A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Marijo58 on November 18, 2015, 07:05:54 PM
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Do you know if MK has made some public comments on the tragics events in Paris last friday? If yes where can we find it? Thanks.
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He might, although he is less vocal than others on such events.
U2 had two concerts cancelled in Paris, they went to Bataclan instead to pay respect to the victims... But it"s more Bono's kind of things.
Would be intersting to see if Roger Waters reacts...
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Eric Clapton probably made another public comment saying Enoch Powell was still right.
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Eric Clapton probably made another public comment saying Enoch Powell was still right.
Who?
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enoch_Powell
Allegedly Clapton made this speech at a gig in the 70s. I wasn't there so I can't say for certin.
WARNING: CONTAINS CONTENT LIKELY TO OFFEND
Do we have any foreigners in the audience tonight? If so, please put up your hands. Wogs I mean, I'm looking at you. Where are you? I'm sorry but some fucking wog...Arab grabbed my wife's bum, you know? Surely got to be said, yeah this is what all the fucking foreigners and wogs over here are like, just disgusting, that's just the truth, yeah. So where are you? Well wherever you all are, I think you should all just leave. Not just leave the hall, leave our country. You fucking (indecipherable). I don't want you here, in the room or in my country. Listen to me, man! I think we should vote for Enoch Powell. Enoch's our man. I think Enoch's right, I think we should send them all back. Stop Britain from becoming a black colony. Get the foreigners out. Get the wogs out. Get the coons out. Keep Britain white. I used to be into dope, now I'm into racism. It's much heavier, man. Fucking wogs, man. Fucking Saudis taking over London. Bastard wogs. Britain is becoming overcrowded and Enoch will stop it and send them all back. The black wogs and coons and Arabs and fucking Jamaicans and fucking (indecipherable) don't belong here, we don't want them here. This is England, this is a white country, we don't want any black wogs and coons living here. We need to make clear to them they are not welcome. England is for white people, man. We are a white country. I don't want fucking wogs living next to me with their standards. This is Great Britain, a white country, what is happening to us, for fuck's sake? We need to vote for Enoch Powell, he's a great man, speaking truth. Vote for Enoch, he's our man, he's on our side, he'll look after us. I want all of you here to vote for Enoch, support him, he's on our side. Enoch for Prime Minister! Throw the wogs out! Keep Britain white!
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Eric_Clapton
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Curious how that comes back again, without mention that Clapton was drunk and stoned for years and years in that period, and he's a very different man since he quit drugs and alcohol.
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This guy says it better than I could.
http://rockaliser.blogspot.co.uk/2010/12/eric-claptons-evil-speech.html
He may have been drunk but he has never apologised and has instead tried to justify his comments.
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Easy Clapton bashing and put this old unglorious story out of context.
BTW wasn't no other than Mark Knopfler himself that did bring EC at the Mandela Show as he was not invited by the promoter to perfom?
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Fine, please put the story in context then, would love to hear it.
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in his auto biog he states the remarks were "drunken...never meant to be a racial statement.. more of an attack on the governments policies on cheap labour.." He also gives two incident excuses by which he explains the outburst, and says he has since learnt to keep his opinions to himself. But you're right, I can`t see an apology anywhere.
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Blimey, genuinely shocked, I've never seen that before. Speechless.
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Me neither. Glad I don't even have to TRY to reconcile that with someone I admire.
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I believe it was in Birmingham and the local authorities banned him from performing there for many years afterwards.
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I believe it was in Birmingham and the local authorities banned him from performing there for many years afterwards.
This happened at the Odeon Theatre Birmingham, West Midlands - 5 August 1976.
Now can anybody explain me why someone of the like of Mark Knopfler did in the eighties extensively share the stage with that "presumed racist", or coloured musicians accepted to play with him? We have to assume that EC can't be be reduced to to that shocking and reprehensible incident?
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Yeah, EC had been on a heroin spree for a coupe of years before that and then constantly drunk for 6 years when he said those things. Some people say that only drunk people tell the truth, but I've never bought into that.
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Blimey, genuinely shocked, I've never seen that before. Speechless.
Same here, I am shocked. I would never have thought he said those things. Drugs and alcohol hhmm. He has always used black people in his band. Has he not (?)
