get their money back?They paid for something they will be getting.
It's a shame some people have to moan just for the sake of it.
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And maybe this will go down on our permanent record. All sitting in front of computer screens, with different moods and thoughts, not knowing each other but acting as though we are friends, trying to have a decent and logical conversation. Oh, come on, for God's sake don't you have anything more important to be frustrated about? I know I am. 3.5 million refugees coming from Syria, having lost their homes and lives. And us talking and losing our temper over this. It is ridiculous, isn't it?
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And maybe this will go down on our permanent record. All sitting in front of computer screens, with different moods and thoughts, not knowing each other but acting as though we are friends, trying to have a decent and logical conversation. Oh, come on, for God's sake don't you have anything more important to be frustrated about? I know I am. 3.5 million refugees coming from Syria, having lost their homes and lives. And us talking and losing our temper over this. It is ridiculous, isn't it?
Yes.
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And maybe this will go down on our permanent record. All sitting in front of computer screens, with different moods and thoughts, not knowing each other but acting as though we are friends, trying to have a decent and logical conversation. Oh, come on, for God's sake don't you have anything more important to be frustrated about? I know I am. 3.5 million refugees coming from Syria, having lost their homes and lives. And us talking and losing our temper over this. It is ridiculous, isn't it?
Totally agree with you vgonis!!! :thumbsup :wave
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With all respect Pensaboy, I don't think I've ever come across a more negative person than you.
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No, the perks were either unique or priced lower from the market price, or will be received well before the CD goes to the music shops. I sense a hostility towards DK that I really don't understand. It is how the thing works. If someone doesn't like it he should not be involved and if anyone believes that there is an unethical, illegal or breaking the rules of indiegogo, he should turn into the authorities.
Yes lots of silly,hostile comments for no reason.
All people that contributed will get what they paid for so how can that be ridiculous?
Why should they get their money back?They paid for something they will be getting.
It's a shame some people have to moan just for the sake of it.
DK deceiving fans... that's plenty of reason
the shame here is that you insult other users, I am reporting you
Oh dear!
Perhaps it would be better if you stopped posting on this thread as you are adding nothing constructive.
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No, the perks were either unique or priced lower from the market price, or will be received well before the CD goes to the music shops. I sense a hostility towards DK that I really don't understand. It is how the thing works. If someone doesn't like it he should not be involved and if anyone believes that there is an unethical, illegal or breaking the rules of indiegogo, he should turn into the authorities.
Yes lots of silly,hostile comments for no reason.
All people that contributed will get what they paid for so how can that be ridiculous?
Why should they get their money back?They paid for something they will be getting.
It's a shame some people have to moan just for the sake of it.
DK deceiving fans... that's plenty of reason
the shame here is that you insult other users, I am reporting you
what insults? i may have missed something, pls help me if so, but until here i read no insults.
yo do not believe David did the crowdfunding for honest purposes, other people do, which leads to a discussion. end of story.
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and that is the end of this silly discussion besides the point. continue within the contest or that'll be it.
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With all respect Pensaboy, I don't think I've ever come across a more negative person than you.
Why exactly ?
David K deceived fans and I simply stated that's ridiculous, if you don't agree with me you are free to like deceivers.
I´m a fan and I am NOT deceived, I paid in advance to get the cd, and when it´s released, I will get it, so, why should I be deceived?
Every perk had something in exchange, and everyone will get it, so... deceived? why?
I also feel that hostility for anything that it´s not MK... not only about David, and I don´t get it.
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No, the perks were either unique or priced lower from the market price, or will be received well before the CD goes to the music shops. I sense a hostility towards DK that I really don't understand. It is how the thing works. If someone doesn't like it he should not be involved and if anyone believes that there is an unethical, illegal or breaking the rules of indiegogo, he should turn into the authorities.
Yes lots of silly,hostile comments for no reason.
All people that contributed will get what they paid for so how can that be ridiculous?
Why should they get their money back?They paid for something they will be getting.
It's a shame some people have to moan just for the sake of it.
They should get their money back because their money wasn't used to pay for it's recording. That is the assumption they were under when they payed their money. I just think that's morally wrong.
So what is happening with this collected money? Is David buying a sports car? :lol
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Hey dmg, don't rub salt on the wounds. A record company agreed to give the rest of the money up to the 75k. So actually the money were used for the cause they were collected for.
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Hey dmg, don't rub salt on the wounds. A record company agreed to give the rest of the money up to the 75k. So actually the money were used for the cause they were collected for.
Ah, I must have missed a couple of posts somewhere. I suppose that's okay then.
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No, the perks were either unique or priced lower from the market price, or will be received well before the CD goes to the music shops. I sense a hostility towards DK that I really don't understand. It is how the thing works. If someone doesn't like it he should not be involved and if anyone believes that there is an unethical, illegal or breaking the rules of indiegogo, he should turn into the authorities.
Yes lots of silly,hostile comments for no reason.
All people that contributed will get what they paid for so how can that be ridiculous?
Why should they get their money back?They paid for something they will be getting.
It's a shame some people have to moan just for the sake of it.
They should get their money back because their money wasn't used to pay for it's recording. That is the assumption they were under when they payed their money. I just think that's morally wrong.
So what is happening with this collected money? Is David buying a sports car? :lol
I paid a perk consisting in receiving his next cd when released. I don´t mind if he used the money to buy a hamburger that day as long as he sends me the cd which is what for I had paid ;D
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Well I don't 'feel' hostility, but it was rather confusing. Only in the sense that a cursory glance gave the impression that these funds would actually pay for the recording to start. Obviously I got the detail wrong and it appears a company stepped in, although I didn't notice that mentioned as part of the public campaign. I do recall that the fund raiser said all funds collected would be kept even if the goal was not reached, unlike other crowd funded site deals, so that was clear. The confusing part for me also, is if the record company thing was public knowledge would people have still donated 'extra' knowing it was no longer a vital necessity to the project? - receiving pre-order CDs and albums seems like a fair deal.
There are much bigger problems with the world right now, true.
I am curious to hear how a modern Bernadette will sound. :)
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Sorry for being off topic, but as it concerns David, I thought it might be relevant to post i here :
on Ingo's article about the honky tok demos, one sentence struck me :
"While it seems that Mark played all three electric guitars on the album version, the right rhythm guitar here should be David’s."
http://www.mk-guitar.com/2015/06/30/some-notes-on-the-dire-straits-honky-tonk-demos-released-on-vinyl-single-on-record-store-day-2015/ (http://www.mk-guitar.com/2015/06/30/some-notes-on-the-dire-straits-honky-tonk-demos-released-on-vinyl-single-on-record-store-day-2015/)
Ingo's argument is that both rhythm guitars sound very much the same style, the MK rhythm style.
Of course we will never be 100% sure, but if it is the case, can you imagine what could be going in David's mind ? At the time, and even still today ?
the first DS'hit, the only song from 2 first albums that Mark continues to play even in 2015, the iconic song from DS early days, and even from DS entire career, maybe THE song from Mark's entire career, well on this song David doesn't play !
it means that since the very beginning, David was left out by his brother.
of course, nothing new here. But after ditched sacred loving, Bernadette, etc... Mark decided that david's playing wasn't good enough to feature on the song that made them famous, that made them sign with phonogram, that was their emblematic song...
a little like : "no, David, for this song I prefer you do not play on it. Let me play all guitars..." ouch !
I think it's very harsh imho and regardless any other aspect of David's life, attitude, words, actions etc... I think he deserves a little compassion imho
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Sorry for being off topic, but as it concerns David, I thought it might be relevant to post i here :
on Ingo's article about the honky tok demos, one sentence struck me :
"While it seems that Mark played all three electric guitars on the album version, the right rhythm guitar here should be David’s."
http://www.mk-guitar.com/2015/06/30/some-notes-on-the-dire-straits-honky-tonk-demos-released-on-vinyl-single-on-record-store-day-2015/ (http://www.mk-guitar.com/2015/06/30/some-notes-on-the-dire-straits-honky-tonk-demos-released-on-vinyl-single-on-record-store-day-2015/)
Ingo's argument is that both rhythm guitars sound very much the same style, the MK rhythm style.