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I believe it was in Birmingham and the local authorities banned him from performing there for many years afterwards.
This happened at the Odeon Theatre Birmingham, West Midlands - 5 August 1976.
Now can anybody explain me why someone of the like of Mark Knopfler did in the eighties extensively share the stage with that "presumed racist", or coloured musicians accepted to play with him? We have to assume that EC can't be be reduced to to that shocking and reprehensible incident?
We all make mistakes - and hopefully, we learn from them. I am assuming that EC at some point realized that both his thinking and his actions were wrong.
That MK shared the stage with him and remained his friend after all this, just goes to show that there is a place for forgiveness and understanding, and that we should not be nullified by mistakes we made.
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I believe it was in Birmingham and the local authorities banned him from performing there for many years afterwards.
This happened at the Odeon Theatre Birmingham, West Midlands - 5 August 1976.
Now can anybody explain me why someone of the like of Mark Knopfler did in the eighties extensively share the stage with that "presumed racist", or coloured musicians accepted to play with him? We have to assume that EC can't be be reduced to to that shocking and reprehensible incident?
We all make mistakes - and hopefully, we learn from them. I am assuming that EC at some point realized that both his thinking and his actions were wrong.
That MK shared the stage with him and remained his friend after all this, just goes to show that there is a place for forgiveness and understanding, and that we should not be nullified by mistakes we made.
In my opinion before forgiveness is given remorse should be shown.
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I believe it was in Birmingham and the local authorities banned him from performing there for many years afterwards.
This happened at the Odeon Theatre Birmingham, West Midlands - 5 August 1976.
Now can anybody explain me why someone of the like of Mark Knopfler did in the eighties extensively share the stage with that "presumed racist", or coloured musicians accepted to play with him? We have to assume that EC can't be be reduced to to that shocking and reprehensible incident?
We all make mistakes - and hopefully, we learn from them. I am assuming that EC at some point realized that both his thinking and his actions were wrong.
That MK shared the stage with him and remained his friend after all this, just goes to show that there is a place for forgiveness and understanding, and that we should not be nullified by mistakes we made.
In my opinion before forgiveness is given remorse should be shown.
Agreed. I suppose I was being Pollyannaish again... I couldn't imagine that MK could ignore what EC said. And I was hoping that MK was aware of some remorse that we are not. However, after having re-read this thread, and in particular fletch's post:
"in his auto biog he states the remarks were "drunken...never meant to be a racial statement.. more of an attack on the governments policies on cheap labour.." He also gives two incident excuses by which he explains the outburst, and says he has since learnt to keep his opinions to himself. But you're right, I can`t see an apology anywhere."
I am inclined to think that there may not have been any true remorse. :disbelief
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Blimey, genuinely shocked, I've never seen that before. Speechless.
Same here, I am shocked. I would never have thought he said those things. Drugs and alcohol hhmm. He has always used black people in his band. Has he not (?)
No, first colored members in his band were in 1986 with Nathan East on Bass and Greg Phillinganes on Keyboards.
At the time of the incident EC was only on alcohol, the years of drugs abuse were already behind him.
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I believe it was in Birmingham and the local authorities banned him from performing there for many years afterwards.
This happened at the Odeon Theatre Birmingham, West Midlands - 5 August 1976.
Now can anybody explain me why someone of the like of Mark Knopfler did in the eighties extensively share the stage with that "presumed racist", or coloured musicians accepted to play with him? We have to assume that EC can't be be reduced to to that shocking and reprehensible incident?
We all make mistakes - and hopefully, we learn from them. I am assuming that EC at some point realized that both his thinking and his actions were wrong.
That MK shared the stage with him and remained his friend after all this, just goes to show that there is a place for forgiveness and understanding, and that we should not be nullified by mistakes we made.
In my opinion before forgiveness is given remorse should be shown.
Agreed. I suppose I was being Pollyannaish again... I couldn't imagine that MK could ignore what EC said. And I was hoping that MK was aware of some remorse that we are not. However, after having re-read this thread, and in particular fletch's post:
"in his auto biog he states the remarks were "drunken...never meant to be a racial statement.. more of an attack on the governments policies on cheap labour.." He also gives two incident excuses by which he explains the outburst, and says he has since learnt to keep his opinions to himself. But you're right, I can`t see an apology anywhere."