Of course we will never be 100% sure, but if it is the case, can you imagine what could be going in David's mind ? At the time, and even still today ?
the first DS'hit, the only song from 2 first albums that Mark continues to play even in 2015, the iconic song from DS early days, and even from DS entire career, maybe THE song from Mark's entire career, well on this song David doesn't play !
it means that since the very beginning, David was left out by his brother.
of course, nothing new here. But after ditched sacred loving, Bernadette, etc... Mark decided that david's playing wasn't good enough to feature on the song that made them famous, that made them sign with phonogram, that was their emblematic song...
a little like : "no, David, for this song I prefer you do not play on it. Let me play all guitars..." ouch !
I think it's very harsh imho and regardless any other aspect of David's life, attitude, words, actions etc... I think he deserves a little compassion imho
That's what I have always thought JF and I still feel sorry for DK because he is a Musician himself not only the brother of a famous and very successful Musician!! I admire MK and I understand that he wanted badly to succeed but I think as he said himself that he became too obsessed by his songs and that made him blind and death!! But I shared already this opinion before!! :wave
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The songs turned out well, didn't they? Perhaps David was professional about it and doesn't mind. ???
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I think he deserves a little compassion imho
Any man deserves. Even whoever keeps his mouth shut to avoid pinning labels.
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Hi all,
Coincidentally, I've just come across this video on YT, which I had never seen nor even heard of. Nice line-up, incl. Terry Williams on the drums, dull playback though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_lcoj0SZ1k
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Just listened to a few samples. I wonder, what do you say to that?
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/davidknopfler4 (http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/davidknopfler4)
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Just listened to a few samples. I wonder, what do you say to that?
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/davidknopfler4 (http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/davidknopfler4)
Thanks Throttle for the link!! I listened to a couple of songs and I won't buy it!! I have not found something that made me say Wow!! It's not bad but I don't really like :wave, that's all!! Hope he will sell as many as possible!! :wave
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The songs are all pretty much similar to each other - there is nothing that stands out above the rest. Individually, the songs may be OK , but listening to a whole album of them together would be really boring. David's voice is off-key a lot of the time too - in fact I don't like his voice much at all. One good thing I noticed is the piano - very nice!
Thank you Throttle! :)
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The songs are all pretty much similar to each other - there is nothing that stands out above the rest. Individually, the songs may be OK , but listening to a whole album of them together would be really boring. David's voice is off-key a lot of the time too - in fact I don't like his voice much at all. One good thing I noticed is the piano - very nice!
Thank you Throttle! :)
I agree that the songs sound mostly quite similar, although it is hard to tell with just samples. They have enough pace to keep you listening and stop you falling asleep - unlike Tracker!!!
I think David's voice is quite nice too. It has that inherent roughness, yet he still sings with plenty expression instead of the dull and lifeless vocal his brother has adopted.
I wish Mark would listen to this and adopt some of David's ideas into how to make an album (not the crowd funding part, obviously ;)) because his recent efforts have been so dull. This recent effort from David with some of Mark's touches could be very nice indeed.
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The songs are all pretty much similar to each other - there is nothing that stands out above the rest. Individually, the songs may be OK , but listening to a whole album of them together would be really boring. David's voice is off-key a lot of the time too - in fact I don't like his voice much at all. One good thing I noticed is the piano - very nice!
Thank you Throttle! :)
I agree that the songs sound mostly quite similar, although it is hard to tell with just samples. They have enough pace to keep you listening and stop you falling asleep - unlike Tracker!!!
Really? I was almost comatose before I was half-way through! Would you have been so enthusiastic about it if Mark had made this album?
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The songs are all pretty much similar to each other - there is nothing that stands out above the rest. Individually, the songs may be OK , but listening to a whole album of them together would be really boring. David's voice is off-key a lot of the time too - in fact I don't like his voice much at all. One good thing I noticed is the piano - very nice!
Thank you Throttle! :)
I agree that the songs sound mostly quite similar, although it is hard to tell with just samples. They have enough pace to keep you listening and stop you falling asleep - unlike Tracker!!!
Really? I was almost comatose before I was half-way through! Would you have been so enthusiastic about it if Mark had made this album?
I try to be unbiased and give a fair opinion about everything. Of course, I like Tracker when I first heard it too! That's partly why I made my final comment saying that if Mark had made this album with his touches then it could be very nice. I'd certainly love to hear Mark's albums have as much pace in them again and Mark start putting as much effort into his vocal. A vocal like David gave certainly gives the song a lot of energy but Mark just sends me to sleep these days and sounds totally uninterested in singing.
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The songs are all pretty much similar to each other - there is nothing that stands out above the rest. Individually, the songs may be OK , but listening to a whole album of them together would be really boring. David's voice is off-key a lot of the time too - in fact I don't like his voice much at all. One good thing I noticed is the piano - very nice!
Thank you Throttle! :)
I agree that the songs sound mostly quite similar, although it is hard to tell with just samples. They have enough pace to keep you listening and stop you falling asleep - unlike Tracker!!!
Really? I was almost comatose before I was half-way through! Would you have been so enthusiastic about it if Mark had made this album?
I try to be unbiased and give a fair opinion about everything. Of course, I like Tracker when I first heard it too! That's partly why I made my final comment saying that if Mark had made this album with his touches then it could be very nice. I'd certainly love to hear Mark's albums have as much pace in them again and Mark start putting as much effort into his vocal. A vocal like David gave certainly gives the song a lot of energy but Mark just sends me to sleep these days and sounds totally uninterested in singing.
Dear dmg, I like you a lot and I began to think we were beginning to agree on some things but, now, without a doubt our taste in music is obviously poles apart! There is no hope for you now - you will just have to migrate to the DK fan-club forthwith! I won't be joining you there btw! ;D
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Dear dmg, I like you a lot and I began to think we were beginning to agree on some things but, now, without a doubt our taste in music is obviously poles apart! There is no hope for you now - you will just have to migrate to the DK fan-club forthwith! I won't be joining you there btw! ;D
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DK has a fan club? I'll bet they convene in a phone box, right?
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Dear dmg, I like you a lot and I began to think we were beginning to agree on some things but, now, without a doubt our taste in music is obviously poles apart! There is no hope for you now - you will just have to migrate to the DK fan-club forthwith! I won't be joining you there btw! ;D
DK has a fan club? I'll bet they convene in a phone box, right?
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Thanks a lot Val and dmg!! I had a good laugh reading your comments this evening!!! LOL, I like the idea of DKs fans in a phone box!!! :thumbsup :wave
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Old post, not a comment since last year, I'm bringing it back because I've just received Grace last week. And, as far as I am sypathetic to David and his struggle to keep on with his career, I think this CD is more of the same. In my opinion, he did a great jog in the trilogy The giver, Small mercies and Wishbones, from 1993 to 2001, and had some good stuff in Lifelines and Ship of dreams. But everything from this new effort sounds very alike, within the album and regarding to the other releases.
Also, I was not part on the crowdfunding, and actually the cd cost me less than if I had contributed on it.
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It is very good that you offer.
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I am a bit surprised that DK has to humiliate himself by these "creative" ways of earning money. I mean skype? Songwriting tutorials? And offering people to put their names on his CD in exchange for money?
I always thought everyone in DS got economical independence? DK played for 3 years so he must have had some money.
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I came across an interview with DK from Guitar Exchange, it mentions some of his guitars. A passage about MK too: “I never saw it as a horse race, I didn't think I was as good as I actually was, I did have a bit of trouble hanging onto my brother's coat tails who had a more than rare talent - but I was good - and I’m still learning.”
http://guitarsexchange.com/en/unplugged/129/david-knopfler/?utm_content=bufferac178&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
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I came across an interview with DK from Guitar Exchange, it mentions some of his guitars. A passage about MK too: “I never saw it as a horse race, I didn't think I was as good as I actually was, I did have a bit of trouble hanging onto my brother's coat tails who had a more than rare talent - but I was good - and I’m still learning.”
http://guitarspamchange.com/en/unplugged/129/david-knopfler/?utm_content=bufferac178&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Yes I had a look on this interesting interview. DK is still talking about his older brother in the magazines!!
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in the link, the guitars and exchange combination forms the word s.e.x and is therefore exchanged with "spam" just replace it again when trying the link
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I don't how good he's as a guitar player but while in Dire Straits I though he was doing the job.