I am inclined to think that there may not have been any true remorse. :disbelief
EC has been back on this incident at least once in an interview, explaining its though on the subject and thus going further than just the "I was drunk" common justification. I have not this interview but it was available on the net some time ago.
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The EC racist subject has come up in AMIT before, from a new member, again in a completely unrelated subject, so I can't trace it now. Although the speech itself is "alleged" because there is no actual recording, Clapton never denied the fact that there was such a speech. I also posted this video back then, https://youtu.be/J4f1OF1zpIU . He explains quite clearly what he thinks (thought, anyway). And I also believe that, that generation of people, were not racists in the way we characterize people today. National characteristics were stronger and deeply planted in the minds and hearts of people. We judge them with our own current criteria, while they are coming from another age.
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Quite shocking that he laughs about the whole thing while trying to justify it.
A great musician yes but not too clever going by that interview. A lot of muddled thinking and contradictions there.
I bought his book. It was very boring, especially after he got sober.
But I still like some of his music, don't want to sound like I have something against him. However I don't think we should just brush this side of him under the carpet.
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Quite shocking that he laughs about the whole thing while trying to justify it.
A lot of muddled thinking and contradictions there.
However I don't think we should just brush this side of him under the carpet.
Well you can tell that he takes it lightly, either because he doesn't think it is serious, or because he doesn't see the point of view of the other side.
Forgive but never forget is the right thing to do. Because if you forget you will be fooled again and then the mistake will be only yours!
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However I don't think we should just brush this side of him under the carpet.
Of course we should not but the thing that really disturbs me is when used out of context for easy EC bashing. And I think it was when used in relation with last week Paris events.
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All said and done I still love his unplugged album, and when I saw him in Hyde Park in 2007 he was incredible. Much more rocking than MK.
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For all we know, maybe MK shares the same view as EC on immigration. It is not that unusual for people growing up in all white societies and seeing the changes, even though EC's ramblings were quite too much
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:'(
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For all we know, maybe MK shares the same view as EC on immigration. It is not that unusual for people growing up in all white societies and seeing the changes, even though EC's ramblings were quite too much
How do you know that? A right-wing Republican friend of me said always MK is left-wing and gives him the SF feeling.
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For all we know, maybe MK shares the same view as EC on immigration. It is not that unusual for people growing up in all white societies and seeing the changes, even though EC's ramblings were quite too much
Given that Mark's father was an immigrant, I suspect that he is pretty sympathetic towards other immigrants.
Besides, consider his songs, particularly "Balony Again". He certainly shows a lot of empathy with those who are on the margins of society.
I would be shocked if MK shared those views.
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Their is an interview with a newspaper a few years ago where he says he isnt a socialist. He also talks about money and not wanting to but a yacht with it.
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He lives in Britain with relatively high taxes unlike others who move to Switzerland (step forward Phil Collins) and reads The Guardian (left wing paper) and turned up his nose at a journalist's copy of The Times (right wing paper owned by Rupert Murdoch). He wrote songs like Iron Hand and Why Aye Man that were critical of Thatcher's right wing government. Although he doesn't discuss politics you really don't have to be a genius to work out which way he leans.
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I remember him saying some time ago that his family were inclined to be left-wing and that he read the Guardian, but more recently I read an interview with him and he said that these days he was more in the middle and read both the Guardian and the Telegraph and then made his own mind up.
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Blimey, genuinely shocked, I've never seen that before. Speechless.
Same here, almost as shocked as last friday night when I heard the news on Paris Attacks. Thanks for your answers tl my post.. I'm deep in following this mess we're in that I forgot to see if there were something going on AMIT!!!
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I believe it was in Birmingham and the local authorities banned him from performing there for many years afterwards.
This happened at the Odeon Theatre Birmingham, West Midlands - 5 August 1976.
Now can anybody explain me why someone of the like of Mark Knopfler did in the eighties extensively share the stage with that "presumed racist", or coloured musicians accepted to play with him? We have to assume that EC can't be be reduced to to that shocking and reprehensible incident?
Good question ds1984!
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Left or right? Divide et impera!